7.E. Reduced ballot language for Proposition A (Citizen initiated petition election called for November 2024 regarding Sanctuary City for the Unborn) and Proposition D (Mayor and city council recall process)

[7.E. Reduced ballot language for Proposition A (Citizen initiated petition election called for November 2024 regarding Sanctuary City for the Unborn) and Proposition D (Mayor and city council recall process)]

SO THIS IS OUR BALLOT LANGUAGE PROP A PRESENTATION ON THE LENGTH OF THIS GUY, AND SO WHEN MISS CITY SECRETARY GETS OUT HERE, SHE CAN TELL

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US WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST AND WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

LET ME PULL THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

SO LAST WEEK, OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS FOR BOTH POTTER AND RANDALL COUNTIES REACHED OUT TO US WITH SOME CONCERNS THEY HAD ON THE LENGTH OF BALLOT LANGUAGE FOR PROPOSITION A, WHICH IS THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN.

BALLOT ITEM, AND FOR PROPOSITION D, WHICH IS THE RECALL MEASURE ON YOUR CHARTER AMENDMENT.

ELECTION ORDINANCE.

THOSE IN THEIR CURRENT STATE WITH THE LENGTH THAT THEY ARE, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIT THEM INTO THE TRADITIONAL 2 OR 3 COLUMN BALLOT, AND SO THEY'VE SHARED SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS WITH WITH US AND WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THOSE, AND I WANT TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU TODAY.

SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE'RE SITTING AT HERE.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE EXPERIENCED BEFORE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE IN THE TIME THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND THE TIME WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS.

WE'VE NEVER HAD LANGUAGE THIS LONG.

SO, AS CURRENTLY APPROVED, THE EXTREMELY LONG TEXT OF BOTH OF THESE PROPOSITIONS WILL NOT FIT ON A TRADITIONAL 2 OR 3 COLUMN PAPER BALLOT.

THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS NOT MADE TO LET SOMETHING WRAP FROM ONE COLUMN TO THE NEXT, OR ONE PAGE TO THE NEXT, AND SO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT FIT IN ONE COLUMN, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN TO A FOUR POINT FONT, WHICH THEY SENT US A SAMPLE TO LOOK AT, AND IT'S NOT LEGIBLE.

I MEAN, ANYBODY THAT CAN READ THAT HAS FAR BEYOND 2020 VISION.

SO AN ALTERNATIVE WE DISCUSSED WAS MOVING IT FROM 2 OR 3 COLUMNS DOWN TO ONE COLUMN.

THAT'S VERY INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COUNTIES TYPICALLY DO ON THAT 2 OR 3 COLUMN BALLOT, AND IN DOING THAT, IT WOULD CAUSE THE SIZE OF THE PAPER BALLOT SPECIFICALLY TO GO UP. IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 7 PAGES BEFORE THEY EVEN GET CANDIDATE NAMES ON THEIR RACES, AND SO ONE THING THAT THEY SAID IN THEIR EXPERIENCE IS EXPERIENCES.

THE LONGER THE BALLOT, THEY DON'T GET ALL THE PAGES BACK.

SO MANY TIMES IN THEIR EXPERIENCE, VOTERS MAY RETURN THE FIRST PAGE OR THE LAST PAGE, AND THEY WOULDN'T GET FULL PAGES BACK.

THERE WOULD ALSO BE AN INCREASED COST IN PRINTING AND POSTAGE FOR THOSE BALLOTS, AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, THEY HAD CONCERNS THAT WHEN VOTERS MAILED THE BALLOT BACK, IF IT TAKES EXTRA POSTAGE, IT MIGHT BE RETURNED TO SENDER AND IT MIGHT NOT GET BACK TO THEM IN TIME TO BE COUNTED.

SO IN-PERSON VOTERS WILL HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN ON THE SCREEN MORE THAN ONCE TO SEE THE ENTIRE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.

THEY'RE CONCERNED. IF SOMEONE'S DOING THAT, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO READ IT.

THEY MAY JUST HIT THE SKIP BUTTON AND THEN LATER COME BACK AND REALIZE, WAIT, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET TO VOTE ON THAT.

SO THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS HAD SHARED WITH US IN THEIR EXPERIENCE.

THEY ALSO SAID THE LONGER THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, THE LONGER THE WAIT LINES, THE LONGER IT TAKES PEOPLE TO USE THE MACHINES, AND THAT CAN ADD STRESS TO WHAT'S ALREADY A STRESSFUL SITUATION FOR YOUR POLL WORKERS AND VOTERS ON AN ELECTION DAY.

SO TO REMEDY THESE CONCERNS, WE'RE HERE WITH YOU TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME REVISED BALLOT LANGUAGE THAT CONDENSES DOWN WHAT YOU HAVE.

ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SHARE ON THIS, AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO BRYAN TO CORRECT ME IF I SAY THIS WRONG, BUT WE SEE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS ON THE BALLOTS ALL THE TIME FOR THE STATE AND SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS MAY BE 2 TO 3 PAGES LONG, BUT THEY CONDENSE THEM DOWN INTO A FEW SENTENCES, AND WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY DO THAT IS EACH OF THE COUNTIES PUTS THE FULL TEXT ON THEIR WEBSITE, AND THEY ALSO HAVE THAT FULL TEXT AVAILABLE AT EVERY POLLING LOCATION, AND SO IF WE CONDENSE OUR LANGUAGE TODAY, WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING IS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE THE COUNTIES WOULD POST THE FULL ORDINANCE AND THE FULL MEASURE ON THEIR WEBSITES FOR US, WE WOULD HAVE COPIES PRINTED TO PUT OUT AT EACH POLLING LOCATION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THOSE WHEN THEY COME IN, AND THEN WE WOULD OF COURSE HAVE THAT ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THE FULL ORDINANCE, THE FULL INFORMATION, THE FULL MEASURE ON THE PROPOSITION D FOR RECALL AND HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAT WAY.

SO WITH THAT BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS, FOR OPERATIONAL REASONS, WE ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO REDUCE YOUR BALLOT LANGUAGE DOWN ON THESE TWO PROPOSITIONS.

