[4.1. Discuss the City's current use of cameras for public safety and/or security, existing policies, and discuss a possible city-wide policy to be considered by City Council. (Thomas Hover, Police Chief) ]

SECURITY SYSTEM HAS. THANK YOU.

YOU GOING TO RUN IT OR YOU WANT THEM TO RUN IT? IS IT ALL PART OF THE SAME? ALL RIGHT. MAYBE.

SO. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. A FEW WEEKS AGO, I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON ONE OF THE TOPIC ITEMS TO PURCHASE VERKADA CAMERAS. AND THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. AND SO HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRESENTATION.

SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PRESENTATION IS, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.

IT'S ABOUT 17 SLIDES AND IT GOES INTO A VERY A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT, WHY WE USE THE CAMERAS AT THE BEGINNING HOLISTICALLY OVERALL.

I'M GOING TO GO INTO FOUR DIFFERENT KINDS OF CAMERAS THAT WE USE. AND THEN I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THEN I'LL WRAP IT UP AT THE END THERE. SO I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THAT JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU THE LAYOUT OF WHAT THAT PRESENTATION LOOKS LIKE. SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND THE IDEA BEHIND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SO WE CAN UTILIZE OUR RESOURCES IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN.

AND THAT'S HOW WE USE THE CAMERA SYSTEMS, ALL OF THEM TOGETHER.

NOW, THE FOUR CAMERA SYSTEMS THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, THEY'RE EACH DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT, BUT THEY ARE A CAMERA. ONE'S THE BODY WORN CAMERA, AN IN-CAR CAMERA, AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE, READERS AND TRAFFIC CAMERAS. AGAIN, WHILE I MENTIONED THEY ARE A SENSOR AND THEY COLLECT THAT INFORMATION, EACH ONE OF THEM IS DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT AND THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT RETENTION PERIODS.

IT'S LIKE THE FIRST ONE, FOR INSTANCE, BODY WORN CAMERAS. AMARILLO HAS BEEN USING THAT, I BELIEVE SINCE 2016, 2015, IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND THEN THE IN-CAR CAMERAS, SAME, SAME VENDOR, IT'S AXON, BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS TOGETHER. AND THEN THE NEXT IS A LICENSE PLATE READERS.

AND WE'LL GO INTO MORE DEPTH ON EACH ONE OF THESE. BUT THAT TOO IS A SEVEN DAY RETENTION PERIOD.

AND WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AXON AND FLOK.

AND THEN FINALLY THE TRAFFIC CAMERAS. AND THAT'S REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON IT STARTED WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT STARTED HAVING TRAFFIC CAMERAS AT DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS CONTINUED TO ADD TO THAT.

AND THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE, PARTICULARLY THE CAMERA IS A CAMERA, AND THOSE ARE JUST REPLACING SOME OF THE OLD ONES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

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SO LET'S START OFF WITH A BODY WORN CAMERA, RIGHT? EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS FOR THE MOST PART. AND IF THERE'S DIFFERENT RETENTION PERIODS BASED UPON HOW THE OFFICER COLLECTS THAT INFORMATION, MEANING WHEN THEY HAVE AN INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBER, THAT CAMERA GETS ACTIVATED, WHETHER IT'S THE LIGHTS THAT AUTOMATICALLY OPERATE THAT OR WHEN THEY PULL THEIR TASER.

SOME OTHER THINGS AUTOMATICALLY CREATE THAT THING TO GO OFF.

AND IT'S A 32ND DELAY, MEANING THERE'S RECORDING 30S CONSTANTLY BEFOREHAND.

SO IT BACKS UP IN THAT INTERACTION, THE OFFICER, LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, A TRAFFIC STOP, THEY CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STOP, THEY DO A VERBAL WARNING, THEY'RE GOING TO CLICK THAT BUTTON OR HIT THE STOP BUTTON ON THEIR IN-CAR CAMERA, BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE ARE TOGETHER AND THEY'RE GOING TO CATEGORIZE THAT VIDEO AND THAT VIDEO.

IF IT'S JUST A VERBAL WARNING, RIGHT? IT'S CATEGORIZED AS BASICALLY THE LOWEST THING AND IT FALLS OFF AFTER 190 DAYS.

THE REASON WHY FOR THAT, THAT DISTINCTION IS BECAUSE WE LOOK AT CIVIL SERVICE AND WE LOOK AT COMPLAINTS.

AND SO CIVIL SERVICE, THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 143 ONLY ALLOWS ME TO DO FORMAL DISCIPLINE UP TO THAT 180 DAYS.

AND THAT MEANS THE WHOLE SYSTEM HAS TO BE DONE. I HAVE TO BASICALLY SEE THE COMPLAINT GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND THEN AND THEN COME UP WITH MY DECISION.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S SET FOR WHAT IT IS.

IT ALSO HAS A LIVE FEED FUNCTION OF IT THROUGH THE BODY CAMERA AS WELL AS OUR IN-CAR CAMERA.

THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT IS REALLY TO KEEP OUR OFFICERS SAFE WHEN THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO A CALL, NOT RESPONDING TO THE 911, I'M SORRY TO A RADIO.

AND THEY'RE ON A CALL FOR SERVICE. OUR PEOPLE IN OUR ARC AMARILLO REGIONAL CRIME CENTER CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT CAMERA AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

MANY TIMES WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE OFFICERS NOT RESPONDING BECAUSE THEY WELL, SOMETIMES THEY DIDN'T TURN THE RADIO ON. THAT'S THE EASY ONE. THE BAD ONE, UNFORTUNATELY, IS THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIGHT AND THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AT THE TIME, AND THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING ON THE RADIO. SO THE USE OF A LIVE FEED HELPS US GET THEM THE INFORMATION, THE OTHER OFFICERS TO GET THEM THERE FASTER.

AND THOSE ARE LOOKED AT EVERY MONTH, MEANING THERE'S A RANDOM SEARCH THAT OUR SUPERVISORS ARE REQUIRED TO DO EVERY MONTH ON EACH ONE OF THOSE CAMERAS, FOR EACH ONE OF THE, EACH ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES.

SO THEY CHOOSE ONE VIDEO FROM EACH MONTH, AND THEY LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY BAD BEHAVIOR.

NOW, HERE'S THE ONE THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT OUR AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHERE LICENSE PLATE READERS EVEN CAME FROM.

AND IT GAINED POPULARITY THROUGH OUR MOTOR VEHICLE REPOSSESSION.

IT'S BEEN USED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THOSE BANKS AND OTHER COMPANIES WHO WANT TO REPOSSESS THOSE CARS, THEY'VE BEEN USING IT SINCE THE 2000 USING. I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON IN THE SLIDE.

IT SHOWS YOU WHERE THESE CARS, AS WELL AS TOW TRUCKS, HAVE CAMERAS THAT ARE POSITIONED ON THEM.

AND THAT'S HOW THAT HOW THAT INFORMATION OR HOW THAT SYSTEM REALLY GOT NOTORIETY IS BECAUSE OF HOW EFFECTIVE IT WAS ABOUT FINDING THOSE REPOSSESSIONS.

SO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW IS YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT WE CURRENTLY USE.

ONE IS FLOC, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH WHAT EACH ONE OF THEM IS, BUT THIS IS A STATIONARY POLE.

WE HAVE 83 OF THOSE AS WELL AS TWO MOBILES. THE RETENTION DAY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S SEVEN DAYS.

I PERSONALLY REACHED OUT TO FLOC AND HAD OUR SYSTEM REDUCED DOWN TO SEVEN DAYS FROM 30.

AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF WHY AND THEN THE CASE LAW SECTION OF THE DISCUSSION.

BUT THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY I WENT TO IT. IT'S ALSO ONLY LIMITED OR IT IS LIMITED TO JUST TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, AS WELL AS OUR TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT CAN OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO IT'S NOT SHARED WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCY. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SHARED WITH ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE.

THERE'S ALSO A RANDOM SEARCH VIEW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL GO BACK IN THE BACK END OF IT.

IT'LL KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THERE IS AN AI AUDIT. I'M SORRY, THE RANDOM SEARCH THAT'S SOMETHING RECENTLY THAT I INSTITUTED.

AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF REALLY NARROWING DOWN WHAT THE SEARCHES ARE AND LOOKING AT THOSE SEARCHES.

SO THE SAME PRINCIPLES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BODY WORN CAMERAS, I WROTE THE POLICY JUST EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S A, IT'S AN EASY TRANSITION FOR THAT SERGEANT TO DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO GRAB ONE OF THE SEARCHES WHILE THEY'RE IN THERE DOING THE OTHER SEARCH AND TO COMPLETE THAT AUDIT PROCESS. THAT'S ALSO BEING CAPTURED ON A, ON A LARGER PLATFORM, MEANING EVERY TIME A SERGEANT DOES ONE OF THOSE AUDITS, THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT A FORM AND WE'RE CAPTURING ALL OF THOSE.

AND THEN THE AI AUDITS, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN FLOCK RECENTLY, NOT TO MENTION THE SEVEN DAY RETENTION PERIOD, BUT THE AUDITS HAVE HAVE REALLY COME INTO EFFECT.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY BACKED IT UP.

SO ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AGO IS WHEN THEY LAUNCHED THAT.

AND WHAT THAT IS, IS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AUDIT TRAILS, MEANING THEY'RE LOOKING AT RANDOM OR LOOKING AT THE SEARCHES.

DID SOMEONE SEARCH FOR THE SAME LICENSE PLATE AND THEY DO TEN DIFFERENT WAYS.

DID THEY DO IT IN A SHORT DURATION OF TIME? DID MULTIPLE OFFICERS LOOK AT THE SAME THING? AND SO WHAT THEY FOUND USING THAT AI AUDIT IS THEY ACTUALLY BACKED IT UP A YEAR.

SO ALL THE SEARCHES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT MORE AS THIS HITS THE HITS,

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THE MEDIA AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S INVOLVED. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IS YOU'RE SEEING THOSE AI SEARCHES, IDENTIFY THOSE PATTERNS. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE END AS WELL.

BUT THE DATA IS NOT SOLD OR SHARED WITH EITHER EITHER ONE OF THESE COMPANIES WITH A FLOCK OR AXON.

I PERSONALLY HAVE REACHED OUT TO BOTH THE CEOS AND SPOKE WITH THEM ALSO ON THEIR WEBSITES.

THEY BOTH TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEN FINALLY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH BOTH OF THESE COMPANIES THAT SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT THE DATA IS OURS, AND ONLY WE SHARE IT WITH WHO WE SEE FIT TO SHARE IT WITH AXONS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM, DIFFERENT FROM FLOC, BECAUSE IT WAS OPEN TO BASICALLY IF YOU COULD LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN.

RIGHT. MEANING THAT ANYONE WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES, IF YOU LEFT IT OPEN, COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHATEVER READS THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT.

AXONS DIFFERENT. IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM. SO IT'S ONLY OUR INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS, OUR CITY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN SEE THAT.

AND NOW AXON HOW IT'S UTILIZED THROUGH OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS.

SO EVERY ONE OF OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS HAVE A LICENSE PLATE READER IN, IN THE DATA THAT IT'S COLLECTING.

THEY DON'T HAVE AN AI VERSION AS FAR AS ANY AUDITS ARE CONCERNED.

SO WE HAVE TO RELY UPON A MANUAL AUDIT FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE.

NOW, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN AN OFFICER DOES A SEARCH.

I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO READ, BUT THE MAIN THINGS, WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IS WHERE THE RED STARS ARE.

THOSE ARE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION TO PUT IN.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE OFFENSE TYPE. IT PROVIDES A LIST OF DIFFERENT DIFFERENT THINGS SUCH AS A MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY, A ROBBERY, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO THE OVERALL REASON WHY IT'S BEING SEARCHED AND THE BAR NEXT TO IT, THE I'M SORRY OFFENSE TYPE.

THE REASON IS WHERE IT GOES INTO THE EITHER THE CAD NUMBER OR THAT MEANS THE THE CALL FOR SERVICE NUMBER OR THE ACTUAL REPORT NUMBER.

AND THEN YOU CAN GO BY GOING INTO DETAIL. DO I ONLY HAVE ONE CHARACTER OR SEVERAL CHARACTERS? AND THEN WHAT STATES AM I LOOKING FOR. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE ADVANCED SIDE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART. SO WHEN YOU GET THE FLOCK READ, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET.

YOU GET A PICTURE A PICTURE OF THE LICENSE PLATE.

AND THEN YOU GET THE AI THAT SAID, HEY, WE THINK IT READS LIKE THIS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE SMALL PRINT. IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY MORE DETAILS OTHER THAN THAT.

AND THEN THE DATE AND THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE CAMERA IS DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY REGISTRATION INFORMATION.

IT DOESN'T PROVIDE WHO THE CAR BELONGS TO. AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE IN ANY KIND OF CAR.

THERE'S NO FACIAL RECOGNITION THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS.

THIS IS SIMPLY A PICTURE IN TIME AT A LOCATION.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU A SLIGHT DIFFERENT VIEW, BUT THIS IS THE AXON ALPR VERSION.

AND SO WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU ON THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GET AN ALERT, MEANING THAT THAT LICENSE PLATE HAS BEEN ENTERED FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND THAT'S THE ALERT THAT YOU GET BACK.

AND I PUT A BAD READ ON THERE FOR A REASON. SO THE READ AS THE OFFICER IS DRIVING BY, THAT IS A TRAILER TAG.

AND HE SEES THE, WHAT THE CAMERA PICKS UP IS A TEXAS TAG AND IT PROVIDES THAT NUMBER.

WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE FACT THAT THE STOLEN VEHICLE IS ACTUALLY OUT OF ARIZONA.

SO THE STATE AND THE THE STATES DON'T MATCH. SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO DO WHEN THEY SEE SUCH INFORMATION, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT IT AND VERIFY. MANY TIMES AN X LOOKS LIKE A K AND VICE VERSA.

SO THE OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO VERIFY THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THEY ACT UPON IT.

AND THE RIGHT AGAIN IS JUST ANOTHER PICTURE OF HOW THE AXON ALPR WORKS.

AGAIN, THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS PICTURE IS TO SHOW YOU THAT YES, IT SHOWS THE PICTURE OF THE LOCATION, IT SHOWS THE LICENSE PLATE. AND THEN WHAT THE AI PICKS UP IS WHAT THE WHAT THEY THINK THE READ IS.

BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO BOTH ARE VERY SIMILAR.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS FAR AS REGISTRATION DRIVE OR ANY OF THAT.

SO THE NEXT AND FINAL CAMERA I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS WELL, IT'S RICOTTA, BUT THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE.

SO THIS IS THE NAME OF THE VIDEO MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.

AND THAT BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE IS A PICTURE OF JUST THAT.

IF YOU EVER HAD VISITED THE ARK AND THE REGIONAL CRIME CENTER, YOU'D SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A BIG MAP.

WHAT THAT IS, IS JUST IT'S INGESTING THE TRAFFIC CAMERAS.

IT'S INGESTING THE IN-CAR CAMERAS AND BODY CAMERAS.

SO YOU CAN SCROLL IN A LITTLE BIT OR ZOOM IN AND SEE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CAMERAS THAT ARE THERE.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THAT SCREEN IS BASICALLY A GREEN LITTLE PICTURE OF A CAMERA.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A CAMERA THERE. THE OTHER ONE IS THE GREEN CAR.

THAT'S AN IN-CAR CAMERA THAT'S MOVING DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THEN THE WEIRD ONE WITH THE TWO LITTLE CIRCLES ON IT, THE ONES OVER THE TOP OF THE OTHER.

THAT'S A BODY CAMERA. THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT IS TO SHOW YOU THE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE ARK WHEN A CALL FOR SERVICE HAPPENS,

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AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND. BUT AS IT ROLLS THROUGH, THAT'S WHAT THE OFFICERS IN THE ARK ARE DOING IS THEY'RE THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING WHERE THINGS ARE DURING A CALL FOR SERVICE. AND SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AGAIN, I WANT TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO WHAT THOSE CAMERAS ARE.

AGAIN, IT'S A SEVEN DAY RETENTION PERIOD. THIS IS THIS IS A TRAFFIC CAMERA, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT AN ALPR CAMERA. AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF IT IN JUST A SECOND.

THIS IS JUST LITERALLY A CAMERA THAT SITS AT THE INTERSECTION.

YES, THERE ARE SOME SEARCHING CAPABILITIES, BUT I'LL GO OVER THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT THE AUDIT IS AN AUDIT CAN BE PERFORMED JUST LIKE THEY CAN THE OTHER CAMERAS.

AND THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY THE SEARCHING CAPABILITY CAN ONLY BE DONE BY A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE FOR THE TRAFFIC RELATED CAMERAS.

IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE CAMERAS, FOR INSTANCE, THE OFFICER SAID, HEY, I THINK THIS CAR WENT THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL VHS. YOU GOT TO REWIND IT.

THAT'S THE ONLY INFORMATION THEY'RE GOING TO GET IS THEY'LL LOOK AT A CAMERA AND GO, OKAY, I CAN PULL UP THIS CAMERA. MAYBE I SEE THE CAR DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THERE'S A LICENSE PLATE AROUND.

IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THERE'S, THERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE INTERSECTION.

AND I GOT TO REWIND TO GO FIGURE OUT WHERE SOMETHING IS.

SO THE TYPICAL PATROL OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING A DETAILED SEARCH.

ONLY THE PEOPLE IN THE ART CAN. AND AGAIN, I ALSO REACHED OUT TO RICOTTA FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT I DID FOR FLOCKEN AND AXEN.

AND THEY. AND THEY DON'T SELL THE INFORMATION. THAT INFORMATION AGAIN, IS SOLIDIFIED BY A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THEM, BUT ALSO IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH RICOTTA ITSELF.

THIS IS WHAT THE RICOTTA CAMERA LOOKS LIKE UP ON THE RIGHT HAND CORNER IS JUST THAT IT'S A PICTURE OF THE CAMERA AT THE INTERSECTION.

AND THEN THIS IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED A FOUR WAY.

SO YOU GOT FOUR DIFFERENT CAMERAS THAT ARE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE LITTLE HUBS, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE VIEWING IS JUST THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.

ON THE BOTTOM IS WHAT YOU SEE IS KIND OF THE AUDIT AND THE AUDIT.

AGAIN, I GO BACK INTO IF AN OFFICER LOOKS AT THAT CAMERA, IT CAN TELL WHO LOOKED AT IT FOR THE LIVE VIEW, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE OR ASK A REQUEST TO REASON.

IT JUST WILL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. AND THEN THE SECONDARY PART IS WE CAN DO A LITTLE MORE DETAILED SEARCH BASED UPON THE IP ADDRESS WHERE THEY WERE WHEN THEY LOOKED AT IT AND ALL THOSE OTHER PARTICULARS. SO THIS IS HOW WE USE THE SYSTEM OVERALL.

AND I WANTED TO USE AN EXAMPLE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE COLLISION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE EASIEST TO TALK ABOUT. BUT EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS ARE INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF CALL FOR SERVICE ON HOW OUR THE MEN AND WOMEN USE THESE SYSTEMS. SO FIRST IS THE 911 CALL. IT HAPPENS. WE HAVE A SOFTWARE CALLED LIVE 911.

SO PEOPLE IN A CAR OR IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IN THE ART CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THAT LIVE 911 CALL HAPPENING, THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE DISPATCHER AND THE CALLER.

SO THAT PERSON, THE ART CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HEAD START OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND SO AS THEY LISTEN TO THAT, THEY MIGHT HEAR, OKAY, I HEARD A COLLISION AND I HEARD, I THINK IT'S IN THIS INTERSECTION.

SO THEY BEGIN TO LOOK FOR THE CAMERAS USING THAT SYSTEM, AS I MENTIONED, TO TRY TO DRILL IN.

DO I HAVE A CAMERA IN THE AREA? WHAT CAN I SEE? AND THEN IT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT SIZE APPROACH. IS IT JUST A FENDER BENDER THAT THEY'VE NOW MOVED OFF TO THE ROADWAY? WELL, NOW WE CAN DECREASE OUR RESPONSE. WE CAN FREE UP OTHER OTHER UNITS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

OR IS IT A ROLLOVER? WE HAD AN EJECTION. NOW I HAVE SOMEONE LAYING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROADWAY.

WE CAN REALLY BEGIN TO ASSESS QUICKLY WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES THAT WE NEED TO GET THERE TO START HELPING THESE INDIVIDUALS FASTER.

AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A MOTOR VEHICLE COLLISION, PARTICULARLY, IS IT'S A SECONDARY COLLISION, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. IF YOU HAVE A IF A ROADWAY HAS HIGHWAY SPEEDS, NOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AN ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL LAYING OUT IN THAT ROADWAY.

SO THE FASTER WAYS THAT WE CAN GET AN AMBULANCE OR A TOW TRUCK AND ASSESS THE SITUATION FASTER, THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE CAMERAS ARE BEING USED FOR.

IT'S ABOUT ACCURACY OF INFORMATION, AND IT'S ABOUT GETTING TO THE PLACE WHERE WE KNOW WE NEED TO GET NEED TO GET TO IN A HURRY.

SO THIS IS SOME OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT I'VE FOUND.

THERE'S REALLY THREE AND I'LL START OFF. ONE IS DATA SHARING RIGHT.

I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING AGAIN THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT FLOCK ITSELF OR OTHER ALPERS.

AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS FIRST STARTED OFF WITH VEHICLE REPOSSESSION.

SO THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY THIRD PARTY ENTITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE, SUCH AS MOTOROLA, VIGILANT AND OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN ROLLING AROUND WITH THEIR TOW TRUCKS AND OTHER THINGS TO LOOK FOR THESE CARS. AND THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN SOLD AND AND CAN BE PURCHASED, BUT IT'S NOT THROUGH AXON AND IT'S NOT THROUGH FLOCK.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER ALPERS THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THE RETENTION DATE PERIOD IS SEVEN DAYS. AND THERE'S A, IN A, THIS IS KIND OF STAYING AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

AND I'LL GO INTO THOSE CASE LAW FOR JUST A SECOND.

WELL I'LL JUST GO INTO IT NOW. SO EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOW IT VIOLATES SOMEONE'S FOURTH AMENDMENT.

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THAT'S THE BIGGEST INFORMATION THAT I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WELL, THERE'S A RECENT CASE THAT A 2026 RIGHT HERE IN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, WHICH COVERS THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND I PUT IT UP THERE, IT'S PORTER V US. AND THE REASON WHY THAT CASE IS SO IMPORTANT RECENTLY IS BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT ALL THREE AREAS THAT ARE OF CONCERN ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE USE OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF, MEANING THAT WHEN SOMEONE PULLS UP AN ALPR READ AND THEY HAVE INFORMATION ON THERE, DOES THAT GIVE YOU OR THE OFFICER ENOUGH REASONABLE SUSPICION OR PROBABLE CAUSE TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC STOP? AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IF YOU HAVE A HIT, THERE ARE STEPS THAT THE OFFICER MUST DO TO VERIFY WHAT THAT LICENSE PLATE IS.

IF THEY READ IT INCORRECTLY, THEN THE OFFICER HAS TO VERIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECT BEFORE THEY CAN ACT ON IT.

SO THEY SAID IN THIS CASE AND MANY OTHERS THAT IF THAT INFORMATION IS DONE AND THE OFFICER DOES THAT CHECK LIKE THAT, THEN THERE'S NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERN. THE SECOND PART ABOUT THAT IS TRACKING PEOPLE.

IT REALLY GOES INTO WHAT A PUBLIC PLACE IS AND WHERE THESE PICTURES ARE ACTUALLY TAKEN.

AND THAT SAME CASE LAW WITH PORTER TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YES, THESE CAMERAS ARE IN A PUBLIC PLACE, AND YES, IT'S AN INTERMITTENT IDENTIFICATION OF A DATE AND TIME AND A LOCATION OF WHERE THIS THING HAPPENED.

IT'S NOT A CONSTANT TRACKING OR FOLLOWING, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO, BECAUSE THERE'S A CASE THAT I'VE, IT'S CALLED CARPENTER V US.

IT'S A 2018 CASE. AND THAT CASE SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH CELL PHONES.

AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE OFFICER'S USE OF A CELL PHONE.

AND IT TALKS ABOUT OVER A 21 DAY PERIOD OF A CONSTANT MONITORING OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT.

NOW, IN THAT INFORMATION, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT OR HINTED TOWARDS THESE, BUT THAT WAS A 2018 CASE.

THIS IS ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY DECIDED, I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH OR APRIL.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THAT CONCERN AS WELL.

AND SO LOOKING AT TRYING TO FORECAST SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED MYSELF AND OTHERS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE INFORMATION CARTER SUGGESTS SEVEN DAYS IS A MORE ACCURATE LOOK AT IT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE FLOCK GOT THEIR INFORMATION FROM WHILE THEY MADE THEIR DECISION TO REDUCE IT.

THE ACLU HAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS FAR AS THESE KINDS OF CAMERAS AND HOW THEY'RE UTILIZED.

BUT THOSE ARE THE MAIN PORTIONS OF WHAT THE CASE LAW SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT.

ONE. DID THE DID THE OFFICER USE THE INFORMATION CORRECTLY? DID THEY VERIFY THE SECOND ONE? IS IT IS IT A PUBLIC PLACE AND IS IT CONSTANT MONITORING? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE ACTUAL SEARCHES.

ARE THEY DONE CORRECTLY. ALL THOSE KIND OF WRAPPED IN ONE.

BUT I GO BACK TO SOME OF THE, THE INFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE AS FAR AS THE CAMERAS ARE CONCERNED AND THE USE YEAH, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IS FOR SALE, BUT IT'S NOT THE COMPANIES THAT WE UTILIZE.

HERE'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP. OFFICER MISCONDUCT.

IT SPECIFICALLY STATES IN ALL OF OUR POLICIES, MORE SPECIFIC TOWARDS THE ACTUAL TECHNOLOGY SIDE.

IT'S FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY. PREVIOUSLY, OUR POLICY STATED THAT WE'LL DO A ONE YEAR AUDIT.

IS THAT ENOUGH? I THINK YOU'VE SEEN. NO, I DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH.

AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE DECISIONS THAT I HAVE.

BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VIOLATION OF LAW. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MISUSE OF AN ITEM.

AND I CAN DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO PUT EVERY PARAMETER IN PLACE TO IDENTIFY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

BUT WHEN SOMEONE MAKES THE DECISION TO BREAK THE LAW.

THERE'S ALREADY POLICIES IN PLACE FOR THAT. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS YOU'RE SEEING CHIEFS AND SHERIFFS ACT, AND THEY ACT QUICKLY. THEY DO THEIR INVESTIGATION, AND EVERYONE THAT I'VE SEEN RESULTED IN TERMINATION AND DEMOTION AND CRIMINAL CHARGES.

IT'S NOT FUN TO TALK ABOUT, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS I THINK WE'RE TAKING IT SERIOUS.

AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING THAT THERE ARE PARAMETERS IN PLACE.

AND WHEN A MISTAKE HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY TO THIS GRAVITY, THAT WE HANDLE IT.

THESE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE ARE THE POLICIES THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY PUT INTO PLACE.

ALL ALPERS WILL BE AT SEVEN DAYS THAT GOES EFFECTIVE NEXT WEEK FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

I MADE THE I MADE THE DECISION A FEW WEEKS AGO.

I WANTED TO GIVE MY DEPARTMENT A FEW A FEW WEEKS TO ADJUST BEFORE WE WENT TO THE SEVEN DAYS.

AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT OF THE OFFICER, I'M SORRY, THE SUPERVISOR TO CONDUCT A SEARCH ON THE AUDIT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I ENACTED.

WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SEE IF WE CAN CATCH IT SOONER.

AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE THREE DAYS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE AI, RIGHT? SO WHEN A SUPERVISOR RECEIVES, WHICH ALL SUPERVISORS, ONCE THEY LOG ON, IT'LL SHOW THEM IF THERE'S ANY FLAGS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND I'VE REQUIRED THAT A SUPERVISOR RESPOND WITHIN THREE DAYS TO BEGIN THAT INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE SOME DAYS YOU MIGHT HAVE A DAY OFF, OR THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS IN BETWEEN.

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AND THEN TALK ABOUT REDUCING THE ACTUAL DATA BEING SHARED, MAKING THE DECISION.

THAT'S ONLY GOING TO BE THE STATE OF TEXAS AS FAR AS THE CAMERAS ARE CONCERNED.

AND THEN THE RESTRICTION OF LIVE VIEW, RIGHT.

SO I NEED OFFICERS TO RESPOND TO THE SCENE. I DON'T NEED THEM TO BE ON THE CAMERA ITSELF TO BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING.

SO I MADE THE DECISION THAT ONLY THE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE ARK CAN VIEW THE LIVE, LIVE VIEW AS WELL AS SUPERVISORS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WHAT THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT HAVE DONE.

THIS IS JUST FLOCK INFORMATION. SO JUST IN THE LAST A LITTLE OVER 18 MONTHS, RIGHT, ABOUT TWO YEARS, 251 VEHICLES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED, 915 ARRESTS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH 12 MURDERS.

ALL OF THOSE TIES TO THE FLOCK INFORMATION, WHETHER IDENTIFYING THE SUSPECT OR LOCATING A SUSPECT AND 44 MISSING PERSONS.

JUST LAST WEEK, WE HAD A 91 YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO HAD DEMENTIA WHO HAD HEALTH CONCERNS.

AGAIN, WITH THE HEAT RELATED ISSUES, ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EASILY AND QUICKLY IDENTIFY WHERE SHE WAS TO GET HER AND BRING HER BACK.

AND THEN THE 2.7 MILLION, THAT'S A VERY LOW. ALL THESE ARE LOW NUMBERS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF ACTUALLY TRACKING HOW OFTEN THIS STUFF IS BEING USED.

SO THOSE ARE THE BARE BONES MINIMUM, BUT THAT 2.7 MILLION IS MORE THAN JUST THE CARS THAT ARE BEING RECOVERED.

I COULD SHOW YOU SOME STORIES THAT WERE PUSHED OUT BEFORE ABOUT THE VEHICLE THAT WAS HERE ON VACATION, AND THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THE AREA AND ALL THE, ALL THE TOYS AND THINGS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE VEHICLE.

THAT OUR OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO QUICKLY IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT VEHICLE AND WHERE IT WENT AND BE ABLE TO RECOVER THAT AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BACK TO THE OWNERS.

OVERALL, WHY DO WE USE THIS THING? IT'S ABOUT CAPABILITIES.

IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO FIND THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO THAT.

WE CAN UTILIZE THE RESOURCES, WHICH IS PEOPLE THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART.

THERE ARE CONTROLS AND THERE ARE RETENTION PERIODS.

AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED, WE DO AUDIT TRAILS SUPERVISORY REVIEWS AND OTHER DOCUMENTED POLICY.

I, AS THE CHIEF, WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR WHAT CASE LAW RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY PUSHED OUT AND HOW THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES AND THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ENHANCE OUR EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY WHILE KEEPING OUR OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITY SAFE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

AND THEN MY OVERALL, ONE OF MY OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS IS UTILIZING THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE DIGITAL DIGNITY, RIGHTS AND PRIVACY TO FURTHER EVALUATE THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP BY YOU IN THIS COUNCIL, IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WE STARTED THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND A SECOND COMMITTEE MEETING, I GUESS. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING.

AND AS YOUR CHIEF, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE DIRECTION ABOUT WHAT YOU HOPE FOR THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS IN TECHNIQUES THAT ARE OUT THERE, BUT IF YOU, THE COUNCIL DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH CERTAIN THINGS, I NEED TO KNOW THAT SO I CAN BEGIN TO PLAN. AND WHAT GRANTS THAT I CAN GO AFTER AND WHAT DIRECTION THAT YOU SEEK.

AND THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HERE IN AMARILLO. SO HERE'S WHERE THE QUESTIONS QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL. SO IN THE RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE HAVE YOU FOUND ANY COURT CASES, FEDERAL COURT CASES THAT HAVE SAID THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT? NO, SIR. THE USE OF ANY OF THESE CAMERAS. THERE IS ONE, I BELIEVE, OUT OF THE WASHINGTON STATE AREA THAT'S BEEN APPEALED, BUT NOTHING THAT I HAVE FOUND THAT SUGGESTS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ANY VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION.

I THINK THERE'S 30 PLUS CASES THAT I'VE SEEN AT VARYING DIFFERENT LEVELS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THERE'S, THERE HASN'T BEEN A SUPREME COURT DECISION AND WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT'LL TAKE TO REACH TO THAT POINT, BUT THE CLOSEST AND THE HIGHEST COURT THAT GOVERN US IS THAT FIFTH CIRCUIT.

AND THAT'S THE PORTER CASE. MATTER OF FACT, I THINK IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, 26, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, THE FEDERAL JUDGE THERE RULED THAT THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS ARE A VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT'S THE MOST RECENT THAT ONE WILL BE APPEALED, BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES AS FAR AS THE APPEALS COURT.

I APPRECIATE THE REPORT. CHIEF, JUST JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

ONE, I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC IS VERY WELL AWARE OF. WE JUST HAD AN INCIDENT NOT TOO LONG AGO, AN OFFICER THAT VIOLATED. LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY CHANGED SOME POLICIES WITH THE CHANGED POLICIES.

WOULD THAT HAVE CAUGHT THIS OFFICER SOONER? WOULD IT HAVE PREVENTED THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING? YEAH. I ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT THIS, SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT IT.

SO WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED? WELL, I DO HAVE TO BE CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION STILL ONGOING AS WELL AS A CIVIL ONE AS FAR AS ANY DISCIPLINE IS CONCERNED.

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BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, YES, THE AI AUDIT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT FLOC INSTITUTED, THEY DID ALERT ON THAT. WELL, AFTER WE HAVE ALREADY HANDLED WHAT WE HANDLED ON OUR SIDE.

SO, YES, THE INFORMATION WAS ORIGINALLY PROVIDED BY ONE OF A CONCERNED CITIZEN ABOUT HOW THE OFFICER WAS UTILIZING THAT INFORMATION.

BUT YES, I MAYBE A WEEK AGO, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT WAS PART OF ONE OF THE AUDITS THAT WAS GENERATED.

OKAY. SO YOU SHOWED US THAT LITTLE FORM. SO DOES EVERY EVERY PERSON THAT LOOKS OR EVERY OFFICER THAT LOOKS, DOES IT REQUIRE A CASE NUMBER WRITTEN JUSTIFICATION FOR ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE LPR.

YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO HISTORICAL THERE.

LOOKING BACK FOR HISTORICAL HITS, I GUESS. YES.

SO THE TWO REQUIRED FIELDS, ONE IS A REASON AND THEN IT'S FOLLOWED UP WITH WHAT'S THE REPORT NUMBER? OKAY. AND OFFICER IDENTITY AS WELL. I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S PRETTY EASY WHEN THEY'RE LOGGED ON TO THE SYSTEM.

THERE, I MEAN, PRESUMABLY THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE RUNNING THE SEARCH. OKAY.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO THAT UNLESS A WARRANT IS ISSUED OR IS THAT TOO FAR? WOULD THAT EVEN BE DOABLE? WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHY A WARRANT IS BEING ISSUED YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SUSPECT VEHICLE.

SO I GO BACK TO UTILIZING THESE CAMERAS AND LET'S SAY A HIT AND RUN.

THE OFFENSE HAPPENS, A LICENSE PLATE IS GIVEN, THE VEHICLE JUST LEFT THE SCENE.

WE WANT TO GO TALK TO THAT INDIVIDUAL. SO YES, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO GO DO A WARRANT, RIGHT? ONE. IS THAT CONSTITUTIONALLY NECESSARY? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. HOWEVER, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A JUDGE.

YOU'D HAVE TO WRITE UP AN AFFIDAVIT SWORE TO THAT AFFIDAVIT, GO FIND THE JUDGE.

AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HERE IN THIS AREA, YOU'D HAVE TO GO CONTACT THE DA, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE DA, WAIT FOR THAT RETURN. ONCE THAT'S SUBMITTED, THEN YOU'D GO BACK TO THE JUDGE TO GET IT SIGNED.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING WEEKS. SO WE WOULD LOSE SOME OF THE EFFECTIVENESS.

AND WITH YOUR NEW GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED, SEVEN DAYS.

IT'S GONE. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO OKAY. JUST A QUESTION.

SO I KNOW IT SAYS ACCESS LIMITED TO TEXAS DPS, COUNTY SHERIFFS AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY.

DO THEY HAVE COMPLETE ACCESS TO THAT? I MEAN, IS IT IS IT ALSO RESTRICTED THE WAY WE'RE RESTRICTING IT? SO DO OUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT LIVE FEEDS? DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY. IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE, DOES THAT STILL APPLY TO THEM? SO THE FLOCK CAMERA ITSELF IS JUST A PICTURE.

IT'S JUST A PICTURE IN TIME. SO THAT SAME SCREEN IS THE SAME SCREEN THAT EVERY OFFICER RECEIVES NO MATTER WHERE THEY'RE AT.

SO IF THEY RUN THAT SEARCH AND THEY HIT THE WHOLE STATE, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GET READS FROM THAT STATE IN PARTICULAR FOR US, SINCE WE'VE STOPPED THE FEEDS AT SEVEN DAYS, IF THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS EIGHT DAYS OLD, IT JUST WOULDN'T SHOW UP. IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE RESPONSES.

BUT YES, SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE COULD DO AN AUDIT OR DO A SEARCH, EXCUSE ME, OF A LICENSE PLATE, AND THEY COULD PUT THE WHOLE STATE OR THEY COULD PICK SPECIFIC CAMERAS, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. AND THEN YES, YOU'D GET THAT RESPONSE FROM US. AGAIN, WE WOULD ONLY SHOW SEVEN DAYS, BUT ANOTHER AGENCY COULD BE AT 30.

OTHER AGENCIES SUCH AS DALLAS HAVE EXTENDED THAT EVEN FURTHER, I THINK UP TO TWO YEARS.