FOR PROPOSITION A, THIS IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, AND THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED, AND I WOULD LET BRYAN HIT ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS WAS MADE AND REDUCED DOWN FROM THAT ORIGINAL ONE.

I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD TO READ ON THIS.

WE CAN FIT THIS ON ONE COLUMN OF A BALLOT AT AN EIGHT POINT FONT, AND SO WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS THAT IS DOABLE.

WE'VE VETTED THAT AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT WOULD BE IN A TEN POINT FONT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSITION WOULD BE JUST A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, AND SO THIS ONE WE FELT WAS A GOOD OPTION TO BRING TO COUNCIL TO HOPEFULLY STILL CONVEY EVERYTHING IN THAT ORDINANCE THAT YOU WANT TO CONVEY WITH TAKING A FEW THINGS OUT, AND I WOULD LEAN OVER TO BRYAN AT

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THIS TIME TO SAY ANYTHING I SHOULD SHARE ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE.

NO, I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT ON.

I NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THOUGH.

I CAN DO THAT. IS IT A WORD COUNT ISSUE? I GUESS SO IT'S.

I MEAN, COULD YOU. IT IS, BUT IT'S NOT.

WE CAN'T GO WITH JUST A CHARACTER COUNT, AND WE DID ASK BOTH OF OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS THIS, AND ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY TOOK THE EXTRA STEP TO REACH OUT TO THEIR VENDOR TO SAY, WHAT IS A CHARACTER COUNT? WHAT IS THE WORD COUNT? BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE WORDS AND WHERE THEY WRAP, AND SO THEY COULDN'T GIVE US A, HEY, YOU HAVE THIS MANY CHARACTERS TO WORK WITH BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A LINE WITH FIVE SHORT WORDS.

IT'S ONE LINE. IF YOU HAVE FIVE VERY LONG WORDS, IT MIGHT BE THREE LINES, AND SO.

SO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS REALLY TAKE OUR BALLOT LANGUAGE AND PLACE IT IN THERE AND, AND ALMOST KIND OF PLAY AROUND WITH IT AND TEST IT TO SEE WHAT FONT THEY CAN MAKE FIT WITHIN THAT SPACE.

WORKED THIS ONE UP, BRYAN? WHAT'S THAT? DID YOU WORK ON THIS ONE? I DID. THIS IS ORIGINALLY MR. HYDE.

REMEMBER, PROPOSITION LANGUAGE DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE MEASURE IN IT.

IT JUST HAS TO IDENTIFY THE MEASURE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE NORMALLY DOES ON ANY AMENDMENT, AND SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS JUST REDUCE THE LANGUAGE TO STILL CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THE MEASURE IS, WHICH IS WHAT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS SAID YOU MUST DO.

SO IT MUST SUBSTANTIALLY SUBMIT THE MEASURE TO THE VOTERS, AND THIS THIS PARTICULAR VERSION STILL HAS ALL OF THE OPERATIVE POINTS IN IT THAT THIS COUNCIL, IN PAST DISCUSSIONS HAD NOTED WERE VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM.

SO AND THE MEASURE AND THE FULL LANGUAGE WOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AT THE POLLING PLACES.

IT WOULD BE, YES, AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT MEASURE DIRECTLY OUT OF ORDINANCE OR EXCUSE ME ON FOR SANCTUARY CITY FOR PROPOSITION A WOULD TAKE IT DIRECTLY OUT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED AT THE LAST MEETING, AND WE WOULD PUT THAT ON THE FRONT PAGE AND PUT THE FULL 18 PAGE ORDINANCE RIGHT BEHIND IT, AND RECALL WITH A WITH AN INITIATIVE PETITION.

IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS, AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE HERE IS, IS JUST WHAT THE PETITION IS IN ITS ESSENCE.

THAT'S ALL YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS OR HAVE PROPOSED IT, OR WE LOOKED AT LUBBOCK AND SO SIMILAR ON LUBBOCK, THEY HAD A VERY SHORTENED ONE, AND WE BROUGHT UP AN EXAMPLE LIKE THAT WE COULD SHOW COUNCIL, BUT WE FELT THAT Y'ALL MIGHT WANT MORE DETAIL TO WHERE WE COULD KEEP IT AS INFORMATIONAL AS POSSIBLE.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE COUNCILMEMBER TIPPS, WE CAN PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND SHOW YOU.

YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'D BE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE THE LUBBOCK ORDINANCE WAS FAR DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE.

SO THIS ONE'S, I THINK, A LOT MORE ROBUST THAN WHAT LUBBOCK WAS IT THE LUBBOCK COUNTY OR LUBBOCK [INAUDIBLE].

THIS WAS THE CITY OF LUBBOCK.

CITY OF LUBBOCK. THAT WAS EVEN BEFORE ROE V WADE, RIGHT? SO I THOUGHT WE HAD A DEADLINE.

WASN'T THERE A DEADLINE? SO YOU HAD A DEADLINE TO CALL THE ELECTION OF AUGUST 19TH.

ONCE IT'S CALLED, YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE TO YOUR BALLOT LANGUAGE.

WE JUST HAD TO HAVE IT CALLED.

WHAT'S THE LATEST DATE? YOU CAN AMEND THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE IT DONE.

IN TALKING WITH OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS, WE CAN'T GO ANY LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 10TH.

SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO WORK WITH US AND KIND OF PUSH THEIR DEADLINES A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING BY SEPTEMBER 10TH, THEN THAT GIVES THEM 11 DAYS TO GET BALLOTS APPROVED, GET BALLOTS MAILED OUT AND SENT TO ALL BY MAIL VOTERS.

RON, THIS CAME FROM HYDE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THIS WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL DRAFTS THAT I'D JUST CONDENSED DOWN.

SO THAT.

SO THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE AN OPTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO WE CAN'T GET A CHARACTER COUNT.

CAN WE GET A LINE COUNT? CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THE OTHER ONE? CAN YOU JUST PULL THE COUNT OFF OF THAT AND SEND IT OVER? SO THIS IS YOU WANT THE ORIGINAL? YEAH. SO THAT'S THE ORIGINAL AND THEN SO GIVE ME A SECOND.

WELL, AND A LINE COUNT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR LINES ARE GOING TO BREAK.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO MOVE FROM ONE WORD TO THE NEXT.

LET ME LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

SO THE FONT FONT IS BIGGER ON THIS ONE? YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT LARGER FONT.

AS I GET LATER INTO MY 40S.

NO READERS. SO THAT'S 21 LINES.

THE OTHER ONE IS 26 LINES.

SO WE CAN'T GET A SQUARE INCH.

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NO. NO LIMITATION.

I MEAN, IT'S A COMPUTER PROGRAM, SO IT DEALS IN ZEROS AND ONES, BUT I, FOR WHATEVER REASON, CANNOT GET SOME SORT OF LIMITATION CRITERIA CORRECT.

WE CANNOT GET THAT, AND AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY TO ASK THEM AS WELL.

IT'S A MATTER OF HOW SMALL YOU'D GO ON THAT FONT TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN THE BOX, TO HELP US AND THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND.

WHAT DOES THE WRAP TO THE COLUMN MEAN, LIKE ILLUSTRATE HOW THIS IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE POLLING PLACE.

SO AT THE POLLING PLACE AND ANYONE THAT'S SEEN A BALLOT BY MAIL OR A SAMPLE BALLOT ONLINE.

IT'S A LEGAL SIZE SHEET OF PAPER AND THERE'S THREE COLUMNS ON IT.

THERE MAY BE EITHER 2 OR 3.

TYPICALLY, OUR COUNTIES HISTORICALLY HAVE ALWAYS USED A THREE COLUMN BALLOT, AND SO EACH COLUMN IS IS ONE BOX, AND YOU HAVE TO FIT ONE PROPOSITION WITHIN THAT ONE COLUMN OR BOX BECAUSE IT WILL NOT IF IT NEEDS TO GO LONGER, GO TO THE NEXT COLUMN OR IT WON'T GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

NOW, WE DID CHAT WITH THE COUNTIES ABOUT THIS, AND THERE IS A SOFTWARE UPGRADE FOR THEIR SYSTEMS THAT THEY CAN DO.

THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT, AND SO THAT ONCE THEY GO THROUGH THAT UPGRADE WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT DUE TO THE TIMING RIGHT NOW OF BEING SO CLOSE TO THE ELECTION, NUMBER ONE, IT WAS GOING TO BE A PRETTY SIZABLE AMOUNT FOR BOTH COUNTIES TO HAVE TO DO THAT, AND THEY WOULD BE MAKING CHANGES TO THESE MACHINES WITHIN ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO OF USING THEM FOR THE ELECTION, AND SO IN TALKING WITH OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS, THEY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH TRYING TO GO THROUGH WITH AN UPGRADE RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION LIKE THAT.

COUNCILMAN CRAFT WAS IT YOU THAT WANTED TO REMOVE THE DECLARATIONS IN ORDER TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE CHANGE IN THE LAW OR THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE? IT'S MORE OBJECTIVE AND MORE STUFF ON THERE.

SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE WHAT WHAT BRYAN'S DONE FOR US, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTION ITEM ON THIS ONE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THIS DISCUSSION FOLLOWS UP WITH THE RECALL MEASURE D, I THINK, OR PROP D, AND WE DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ONE.

THAT ONE IS A LITTLE LESS CONTROVERSIAL THAN THIS ONE.

CORRECT. SO DOES COUNCIL WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS IN TWO WEEKS, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU JUST REMOVED THE DECLARATION STATEMENTS YOU LEFT, YOU KNOW, THE STATEMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN YOU TAILORED IT MORE TO LIKE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CRAFT WAS WAS GOING AFTER LAST MEETING.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE MORE THAT IT SAYS AND I DON'T KNOW PRO AGAINST WHATEVER IF IT'S MORE WHAT THE MEASURE OR WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS MAYBE BETTER.

I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, DECLARING THE CITY.

WELL, IF THAT'S THEN THEY'LL VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THAT.

SO IF WE TAKE IT OUT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THIS WAS DRAWN UP BY OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, NOT THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

THIS WAS AMENDED BY BRYAN.

WELL, IT WAS JUST CLEANED UP. THIS VERSION WAS CONDENSED DOWN FROM JUST CONDENSED DOWN.

THAT GEORGE HYDE PROVIDED. NO VERBIAGE CHANGE.

JUST CONDENSED DOWN. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. NO VERBIAGE CHANGE.

JUST TOOK OUT SEVERAL OF THE DECLARATIONS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE OPERATIVE PORTIONS OF IT.

SO YOU DID TAKE OUT A FEW OF THE DECLARATIONS THAT YOU DIDN'T FEEL WERE PERTINENT TO THE OUTCOME OF PASS OR FAIL OF THIS THE MEASURE, THE MEASURE.

THIS STILL CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WHAT THE MEASURE IS BECAUSE THE MEASURE IS NOT CHANGING.

THE MEASURE IS THE SAME AS YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED.

OKAY. I WOULD SAY IF WE COULD HAVE A FEW SAMPLES TO LOOK AT BEFORE NEXT MEETING, THEN WE COULD UPDATE IT.

OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY DUE DILIGENCE UNFORTUNATELY, ON THIS GUY.

SO YEAH, I WOULD ASK STAFF TO SHOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

IF YOU REMOVE THE DECLARATORY STATEMENTS AND LEAVE ALL OTHER LANGUAGE AS WRITTEN, AND THEN KEEP THIS ONE, THIS ONE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST SHOT AT IT, BUT MAYBE OUR BEST.

I DON'T KNOW, AND THEN WHAT IF WE DO NOTHING? IF WE DO NOTHING THERE WOULD BE INCONSISTENCY, POSSIBLY IN THE BALLOTS BETWEEN THE COUNTIES, AND WE COULD HAVE.