WOW. OKAY. AND IT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT OUT LIKE A PUBLIC PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY REPORT THAT SHOWED CASES ASSISTED YOU KNOW, EVEN OUTSIDE AGENCIES REQUEST TO LOOK AT OUR STUFF.

I MEAN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT OUT EITHER SEMIANNUAL.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DURATION, BUT JUST THE USE OF IT AND HOW IT'S USED.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY COULD SEE EVERY HOW ARE THESE BEING USED? HOW OFTEN BY WHOM WHAT CASES THEY ASSISTED, WHAT OUTSIDE AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT THIS.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ANALYTICS ARE DEFINITELY THERE.

WE COULD JUST PUT IT OUT THERE. YES, SIR. IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. OKAY.

PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHIEF. WHO HAS WHO HAS ACCESS TO FLOCK? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO AND WHAT IS THEIR. ARE THERE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ACCESS WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION? YES. OKAY. SO OUR SWORN OFFICERS HAVE ACCESS TO IT WITHIN OUR OWN ORGANIZATION.

THERE WAS SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT WE GAVE ACCESS TO IN ANOTHER ENTITY THAT I STOPPED.

BUT UNDER OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THE CITY OF AMARILLO, AND IT'S JUST SWORN POLICE OFFICERS.

AND HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS IS THAT CURRENTLY? DO YOU HAVE BALLPARK? I THINK WE'RE LIKE 12 SHORT.

SO 300 AND WE'LL CALL IT 60. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW A BALLPARK OF HOW MANY SEARCHES ARE KIND OF DONE ON AVERAGE IN A MONTH?

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OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WITH THOSE 300 OFFICERS, HOW MANY, HOW MANY SEARCHES ARE THEY CONDUCTING? I DIDN'T LOOK FOR THAT. FOR THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY BRING IT BACK TO YOU. I WOULD ASSUME DEPENDING UPON THE SHIFT AND THE OFFICER, NOT EVERY OFFICER UTILIZES IT. DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT? SURE. BUT DO THEY DO THEY USE IT? NOT EVERYBODY USES IT.

YEAH, I WOULD BE WAY OFF IF I TRY TO MAKE A GUESS.

SURE. AND WHY WAS THE AND I KNOW FLOCK DID THIS, BUT YOU'RE FOLLOWING ARE THEY ANNOUNCED IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED IT EVERYWHERE, BUT WHY WAS THE DATA RETENTION MOVED FROM 30 DAYS TO SEVEN DAYS? YEAH. I GO BACK TO THAT CARPENTER CASE, AND ONE OF THE INFORMATION IS REALLY ABOUT THE OPINION OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT BEGAN TO MENTION, AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT IS LIMITING THAT DRAGNET AS THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED.

AND SO ANYTHING THEY, THEY CAME UP WITH AN OPINION.

AND IN THAT OPINION, SEVEN DAYS WAS MENTIONED.

BUT, BUT WHY, WHY FROM 30 TO 7? IT JUST I MEAN, IT LESSENS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSE, I GUESS, OR RECORDS ARE NOT THERE AS LONG. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TO REDUCE IS THE ARGUMENT OF WE'RE TRACKING PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE WATCHING THEIR LIFE PATTERNS.

OKAY. COULD IT BE LESS THAN SEVEN WITH WITHOUT DRAMATICALLY IMPACTING? I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONCERN HOW QUICKLY.

AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE SEARCH OF THE OFFICER.

IT'S WHEN DID WE RECOGNIZE THE OFFENSE OCCURRED? WHEN DID WE RECOGNIZE THE VEHICLE WAS STOLEN OR WHEN DID THOSE THINGS OCCUR? AND THAT'S WHY SEVEN DAYS. I MEAN, DID SOMEBODY GO ON VACATION? THEY COME BACK. THEIR HOUSE IS BROKEN INTO, YOU KNOW, OR WAS THE VEHICLE STOLEN AND THEY JUST DIDN'T REALIZE IT BECAUSE IT SITS IN A PROPERTY FOR SO LONG. OR THERE'S JUST IT'S WHEN THE CRIME WAS DISCOVERED IS REALLY SEVEN DAYS IS WHY WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER.

IT, IT COULD BE REDUCED. I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE IT WOULD BE AFTER THAT.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONVERSATIONS TALKING ABOUT 96 HOURS AS A, AS A MAGIC NUMBER.

BUT IT'S REALLY WHAT I WENT THROUGH IS A SEVEN DAY BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOES ON VACATION AND THEY REALIZE THEIR HOUSE IS BROKEN INTO, THEIR CAR WERE STOLEN. AND THEN WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT CARPENTER CASES IS I THINK I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S WHERE MY DECISION CAME FROM.

I CAN'T ANSWER FOR HIMSELF. RIGHT. IN CASES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

I MEAN, I MEAN, IS IT IS IT GENERALLY HAVE YOU HAS IT BEEN PEOPLE ACCESSING BACK INTO WEEKS AGO OR DO YOU KNOW IN OTHER CASES, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS? YES. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN A PATTERN ACROSS THE BOARD. IT ALL SEEMS PRETTY, VERY, VERY TYPICAL OF WHAT THE APPROACH HAS BEEN. IS SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP THAT RELATED INTO AND IT'S A SEARCH OVER TIME AND THEN THE AUDIT PROCESS, WHO REVIEWS THE AUDIT LOGS, HOW OFTEN, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? SO THE SUPERVISORS SO AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE DOING IT FOR, WE GOT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS NOW BECAUSE OF THE SEARCHES ARE CONCERNED.

ONE IS THAT FLAG THAT'S PRODUCED BY THE AI THAT SAYS, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNING BEHAVIOR.

WE WANT YOU TO LOOK INTO IT. AND FLOC IS FURTHER EVEN STEPPED OUT AND SAID THEY'RE GOING TO FREEZE THE ACCOUNT UNTIL THE ADMINISTRATOR BASICALLY TURNS IT BACK ON AFTER AN INVESTIGATION IS DONE. SO THE AI AUDITS ONE WAY, THE OTHER ONE IS THE RANDOM ONCE A MONTH TYPE SEARCH FOR THE SUPERVISOR.

AND TO THAT INFORMATION, YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO, OFFICER, WHAT DID YOU SEARCH FOR? IT HAS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE, WELL, ANYONE CAN PUT ANYTHING IN THERE UNLESS WE'RE SITTING RIGHT THERE OVER THAT INDIVIDUAL SHOULDER, UNLESS WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INTEGRITY.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE CHALLENGE COMES IN. YEAH.

AND THEN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS FLAGGING THIS WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN, WHEN IT'S SAYING, HEY, THERE'S AN ALERT OR SOMETHING GOING ON. WHAT, WHAT GENERALLY IS IT LOOKING FOR? WHAT IS IT. SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TIMES ONE LICENSE PLATE IS VIEWED.

SO IF ONE LICENSE PLATE IS VIEWED AND AND THE OFFICER PUTS IN TEN DIFFERENT REASONS, THAT'S ONE WAY.

ANOTHER ONE IS JUST A SHEER NUMBER. RIGHT. YOU LOOKED AT THIS THING FOR TEN TIMES IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, LIKE, LET'S SAY 96 HOURS OR SO. IT LOOKS AT THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THE LICENSE PLATE IS LOOKED AT AND VIEWED.

AND THEN SO THE JURISDICTIONS THAT WE SHARE WITH ARE, YOU SAID ONLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR FLOCK.

YES, SIR. FOR FLOCK. AND IS THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS GONE TO THE SEVEN DAY, OR DO WE SHARE WITH ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN FLOCK ITSELF IS AT 30 DAYS, BUT THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY THAT THEY'RE MOVING TO SEVEN DAYS. OKAY. AND THEN SO KIND OF HOW IT WORKS IF, IF A, A P D KNOWS A LICENSE PLATE, IF IT KNOWS MY LICENSE PLATE, HOW MUCH MOVEMENT CAN BE CAN AUTHORIZED USER RECONSTRUCT OF, OF SOMEONE'S MOVEMENTS USING THE CURRENT FLOCK NETWORK.

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YOU HAVE TO DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE MORE. IT'S BASICALLY WHERE THE CAMERA IS. SO IF YOU DRIVE ON ONE PORTION OF TOWN, SOMETIMES IT'S NEVER. IF YOU DRIVE IN ANOTHER SECTION OF TOWN, THERE MIGHT BE 2 OR 3 IN ONE SECTION OF TOWN.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT SAME THING. IF IT'S ON YOUR COURSE TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY YOU MIGHT SEE THE SAME CAMERA.

FOR INSTANCE, I LIVE DOWN, DOWN SOUTH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE MARKET STREET.

AND EVERY TIME I WENT TO MARKET STREET, IT WAS THERE. BUT IF I MADE A RIGHT HAND TURN, I NEVER WOULD HAVE SEEN A CAMERA.

SO IT REALLY BASED UPON WHERE YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING TO.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PICK UP EVERYONE'S HABITS ALL THE TIME.

IT'S, DID YOU PASS THIS ONE LOCATION? BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE CAMERAS THAT COULD SEE.

I MEAN, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO GO AND RECONSTRUCT.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC LICENSE PLATE TO RECONSTRUCT SOMEONE'S MOVEMENTS, IT CAN GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA, BUT IT CAN'T NECESSARILY GIVE SPECIFICS. SO YOU CAN MAKE SOME INFERENCES BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T TRACK YOU TO YOUR HOME, AND IT DOESN'T CONSTANTLY MONITOR EVERY TURN THAT YOU MAKE.

BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT TRACKING EVERY SINGLE MOVEMENT, BUT IT CAN WHEN YOU'RE, I GUESS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED, YOU PUT A LICENSE PLATE IN AND THEN IT CAN, IT CAN EITHER POP UP WHERE, WHERE THAT CAR HAS BEEN CORRECT? OR CAN IT TRACK IN REAL TIME OR CLOSE TO REAL TIME? SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU, I GUESS IT DOES HAVE LIKE A HOT LIST OR SOMETHING.

IF THERE'S SOMEONE YOU'RE LOOKING OUT THERE FOR. IF YOU HAVE A STOLEN VEHICLE, RIGHT, IT'LL ONCE THAT GOES AND REGISTERS THAT THING, IT PROVIDES AN ALERT. SO, SO IF FOR SOME REASON SOMEONE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE AND YOU CAN PUT THAT LICENSE PLATE NUMBER IN AND IT'S GOING TO, IT WILL GIVE YOU AN ALERT SHOWING THAT PERSON IS AT THIS INTERSECTION.

AND THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY FIVE MINUTES LATER SHOW THAT SOMEONE IS AT ANOTHER INTERSECTION.

THAT SAME PERSON IS AT ANOTHER INTERSECTION IF THERE'S ANOTHER CAMERA FURTHER AWAY. YEAH. OKAY.

DO, DO WE CURRENTLY USE FACIAL RECOGNITION OR ANY OTHER KIND OF BIOMETRIC? I KNOW THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF CAMERAS OR THINGS OUT THERE.

DO WE USE ANY OF THAT? YES. WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE USE THAT FOR? WHAT WHAT OTHER TYPES OF CAMERAS DO WE HAVE AND WHAT ARE WE USING THAT FOR? SO WHEN WE HAVE MISSING PERSONS, FOR INSTANCE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A PICTURE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY USE A PICTURE TO INPUT IT INTO LIKE WE DON'T, WE HAVE A PICTURE OF AN UNKNOWN PERSON AND WE HAVE A PICTURE OF A PERSON THAT'S KNOWN AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL BASED UPON WHAT WE INGEST.

IT'S ALL OPEN RECORDS OR I'M SORRY, OPEN SOURCE INFORMATION.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY INFORMATION.

IT'S ONLY ON A RESPONSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL, MEANING THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ALERTS ON EVERYBODY THAT SAYS THIS PERSON'S AT THIS SPOT.

UNLESS WE HAVE PUT THAT INTO THE SYSTEM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD USE IT FOR THAT THOUGH.

WELL, AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, RIGHT. WE HAVE SOME CAMERAS THAT ARE IN THE LOBBY. SO IF WE HAVE A PERSON WHO'S THREATENING THINGS AND THREATENING US, THEN YES, WE HAVE PUT THAT INFORMATION INTO THAT CAMERA.

IT'LL ALERT US WHEN THAT PERSON WALKS INSIDE AND ARE THERE.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE CAMERAS THAT HAVE THAT CAPABILITY ACROSS THE CITY OR THE, THE FACIAL RECOGNITION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

THERE ARE CAMERAS THAT HAVE IT. YES, SIR. I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHICH ONES, BUT IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH FLACK AND AXON.

ARE THEY ARE THEY ARE THOSE ON A CLOSED NETWORK? YES, SIR. BUT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE AND YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THEIR FACE, IF THEY GO BY ONE CAMERA, IT WOULD ALERT YOU THAT THERE'S THEY'RE THERE.

AND THEN THEY COULD GO TO ANOTHER CAMERA WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY AND IT WOULD ALERT YOU TO THAT.

YES, SIR. BUT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW WE ONLY USE THAT FOR MISSING PERSONS.

WE HAVE UTILIZED IT FOR MURDER SUSPECT AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE WANTED.

YES. DO DO ANY OF OUR EXISTING CAMERAS OUTSIDE OF FLOCK HAVE KIND OF AI BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS OR OTHER CAPABILITIES THAT MAY BE ARE AVAILABLE, BUT MAYBE NOT CURRENTLY ACTIVATED.

NOT BEHAVIORAL. MAYBE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT A CAR AND A BICYCLE LOOKS LIKE, BUT NOTHING.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. YES, THERE IS SOME TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE, BUT NO, WE DON'T HAVE IT.

AND GOING BACK TO THE FACIAL RECOGNITION. I MEAN, IS IT JUST GENERALLY ACCEPTED THAT THOSE ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES, OR ARE THERE POLICIES IN PLACE THAT SAY THIS IS WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR AND THIS CANNOT BE USED FOR THIS? YES, SIR. THERE IS POLICIES IN PLACE ON HOW WE USE IT, AND IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CAN ONLY INGEST THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. AND THEN WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY, I GUESS, TO ACTIVATE A NEW CAPABILITY OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE HOW AN EXISTING CAMERA SYSTEM IS USED.

ME. OKAY. AND ARE THERE CAMERAS OR TECHNOLOGIES THAT MAYBE WE'VE DECIDED NOT TO USE FOR, FOR ANY

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SPECIFIC REASON OR THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED WITH? I THINK YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, WHAT KIND OF DIFFERENT SOFTWARE IS AVAILABLE TO SEE ONE.

IS THERE A COST SAVINGS? IS THERE A DIFFERENT CAPABILITY THAT IT COULD OR SHOULD PROVIDE US.

SO YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS A CONSTANT RESEARCHING OF, OF HOW WE BEST UTILIZE OUR RESOURCES, RIGHT? AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, I THINK, I THINK BRIAN HAS LEFT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT NOW I'M HEARING OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS PURCHASING FLOCK CAMERAS OR FLOCK SYSTEMS. IS THAT HAVE YOU HEARD THAT AS WELL? YEAH, THEY ARE.

AND IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM. THEY DON'T GET OUR INFORMATION, BUT THEY CAN ELECT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH OTHERS. OKAY.

SO THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, I GUESS IF THEY WANTED TO FROM PURCHASING THAT HERE IN AMARILLO.

CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. VERY INFORMATIVE. ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. SO THE THING THAT MAKES THESE CAMERAS SO CONTROVERSIAL IS THE FACT THAT THEY'RE CAMERAS AND THEY'RE TAKING PICTURES OF MOTOR VEHICLES, PEOPLE IN, IN CROWDS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS HAS HAD ACCESS TO THE SYSTEMS IN THE PAST, HAVEN'T THEY THAT TRACK PEOPLE? YES, SIR. RIGHT.

NCIC IAFIS CODEX INDEX. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO TYPE SOMEBODY'S NAME IN A LICENSE PLATE OR WHATEVER, IT'S STILL A TRACKING SYSTEM THAT WE USED WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT EXISTED AT THE TIME.

LOOKING FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION? YES, SIR. I KNOW WHEN I STARTED, WE HAD TO TURN ON OUR OUR MICROPHONES WHEN WE WENT INTO PLACES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE BODY CAMERAS AT THAT TIME.

SO THAT THE DISPATCHER COULD HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON.

RIGHT. SO THAT WAS USE OF TECHNOLOGY AT THE TIME WHEN IT WAS ABUSED, IT WAS UP TO ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND DISCIPLINE THOSE THAT ABUSED IT. ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE KNOW THAT THOSE SYSTEMS WERE ABUSED IN THE PAST.

YES, SIR. AND THOSE PEOPLE ENDED UP FIRED AND MOST LIKELY IN JAIL.

SO THIS SYSTEM ISN'T ANYTHING DIFFERENT AS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT.

CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

CHIEF. THANK YOU. IT'S A GOOD PRESENTATION. IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT CAN GET EVEN BETTER. AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU, YOU.

WELL, WHAT I'M WATCHING YOU DO IS I'M WATCHING YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.

AND SO FOR THAT, WE APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, WE SIT ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE.

AND SO WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC AT LARGE AND WE NEED TO REPRESENT THIS CONCERN ADEQUATELY.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, I HEARD SERGEANT HUDSON SAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AT A, I THINK IT WAS AN A POA MEETING. HE SAID, WE POLICE AT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD REGISTERED THAT I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THAT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST AN INVOLUNTARY TRUST THAT WAS REQUIRED OF ME.

SO I JUST HAVE TO SUBMIT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND WHEN YOU REALLY KIND OF GET ON THIS SIDE, YOU SEE HOW FEW OF YOU GUYS THERE REALLY ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HOW MANY PATROL CARS THERE ARE.

THE OVERLAP THAT DOESN'T EXIST LIKE WE, WE SEE IN DFW METRO, YOU KNOW, AREA.

AND SO WHEN YOU COMBINE SHERIFFS, A PD, MAYBE A FEW OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT DPS WE, THE PEOPLE HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS. AND SO THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ONE SIDED.

RIGHT. I THINK IT, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO TAKE A MINUTE TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF IT.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS I'D ASK FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT CARE TO LISTEN TO, TO MAYBE START WITH THE CONVERSATION IN YOUR MIND OF THERE'S VOLUNTARY TRUST THAT'S GIVEN AND THEN THERE'S INVOLUNTARY TRUST.

AND SO WE'RE ONLY ASKING YOU TO HELP US MANAGE THE VOLUNTARY TRUST THAT WE GIVE YOU.

SO WE THE PEOPLE GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE TRUST OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT AND SERVE.

AND THAT BADGE AND THAT GUN COME WITH A HEAVY WEIGHT.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S WHY WE CALL YOU LOCAL HEROES.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TO TRUST YOU WITH.

YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE GUN THAT'S ON YOUR YOUR HIP.

SO I WOULD LOOK AT IT. ANYTHING CAN BE WEAPONIZED.

MEDIA CAN BE WEAPONIZED, YOU KNOW SOCIAL MEDIA CAN BE WEAPONIZED.