I KNOW ONE OF THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATORS IS WILLING TO COME NEXT TIME THEY'LL BOTH BE HERE, BUT ONE IS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT HER CONCERNS AND WITH 18 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN HER ROLE, SHE CAN TALK TO INCONSISTENCIES ARE NOT GOOD IMPACTS, INCONSISTENCIES, MEANING IT WON'T WRAP OR IT GOES AHEAD AND WRAPS TO THE OTHER. IT MIGHT LOOK DIFFERENT FOR A POTTER COUNTY VOTER THAN IT DOES FOR A RANDOM COUNTY VOTER, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME.

SO. OKAY.

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SO DO YOU KNOW IF OR ARE THE IS IT UP TO THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE WHAT VOTING MACHINES DO THEY USE, OR DOES ALL THE STATE USE THE SAME VOTING MACHINES? IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY NOW.

THERE'S VERY LIMITED VENDORS BECAUSE THE STATE HAS PASSED SOME LAWS THAT YOU HAVE TO USE SPECIFIC VENDORS, AND SO THERE ARE REALLY ONLY 2 OR 3 THAT I'M AWARE OF, COUNCILMEMBER SIMPSON. BOTH OF OUR COUNTIES USE THE SAME ONE.

THEY USE HEART VOTING MACHINES.

YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW THEY LOOK WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I GUESS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT VOTING MACHINES THAT COULD HAVE DIFFERENT LOOKS ON THEM.

YOU DO, AND YOU'LL HAVE DIFFERENT LINKS TO YOUR BALLOTS AND THINGS, AND SO THEY MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT THERE.

SO AT ONE POINT IN TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY LOOKING AT THE UPDATE, BUT I KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH BOTH COUNTIES, WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL AS A BETTER OPTION, SINCE NEITHER OF THEM WERE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH AN UPDATE THAT CLOSE TO AN ELECTION.

FURTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL? NO. OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION, AND WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 10TH.

OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO COVER PROPOSITION D? I THINK SO. NO, I THINK IF YOU'LL COVER IT NOW, THEN THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE IT UP FOR AN ACTION ITEM.

SO THIS ONE AND WE DO HAVE ON YOUR NON CONSENT AGENDA TODAY.

SINCE IT WAS DONE BY ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND IT.

SO TODAY WOULD BE YOUR FIRST READING, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING BACK THAT SECOND READING WITH ANY CHANGES YOU MAY WANT ON SEPTEMBER 10TH.

THIS IS YOUR CURRENT BALLOT LANGUAGE, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS DRAFTED BY MR. HYDE AND OUR CONSULTANTS, BAKER TILLY, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, AND THEN BRYAN HAS TAKEN THAT AND CONDENSED IT DOWN TO THIS VERSION RIGHT HERE.

I'VE GOT A IN THIS LANGUAGE, AT LEAST 30% OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS WITHIN THE CITY, WITH AT LEAST ONE FIFTH OF THE SAME CERTIFYING THAT EACH [INAUDIBLE] VOTER FOR THE OFFICER IN THE LAST ELECTION, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE PART THAT WE WERE TAKING OUT.

WE DID. WE SHOULD HAVE.

YEAH JUST KEEP READING.

WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S TELLING THE VOTER, WE'RE CHANGING THIS.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO THIS.

THAT'S NOT CONFUSING AT ALL, AND THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN THERE.

THAT'S SUPER CONFUSING.

IT THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS THAT WAS APPROVED.

BY WHOM? MR. HYDE? OH, THAT'S SUPER CONFUSING.

LOTS OF MATH GOING ON THERE.

WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS INFORM THE VOTER OF THE MEASURE.

YOU'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE MEASURE IS.

THE MEASURE IS MUCH LONGER.

SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS IDENTIFY THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE MAKING SO THAT IT GIVES THEM SOME CONTEXT, AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY, THE GOAL IS, IS TO SUBSTANTIALLY SUBMIT THE MEASURE SO THAT THE VOTERS CAN VOTE ON IT.

YOU'RE CAPTURING THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THE MEASURE IS.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S DRAFTED THAT WAY.

IT MIGHT BE HARD TO HAVE CONTEXT FOR A RECALL WITHOUT IT.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT NEXT ONE OR THAT PREVIOUS ONE? STEPHANIE.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? SO YOU YOU CUT THE VACATE PART OUT BUT THAT ALL STAYS IN THE MEASURE.

SO ALL THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE NEEDED.

STILL THERE. JUST NOT IN THE PROP.

SO WE'RE STILL GETTING ALL THE OUTCOMES THAT WE NEEDED.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY. REALLY GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS CITY SECRETARY? OKAY. THANK YOU, MRS. COGGINS. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM SEVEN D SO WE DON'T SKIP THAT ONE ALTOGETHER.

[7.D. Request future agenda items and reports from City Manager.]

ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS FROM COUNCIL.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[8. Consent Items]

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NO PROBLEM AND DO I HAVE ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO PULL OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR, I'LL PULL ITEM EIGHT L. SO ITEM EIGHT L WE'RE GOING TO PULL TO DISCUSS.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? KNOWING WHAT ITEM EIGHT L IS, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE VOTE ON THAT ONE INDEPENDENTLY, AND SO WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, EXCLUDING ITEM EIGHT L UNLESS COUNCIL HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY NEED TO PULL OUT.

WELL, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION THEN.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCLUDING EIGHT L AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CONSENT AGENDA PASSES, AS AMENDED.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL UP ITEM EIGHT L HERE.

[8.L. CONSIDER AWARD - AIRPORT MARKETING & ADVERTISING SERVICES]

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, I'LL JUST READ IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET ANYBODY BACK OUT THERE.

IT'S OUR AIRPORT MARKETING AND ADVERTISING SERVICE.

WE HAVE A THREE YEAR ADVERTISING SERVICES CONTRACT, AND IT'S BEING AWARDED TO NOBOX CREATIVE.