WE DEFINITELY SEE THAT. SO, SO DATA AND SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS CAN BE WEAPONIZED.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS NOT A PLACE TO LAND WHERE WE HAVE AN ELIMINATION OF RISK.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR US TO WORK TOWARDS A REDUCTION OF RISK.

AND THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT TO BE PRETTY UPFRONT AND SAY, OKAY, WE DO HAVE A CONCERN HERE FOR THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM.

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YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN WITH THAT OTHER OFFICER FOR 30 YEARS AND MAYBE HE HAS ABUSED SOMETHING THERE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TURN HIM IN, AND YOU'RE THE ONLY GUY LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER. THERE'S A RISK THERE THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY MITIGATING.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS JUST A FEW ADDITIONAL STEPS THAT I THINK WE COULD ALLOW FOR TRUST ON BOTH SIDES TO BE GIVEN, WITH THE HOPE THAT WE COULD WALK THIS THING OUT SLOWLY ENOUGH TO SEE WHERE, WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO GO AS A POPULATION.

SO ON MY END, I TAKE THE PHONE CALL OF, WE WANT THEM ALL TAKEN DOWN.

WE WANT EVERY CAMERA TAKEN DOWN. OKAY. IS THAT TRUE? YOU WANT LIBRARY TO NOT HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS? LIKE WHERE WE DON'T FILM THE FRONT DOOR? THE TRASH TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CAMERAS THAT ARE ON THEM, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN HELP GPS LOCATE ALL THE, THE BULK ITEMS YOU KNOW, BODY CAMERAS, I THINK PROTECT ME. I LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE OFFICER IS HAVING TO RECORD HIS ACTIONS, NOT JUST MINE. RIGHT. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OFF THE TABLE FOR THE DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL. I DON'T THINK I'M LOOKING FOR A POLICY THAT NECESSARILY SPEAKS TO DASH CAMS. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT THESE PATROL CARS HAVE CAMERAS IN THEM, AND THAT THEY DO HAVE TECHNOLOGY, AND THEY HAVE HAD FOR SOME TIME. MAYBE WE CAN REVISIT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE THE SOURCE OF THE ISSUE IS.

I DON'T THINK THE BODY CAMS ARE THE ACTUAL ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC CAMERAS THAT DETECT MOTION SO THAT WHEN YOU PULL UP TO IT, THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN.

I DON'T THINK I'M TRYING TO HAVE A HUNDRED PAGE POLICY MANUAL THAT GETS INTO THAT DEPTH.

WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WORK TOGETHER A STRUCTURE THAT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE FACIAL RECOGNITION WHO, WHO IS OVERSEEING AND WHO IS DOING THE AUDIT? HOW OFTEN ARE THE FREQUENCIES? AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO VOLUNTARILY TRUST YOU GUYS WITHIN SOME GUARDRAILS.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM CITIZENS IS THAT IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S NO GUARDRAILS.

THEY JUST HEARD FOR THE FIRST TIME TWO WEEKS AGO THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE ALL UP OVER TOWN.

WELL, REALLY, 2019 IS PROBABLY THE FLOCK CAMERA INITIATION.

AND SO FOR SEVEN YEARS YOU'VE HAD FLOCK CAMERAS ALL OVER MAIN INTERSECTIONS ALL ACROSS TOWN.

AND THEN THE ARC ITSELF IS A GREAT TOOL THAT ALLOWS US TO ORGANIZE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IN ORDER TO FIGHT CRIME MORE EFFICIENTLY.

IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU, BUT I THINK THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT THE CAPABILITIES ARE INSIDE OF THE ARC THAT YOU COULD TRACK AND TRACE ME, THAT YOU COULD KNOW WHERE I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE I GO, ALL OF THAT.

I THINK THAT COULD BE ELIMINATED TO A GREAT LEVEL IF, IF WE PUT A FEW PROTOCOLS.

SO LET ME COME UP WITH A FEW MAYBE NOT SO GREAT IDEAS HERE, RIGHT? MAYBE THESE ARE A LITTLE ROUGH AND, AND TOO FAR, BUT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THEM EVEN IF IT OFFENDS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE. ONE SIDE OF THE OF THE CONVERSATION.

SO IN TRYING TO REDUCE RISK, NOT ELIMINATE RISK, AND IN TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS OVERSIGHT, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN OVERWATCH COMMITTEE. I THINK WE CAN HAVE A COMMITTEE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL RETIRED, MAYBE RESERVE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO SOME GOOD PEOPLE THAT I THINK HAVE SERVED THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE THE DATA, SEE THE REPORTS, BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AUDIT.

SO YOU'VE GOT A POLICY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOING TO AUDIT THE FACT THAT I'M A I'M A POLICE OFFICER.

I'VE PULLED THAT SAME LICENSE PLATE 16 TIMES OVER THE LAST 12 DAYS.

AND SO YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S NOT GOOD. WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM HERE.

WELL, WHERE DOES THAT GO? WILL YOU DO THE AUDIT? BUT WE DON'T KNOW. YOU DID THE AUDIT, RIGHT. THAT OVERWATCH COMMITTEE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE CORRECTIVE ACTION.

THEY'D BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE, I WOULD SAY. AND SO IT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME TRUST TO KNOW THAT THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM WOULDN'T BE FUNCTIONAL IN THAT.

SO AN OVERWATCH COMMITTEE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S LIMITED TO JUST THE WAY WE USE THESE CAMERAS.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS NEEDS TO STEP INTO NARCOTICS OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF LIKE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING IT GOES TO THE TASK FORCE.

I AM JUST SAYING THAT IN GENERAL, THE WAY THAT WE DO THIS AND HERE'S WHY I'D LIKE TO DO THIS.

YOU SAID YOU WANT TO RESTRICT OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THESE CAMERAS.

I ALMOST WANT TO GO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. I WANT TO LET ALL THE OFFICERS LOOK AT THEM.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO LET ALL THE CITIZENS LOOK AT THEM.

SO I LOOK AT TECHS DOT AND IF I PULL UP, YOU KNOW, ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY WEBSITE, IF THEY'VE GOT CAMERAS ON I-40, I CAN SEE THOSE LIVE STREAMS ON MY TABLET OR ON MY PHONE.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY FOR US TO TAKE THESE INTERSECTION CAMERAS AND LET ALL OF US SEE WHAT YOU GUYS SEE.

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NOW, WE DON'T NEED TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH IT, PER SE.

THAT'S MORE THE OVERWATCH COMMITTEE OR ANYBODY THAT WOULD TAKE ME UP ON MY OFFER TO GO ON A TOUR OVER THERE AT THE ARC.

I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH IT. CHIEF CAN CAN BE THERE OR PERSONNEL.

WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE CAPABILITIES REALLY ARE. I'VE DONE THIS ONCE.

I'VE OFFERED IT MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S SURPRISING TO ME THAT MORE PEOPLE HAVEN'T TAKEN ME UP ON THAT.

BUT I'LL SPEAK THAT OUT HERE. WE CAN SCHEDULE IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TOGGLE THOSE CAMERA VIEWS.

I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME PREDATORIAL, SO I DON'T NEED A CAMERA LOOKING INTO A PARK OR AN INTERSECTION THAT TRACKS THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT SOMEBODY COULD WATCH THAT LIVE STREAM AND SEE WHERE THAT LADY LIKES TO JOG AT 6 A.M.

EVERY MORNING, MEANING WE WOULD HAVE SOME PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TIE THOSE TOGETHER.

BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD GIVE US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR WE THE PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS YOU'RE NOT LOOKING IN MY BACKYARD. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT THAT CAMERA DOESN'T LOOK ACROSS THE STREET INTO MY BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, INTO MY SHOP. RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IT'S POINTED DOWN AND IT'S ONLY THERE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ME. MAYBE SCRATCH MY NOSE AT THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE, THE CAPABILITIES I THINK ARE THERE THAT THAT SHOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF IT.

I THINK THAT YOUR POLICY ALONG WITH THE AUDITS ARE REALLY GOOD.

I WANT TO CORRECT A FEW THINGS. SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, I THINK IT WAS STATED THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY POLICIES.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN, YOU KNOW, PROTOCOLS. WE DO.

YOU'VE IMPROVED UPON THOSE AND YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE.

I THINK WHAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT ME IN THIS I'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE A GOOD STEP FORWARD IN WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE TAKE THAT SYSTEM AS IT'S BUILT OUT AND WE DO POST IT TO THE WEBSITE AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE CAMERAS.

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF WE PUT TOGETHER AN OVERWATCH COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS AT THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST SHELF THIS CONVERSATION AND SAY WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. I ALSO DON'T WANT TO JUST CONSIDER WE'RE AGAINST IT.

WE WANT THEM TAKEN DOWN. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE THE THE PERSON WHO'S HAD YOUR CHILD KIDNAPED, RIGHT.

I, I DO WANT IT TO BE AT THAT LEVEL. SO WHEN WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, LET'S LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THIS, RIGHT. IF YOU'RE THE VICTIM, WAS THAT CAMERA SYSTEM BENEFICIAL TO YOU? AND THEN HOW DO WE PREVENT YOU FROM BECOMING THE VICTIM? BECAUSE THAT CAMERA SYSTEM WAS THERE. BOTH CAN BE RIGHTLY BALANCED, BUT WE GOTTA BALANCE IT, NOT JUST THROW OUR HANDS UP, GET ON ONE SIDE OF THE TEETER TOTTER OR THE OTHER.

I DON'T KNOW. MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS FACIAL RECOGNITION CAPABILITY.

I THINK WE USE AN APP OR NOT AN APP, I'M SORRY, AN AI SOFTWARE THAT CAN MATCH UP PHOTOS WITH PEOPLE AND TELL US WHO THEY ARE.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST BASED ON WHAT WE FEED THAT I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE FLOCK IS NECESSARILY USING THE BIOMETRIC DATA AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST RESTATE FOR THE RECORD, AS MANY TIMES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, WE ARE NOT SELLING OR SHARING ANY OF THIS DATA WITH ANYONE.

AND THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM DOES NOT FEED TO THEIR SERVER.

IT STAYS IN OUR CLOSED LOOP. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THEY HAVE A BIG SERVER THAT IT GOES INTO.

HOWEVER, IT'S ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY.

NO ONE ELSE CAN GET ACCESS TO IT. THEY DON'T SELL THAT ACCESS TO ANYONE ELSE.

OKAY. WELL THEN MY LAST MY LAST REQUEST WOULD BE I WOULD TAKE THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM DOWN IF I NEED TO.

AND I THINK WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT IF IT'S NEEDED.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO ENTERTAIN DOING THAT. IF WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE COULDN'T PROTECT IT WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DATA IS NOT SHARED SOLD, THEN THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

BUT I AM NO RESPECTER OF COMPANIES. SO IF VERKADA IS EASIER TO WORK WITH AND WE CAN GET THE SAME SAFETY PROTOCOLS OUT OF IT, THEN I THINK THE THE FLOCK CONTRACT IS UP WHEN IT'S UP.

AND SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, OUR PRIORITIES ARE WITH OUR CITIZENS AND VALIDATING THEIR CONCERNS, NOT IN NAME BRAND RECOGNITION. SO CAMERA CAPABILITIES MATTER, BUT THE ABILITY TO ELIMINATE THE THREAT OF THAT LEAVING OUR CLOSED SYSTEM WOULD BE AS IMPORTANT TO ME AS ANYTHING.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IF WE TAKE A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT A KEY POINT OF CONCERN THAT SOMEBODY CAN CONTINUE TO NEVER GET COMFORTABLE WITH.

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SO I DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

AND WE'VE STOOD BEHIND THIS THE ENTIRE TIME WE'VE SAT UP HERE AND SERVED.

SO WE IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ARE GOING TO BE THE COUNCIL THAT HAS TO LOOK AT YOU, THE CITIZEN, AND SAY, HEY, I'M SORRY WE TOOK AWAY LAW ENFORCEMENT'S ABILITY TO PROTECT YOU.

SO WE CANNOT DO THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IN THE SAME BREATH, WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY THAT WE ARE FULLY BALANCED AND THAT WE HAVE PUT IN EVERY PROTECTIVE PROTOCOL FOR YOU, THE CITIZEN, THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. AND CHIEF, I'M ENCOURAGED WITH YOU.

I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE EVERY EVERY BIT OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PUT TOGETHER AS MUCH OF A RISK PROOF PLAN AS WE CAN.

WE HAVE FOLLOW UP. NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCILMAN.

NO, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I MEAN, THERE WAS A WORD HERE MENTIONED EARLIER AND IT'S ABOUT TRUST.

AND I, I TRUST THE CHIEF. I TRUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'VE SEEN THEM IN ACTION. I TRUST OUR CITY STAFF.

I TRUST THIS COUNCIL. WHAT I DON'T TRUST IS PEOPLE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHO ARE GOING TO BE UP HERE, WHO ARE GOING TO BE LEADING IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I CAN TRUST THEM OR NOT.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE PEOPLE ARE HAVING.

AND POLICY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT IS A POLICY ABOUT ALL THE CAMERAS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

I KNOW, I KNOW, THIS WAS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME CLEAR DEFINITION.

TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING VERY FAST, AND I THINK IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE COURTS.

I DON'T THINK THE COURT SYSTEM IS IS THEY'RE PROBABLY BEHIND.

THEY'RE GOING TO CATCH UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. BUT GOOD POLICY IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST TRUSTING THE PEOPLE IN OFFICE TODAY.

IT SHOULD PROTECT CITIZENS NO MATTER WHO IS IN OFFICE TOMORROW.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS CONCERNING SOME PEOPLE ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S NOT THAT IT THE ISSUE ISN'T WHETHER THE TECHNOLOGY HAS VALUE.

IT CLEARLY DOES. THE ISSUE IS WHETHER GOVERNMENT CAN BE TRUSTED TO POLICE ITS OWN USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT. AND ONE THING I MEAN, I GUESS I KIND OF AGREE.

WE HAVE WE HAVE AUDITS, WE HAVE ALL TYPES OF OUTSIDE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO COME IN, PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE TRAINED TO LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

I'VE GOT TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A THIRD PARTY OUT THERE WITH ALL THIS GOING ON THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO WE CHECK IT, BUT BUT ON THINGS OF IMPORTANCE LIKE MONEY AND ON PEOPLE'S PRIVACY, PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY CHECK THE CHECKERS TO MAKE SURE, IS THERE ANYTHING OUT THERE ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE WE COULD HAVE A THIRD PARTY? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S. BUT I THINK WHAT WHAT WHEN GOVERNMENT HAS THE ABILITY TO RECONSTRUCT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, SAFEGUARDS HAVE GOT TO BE AS TIGHT.

AND SOMETIMES IT MAY NEED TO INCLUDE MORE THAN INTERNAL POLICY.

IT SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT REVIEW, TRANSPARENCY, ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS HERE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN I STARTED OFF THIS, THIS, THIS CONVERSATION, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG.

WHAT DO I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT? BUT I'LL TELL YOU, SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THEIR OPINION, BUT I'M HERE TO TURN THE LIGHTS OFF FOR SOME REASON.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE I DO LIE ON THIS AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT I TELL YOU GOVERNOR DESANTIS AND I, I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, STATES AND CONSERVATIVE LEADERS SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE NEED TO KIND OF CALL A TIME OUT ON THIS.

GOVERNOR DESANTIS SAYS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THEIR INTENT, I GUESS, POLICE TO DO GENERAL SURVEILLANCE.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IF WE HAD ALL THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH WITH COVID HAPPENING, YOU ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE SAW THOSE TURNED ON PEOPLE WHO WERE OUTSIDE OF LOCKDOWN ORDERS IN CALIFORNIA. I'D SAY THEY'VE PROBABLY BEEN IN NEW MEXICO.

AND YOU SAY, WELL, THAT CAN NEVER HAPPEN IN TEXAS.

THERE'S A TIDE TURNING IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO TURN TO.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS TO PROVIDE THE PRIVACY.

I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY IS IN A PUBLIC, PRIVATE, PUBLIC PLACE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO PRIVACY, BUT I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY THOUGHT, WOW, THEY COULD TRACK ALL MY MOVEMENTS IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CONCERNING PEOPLE. NOT THAT ANYTHING'S BEING DONE, BUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

SO MY REQUEST WOULD BE, LET'S LOOK AT OVERALL POLICIES.

AND IF A CAMERA FITS THE DON'T LET'S DON'T DESIGN THE POLICIES TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THIS CAMERA, EXCLUDE THIS CAMERA, WE SHOULD COME UP WITH POLICIES THAT WE FEEL THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND CAMERAS THAT FALL INSIDE THAT POLICY WE KEEP.

IF THERE ARE CAMERAS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THE POLICY, WE SAY WE NO LONGER ARE GOING TO USE THOSE CAMERAS ACROSS THE CITY.

THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST. I DEFINITELY HEAR THAT REQUEST.

I THINK THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, CHIEF AND STAFF PROBABLY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO, TO GO OUT AND TAKE THAT NEXT STEP. I'D SUMMARIZE WITH AGREEING WITH MY COUNCILMAN NEVER TRUST THE GOVERNMENT.

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I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD WAY TO LIVE YOUR LIFE. YOU CAN TRUST THIS ONE, JUST NOT THE FUTURE ONE.

NO, I WOULDN'T ASK FOR THIS ONE. I'M SAYING THAT IN THE WAY GOVERNANCE IS SET UP, YOUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE.

YOU KNOW, IN THE CONSTITUTION YOU KNOW, A WELL REGIMENTED, WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA.

RIGHT. AND THAT MAY BE WHAT WE USED TO HAVE. AND, AND I LOVE HAVING A WELL ARMED SOCIETY THAT IS STILL ORGANIZED, BUT THAT OVERLAPS INTO YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF, YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF, YOUR LOCAL POLICE CHIEF IS YOUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST, A ROGUE MILITARY OR ANY GOVERNMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.

LOCAL MATTERS MOST, AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSEST TO YOU LOCALLY THAT YOU KNOW ARE YOUR FRIENDS, NOT YOUR ENEMIES. AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE AN ENEMY OUT THERE, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT TAKING ANY OF THE CAPABILITIES AWAY FROM OUR LOCAL CHIEF OR OUR LOCAL SHERIFF, THEN WE NEED TO BE SURE WE CAN EXTEND THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO 300 ZERO FEET.

AND SO THERE ARE OTHER SYSTEMS IN PLACE, AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MOVING.

AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOUR TRUST OF THE GOVERNMENT.

I AM SAYING WE SHOULD TRUST OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE DO.

RIGHT. SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE ALL THE THE HEADWAY ON THIS.

THIS IS THE START OF A CONVERSATION, NOT THE END OF ONE.

RIGHT. SO I WOULD ASK AS WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU GUYS TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S TIME,

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THREE MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF YOU AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BEING AVAILABLE. I ALREADY HAD ONE GENTLEMAN TAKE ME UP ON MY TOUR, SO WE'LL SCHEDULE A TOUR OF THE ARK.

AND I'LL, I'LL I'LL FIGURE OUT WHEN WE CAN DO IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I'LL INVITE AS MANY OF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME.

AND IF WE HIT A CAPACITY LIMIT, THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE MULTIPLE TOURS.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT. WE'RE NOT QUITE READY FOR ITEM 4.2.

WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.

AND SO I DO WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT. MISS CITY SECRETARY, ARE YOU STILL OVER THERE? HELLO? I'M WORKING ON IT. ARE YOU ABOUT READY? IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DO LIKE TO HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD, THAT IS IMPORTANT.

SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD ASK WHILE SHE'S GETTING READY.

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME OVER AND GIVE HER YOUR NAME.

ADDRESS. IF YOU'RE A CITY YOU KNOW, A CITIZEN IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT THEN IF YOU DON'T DO THAT AND YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AT THE END, YOU SAY, HEY, I STILL WANT TO TALK. THAT'S OKAY TOO.

WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU TALK. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SKIP OUT ON ANY OF THIS, BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, MAKE YOUR WAY OVER THERE SO SHE CAN PUT YOUR YOUR NAME DOWN.

AND WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOU. AND THEN SOMETIMES WE REFER YOU TO STAFF SO THEY CAN HELP YOU.

AND SO IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT A CELL PHONE DOWN, IT'S ALWAYS NICE.

SO WE CAN CONTACT YOU AFTERWARDS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ALONGSIDE YOU.

YOU'RE OUR CUSTOMER. IN PUBLIC COMMENT. I MEAN, DECORUM IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE A HARD TIME WITH.

CRITICISM IS WELCOME, ESPECIALLY OF POLICIES, BUT NOT OF PEOPLE.

AND SO WE'LL ASK YOU TO SEPARATE OUT YOUR CRITICISM OF MAYBE THE CITY IN GENERAL TO ANY ONE PARTICULAR PERSON.

I APPRECIATE THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S CRITICIZED MORE THAN HIS FAIR SHARE.

AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR BEING WILLING TO SPEAK HERE AT THIS POINT.

I'M JUST BUYING A LITTLE TIME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'S QUITE READY. OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR ITEM 4.2. MISS CITY SECRETARY, THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WE VALUE YOUR INPUT AND APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANY PUBLIC HEARING AT 2.5 MINUTES.

A SINGLE BEEP WILL SIGNAL 30S REMAINING. WHEN TIME IS UP, THE TIMER WILL BEEP CONTINUOUSLY.

PLEASE STAY WITHIN YOUR ALLOTTED TIME. WE HAVE MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM WITH A HEARING, PLEASE DO SO EITHER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT OR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT BOTH TO ENSURE ACCURATE RECORDS. WE'LL BE USING BOTH PODIUMS TODAY AND WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM. WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN, STATE YOUR NAME AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE WITHIN AMARILLO CITY LIMITS BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. FOR TOPICS NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT LIMITS HOW COUNCIL MAY RESPOND.

COUNCIL MAY PROVIDE FACTUAL STATEMENTS, ASK FOR THE ISSUE TO BE ADDED TO A FUTURE AGENDA OR REFER YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER SO STAFF CAN VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR CONCERN.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK BUT HAVEN'T SIGNED UP YET, PLEASE COME SEE ME NOW TO FILL OUT A FORM SO WE CAN ADD YOU TO THE LIST.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL INVITE JOSEPH ROGERS AS OUR FIRST SPEAKER AND COURTNEY BROWN WILL BE ON DECK.

MR. ROGERS, YOU MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

JUST SOME THOUGHTS. THE CHIEF MADE A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.

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SOME ISSUES THAT I HAVE, EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AND SAID IT DIDN'T APPLY.

EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS ABOUT PRIVACY. AND THERE'S A CURRENT A RECENT SUPREME COURT CASE VERSUS US THAT TALKS ABOUT UNREASONABLE SEARCHES, WHICH IS FOURTH AMENDMENT THAT HAD TO DO WITH GEOFENCING, BUT IT DOES HAVE APPLICABILITY TO CAMERAS, PARTICULARLY LICENSE PLATE READERS.

I WAS I WAS RATHER CONFUSED. THE CHIEF SAID THAT THERE'S A SEVEN DAY RETENTION PERIOD, BUT BUT LATER ON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THIS. HE SAID THAT AFTER SEVEN DAYS, THAT DATA DOESN'T SHOW UP.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THE DATA DESTROYED OR IS IT KEPT AND IT JUST DOESN'T COME BACK.

BECAUSE IF THE DATA IS KEPT, THAT THAT TO ME IS IS EGREGIOUS.

MOST OF THIS DATA THAT IS CUT IS ABOUT IS CAUGHT FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE INNOCENT AND AREN'T.

THEY AREN'T SUSPECTED OF ANY KIND OF CRIME. AND THAT DATA IS COLLECTED AND KEPT.

AND APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO THE CHIEF, IT LIVES ON.

IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW UP. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REAL TRANSPARENCY AND AND AND REALLY TAKE PEOPLE'S PRIVACY INTO ACCOUNT AND TREAT IT SERIOUSLY. THAT DATA SHOULD BE DESTROYED, SHOULD NOT JUST NOT SHOW UP IN A SEARCH.

I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT ABOUT THIS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.

THE CITY IS DOING THIS PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS IT TO DO SO.

I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER AREA WHERE YOU WOULD SAY TAKE TAKE DATA FROM PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN OTHERWISE, BUT JUST KEEP IT JUST IN CASE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TAKING PRIVATE INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE'S WHEREABOUTS, AND WE'RE KEEPING IT WITHOUT A WARRANT, WITHOUT ANY SUSPICION AT ALL. AND TO ME, THAT'S ANTITHETICAL TO THE UNITED STATES AND TO AND TO THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY IMPLICATED HERE.

THE SEVEN DAY IF YOU'RE NOT DELETING THE DATA, THE SEVEN DAY DOESN'T MATTER.

IT COULD BE 30, IT COULD BE TWO YEARS. BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS IT LIVES ON IN PERPETUITY.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO CUT IT SHORT. I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT THIS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE COLLECTING DATA AND KEEPING DATA FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN ARE INNOCENT AND PRESUMED INNOCENT AND PROBABLY ARE INNOCENT.

I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GIVE THIS A LOT OF CONSIDERATION.

AND IF THERE IS A COMMITTEE OF OF CITIZENS I WOULD LOVE TO BE INVOLVED IN WHATEVER WAY I COULD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.

AFTER MISS BROWN, WE WILL HAVE JACKSON BILBREY.

YOU CAN BEGIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

COUNCILMAN. MY NAME IS COURTNEY BROWN. I'M AN AMARILLO RESIDENT, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE AMARILLO REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM ALLIANCE.

I'M HERE TO STAND AGAINST THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS IN AMARILLO.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GOVERNMENTS AND THOSE IN POSITIONS OF POWER, ABILITY TO TRACK ITS CITIZENS MOVEMENTS AND VIOLATE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

THESE CAMERAS ARE USED UNDER THE GUISE OF PROTECTION AND SECURITY.

BUT AFTER TIME AND TIME, WE HAVE SEEN POLICE OFFICERS USE CAMERAS TO STALK AND VIOLATE THE FREEDOMS AND PRIVACY THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON.

AAFA HAS LONG FOUGHT FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF AMARILLO CITIZENS RIGHT TO PRIVACY, RIGHT TO INTERSTATE TRAVEL WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE AND BODILY AUTONOMY.

YET WE HAVE SEEN THE ESCALATING RISE OF A PATTERN OF ABUSE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO VIOLATE OUR RIGHTS, USING A SYSTEM THAT TRACKS THE MOVEMENTS OF ITS CITIZENS TO SCHOOLS, TO CHURCHES, OR SIMPLY HOME.

WE SAW AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WHEN AN ABUSIVE EX-BOYFRIEND ACCUSED HIS GIRLFRIEND OF HAVING AN ABORTION WEEKS AFTER IT ALLEGEDLY OCCURRED.

83,000 CAMERAS WERE USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO TRACK THIS WOMAN'S MOVEMENTS.

EVEN IN STATES WHERE THE PROCEDURE IS LEGAL, USING THE SEARCH HAD AN ABORTION SEARCH FOR FEMALE.

SHOULD WE GIVE UP OUR RIGHT TO FREELY TRAVEL WITHIN THIS COUNTRY AND GIVE OUR GOVERNMENT THE ABILITY TO TRACK US SIMPLY FOR BEING ACCUSED OF A CRIME.

NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT HITS CLOSER TO HOME.

ONE OF OUR OWN CITIZENS WAS STALKED BY A MEMBER OF OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HOW ARE WE TO FEEL SAFE WHEN AN OFFICER ILLEGALLY SEARCHES FOR ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS? NUMEROUS TIMES HE DEEMED A ROMANTIC RIVAL.

HE WASN'T A THREAT. HE DIDN'T HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, BUT HE WAS JUST A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY LIVING HIS LIFE.

A BADGE AND AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT THE LAW DOES NOT CHANGE THE MORALS OF A HUMAN INTENT ON DOING HARM TO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS OUR JOB TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES TO THESE UNCONSTITUTIONAL INVASIONS OF OUR PRIVACY.

WE CAN AND SHOULD PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT GIVING UP OUR FREEDOMS. WE SHOULD GET TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS, GET INVOLVED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, JOIN FACEBOOK, FACEBOOK GROUPS,

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JOIN OUR LOCAL CONGREGATIONS, AND STAY CONNECTED TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT KEEPS US ALL SAFE FROM CONSTANT WITHOUT THE CONSTANT GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE.

AAFA WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ANY AND ALL EFFORTS TO VIOLATE BODILY AUTONOMY, RIGHT TO PRIVACY, AND THE RIGHT TO INTERSTATE TRAVEL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

JACKSON BILBREY IS UP NEXT AND AFTER MR. BILBREY WILL BE ASHLAND MAJOR.

NO. BILBREY ASHLAND. THERE SHE GOES.

AND AFTER MISS MAJOR WILL BE TIFFANY RILES. HI, MY NAME IS ASH MAJOR AND I RESIDE WITHIN AMARILLO CITY LIMITS. I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THE FLOCK CAMERAS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT INFRINGES UPON MY RIGHTS AS A US CITIZEN.

FLOCK IS UTILIZED TO SOLVE 10% OF CRIMES PER THEIR WEBSITE.

I DON'T THINK THAT 10% IS A WORTHY TRADE OFF OF OUR INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND LIBERTY TO MOVE ABOUT WITHOUT BEING WATCHED.

WHILE I UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO GENERAL EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN AND PUBLIC SPACES.

THERE IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION EVERY US CITIZEN HAS TO MOVE FREELY WITHOUT BEING WATCHED BY ONE ENTITY.

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE ARE SPENDING AS A CITY TO SURVEIL CITIZENS IN ORDER TO PROSECUTE CRIME COULD BE UTILIZED TO ACTUALLY PREVENT CRIME, WHICH WOULD NOT ONLY HELP OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT ENRICH THE LIVES OF AMARILLO CITIZENS.

THOUGH THESE NUMBERS HAVE NOT BEEN PUBLICLY DISCLOSED.

HELLO, TRANSPARENCY. A SIMPLE WEB SEARCH CAN RENDER APPROXIMATE NUMBERS ROUGHLY 2500 PER CAMERA ANNUALLY, WITH AN INSTALLATION FEE OF AROUND $250 PER UNIT COMING OUT TO OVER 200 K PER YEAR, JUST IN OUR CITY ALONE.

BUT HOW COULD THAT MONEY BE USED TO CARE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND THEREFORE DETER CRIME? OUTREACH AND MEDIATION ALLOWING TRAINED PROFESSIONALS TO STEP IN AND CONFLICT RESOLVED BEFORE SITUATIONS ESCALATE.

INTERVENTION OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE HAD VIOLENT CRIME PREDICATED UPON THEM.

SO THEY MIGHT RECEIVE NOT ONLY PHYSICAL BUT MENTAL TRAUMA CARE TO REDUCE THE RATE OF RETALIATION CYCLES, WHICH WE'RE EXPERIENCING CURRENTLY IN OUR YOUTH COMMUNITY, BEAUTIFICATION AND GREEN SPACES THAT BRING PRIDE AND STEWARDSHIP INTO COMMUNITIES.

THIS CREATES NOT ONLY SOCIAL BUY IN, BUT GATHERING CROWDS THAT WILL CROWD OUT ILLICIT ACTIVITY.

I'M NOT JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER GETTING RID OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER BUYING INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

I'M ASKING YOU TO USE THIS OVER 200 K, NOT TO WATCH OUR CITIZENS THAT HAVE NOT COMMITTED CRIMES, THAT HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT TO BUY INTO YOUR OWN COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO SERVE.

I'M ASKING YOU TO DO BETTER. I'M ASKING YOU TO BE MORE CREATIVE, TO BE MORE LOVING, AND TO BE MORE CARING.

TO BE STEWARDS OF GOD'S WORD. AS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS SAY OUTSIDE, RIGHT? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR BROTHERS, NOT WATCHING THEM ALL THE TIME.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO DO BETTER. I'M NOT GIVING YOU A PERSONAL ATTACK.

I'M LITERALLY UP HERE AS A CITIZEN OF AMARILLO SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO BE WATCHED WHENEVER I TAKE MY KIDS TO THE PARK OR TO SCHOOL OR RUN TO GET GROCERIES. I WANT TO KNOW THAT MY FELLOW CITIZENS, THAT MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR ME AS I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THEM, NOT WATCHING ME TO MAKE SURE I DON'T COMMIT A CRIME.

THANK YOU. AFTER MISS RILES WILL HAVE JILLIAN KNUCKLES.

I AM TIFFANY RILES AND I DO LIVE IN AMARILLO.

DECEMBER 20TH, 2024. A PD OFFICER, CHRISTIAN EDER, MADE A SEARCH ON THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM.

THE REASON LISTED WAS WANT WANT. THAT WAS THE REASON HE LISTED ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO 76 OTHER SEARCHES FOR NO REASONS OTHER THAN TO TRACK A COWORKER'S BOYFRIEND OR EX-BOYFRIEND.

NOT A CASE NUMBER, NOT A WARRANT. NOT SUSPECTED OF A CRIME.

THE REASON FIELD SAID WANT JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED TO.

IT WORKED. NOTHING IN THE SYSTEM STOPPED HIM.

NOT ONCE. THE MORE I READ ABOUT THIS STORY, THE MORE COMICAL AND ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING IT IS.

IS YOUR GOAL TO MAKE AMARILLO THE POTATO FACTORY OF TEXAS? YOU GAVE THEM ACCESS THIS. THIS ORGANIZATION TO KNOW WHERE YOUR WIVES, YOUR DAUGHTERS ARE AT ALL TIMES.

YOU GAVE THEM ACCESS TO KNOW WHERE I AM. YOU TRUSTED THEM ENOUGH FOR THEM.

THIS, BUT I DON'T. I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO MY LOCATION.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO WATCH ME WALKING AT JOHNSTON PARK.

I WANT TO EXIST AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, AND I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.

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AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF HE'S JUST ONE BAD APPLE? WHEN YOU WAITED FOR THE VICTIM TO SELF-REPORT.

THERE HASN'T BEEN AN AUDIT OF ALL SEARCHES. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE PUBLIC.

YOU GAVE RECKLESS AUTHORITY AND TOO MUCH POWER TO AN ORGANIZATION WITH INCOMPETENT AND INCAPABLE LEADERSHIP THAT CAN'T EVEN HANDLE THEIR INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

GET RID OF THESE PERVERT POLICE CAMERAS AND THIRD PARTY COMPANIES. YOU'RE FEEDING ALL OF OUR PERSONAL PRIVATE INFORMATION TO.

UP NEXT IS JILLIAN KNUCKLES. AFTER. MISS KNUCKLES WILL HAVE IRA PURDY.

IRA PURDY. OH, THERE YOU ARE. AFTER. MR. PURDY WILL HAVE BILLY THOMPSON.

MY NAME IS IRA PURDY, AND I'VE LIVED IN AMARILLO NEARLY 60 YEARS BY PROFESSION.

I'VE BEEN A SOCIAL WORKER. I'VE WORKED WITH FAMILIES AND CHILDREN, WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WORKED AS A MEDICAL SOCIAL WORKER IN PROVIDING MEDICAL CARE AND ESPECIALLY IN HOSPICE. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE EARLIER THIS YEAR OF TAKING A TOUR OF THE ARC.

A FRIEND OF MINE INVITED ME AND SEVERAL OTHERS FROM OUR CHURCH TO GO AND OBSERVE HOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS BEING USED ON THE WAY DOWN TO OBSERVE TO TAKE THE TOUR. I PASSED THE WALMART AT I-40, EXCUSE ME, I-27 AND GEORGIA.

AND AS I WENT BY, I NOTICED THERE WERE AT LEAST SIX, MAYBE 7 OR 8 POLICE CARS HAD PULLED IN THERE AROUND THE SERVICE STATION.

AND THERE WERE ALSO ANOTHER CAR DOWN THE BLOCK THAT APPEARED TO BE HAVING SOME SORT OF PROBLEM.

AFTER THE TOUR, I SAID, WHAT? WHAT WAS GOING ON THIS MORNING AT WALMART, AT THE SERVICE STATION? AND THEY SAID, A FELLA STOLE A PICKUP IN DALHART AND DROVE IT HERE OVERNIGHT.

AND HE DECIDED TO GET HIMSELF SOME GASOLINE. AND WHEN HE PULLED INTO WALMART, THEY WERE ALREADY FOLLOWING HIM AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE IN QUICKLY, ARREST HIM, RECOVER THE PROPERTY WITHOUT INCIDENT, WITHOUT ANY VIOLENCE.

I WAS IMPRESSED. I WAS ABLE TO OBSERVE THE THE DRONES IN OPERATION AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TECHNOLOGY AS IT WAS WORKING. THE OFFICERS, THERE WAS ONE OFFICER WHO HAD HIS BODY CAMERA WORKING, AND I WAS IMPRESSED BECAUSE WITH THAT CAMERA ON THE SCENE, THE OFFICER CAN OBSERVE, BUT THE OFFICER CAN ALSO HAVE BACKUP WITHOUT EVEN INTERRUPTING THE CONVERSATION. HE MAY BE IN THE PROCESS OF DE-ESCALATING THE SITUATION, AND HE DOESN'T NEED TO TAKE TIME TO CALL FOR BACKUP.

THE CAMERA, THE PEOPLE OBSERVING CAN MAKE THAT DECISION AND BE BE BRINGING SUPPORT TO HIM AND SAFETY TO THE PERSON THAT THEY'RE INTERVIEWING. IT'S A HUGE FORCE MULTIPLIER. HUGE.

WE COULDN'T HIRE ENOUGH POLICEMEN TO DO THE JOB THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL DO.

IT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS. IT PROTECTS THE OFFICERS, IT PROTECTS THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF IT. AND I THINK THAT EVERYONE WHO OBSERVES IT, THE TECHNOLOGY IN PROPER USE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT.

BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I GUARANTEE YOU AS A AS A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, WE DON'T WANT TO BE WE DO NOT WANT TO REPLACE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE CALL ON LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERY TIME THERE'S TROUBLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UP NEXT IS BILLY THOMPSON, AFTER MR. THOMPSON WILL BE CASSANDRA GREEN. MISS GREEN, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY LET'S HAVE CHASTITY WEDGEWORTH UP NEXT. AND AFTER MISS WEDGEWORTH, WE'LL HAVE MIKE FISHER.

HELLO. I AM TRUSTEE WEDGEWORTH, AND I AM A CITIZEN OF AMARILLO.

I AM HERE BECAUSE I FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S COLLECTION OF INFORMATION ABOUT INNOCENT CITIZENS THROUGH THE FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT MY OBJECTION IS. I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO PREVENT THE POLICE FROM INVESTIGATING CRIMES.

I AM ASKING WHY I HAVE TO BE INVESTIGATED WHEN I HAVEN'T COMMITTED ONE.

EVERY TIME AN ORDINARY CITIZEN DRIVES PAST ONE OF THESE CAMERAS, THE SYSTEM CAN RECORD IDENTIFYING INFORMATION ABOUT THAT VEHICLE AND MAKE THAT INFORMATION SEARCHABLE LATER OVER ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. I HAVE NOT COMMITTED A CRIME I HAVE NOT BEEN ACCUSED OF A CRIME.

THERE IS NO PROBABLE CAUSE AGAINST ME. THERE IS NO WARRANT WITH MY NAME ON IT. SO WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT COLLECTING INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE MY VEHICLE HAS BEEN? WE HAVE BUILT

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SOMETHING VERY DISTURBINGLY CLOSE TO MINORITY REPORT.

COLLECT INFORMATION ON EVERYBODY FIRST, STORE IT AND FIGURE OUT LATER WHO THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT BECOME INTERESTED IN. EXCEPT THESE AREN'T MOVIE CHARACTERS.

THESE ARE AMARILLO CITIZENS. AND THIS ISN'T SOME HYPOTHETICAL CONCERN ABOUT WHAT TECHNOLOGY MAY BE CAPABLE OF SOMEDAY.

THE TEXAS TRIBUNE RECENTLY EXAMINED APPROXIMATELY 615,000 SEARCHES OF THE DPS BLOCK NETWORK IN A SINGLE MONTH.

NEARLY HALF OF THOSE SEARCHES CAME FROM OUTSIDE OF TEXAS IN JOHNSON COUNTY.

A DEPUTY USED THAT NATIONWIDE NETWORK WITHOUT A WARRANT TO LOCATE A WOMAN THAT WAS SUSPECTED OF ATTEMPTING TO OBTAIN AN ABORTION.

SHE WAS LOCATED. ULTIMATELY, NO CHARGES WERE FILED.

THESE CAMERAS MEAN GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.

AND THAT IS NOT HOW OUR LEGAL SYSTEM WORKS TODAY.

TODAY, THE JUSTIFICATION MIGHT BE STOLEN CARS.

TOMORROW IT MAY BE ABORTION, CANNABIS, IMMIGRATION, POLITICAL ACTIVITY, OR SOMETHING THAT THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE HASN'T EVEN MADE ILLEGAL YET.

THAT'S PRECISELY WHY CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS DON'T DEPEND UPON WHETHER WE TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY HOLDING THE KEYS. THE FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT EXISTS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT POWER REQUIRES BOUNDARIES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COURTS ARE STILL DETERMINING EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL BOUNDARIES FALL WITH MASS AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE SURVEILLANCE. BUT A COURT HASN'T STOPPED US YET, ISN'T IT IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY LOW STANDARD FOR OUR GOVERNMENT.

AMARILLO CAN CHOOSE A HIGHER ONE. IF APD HAS A LEGITIMATE SUSPECT AND A LEGITIMATE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, THEN THEY SHOULD INVESTIGATE THEM, GET THE APPROPRIATE LEGAL PROCESS, AND USE THE TOOLS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY. AND OF COURSE, MASS SURVEILLANCE CAN SOLVE CRIMES. SO COULD SEARCHING EVERYBODY'S HOUSE WITHOUT A WARRANT.

WE'D PROBABLY FIND DRUGS, WE'D FIND STOLEN PROPERTY. WE'D PROBABLY SOLVE CRIMES THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HAPPENED. BUT WE DON'T ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS EXIST, TO RESTRICT WHAT GOVERNMENT MAY DO, EVEN WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO VIOLATE IT.

THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER FLOC IS USEFUL. THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH LIBERTY ARE WE WILLING TO SURRENDER IN THE NAME OF USEFULNESS? IF YOU HAVE A SUSPECT, INVESTIGATE THAT SUSPECT, BUT DON'T BUILD A SEARCHABLE HISTORY OF EVERYBODY ELSE JUST IN CASE ONE OF US BECOMES INTERESTING LATER. THAT'S BACKWARDS. IN AMERICA, GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATES SUSPECTS IT DOES NOT SURVEIL THE POPULATION IN ORDER TO FIND ONE.

I'M GOING TO SKIP TO THE END OF THAT BECAUSE MY DATA IS NOT FOR SALE.

MY PRIVACY IS NOT FOR SALE. MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE NOT FOR SALE.

PUBLIC SAFETY MATTERS, AND SO DOES LIBERTY. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN SAID THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY OR SAFETY.

AFTER MR. FISHER, WE'D LIKE JEREMY REAMS TO COME UP.

MY NAME IS MIKE FISHER. I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF AMARILLO.

MANY TIMES THIS COUNCIL FALLS BACK ON SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WE ONLY CONTROL THE CITY MANAGER.

WELL, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO SET POLICY BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS YOU DO.

SO I'M I'M A FAN OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS. IF THEY'RE USED PROPERLY, IT'S A GREAT TOOL.

IT SOLVED A MURDER OF A GUY I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH OVER IN PAMPA JUST RECENTLY, OR FOUND THE GUY DOWN IN WICHITA FALLS OR SOMEWHERE IN A CAR THAT THEY SUSPECTED FOUND HIM VERY QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, IN PAST WHEN WHEN THESE THINGS HAVE COME UP AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE ABILITY TO USE THINGS TO, TO SOLVE CRIMES, WE DIDN'T JUST THROW THEM AWAY.

WE DIDN'T THROW AWAY LIKE TELEPHONES BECAUSE OF WIRETAPPING.

WE DIDN'T THROW AWAY GOT A LIST HERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T DO AWAY WITH GPS IS BECAUSE WE COULD TRACK SOMEONE.

WE DIDN'T BAN CARS BECAUSE THEY WERE DANGEROUS.

WE CREATED RULES. AND THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. I MEAN, IT COULD BE A CHANCE TO SET A POLICY THAT MAYBE ISN'T SET YET, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE TWO THINGS.

I MEAN, BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY FOLLOWED ME TO WORK, WORSHIP, POLITICAL MEETINGS OR WHERE I SLEEP AT NIGHT OR WHERE MY DOCTOR IS, THAT'D BE STALKING AND THEY'D PROBABLY GO TO JAIL FOR IT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THESE CAMERAS COULD REALLY DO, IS THEY COULD RECONSTRUCT YOUR MOVEMENTS AND BE A STALKER.

SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE TWO THINGS A PROBABLE CAUSE TIME PERIOD, AND THEN A SEARCH WARRANT TIME PERIOD.

SO THE PROBABLE CAUSE PERIOD WOULD BE FROM ZERO FROM THE TIME IT HAPPENED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS.

SO AND THEY HAVE TO ENTER A PROBABLE CAUSE REASON, SOMETHING THAT FITS THE TERMINOLOGY OF PROBABLE CAUSE AND THAT REASON.

AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE LATER IF THEY VIOLATED THAT.

BUT THEN AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD, IT GOES FROM, SAY IT'S EIGHT HOURS AFTER BETWEEN EIGHT HOURS AND THE MAXIMUM RETENTION OF THESE SYSTEMS. YOU HAVE TO GET A WARRANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET A WARRANT TO DO ALMOST ANYTHING TO SEARCH MY PHONE, EVEN THOUGH I CARRY IT IN PUBLIC. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WARRANT TO SEARCH MY PERSON IF I'M IN PUBLIC.

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YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WARRANT TO SEARCH MY VEHICLE EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON A PUBLIC ROAD.

SO WHY SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEARCH WARRANT TO SEARCH WHERE I'VE BEEN? EVEN IF IT'S IN A PUBLIC PLACE. THANK YOU. AFTER MR. REMES, WE WILL HAVE TRENT ROSSER. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JEREMY REMES, AND I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

WHAT TOOLS DO WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT? I BELIEVE THE TAG READERS ARE JUST THE TOOL WE WANT TO HAVE.

ANGER OVER. FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE THE CITY OF AMARILLO.

WE'RE NOT SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'RE NOT THE STATE. THIS IS AMARILLO.

SO YOU HAD ONE PUBLIC INCIDENT. IT'S TAKEN CARE OF.

DON'T TAKE THE TOOLS AWAY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IF A GUY IF SOMEBODY COMES INTO MY HOUSE AND MURDERS SOMEONE IN MY HOUSE AND MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET GETS THE TAG NUMBER AND DOES A 911 CALL, THAT NUMBER CAN NOW GO INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE TAGS, THOSE CAMERAS ACROSS THIS STATE, KNOWS WHERE THAT PERSON IS.

THAT VEHICLE IS GOING. DON'T TAKE THEM AWAY. IT MIGHT BE YOUR HOME.

THEY COME INTO AND CAUSE A CRIME AND YOU TOOK THE CAMERAS AWAY AND NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CRIME SOLVED.

DON'T TAKE THEM AWAY. IT'S A TOOL. WHICH TOOL YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY.

LET'S TAKE THE GUNS AWAY FROM HIM. DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? DON'T TAKE AWAY. WE ALL NEED IT. TECHNOLOGY IS TECHNOLOGY.

HE USED TO BE AN OFFICER. I HAD TO TURN ON A MICROPHONE.

THAT WAS THE TECHNOLOGY THEN. BUT DON'T TAKE IT AWAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE OUR FAMILY MEMBER. THAT MAY NEED A CRIME SOLVED.

AND NO, WE'RE NOT GATHERING INFORMATION FROM INNOCENT CITIZENS.

IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S FOR. IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S DOING.

WE ALL HAVE BAD APPLES IN EVERY PART OF OUR SOCIETY, EVERY BUSINESS, EVERY GOVERNMENT.

SO LEAVE THEM IN AMARILLO. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED SOME.

GUIDELINES ON HOW TO TAKE CARE OF IT. IF WE'RE GOING FROM 30 DAYS TO SEVEN DAYS AND THAT INFORMATION IS GONE, THEN WHEN YOU GET OFF YOUR 14 DAY CRUISE AND YOU COME HOME AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR HOUSE IS GONE.

AND YOUR NEIGHBOR SAW, OH, I THINK BACK, I REMEMBER SEEING THAT CAR AND I REMEMBER SEEING THEM.

WELL, YOU CAME OFF YOUR CRUISE AND IT'S TOO LATE.

THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE YOUR INFORMATION ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAD IT SEVEN DAYS, NOT 30.

SO LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT. DON'T TAKE DON'T TAKE TOOLS AWAY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT.

TRENT ROSSER IS UP NEXT. AND AFTER MR. ROSSER IS TOBY HUDSON.

HELLO, MY NAME IS TRENT ROSS. I LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF AMARILLO.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. GUYS, I SEEN YOU AGAIN. THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW THINGS I'M NOT REALLY FOR.

I'M NOT AGAINST THE CAMERA. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

OUR CHIEF MENTIONED THERE WAS SO FAR, 12 MURDERS AND 44 MISSING PERSONS FOUND OUT OF 915.

THAT'S ONLY 6%. OR THE REST OF IT GOING ARE WE PULLING PEOPLE OVER AND DOING DRUG BUSTS? ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURES? WHERE'S THE REST OF IT? THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I AGREE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. WE SHOULD HAVE WE RAISED THAT.

WE SHOULD HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ON KEEPING PEOPLE OUT.

ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT TECHNOLOGIES HERE, GUYS, THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE GOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THEIR MOTHERS BASEMENTS AND DO NOTHING BUT PLAY ON COMPUTERS AND HACK THINGS.

IF THIS IS A SERVER. WHAT'S TO SAY SOMEBODY IN AFGHANISTAN OR PAKISTAN OR EVEN OVER HERE IN KENYA, TEXAS, HACKING SOMEBODY'S COMPUTER? THEY CAN HACK INTO THIS AS WELL.

WHAT'S GOING TO STOP THEM FROM THAT? THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE PLOT CAMERAS.

BUT I WANT TO ALSO GO BACK TO A FEW OTHER THINGS.

THE WATER BILLING SITUATION. HAVE WE FIGURED THAT OUT YET? HOW ABOUT THE PHONE SITUATIONS? HAVE WE FIGURED THAT OUT YET?

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AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS I'M ONLY SPEAKING ON ANOTHER TOPIC HERE SHORTLY.

AND I'VE CALLED TO ASK ABOUT THAT AND I WAS ON HOLD FOR HOURS.

I CALL AGAIN. I WAS ON HOLD FOR HOURS. HOW ARE PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL OR HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THEIR WATER BILL WHEN THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH? NOW, I CAME UP HERE TODAY AT 230 IS WHEN I LEFT MY HOUSE.

WHEN I LEFT MY HOUSE, MY WIFE HAD BEEN ON THE PHONE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF WAITING TO TALK TO SOMEONE IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS. THAT'S ONE IT'S BEEN. HOW LONG NOW? SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. SOMETHING ELSE? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STINKY FIRE? ARE WE BRUSHING IT UNDER THE RUG? WHAT'S HAPPENING? WE NEED ANSWERS. THAT'S YOUR JOB. SO I BELIEVE SOMEONE SAID NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT Y'ALL DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TALK TO OR NOT TALK. YOU'RE NOT OVER PEOPLE IN THE CITY HALL.

YES YOU ARE. YOU SAID YOU'RE ONLY OVER THE CITY MANAGER.

NO, YOU'RE OVER EVERYBODY IN THE CITY HALL. YOU ALL ARE THE TOP DOGS.

WE HIRED YOU ALL FOR A REASON. WE WANTED YOU ALL TO DO THE JOB.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF Y'ALL HAVE TO GO ABOVE SOMEONE'S HEAD.

BELOW SOMEONE'S HEAD. Y'ALL NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE.

FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH STINKY FIRE. FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BILLING.

FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE PHONE SYSTEMS. PEOPLE NEED TO PAY THEIR BILLS. THEY'RE GETTING TIRED OF BEING DISCONNECTED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK Y'ALL. TOBY IS OUR LAST SPEAKER. GREETINGS. MY NAME IS TOBY HUDSON. I LIVE IN THE CITY, AND I'M FOR EVERYBODY IN HERE.

I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION HERE FOR AMARILLO.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE CAMERAS JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO LET'S EXPLORE WHAT THEY DO. THEY TAKE PICTURES. THEY DON'T RECORD YOUR ROOTS, YOUR DESTINATIONS OR YOU THE SOFTWARES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAMERAS IS WHAT'S SEARCHABLE.

THEY READ LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE CAR BELONGS TO OR WHO'S DRIVING IT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OPINIONS ABOUT YOUR DESTINATIONS OR YOUR HABITS OR YOUR INTENTIONS.

AND NO ONE IS WATCHING YOUR MOVEMENTS. IT IS AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL THAT REQUIRES A HUMAN TO PIECE TOGETHER INFORMATION FROM OTHER SOURCES.

NOW, HOW AN INVESTIGATION WORKS. I DON'T WANT TO REVEAL A BUNCH OF TRICKS OF THE TRADE, SO I'M HOPING THERE'S NOT A LIKE A ROBBERY OR BURGLARY UNION REP IN HERE, BUT WHEN A CRIME HAPPENS, OFFICERS START LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE.

FOR 30 YEARS, VIDEO EVIDENCE HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY MORE IMPORTANT.

IT STARTED WITH EXPENSIVE SECURITY CAMERAS AND ONLY WEALTHY PEOPLE COULD AFFORD.

THEN HOME SECURITY CAMERAS CAME ALONG, BECAME MORE PREVALENT. NOW EVERYBODY'S GOT A DOORBELL CAM. OFFICERS GET SUSPECT DESCRIPTIONS.

THEY SPEND HOURS, DAYS, SOMETIMES WEEKS, CANVASING NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET FOOTAGE FROM PRIVATE SECURITY CAMERAS UP TO A FEW YEARS AGO.

IF THEY HAPPEN TO GET A SUSPECT VEHICLE DESCRIPTION, THEY SCOURED THAT SAME FOOTAGE TO OBTAIN A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER.

AFTER THAT, DAYS OR WEEKS BEHIND, THEY STILL SEARCH STATE AND LOCAL DATABASES TO FIND AN OWNER OR DRIVER FOR THAT CAR.

WHAT MOST LAW ABIDING CITIZENS DON'T USUALLY UNDERSTAND IS THAT MOST CROOKS DON'T DRIVE A CAR REGISTERED TO THEM.

IT'S THEIR GRANDMA'S NAME. IT'S THEIR COUSIN'S NAME. IT'S A RENTAL CAR. IT'S BORROWED FROM SOMEONE IN THEIR DRUG CIRCLE.

SO IT STILL TAKES DAYS OR WEEKS TO TRACK DOWN THOSE PEOPLE.

FIND OUT WHO WAS IN THAT CAR ON THAT DATE AT THAT TIME, COMMITTING THAT CRIME.

SO CLEARING THESE CASES TAKES A LOT OF MAN HOURS AND SOME LUCK.

ALONG COMES THESE ALPR CAMERA SYSTEMS. NOW, THAT SAME SUSPECT VEHICLE TAKEN FROM A WITNESS OR PRIVATE CAMERA CAN BE SEARCHED BY MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.

WE CAN FIND OUT WHO IT'S REGISTERED TO, WHO'S BEEN PULLED OVER IN IT.

WHO HAD THE LAST TRAFFIC ACCIDENT IN IT WHEN IT GOT IMPOUNDED AND SUCH.

IF ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAPPENS TO HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD FOR THEFT, DRUGS, ARMED ROBBERY, ETC..

WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD STARTING POINT. AND THAT'S WHAT DETECTIVES DO.

WE MAY STILL FIND THAT CAR OUT AND ABOUT BECAUSE OF THESE CAMERAS.

WE MAY FIND IT OUT AND ABOUT COMMITTING MORE CRIME.

IF A GOOD COP DOES HIS RESEARCH IN A TIMELY FASHION, WE FIND THAT CAR IN MINUTES, NOT DAYS OR WEEKS.

WE'RE LITERALLY CATCHING THESE SUSPECTS WEARING THE SAME CLOTHES. THEY COMMITTED THE BURGLARY. ROBBERY IN THE GUY THAT STOLE YOUR FAMILY'S STUFF OR SHOT YOUR RELATIVES.

WE'RE SOLVING IT IN LITERALLY 45 MINUTES VERSUS TWO WEEKS.

WE HAD AN OFFICER MISUSE THIS SYSTEM. WE HAD RULES IN PLACE AGAINST THAT MISUSE.

THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION. HE WAS FIRED. NO COVER UP, NO EXCUSES, NO TOLERANCE.

AND NO ONE IS MORE DISAPPOINTED IN THAT DECISION TO MISUSE THAT KIND OF TRUST THAN WE ARE.

THAT'S NOT WHY WE TOOK AN OATH TO DO THIS JOB.