IT'S ROUGHLY $1 MILLION CONTRACT, BUT IT'S $360,000 ANNUALLY, AND IT'S PAID FOR OUT OF OUR AIRPORT OPERATING FUND AND RESERVES, AND SO REVENUES, I SHOULDN'T SAY RESERVES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAFT WHAT ISSUES DO YOU HAVE WITH THIS? I'LL JUST BE ABSTAINING FROM THAT VOTE.

OKAY. SO YOU HAVE A YOU WILL ABSTAIN FROM THAT VOTE.

DIRECT CONFLICT. YOU HAVE A CONFLICT.

OKAY. YES.

COUNCILMAN SIMPSON. YOU'LL ABSTAIN FROM THAT AS WELL.

OKAY. DO I HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ASK ON THIS, OR ARE WE GOOD JUST WITH WITH THOSE ABSENCES? WELL, I'D LIKE TO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THIS ENTAILS.

I MEAN, A $360,000 ADVERTISING CONTRACT FOR THE AIRPORT.

I'M CURIOUS. I GET THAT IT SAYS MEDIA PURCHASES, DIGITAL CAMPAIGNS, WEBSITES, SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE HAD ONE PRIOR, I THINK THAT WE HAD A SOD POODLES AND AGREEMENT WITH SOD POODLES I GUESS THAT WAS PART OF THE ADVERTISING THAT WE HAD REDIRECTED.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT WHAT GOES INTO THIS? MR. CONNOR, IF YOU WANT TO TELL US WHAT WHAT YOU'RE USED TO, MAYBE KIND OF HOW IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

IS THIS A RENEWAL? WHAT PROCESS HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH? SURE. SO THIS WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS.

WE HAD FIVE COMPANIES THAT PROPOSED DIFFERENT AMOUNTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO US, AND NOBOX WAS THE CHOSEN ONE OUT OF ALL FIVE.

SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A CONTRACT THAT WAS WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY, AND THEY PROVIDED THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES AS THIS CONTRACT.

THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF THE AIRPORT OR INSTEAD OF THE CONTRACTOR ONLY PROVIDING THE SERVICES OF THE CREATIVE WRITING, THE, YOU KNOW, SETTING UP THE GRAPHICS COORDINATING WITH THE TELEVISION STATIONS, RADIO STATIONS AND OTHER MEDIA, DOING SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT.

THIS CONTRACT ALSO INCLUDES THE ACTUAL CONTRACTING WITH THE WITH THOSE MEDIA OUTLETS.

SO RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE AIRPORT FOR ADDITIONAL APPROVALS ON ALL THAT STUFF, THEY WOULD JUST CONTRACT WITH THEM.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE CONTRACTOR WOULD PROPOSE THE LIKE THE TELEVISION STATION.

THEY WOULD PROPOSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADVERTISING FOR A CERTAIN CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD THEN GO THROUGH NO BOX.

NO BOX WOULD GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO ME AND SAY, ARE YOU GOOD WITH IT? DO YOU APPROVE THAT SET? WE WOULD GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY YES OR NO.

ASSUMING THAT WAS YES, THEN THEY WOULD JUST CONTRACT WITH THAT STATION RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO PAST ME, GO TO FLOYD OR OTHERS FOR APPROVAL ADDITIONALLY, AND THEN HAVE IT GO THROUGH OUR PURCHASING PROCESS IN ADDITION TO HAVING TO GO THROUGH NOBOX.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHY THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL COST, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE COST OF NO BOX SERVICES, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, $30,000 LESS THAN THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR. SO IT ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY DO MORE ADVERTISING FOR ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO IS THIS NORMAL IN THE BUDGET? I MEAN, WE USUALLY SPEND ROUGHLY 360,000 TO ADVERTISE.

YES, THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT IN THE PAST.

NOW, LAST YEAR WE SPENT ALMOST NOTHING BECAUSE WE HAD TO ALLOW FOR BOND ISSUE PAYMENTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO WE REDUCED THAT TO NEAR NOTHING, BUT WE STILL HAD SOME MINOR JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONTRACT THAT WE ALREADY HAD.

DID YOU SEE ANY REDUCTION IN TRAVEL OR USAGE OF THE AIRPORT WHEN YOU SPENT NOTHING IN ADVERTISING? WELL, THAT HAS YET TO BE SEEN BECAUSE PEOPLE BOOK FAR IN ADVANCE.

SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL WHETHER IT WAS REDUCED OR NOT.

THAT WON'T BE NECESSARILY SEEN UNTIL THIS COMING FALL, ACTUALLY.

SO WE CAN'T COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR TO DATE? NOT YET. WHAT I CAN COMPARE IS, YOU KNOW, 2016, 2019 TO THIS PAST YEAR WHERE WE WENT FROM ABOUT

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$344,000. SORRY, 344,000 ENPLANEMENTS IN 2016 TO OVER 406,000 IN LAST YEAR.

I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I MEAN, IN BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THE REASON FOR ADVERTISING OR MARKETING.

WHEN YOU HAVE A MONOPOLY, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO A LOT, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY WAY, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TRAVEL OUT OF AMARILLO, THEN THEY WANT TO FLY.

YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS FOR ADVERTISING IN AN AIRPORT.

I HAVE A PAPER HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED COPIES OF IT.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED COPIES OF IT? IF NOT, I'LL GIVE THEM TO YOU NOW.

YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.

THERE'S ON THIS PAGE.

THERE'S ABOUT 16 OTHER AIRPORTS LISTED, AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY SPEND ON ADVERTISING, THEY'RE ALL SORT OF SIMILAR.

IN PASSENGER ENPLANEMENTS THAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT HERE.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S SORT OF ALL OVER THE PLACE BUT, YOU KNOW, REASONS FOR AIRPORT ADVERTISING INCLUDE KEEPING THE PUBLIC AWARE OF AVAILABLE DESTINATIONS, GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT NEW SERVICE AND NEW DESTINATIONS, AND INFLUENCING PEOPLE TO FLY INSTEAD OF DRIVE, WHICH IS REALLY OUR BIGGEST ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN TEXAS LOVE TO DRIVE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONVERT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE TO FLY, RIGHT? AND THEN SIMPLY KEEPING THE THOUGHT OF FLYING FROM A PARTICULAR AIRPORT IN THE PUBLIC MIND BY PAINTING A POSITIVE PICTURE OF THE AIRPORT AND THE AIRLINES THAT FLY THERE.