THESE MEN AND WOMEN, THEY'RE PROTECTORS. THEY'RE PROTECTORS OF YOUR PROPERTY, OF YOUR FAMILY, AND OF YOUR RIGHTS. I GET THE MISTRUST. BELIEVE ME, I'VE READ GEORGE ORWELL'S 1984.

I UNDERSTAND THE FEAR OF CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE.

AND I JUST PROMISE YOU, THAT IS NOT THIS. I CAN'T EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT THIS STUFF IS.

SO I THANK YOU. WE HAD A COUPLE MORE SIGN UP.

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MR. CHUCK LITTLE IS UP NEXT. AND AFTER MR. LITTLE IS JOE WEST.

CHUCK LITTLE, I LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. AMARILLO.

I HEARD THE COMMENT OF TRUST IN HERE, AND THERE WAS TALK OF NAMING OF OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR THESE FLOCK CAMERAS.

THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THESE COMMITTEES THAT SERVE THIS CITY, THAT THE SAME PEOPLE, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, ARE APPOINTED TO SERVE ON THESE COMMITTEES BECAUSE PEOPLE SIGN UP THAT THEY WANT TO BE ON THESE COMMITTEES.

IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL, THEY READ THE NAMES, SOMEBODY JUMPS UP, MAKES A NOMINATION, SOMEBODY JUMPS UP AND SECOND IT.

THAT PERSON'S ON THAT COMMITTEE. EVEN THOUGH THAT PERSON HAS SERVED ON NUMEROUS COMMITTEES TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE LIST THAT VOLUNTEER TO SERVE ON THESE COMMITTEES SO THAT YOU GET INPUT FROM THE WHOLE CITIZENSHIP OF TOWN, BUT THEY ARE OVERLOOKED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE COMMITTEES OF OVERSIGHTS FOR PARK AND REC FLOCK CAMERAS, SALE OF WATER RIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE NEED TO HAVE A FAIRER WAY OF GETTING NEW PEOPLE IN THERE, SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON HOW THIS CITY IS RUN. THAT'S THE WAY A DEMOCRACY IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

BUT IF WE HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE TIME AND TIME AGAIN SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE'RE NOT GETTING NEW IDEAS.

WE'RE NOT GETTING PEOPLE'S FEELINGS. SO I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO SET UP THESE COMMITTEES A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THAT YOU CAN ONLY SERVE ON A COMMITTEE SO MANY TIMES.

THEN YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND YOU DON'T EVEN GET CONSIDERED FOR FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT WE NEED TO GET FRESH IDEAS, NOT THE SAME OLD THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND ANOTHER THING I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS PEOPLE SIGNING NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS.

NOW, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. IT NEVER WILL BE RIGHT.

I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SITUATION IS. IF YOU HAVE TO SIGN SOMETHING THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN, THAT'S WRONG. AND IT SHOULD BE WRONG NO MATTER WHAT.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHUCK.

I WOULD GIVE A STATEMENT OF FACT. THIS COUNCIL HAS NEVER SIGNED ANY NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.

THIS COUNCIL HAS NEVER SOLD ANY WATER RIGHTS.

THANK YOU. MR. WEISS, YOU CAN BEGIN. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JOE WEST, AND I LIVE IN AMARILLO.

AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR IS TALK ABOUT CURRENT FLOCK CAPABILITIES AND CURRENT VERKADA CAMERA CAPABILITIES.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT INTO THE FUTURE.

FLOCK IS INTRODUCING A NEW AI POWERED OPERATING SYSTEM.

THEY CALL IT OS. INVESTIGATE. IT USED TO BE PROJECT NIGHTFALL.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES THE FLOCK CAMERA NETWORK UP AND IT USES.

WHAT IS IT? IT USES THE NETWORK OF 120,000 CAMERAS NATIONWIDE, MATCHES IT WITH CASE FILES, 911 DISPATCH DATA AND COMMERCIAL IDENTITY DATABASES AND LINKS MOVEMENTS TO NAMES, ADDRESSES, AND RELATIONSHIPS. SEE? YEAH, IT'S STILL IN DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT LETS POLICE SEARCH FOR PEOPLE AND VEHICLES BY THEIR MOVEMENTS WITH NO PLATE NAME OR CRIME NEEDED.

AND WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE FLOCK HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO A COUPLE TIMES.

WIRED IS THE ONE THAT DID THIS, AND THEY GOT TO DOWNLOAD 450 FILES TELLING US ABOUT THE CAPABILITIES OF THE FUTURE.

LET'S SEE. A FORMER COP WARNS OF UNRESTRICTED FISHING EXPEDITIONS FOR CRIME AND SAYS FLOCK LITERALLY TRACKS PEOPLE.

SAME THING WITH THE VERKADA CAMERAS. THEY'RE INTRODUCING AI CAPABILITIES THAT ALSO LOOK FOR THINGS LIKE BULGES, BACKPACKS, PURSES, STICKERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IDENTIFYING FEATURES ON PEOPLE.

SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT TO GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE FOR Y'ALL WHEN THINGS ACTUALLY START RAMPING UP.

SO CURRENTLY, WE KNOW OF ONE POLICE OFFICER WHO MADE SOME EGREGIOUS ABUSES.

I WANT MORE CAPABILITY FOR PRIVATE CITIZENS TO HELP ON THAT.

DIGITAL RIGHTS AND PRIVACY OR THE DIGITAL DIGNITY, RIGHTS AND PRIVACY BOARD IN ORDER TO INVESTIGATE.

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AND WE NEED TO GIVE THAT BOARD ACTUAL TEETH. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE PEOPLE FINES FOR ABUSING OR FOR ABUSING THE SYSTEM.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE REGULATIONS. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONTROL OF THIS SYSTEM BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF CONTROL IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES EVERYBODY WHO SIGNED UP.

REAL GOOD. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR COMING UP SIGNING IN.

DO I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.

AND, ALAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

I KNOW YOU FREQUENT. THANK YOU. ALAN FEINGOLD.

I DO LIVE IN THE CITY OF AMARILLO. I INTENDED TO SPEAK PRIMARILY ABOUT THE BUDGET.

I DO THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD GIVE US SOME PRELIMINARY INDICATION OF WHAT THE BUDGET WILL BE.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE VERY MUCH IF THE CITY COULD PRINT A PAGE OR 2 OR 3 OUTLINING WHAT THE BUDGET WILL BE, OR AT LEAST WHAT THEY WHAT YOU FOLKS THINK IT WILL BE.

BUT I HAVE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT I THINK I SHOULD MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON IT.

I DON'T DOUBT THAT THE FLOCK CAMERAS CAN BE AN EXCELLENT TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, A VERY VALUABLE TOOL UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT I ALSO DON'T DOUBT THAT IT CAN BE ABUSED AND IT CAN BE USED TO INVADE PRIVACY.

AND I THINK IT WILL TAKE A VERY CONSIDERABLE STUDY BEFORE WE CAN DETERMINE WHERE THE BALANCE LIES.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER REGARDING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK WE REALLY DO NEED A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

I THINK WE NEED TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHO SHOULD GO ON SUCH A COMMITTEE, AND I THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE THAT WE HAVE ONE.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH TRUST WE MAY WISH TO HAVE IN GOVERNMENT OR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THERE IS ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OR GOVERNMENT WILL NOT DO ITS JOB ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS, BUT WILL INSTEAD DO A JOB ON BEHALF OF ITSELF. THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE ESCAPED IT YET. SO I THINK IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A CITIZEN'S OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND THAT YOU CAREFULLY CONSIDER THIS FOR THE NEAR FUTURE.

MEANWHILE, I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD CONSIDER THE FACT THAT AMARILLO HAS A PERSISTENTLY HIGH CRIME RATE, AND THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS.

WE NEED TO DO A STUDY OF WHY IT IS THAT THIS CRIME RATE REMAINS SO CONSISTENTLY HIGH, AND I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE A BUDGET FOR THIS PURPOSE, AND THAT YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO TRY TO DETERMINE HOW YOU WOULD DO SUCH A STUDY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. THIS WILL BE OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENT FOR TODAY.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CASSIE GREEN. I'M A RANDALL COUNTY RESIDENT.

AND SORRY THAT I DIDN'T MAKE THE FIRST CALL. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

AND COUNCIL FOR ASKING SUCH GOOD QUESTIONS. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THEM.

I BELIEVE IT WAS DON TIPPS WHO ASKED ABOUT SEARCH WARRANTS.

AND AS A STATEMENT OF FACT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE CHIEF ANSWERED THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT PROCESS OF A SEARCH WARRANT WARRANT. AND I IMPLORE YOU GUYS THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE IMPLEMENT, BECAUSE I THINK IT IT WOULD HELP WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL UNREASONABLE SEARCH.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT, BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY, HE SAID THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TIME IF THIS WAS IF THIS WAS ALREADY IN PLACE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE.

THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE NOW IS WHAT I THINK.

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ALSO LES ASKED HOW MANY SEARCHES A MONTH HAVE BEEN OBTAINED? AND WE COULDN'T EVEN ANSWER THAT. SO I THINK THAT IF WE CAN'T ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS LIKE THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ABSOLUTE MORATORIUM ON THE CAMERAS AND THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

AND I DON'T SAY FLOCK BECAUSE OF THE BRAND. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY.

AND WE DO HAVE A COMMITTEE, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU GAVE US TEETH AND IF YOU PUT MORE CITIZENS ON THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS GREEN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S 455.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE RECESS. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN HERE AND TAKE UP ITEM 4.2 DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR SPEAKING. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO STUCK AROUND DURING THE MEETING AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOGGED BACK IN.

WE'RE A LITTLE AFTER OUR 515 CALL BACK. SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL OURSELVES BACK INTO SESSION.

ITEM 4.2. DOCTOR OH, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE US INTO THIS ONE?

[4.2. Discuss Proposed 2026/2027 Budget and Proposed Tax Rate () ]

I'VE GOT YOUR NAME ON THIS ONE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LEADING THIS DISCUSSION. SO I BELIEVE GRAYSON MAY BE TAKING THAT ON.

OKAY. WE MAY PUSH THIS BACK OVER TO MR.. SO, MR..

PATH, DO YOU WANT TO WALK US INTO THIS ITEM AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN KIND OF HEAR FROM WHAT STAFF'S CURRENT STATUS IS AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

YES. SO ANDREW'S GOING TO JOIN US IN A MINUTE HERE.

SO AS WITH ALL BUDGET PROCESSES, THERE'S ALWAYS A LEARNING, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF LEARNING THAT GOES ON.

NUMBERS ARE ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS IDENTIFYING THINGS. AND SO WITH THIS, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MISS MCMURRAY LAST FRIDAY.

AND SO SHE HELPED GIVE US A NEW PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS TO LOOK AT.

AND SO THEN, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT THIS MORNING, THERE IS SOME INFORMATION THAT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TODAY.

SO WITH THIS I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET ANDREW IN HERE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE NUMBERS.

AND SO. BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME CORRECTIONS WE CAN MAKE ON OUR NO NEW REVENUE AND THE CALCULATIONS.

BUT IN DOING SO, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED SOME, SOME DATA ERRORS ON THE POTTER COUNTY SIDE.

AND SO THAT WE NEED TO GET WITH THEM ABOUT. AND SO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE IDENTIFIED ISSUES WITH OUR NUMBERS AND WITH POTTER COUNTY.

AND SO WITH THIS, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THE COUNCIL FOR A BUDGET, A SPECIAL MEETING ON MONDAY. AND SO WE CAN BRING THIS INFORMATION BACK TO YOU ALL. SO AND ANDREW, SO YOU CAN SPEAK MORE TO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BACK THERE.

SO. MY S STEPHANIE, COULD YOU PULL UP THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS MORNING. I CAN TALK FROM THAT.

THANK YOU. SO HERE'S THE PROPERTY TAX CALCULATION WE WERE GOING OVER. AND SOME OF THE ISSUES WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS MORNING THAT WE SPENT A LITTLE TIME IN THIS BREAK BETWEEN THE MORNING WORKSHOP AND THE REGULAR MEETING.

DISCUSSING FURTHER REALLY COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH WE'RE ALLOCATING ON THE INTEREST AND SEEKING SIDE OF THE TAX RATE.

RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE PROPOSED VADER AND THE PROPOSED NNR, YOU SEE 20,903,295 AS THE ESTIMATE FOR THE DEBT PAYMENT. WE BELIEVE THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A FEW MILLION LOWER BASED ON POTENTIALLY OF EXCESS DEBT COLLECTIONS.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS WELL THAT THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, WE'VE GOT 291 TIF 291 MILLION IN TIF CAPTURED VALUE UP AT THE TOP. THAT WE'RE BASICALLY REMOVING FROM OUR TAXABLE VALUES TO CALCULATE WHAT OUR COLLECTIONS ARE.

SO WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE REVENUE THAT WE'D BE BRINGING IN.

BUT TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, YOU SEE LESS TEARS, TAXES WHERE WE ARE PAYING OUT THE 1.2.

SO THAT IS ANOTHER CORRECTION THAT WE'RE WE'RE UPDATING ON THE FORM.

AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE DISCOVERED IS WE WERE WE WERE WORKING WITH OUR RANDALL COUNTY PARTNERS TO UPDATE OUR VADER CALCULATIONS BASED ON OUR EXCESS DEBT CALCULATIONS IS IN SPEAKING WITH POTTER COUNTY, BASED ON THEIR SOFTWARE AND HOW THEY HAVE IT CURRENTLY IN THEIR SYSTEM, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA ON THE INS SIDE OF THE COLLECTIONS THAN IS REALLY NECESSARY FOR OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THEM OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT BALANCE CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY WHY WE'RE SEEING 3 MILLION IN EXCESS DEBT COLLECTIONS, BECAUSE THE BALANCE IS OFF ON HOW THEY'RE PROCESSING IT IN THEIR PAYMENTS TO

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US FOR OUR TAX COLLECTIONS. SO WE BASICALLY HAVE A FEW, FEW DIFFERENT OUTSTANDING TOPICS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND TACKLE BEFORE MONDAY TO ENSURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE AN ACCURATE, VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE.

BECAUSE OUR INITIAL REVIEW WITH RANDALL COUNTY, IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO LOWER THE VADER.

BUT IF WE REDUCE OUR EXCESS DEBT CALCULATION, IT WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE OUR INS RATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE EXCESS TO TO LOWER IT DOWN, WE BASICALLY CAN'T BUY DOWN OUR RATE BECAUSE OF OUR EXCESS RESERVES.

SO WE HAVE A FEW A FEW DIFFERENT ISSUES. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO, TO HONE IN ON IN PREPARATION FOR A MONDAY MEETING FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE, THE CEILING TAX RATE AND GIVE YOU A MORE, MORE IDEA OF HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH.

THE OTHER FACTOR IS OUR NO NEW REVENUE RIGHT NOW SHOWS US GOING FROM 60 MILLION IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO 57.

WE'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT A SWING TO AN ADDITIONAL UP TO MAYBE 1 MILLION.

SO BRINGING IT UP TO 61.5 MILLION INSTEAD. SO IT'S TRENDING BACK IN THE DIRECTION FROM OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE'D SEE IN THE NO NEW REVENUE.

IT WAS JUST OUR FROZEN TAXES. AND I AND S INTEREST IN SEEKING CALCULATIONS THAT WERE DISTORTING THE NUMBER A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN.

SO CLEAR AS MUD. I KNOW. YEAH, LET'S HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

LET'S TRY TO WORK THROUGH A FEW OF THOSE. JUST ONE AT A TIME. SO MISS CHRISTINA MCMURRAY IS HERE.

VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU AND COMING OVER AND TRYING TO ASSIST.

I KNOW MR. WARREN WAS CONTACTED OVER THE PHONE.

WE APPRECIATE BOTH OF OUR PARTNERS. THESE ARE NOT ERRORS FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE TAX ASSESSORS.

SO THEY'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IN THEIR ROLE IN HOW THEY CALCULATE THE RATE.

WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS I THINK WE HAVE GOOD, GOOD QUESTIONS.

THE QUESTION WE'VE BEEN ASKING IS COUNCIL IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? RIGHT. WE WERE TOLD, WELL, THERE'S ONLY $700,000 ADDITIONAL BUMP.

WELL, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? WELL, IT'S A HARD CALCULATION.

LIKE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. WELL, WE HAD TO GO DO SOME HOMEWORK. RIGHT. AND SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK YOU'RE SEEING STAFF AS WELL AS COUNSEL CONTINUE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE HAVE TO KNOW AND WE HAVE TO KNOW OUR REVENUES.

THERE'S TWO SIDES TO EVERY BUDGET, RIGHT? THERE'S REVENUES AND THERE'S EXPENDITURES.

WE ARE ONLY ON THE REVENUE SIDE. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT EXPENDITURES AND WE'LL DO THAT HERE IN A MINUTE.

BUT FIRST WE'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUES ARE.

AND SO I THINK THE BEST WAY TO FIGURE OUT A LOT OF THAT IS, IS BY LOOKING BACK, WHAT DID WE REVENUE IN 25.

WHAT DID WE REVENUE PROJECTION HERE IN 26 AND SO MRS MCMURRAY HAS GREATLY ASSISTED WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS FROM ME AND FROM STAFF.

THANKS FOR A COUPLE DIFFERENT MEETINGS. COUNCILMAN TIPPS WAS RIGHT THERE WITH ME.

AND WE'VE WE'VE DUG IN, SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

THE GOOD NEWS, WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE'RE SEEING A $4 MILLION SWING.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A BUDGET THAT'S BUILT ON $61 MILLION M AND O FUND, RIGHT.

AND WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE SEE SOME SOME MORE REVENUES COME INTO THERE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS ON INS.

SO I'M GOING TO SPECULATE A LITTLE BIT, BUT BUT IT'S GOOD NEWS TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT $3.5 MILLION BEHIND THE THE REQUEST.

WE'RE ACTUALLY $4 MILLION TO THE GOOD OF WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE WHEN WE WALKED IN HERE TODAY.

SO I WANT COUNCIL TO HEAR THAT. THAT WOULD MEAN IF YOU WERE TO PASS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, JUST BASED ON THESE NUMBERS, NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE I AND S SIDE OF THE BUDGET.

IF THERE IS ANOTHER MILLION THERE, YOU COULD AFFORD TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF OF THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED.

CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT 61.5 WOULD COVER ROUGHLY THE 61.2 THAT YOU'VE GOT IN THE BUDGET? YES, SIR. THAT'S OUR BELIEF. IT WOULD COVER ALL THE PAY INCREASES THAT WERE PROPOSED, AS WELL AS THE 2 MILLION IN RECURRING SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS, IS WHAT OUR INITIAL FIGURES ARE SHOWING. GREAT.

SO SO LET ME ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE POTTER COUNTY SIDE.

RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M UNCLEAR IS THE POTTER COUNTY DEBT RESERVE AND HOW THAT'S CALCULATING.

SO IF IF I'M LOOKING AT WHAT BOND COUNSEL SENT FOR ALL OF THE DEBT PAYMENTS, IT WAS 19.773.