SO THERE'S A LOT TO IT.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPLICATED THING.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO FIND WHAT THE EXACT EFFECT IS, BUT I THINK YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT A LOT OF AIRPORTS ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON ADVERTISING, AND WE THINK THAT IT HAS A REALLY POSITIVE EFFECT, BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, THE NUMBERS WERE PRETTY FLATLINED, AND SINCE 2017 WE'VE BEEN GROWING AT A PRETTY GOOD RATE, SO MINUS SOME COVID YEARS, BUT YEAH, SO THERE'S NO NATIONAL ASSOCIATION THAT PROMOTES FLYING VERSUS DRIVING. NO.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO IT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL AIRPORTS TO GET THAT MESSAGE ACROSS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

CORRECT, AND THE AIRLINES USED TO DO A LOT OF THAT MARKETING THEMSELVES, BUT THEY DON'T ANYMORE.

SO IT'S VERY RARE THAT YOU'LL SEE AN ADVERTISING SET ON TELEVISION OR RADIO THAT IS ACTUALLY PROMOTED STRICTLY FROM THE AIRLINE ITSELF.

THE AIRLINES HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THAT AND SAID, WE WANT THE AIRPORTS TO DO IT INSTEAD.

SO AND THERE'S A LOT OF FAA RULES BEHIND ALL THAT REASONING, BUT WHERE DO YOU ADVERTISE? I MEAN, AND PLEASE HEAR ME SAY, I'M JUST COMING FROM A BUSINESS.

I'VE NEVER SEEN AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR AMARILLO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.

OKAY. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A BAD FIRM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED A NEW ONE, BUT I GUESS I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT, AND WHEN I GO TO TRAVEL, PULL THIS OUT.

GO TO THE AIRLINE. I'M DOING SEARCH MY DESTINATION.

YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM. MY DESTINATION HAS NO BEARING ON AN AIRPORT.

I MEAN, I MAY BE RARE, BUT, I MEAN, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SURE.

WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME STUDIES.

WE HAVE A KIOSK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN IT IN THE TERMINAL, BUT THERE'S A KIOSK, AND FROM THAT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE PULLED SOME DATA THAT SAYS APPROXIMATELY 15% OF THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL HAVE TRAVELED WITH US BECAUSE OF SEEING ADVERTISING.

REALLY? IT'S QUITE A DEAL.

YEAH. I'M NOT JOKING.

I GUESS I JUST, I MEAN, FLOORS ME THAT YOU WOULD I'M CHOOSING TO GO TO THE AMARILLO AIRPORT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I NEED TO GO TO FLY.

WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY FOUR, SEVEN, 10.

WE'VE ADVERTISED ALL THOSE TV STATIONS AND SOME RADIO IN THE PAST, AND WE'VE DONE WE DO A SOCIAL MARKETING SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN AND WE'VE ALSO DONE RADIO AND SOME PRINT MEDIA IN THE PAST, SPECIFIC CAMPAIGNS, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU GOT GOING THAT YEAR.

SO THE MAIN MESSAGE IS DON'T DRIVE, FLY.

IT'S EASIER. THAT'S THE MAIN MESSAGE WE PUSH.

NOT THAT WE OFFER A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AT AMARILLO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.

THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THAT.

IT'S JUST FLY, DON'T DRIVE.

WE TRY TO KEEP IT PRETTY SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THEMES TO EACH CAMPAIGN AS IN ANY ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN, BUT WE TRY TO KEEP IT FRESH.

SO YEAH, I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN TIPPS IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR OR AMARILLO AIRPORT IS THERE FOR YOU, IS THAT KIND OF GET TO THE POINT THERE? WELL, LET ME LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A REAL QUICK EXAMPLE.

SO WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE BACK IN 2017, I WAS HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE WITHOUT MY WIFE, AND SO I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT TO RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND THINGS AND ASK PEOPLE STRAIGHT ON IN THEIR FACE, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE AIRPORT? I GOT ALL KINDS OF ANSWERS FROM IT'S THE GREATEST THING, FROM SLICED BREAD TO YOU HAVE AN AIRPORT OR IT'S STILL OPEN.

I MEAN, LITERALLY, AND A LOT OF THEM WERE AGRICULTURAL PEOPLE, BUT AGRICULTURAL PEOPLE ARE THE BIGGEST DRIVERS.

THEY WILL DRIVE FROM HERE TO HOUSTON, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THAT

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AND WE WANT THEM TO FLY INSTEAD.

SO THOSE ARE THE REALLY THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT.

YEAH. WELL, WE'LL COMMEND YOU.

OUR AIRPORT IS AMAZING.

I MEAN, FOR OUR ESPECIALLY FOR THE SIZE.

GOSH, I MEAN, IT IS AMAZING.

GO LUBBOCK. SURE.

GOLLY. YEAH, IT'S A GREAT AIRPORT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. DO YOU THINK THE AIRLINES MIGHT PARTICIPATE IN THIS BUDGET? NO, THEY WILL.

NOT AT ALL. THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE IT THE OTHER WAY.

ASK US TO PARTICIPATE.

GIVING THEM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO COME IN HERE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY FIGURE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT IN THE FEES THAT THEY PAY.

OKAY. WHICH ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CONNOR? NO, AND I GUESS, YES, THIS IS, LIKE YOU SAID, MODEST LAST YEAR.

THIS IS PRETTY NORMAL.

YOUR YOUR MARKETING BUDGET HAS BEEN PRETTY FLAT.

OUR BUDGET WAS 360.

SO. YEAH, AND YOU SEE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON THAT? YES, SIR.

DO WE ADVERTISE IN SMALL TOWNS? IS THAT. I MEAN, WHERE DO WE GO? I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE RURAL? I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] STATIONS AND RADIO STATIONS GENERALLY HIT PRETTY FAR.

SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR NOT A LOT OF BANG FOR MY BUCK, YOU KNOW? BUT ANYWAY.

OKAY. I'M DONE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

GOOD QUESTIONS. ALWAYS GOOD DISCUSSION UP HERE.

ITEM EIGHT L IS READY FOR A MOTION.

PREFERABLY WITH ONE OF US THREE THAT IS STILL VOTING.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT EIGHT L STATED.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I DON'T HAVE A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ITEM EIGHT L PASSES.

SO WE WILL NOW MOVE ALONG TO OUR NON CONSENT AGENDA.

WE'RE MAKING PRETTY GOOD TIMING.

I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP US MOVING HERE IN THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY GET THROUGH ONE OF OUR BUSINESS MEETINGS HERE TODAY WITHOUT A RESTROOM BREAK.

WE'LL SEE.

ITEM NINE A, IS THAT MR.

[9.A. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NO. 8147]

KENDRICK? ARE YOU COMING UP HERE, BRADY? WALK US THROUGH THIS ONE, PLEASE, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

NINE A IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND A CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE THAT IS REZONING 12.48 ACRES OF LAND THAT IS UNPLATTED IN RANDALL COUNTY, TEXAS, IN THE VICINITY OF TOWNE SQUARE BOULEVARD AND SONCY ROAD, TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT, AND THE APPLICANT IS A FIRM AND LAND SURVEYORS, INC. FOR THE EMELINE BUSH O'BRIEN MARSH TRUST, AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE REZONING THE GENERAL RETAIL TO DEVELOP THIS TRACT WITH A HANDFUL OF RETAIL USES.

I KNOW THEY HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE UNDER ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE ALONG THE PLANNING AND ULTIMATELY SITE PLAN DESIGN.

THE REQUEST WAS FOUND TO CONFORM WITH THE CITY PLANS, PLACE TYPES AND THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD SCENARIO FOR THIS AREA, AND PLANNING AND ZONING ALSO FOUND THAT GIVEN THE EXISTING ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THIS AREA ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE TOWN SQUARE SUBDIVISION, THEY FELT IT WAS A LOGICAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ESTABLISH IN THIS AREA.

WE SENT NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS AS OF THIS MEETING TODAY, AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A 7-0 VOTE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER KENDRICK? YES, SIR. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK MYSELF.

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY, I WOULD NOW GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HEAR A MOTION ON ITEM NINE A? I MOVE WE ACCEPT ORDINANCE 8147.

SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ITEM PASSES.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE B.

[9.B. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NO. 8148]

MR. KENDRICK, YOU'RE BACK UP.

NINE B IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE 8148.

THIS IS TO CONSIDER THE VACATION OF A 0.388 ACRE PORTION OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BEING THE REMAINING PORTION OF NORTH WILSON STREET THAT IS LOCATED BETWEEN BLOCKS ONE AND TWO OF EBERSTADT'S SUBDIVISION OF BLOCKS 270 AND 277 OF HOLLAND'S ADDITION.

THIS IS IN THE VICINITY OF NORTHEAST FIFTH AVENUE AND NORTH WILLIAMS STREET, AND THE APPLICANTS ARE FABIAN ALVAREZ AND JOSE SILVESTRE, AND THEY ARE WANTING TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL SITES ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS STREET THAT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED AND IS THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST FROM THE CITY AND UTILITY COMPANIES BOTH REVIEWED THIS

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SEGMENT OF STREET AND THERE ARE NO UTILITIES LOCATED IN THIS STREET SEGMENT, SO THERE IS NOT THE NEED TO RETAIN PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.

ADDITIONALLY, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND OTHERS LOOKED AT THIS AS WELL, AND THEY SAID IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD EVER WANT TO DEVELOP THIS STREET SEGMENT, GIVEN HOW THE ROSS STREET DEVELOPED ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS.

THIS WOULD CREATE AN UNSAFE INTERSECTION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH ABANDONING.

ON THIS ITEM IN PARTICULAR.

SINCE THERE WAS NO EASEMENT RETENTION, THE APPLICANT DID PAY $5,800 TO THE CITY, WHICH WAS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE AS ESTABLISHED BY AN APPRAISAL ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THE CITY HAS RECEIVED THAT PAYMENT FOR THIS ITEM.

WE DID SEND PUBLIC NOTICES AND NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED ON THIS AND PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM WITH A 7-0 VOTE AS WELL.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. KENDRICK? NO, SIR. OKAY.

I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NINE B.

ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8148.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM THE RIGHT SIDE.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

[9.C. CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NO. 08-27-24-3]

ITEM NINE C. BRADY ONE MORE TIME.

SO NINE C IS THE CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION 08-27-24-3.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO SET THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF 203.80 ACRES OF LAND BEING UNPLATTED LAND IN THE WEST 50FT OF TARTAR AVENUE, AS DEDICATED IN SONCY PARK, UNIT NUMBER TEN.

THIS IS ALL LOCATED IN SECTION 62, BLOCK NINE OF RANDALL COUNTY, TEXAS AND THE VICINITY OF SOUTHWEST 45TH AVENUE AND SONCY ROAD, AND THE APPLICANT IS ATTEBURY A G TESTAMENTARY TRUST, AND THIS RESOLUTION WOULD ALSO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN AND EXECUTE THE AGREED SERVICE PLAN.

LIKE ON OTHER ANNEXATIONS RECENTLY, THIS IS JUST A FORMAL STEP TO SET THE DATE AND TIME AND PLACE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING TO BE SEPTEMBER 10TH AT 3 P.M., WHICH IS YOUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING TO CONSIDER THIS ANNEXATION.

AND AS A REMINDER, THE SERVICE PLAN ONLY BECOMES BINDING, AND IN EFFECT, IF YOU ALL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THAT ANNEXATION AND ALSO GO THROUGH WITH THE SECOND HEARING ON THAT ANNEXATION. STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT SERVICE PLAN BE EXECUTED BY BOTH PARTIES BEFORE YOU ALL CONSIDER IT AND AT THIS STAGE, THAT SERVICE PLAN HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.

LEGAL DEPARTMENT ALSO REVIEWED IT AND FOUND IT TO BE IN GOOD ORDER.

SO STAFF FEELS THAT THIS ITEM IS AT A PLACE WHERE IT IS READY TO SET THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROPOSED ANNEXATION, AND THEN JUST TO THE DEVELOPER, IF ANNEXED, INTENDS TO DEVELOP THIS AREA WITH A MULTI-PHASE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH ALSO SOME GREEN SPACE THAT WOULD SERVE FUTURE RESIDENTS IF ANNEXED. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.

QUESTIONS FOR OUR SENIOR PLANNER.

AT THIS TIME. OKAY.

THANK YOU, BRADY. NO PROBLEM.

I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION ON ITEM NINE C, THEN.

I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 08-27-24-3 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, SECOND.

OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FROM PLACE FOUR A SECOND FROM PLACE TWO.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ANNEXING THIS PROPERTY? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT ITEM PASSES.

MRS. COGGINS, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GET BACK UP ON THIS ONE.

[9.D. CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NO. 8149]

ON ITEM NINE, D SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY WALKED US THROUGH THAT ONE I WOULD SAY DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM NINE D FOR THAT RECALL LANGUAGE.

DOES ANYBODY NEED ANY ADDITIONAL REVIEW OR DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY NEED TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT LANGUAGE AS CHANGED.

WHAT'S EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THIS? I MEAN AGAIN I'M NOT I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHETHER WE HAVE TO PUT IN WHAT THE CURRENT LAW IS OR NOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT LEAVING THE ONE FIFTH IN. DOES IT HAVE TO BE THERE? I MEAN, IF IT'S REQUIRED, IT HAS TO BE THERE, THEN I GUESS WE NEED IT TO STAY, BUT I'VE GOT VOTER FATIGUE AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN VOTED YET [INAUDIBLE].

SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE TOOK SOME OF THE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS THAT ARE OLD IN THE CHARTER AND CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE.

THEY'RE STILL ON THE MEASURE, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS LENGTHY ON THE PROP.

SO I THINK WE DIDN'T LOSE ANYTHING.

WE WOULD BE GOING BACK AND REVISITING A CONVERSATION WE HAD TWO WEEKS AGO.

IT REALLY DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN IT SAID BEFORE.

SO WE'RE GIVING IT A SECOND LOOK.

I UNDERSTAND IT AS MUCH AS ANYBODY, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

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IT'S NOT THE EASIEST THING TO UNDERSTAND OR SIFT THROUGH, BUT IT'S ALL STATE LANGUAGE.

BRYAN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS STANDARD.

IT STATES WHAT IT WAS AND THEN WHAT? THIS WOULD BE CHANGING. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S STANDARD BALLOT LANGUAGE.

ONCE AGAIN, WHEN YOU SAY STANDARD IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.

RIGHT, BUT BUT WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO GET A DEPEND FROM THE LAWYER, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS YOUR TASK, AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, IS TO CRAFT A PROPOSITION THAT SUBMITS THE MEASURE TO THE VOTERS AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THE, THE CHIEF CHARACTERISTICS OF IT IN THERE, THEN YOU HAVE DONE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO PURSUANT TO STATE LAW.

SO YOUR MEASURE TALKS ABOUT AMENDING A PORTION OF SECTION 24 RELATED TO RECALL FROM A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE PLUS ANOTHER FRACTION OF VOTERS RELATED TO WHO THEY VOTED FOR IN THE LAST ELECTION, TO JUST 30% OF WHOEVER VOTED LAST TIME.

RIGHT. SO THE VOTER, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS CONVEY THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE MAKING.

YOU'RE CHANGING A COUPLE OF PIECES THERE THAT IS SIGNIFICANT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WOULD NEED IT OR NOT.

IT WOULD BE A SITUATION IN WHICH IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONVEY THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IT IS, DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT? RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND.

COUNCILMAN. SIMPSON IS THAT ANY CLEARER OR STILL THE SAME? I DON'T KNOW, I'LL GO.

I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE THE RECALL PROCEDURES.

I'M TRYING TO PICK IT UP HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE TO GET 30% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTES CAST IN THE LAST ELECTION.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO INCLUDE WHAT THE CURRENT LAW IS AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, BUT I JUST CAN'T.

I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING THAT SAYS IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

SO I GUESS IT JUST IS COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE AS TO WHETHER WE WOULD WANT TO LEAVE IT IN THERE OR NOT.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH. WELL, IT'S REALLY CONFUSING, I'LL SAY THAT.

I KNOW IT'S PROPOSITION LANGUAGE.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE EASIEST THING TO CAPTURE.

SO HISTORICALLY, THAT IS TRUE AS WELL.

DO WE HAVE THE SAME SEPTEMBER 10TH DEADLINE ON THIS OR.

THIS ONE IS AN ORDINANCE, NOT A RESOLUTION.

SO IT WILL REQUIRE FIRST AND SECOND READING.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS TODAY AND ON THE 10TH.

HOWEVER IF YOU NEEDED TO AMEND SOMETHING, YOU COULD DO IT UP UNTIL THE 10TH, AS LONG AS WE TAKE ACTION ON IT HERE TODAY.

DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY? OKAY. CORRECT, MAYOR.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON NINE D.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION ON ITEM NINE D AND WE'LL COMPLETE THIS ONE.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8144.

49. 49? YES. 8149? 8149? WHICH ONE IS FOUR FOUR? I IF I CAN 8144 WAS YOUR ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.

8149 AMENDS 8144 JUST TO CHANGE THAT BALLOT LANGUAGE.

OKAY. SO CORRECTION I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8149.

I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ITEM NINE D PASSES.

WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO STEP BACK INTO EXEC.

SO COUNCIL, YOU'RE ADJOURNED FOR TODAY.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL BEING HERE.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN EXEC.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Aug 27, 2024 City Council Regular Meeting

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