WE HAD A NUMBER PLUGGED IN OF 20.9. YOU BELIEVE THAT 19.7 COULD GO DOWN TO A NUMBER THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE STATING, OR YOU JUST BELIEVE YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN AND WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE JUST KNOW IT'LL IT'LL GO DOWN. NOT QUITE SURE ON THE NUMBER.

WE INITIALLY THOUGHT WE HAD A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT'S THE EXCESS DEBT RESERVES THAT WE NEED TO GET HONED IN ON NOW BECAUSE WE WERE SHOWING WELL OVER 3 MILLION IN EXCESS.

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IF THAT GOES DOWN IN HALF, THE INS RATE MAY HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR IT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE TOO EARLY TO TELL NOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SHOWING CURRENTLY IN THE POTTER COUNTY SOFTWARE IS THAT THEY'VE GOT 72% OF A DOLLAR, BASICALLY 72% FACTORED IN FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND 28% FOR INS OR INTEREST IN SINKING WHEN IT SHOULD REALLY BE CLOSER TO A RATIO OF 77% O&M AND 23% INS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S STARTING TO GROW THAT EXCESS DEBT COLLECTIONS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING INTO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AS FAR AS HOW THEY TRACK IT. WE STILL JUST COLLECT IT ALL ABOUT WHAT THEY WHAT THEY TRACK IT AS.

THAT'S WHAT'S FED INTO THE TRUTH AND TAXATION FORM.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT ACCURATE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR TRUE VADER TAX RATE IS.

SO COUNCIL HERE, HERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO CHECK OFF THE LIST.

TEARS NO, $1.2 MILLION DEDUCT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO START WITH 61.5 AND THEN TAKE 1,000,002 OUT OF THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE AN EXPENDITURE THAT'S COMING OUT OF THAT.

WE'VE GOT THAT IN THE CALCULATION ABOVE CORRECT.

YEAH. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY BE AN IN AND OUT. YOU BRING IN THE THE REVENUE AND IT PUTS OUT THE EXPENSE TO THE TEARS FUND.

GREAT. SO SO WE CAN CHECK THAT ONE OFF. MONDAY IS BEING DISCUSSED.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE HEARING IT, BUT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS COME IN ON MONDAY HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO FINALIZE YOUR TAX RATE.

THE REASON THAT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED IS IF WE ARE GOING TO GO TOWARDS WHAT WOULD BE THE VADER, RIGHT, THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS 447.

AND SO IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WE COULD POTENTIALLY STILL TAKE ACTION TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S WISDOM IN THAT. AND I THINK WE SHOULD WE SHOULD PROBABLY ASK COUNSEL ON, ON THAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT IF WE JUST WALKED IN HERE TODAY AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, AND WE KNEW THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GOING TO BE, AND WE SAID STAFF, GO BACK AND RUN THESE DEBT SERVICES.

DOUBLE CHECK ALL THIS. WE'VE ALREADY FOUND SOME ERRORS, RIGHT? WE'VE ALREADY FOUND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE PLUGGED IN IN AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH A MONDAY MEETING IF WE'RE TRYING TO COME BACK IN HERE AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, 3% FOR OUR PERSONNEL IS NOT ENOUGH.

LIKE WE NEED FOUR. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT POLICE, FIRE AND CIVILIAN AS WELL AS OUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND THAT FUNCTION THIS CITY.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS, I THINK IT'S WELL WORTH.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD AVERAGE. THAT MIGHT AVERAGE, I DON'T KNOW, $1,200 PER EMPLOYEE ANNUALLY, 1500, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IN PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE IT'S BEST SUITED, THESE ARE MONIES THAT THAT WE HAVE.

ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT WE HAVE THE SENIOR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD CREATE A FUND FOR AND START PULLING BUDGET MONEY INTO THAT, EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, $100,000 A YEAR, ONE.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IF WE WANT TO, TO, TO DIG THROUGH THIS.

WHAT, WHAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IN DOING IS SAYING, WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO PASS THE VADER RATE IN ORDER TO DO ALL THAT.

YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE TO. WE NEED THESE ANSWERS.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE WILLING TO APPROVE A MAXIMUM CEILING, YOU CAN'T DO THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

SO IF ANY OF COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THAT ADDITIONAL $4 MILLION DO FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION.

YOU'VE GOT A $4 MILLION SWING UP TO THE 61.5.

YOU'D HAVE ANOTHER FOUR PLUS MILLION DOLLAR SWING POTENTIALLY UP FROM THERE.

IF YOU PASS THE HIGHEST RATE THAT YOU LEGALLY CAN.

I WALKED INTO THE MEETING TODAY HOPING THAT THE TRANSFERS IN AND THE DEBT SERVICE OUT WAS AROUND $3 MILLION.

AND, AND I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BACK.

IT DOESN'T LOOK, YOU KNOW, OPTIMISTIC. SO I, I GOT TO DO A LITTLE MORE HOMEWORK ON MY SIDE, BUT THE BUDGET IS STILL A WORKING BUDGET AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK.

IF, IF WE WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING THAT IS CLOSE TO THAT IN AN HOUR OR WE CAN COME IN ON MONDAY AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO SKIP PAST THE, THE MRS MCMURRAY PART OF THIS. IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, NOW'S THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, HOW DID WE GET HERE? WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? BUT THE GOAL HERE AT THE END OF THIS 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION IS TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.

ARE WE GOING INTO A MONDAY, A MONDAY AFTERNOON OR A MONDAY MORNING MEETING? OR ARE WE GOING TO AN N AND R RATE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY EFFICIENT STEWARDS OF THOSE MONIES.

COUNCIL I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT AND GET THE TRUE FIGURES.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN DECIDE ON A RATE TODAY NOT KNOWING THE FIGURES.

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I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'VE TALKED THAT NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

SO DOES IT COME OUT THAT WE'RE EQUAL. YES. A LITTLE ABOVE EVEN PROBABLY AROUND 800,000 TO 1 MILLION ABOVE. AND A GOOD PORTION OF THAT IS TAKING OUT THE TEARS PAYMENT.

THAT HELPS INCREASE THAT. WITHOUT THE TEARS ADJUSTMENT, IT'D PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO TO BREAK EVEN.

RIGHT? WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME.

OKAY, OKAY. I MEAN, MY OPINION IS I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE SEE THE NEW NUMBERS.

I NUMBERS. I THINK IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE.

I THINK IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE THAT WE DO HAVE MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD.

AND AGAIN, THANKS TO THE MAYOR FOR PULLING THAT THREAD AND KEEP PULLING IT UP.

AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THE, ON THE STAFF AND POLICE AND FIRE THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIZATION, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN NEGLECTED.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT ALL THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO ANDREW ON THE AVERAGE SALARIES OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO VERSUS THE MEDIAN AND AMARILLO.

AND WE'RE BEHIND, YOU KNOW, WE DID A PAY STUDY AND WE ARE BEHIND.

AND I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE TOOK, WE TOOK CARE OF THE ORGANIZATION, THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THIS.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL OF OUR JOB TO JUST BE A GOOD STEWARD OF, OF THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE.

AND, AND PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, INCREASING QUALITY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WANT TO INCREASE QUALITY SERVICES, BUT WE NEED TO IN ORDER TO DO THAT. THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF.

AND THAT INCLUDES BEING ABLE TO PAY THOSE GUYS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HERE WORKING THEIR TAIL OFF LIKE COLE SAID, BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

SO MY OPINION, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUE NUMBERS.

I DON'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUE NUMBERS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE IN FOUND MONEY. I MEAN, I TOTALLY LOST AT WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.

AND I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO MEET ON MONDAY, I'M GOOD WITH MEETING ON MONDAY.

I JUST LIKE TO BE PREPARED TO PRESENT IT IN A WAY THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE FINDING THIS MONEY. AND WE GOT THIS MONEY COMING IN AND THIS MONEY.

I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT ON MONDAY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEMED TO BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT SO FAR.

AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE THINKING, I MEAN, LET'S JUST DON'T BROADCAST THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THIS FOUND MONEY YET UNTIL I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE IT UNTIL LET'S GO THROUGH.

AND YOU GOT TO SHOW ME HOW THIS IS BECAUSE IF I'M GOING TO HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL WITH THIS AND DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

EVERYBODY'S GOT TO HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL. AND RIGHT NOW, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY COMFORT LEVEL ON THIS. AND THAT'S WHY OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MEET ON MONDAY, TO GIVE US THE TIME TO WORK WITH POTTER COUNTY AND RANDALL COUNTY TO GET A FINAL TRUTH AND TAXATION.

WHAT'S OUR DEADLINE? DROP DEAD DEADLINE ON. I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE JUST HAD TO VOTE ON A RATE NOT TO EXCEED.

CORRECT. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RATE COULD BE.

NOW THAT WE KNOW OUR EXCESS DEBT COLLECTIONS IS OFF BASED ON THE POTTER COUNTY NUMBERS, IT MAY BE A 45 CENT TAX RATE.

IS YOUR VADER VERSUS A 44 CENT TAX RATE. SO YOU COULD ALWAYS SET SOMETHING IN THE 43 CENT RANGE AND PROBABLY BE BE GOOD THAT YOU WOULDN'T EXCEED IT.

BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRUE CEILING IS UNTIL WE FINISH THAT CALCULATION WITH UPDATED POTTER COUNTY SCENARIO.

OKAY. BUT WE, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME MEET MONDAY AND SAY, OH, WAIT A MINUTE. WE I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST GETTING A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING.

YEAH. PART OF THE GOAL TODAY, A LOT OF THE SO THE STAFF WENT BACK TO MY OFFICE.

WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT MISS MCMURRAY. WE BROUGHT HER STAFF WITH US. SO WE. THE GOAL TODAY WAS TO WORK TOGETHER BEFORE THIS DISCUSSION TO BRING YOU A REVISED TRUTH AND TAXATION FORM.

BUT THEN WE DISCOVERED AN ISSUE THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE IN THE ROOM COULDN'T ANSWER. AND SO.

AND WE NEEDED POTTER COUNTY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, TIME RAN OUT.

WE COULDN'T GET THAT DONE IN TIME. SO OUR GOAL WAS TO HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU TONIGHT AFTER SOME QUICK HUDDLE UP.

BUT WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE THAT WAS BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO ANSWER TONIGHT.

AND SO. AND SO WINNERS ARE WHAT'S OUR DEADLINE.

SO OBVIOUSLY SEPTEMBER 29TH IS THE FINAL DROP DEAD PUBLIC HEARING DATE.

WE HAVE THE 22ND MEETING. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THINGS TO THE PAPER.

STEPHANIE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YES. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO THE PAPER BY THIS THURSDAY THE 10TH.

AND WE CAN SEND ANY FINAL EDITS BY THE END OF BUSINESS MONDAY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT MONDAY. SO MONDAY IS OUR.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE BRING. MONDAY, THEY'LL NEED TO BE A VOTE ON A ON A CEILING.

AND WE CAN'T MEET BEFORE THEN BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN NOTICE REQUIREMENT FOR.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE FULL BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING CAN TAKE PLACE.

THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MONDAY, RIGHT? NO, IT DOESN'T MEAN MONDAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAST DAY THAT THE PAPER.

THAT'S THE LAST DAY. BUT WE CAN DO IT BEFORE THEN.

BUT YOU CAN'T MEET BEFORE THEN BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE WE CAN'T SET A MEETING. WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE FULL BUSINESS DAYS NOTICE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. SO WE COULD

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MEET FRIDAY UNDER UNDER THE NEW UNDER THE NEW RULES THAT WENT INTO EFFECT THIS LAST YEAR, YOU NEED THREE FULL BUSINESS DAYS, WHICH WOULD BE WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY. THE EARLIEST YOU COULD MEET IS MONDAY.

SO IT'S NOT IT'S WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HOURS. IT'S NOT 72 HOURS ANYMORE.

YOU CAN'T INCLUDE THE THIRD DAY. THE THIRD DAY IS PART OF THE IN BETWEEN.

AND IT HAS TO BE BEFORE 10 A.M. NO, I THINK ANYTIME MONDAY MORNING OR BEFORE NOON ON MONDAY WOULD GIVE US TIME THAT AFTERNOON TO PREFERABLY MORNING, SO THAT IF THERE ARE WHATEVER CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE NOTICE, OUR CFO CAN GET THOSE TO THE NEWSPAPER BY END OF BUSINESS ON MONDAY.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH RANDALL AND POTTER COUNTY PRIOR TO MONDAY TO GET YOU MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS, ACCURATE NUMBERS ON THE TRUTH AND TAXATION FORM.

SO, COUNCILMAN REED, YOU'VE BEEN QUIET OVER THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AND NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE AT.

ARE YOU THINKING THIS IN IN OUR RATE NOW THAT WE KNOW IS 61.5 MILLION, THAT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.

I'M WITH LES ON THIS ONE. I AM SO LOST ON THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

AND SO, I MEAN, WE'RE FORCED TO HAVE OUR, OUR, OUR MEETING ON MONDAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN ADOPT TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FIGURES ARE. SO. WELL, I KNOW COUNCIL HASN'T BEEN TREATED WELL ON THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUDGET.

I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A, AN EXCELLENT JOB OF QUESTIONING, ASKING QUESTIONS AND REALLY TRYING TO WALK THIS OUT.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE HERE AND I GET THE FRUSTRATION, BUT LIKE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CONDITION THAT WE'RE IN.

RIGHT? AND THE CONDITION WE'RE IN IS A GOOD ONE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT $4 MILLION IN THE HOLE. WE WE THINK YOU'RE GOING TO TRUST, BUT VERIFY.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. I KNOW NOTHING.

I MEAN, LET'S LET'S COME INTO IT MONDAY. I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN TAKE A FRESH STAB AT IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU TWO GET IT.

APPARENTLY YOU'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT MAYBE THE REST OF US HAVEN'T HAD BEEN ABLE TO HAVE.

SO MAYBE IF WE CAN ALL HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSIONS TOGETHER, WE CAN ALL GET UP TO SPEED AND GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, I THINK. AND JUST BEING ON THIS SIDE OF IT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN IS WHERE WE WERE WITH THE CALCULATIONS AND WHY.

AND THEN NOW THE REAL CALCULATIONS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD I THINK THAT WOULD BRING CLARITY.

WE'LL BASICALLY BRING AN UPDATE OF WHAT'S ON YOUR SLIDE HERE.

THIS IS WHERE WE WERE. AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE THE TRUE CALCULATION ENDS UP BEING.

I THINK LIKE, JUST WALK THROUGH THE MATH, I THINK WILL ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS, THE CONFUSION, I THINK. YES, SIR. EVERYBODY AVAILABLE ON MONDAY MORNING.

I AM PROBABLY AFTER 930. SO I'VE GOT A MEETING AT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

MONDAY 10:00, MAYBE 1030, 11. WHAT'S BEST? 11 WOULD PROBABLY WORK BEST FOR ME.

11 IS THE BEST. COUNCILMAN READ. CAN CAN ONE OF YOU GUYS TEXT PRESCOTT, SEE WHAT HIS AVAILABILITY IS? YEAH, WE'LL WORK ON THAT. YEAH, I'M AVAILABLE ANYTIME ON MONDAY MORNING TO MAKE SURE WE COME IN WITH EVERYTHING. RIGHT. BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT IS OUR, OUR D DAY, RIGHT? SO THESE TRANSFERS IN UNDERSTANDING THE TRANSFERS THAT ARE GOING IN TO THAT DEBT FUND, THERE WAS $8 MILLION SHOWN ON THIS PAGE.

BUT IT'S LISTED UNDERNEATH THE TRANSFERS IN FROM WHAT YOU WOULD SAY IS GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? SO I'M EXPECTING IT TO COME IN FROM ENTITIES OR FUNDS THAT ARE ARE WITHIN GENERAL FUND.

I'M NOT EXPECTING THAT 8 MILLION TO BE FUNDED BY HOT TAX.

I'M THINKING HOT TAX SITS OVER ON ITS OWN SIDE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE AS THEY COME IN TO I BELIEVE IT'S EVEN ON A DIFFERENT PAGE.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT IT. SO HERE'S HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE.

I NEED THAT OTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. SO IF I'M TALKING TO BOND COUNSEL, HE'S TELLING ME THESE ARE ALL YOUR GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBTS, RIGHT? AND THIS IS HOW ALL THIS WORKS. AND THIS IS COMING FROM FLEET, BUT THIS IS COMING FROM ITS OWN FUND.

AND SO WHERE THOSE MONIES ARE ENDING UP IN THAT ONE DEBT FUND TO PAY ALL THAT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE REALLY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF OF HOW THOSE COME

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IN. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EXPENDITURES OUT.

WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS IF, IF WE'VE FUNDED $4 MILLION THROUGH FLEET.

BUT OUR DEBT SERVICE IS 2.4 MILLION. DID WE LEAVE THE BALANCE IN THE FLEET FUND, OR DID WE PUT IT OVER IN DEBT SERVICE? AND IT'S ACTUALLY SITTING THERE, AND THAT IS THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER'S NEXT ON THE LIST.

SO DO YOU THINK, MR. FREEMAN, THAT THAT'S REAL CLEAR.

AND NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE PAPERWORK THAT I'M LOOKING AT AND YOU'VE UNDERSTOOD, YEAH, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK ON ON MONDAY, I THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT CLEAR.

OKAY. YES, SIR. COUNCIL YOU'RE ONLY ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE BUDGET.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET OVER ON THE EXPENDITURES.

WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE VERY WELL IS WE FOUGHT PRETTY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRACKING DOWN CIP PROJECTS.

AND NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK TO YOU. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE MAKING BUDGET AMENDMENTS, MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENTS, END OF THE YEAR. SO ON THE EXPENDITURE EXPENDITURE SIDE, LET'S LET'S COME MONDAY TO REALLY FIGURE OUT THESE REVENUES.

LET'S PASS A HEALTHY BUDGET THAT GETS TO EVERYTHING WE CAN.

BUT LET'S REALLY HOLD THESE ACTUALS ACCOUNTABLE AS WE GET THE ACTUALS IN FROM THE END OF THIS CURRENT YEAR.

LET'S AGREE. LET'S DO A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT.

LET'S COME IN HERE AND LET'S DO THIS JOB RIGHT.

THIS IS NOT A ONCE A YEAR THING. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO TO PERSONNEL.

I THINK WE NEED TO PUSH FOR PERSONNEL ON THE FRONT END.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED OF YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT ON MONDAY AND YOU KNOW, OR MAN BY THE 29TH, LET'S LET'S MAKE SURE WE CAN WALK AWAY FROM THIS LAST BUDGET KNOWING THAT WE REALLY RAN IT.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE TRACKING THAT WAY. NOW, I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO FALL, BUT I BELIEVE BY MONDAY AT LUNCH WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE WHERE OUR REVENUES ARE.

AND THEN I HOPE IT'S A SHORTER MEETING AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP.

MRS. MCMURRAY, WE BOTHERED YOU AND HAD YOU COME AND SIT THROUGH ALL OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO WE HOPE YOU ARE ENTERTAINED AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE INNER WORKINGS OF CITY GOVERNMENT EVEN MORE SO.

BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO ADD OR WOULD LIKE TO SAY OR ARE YOU GOOD IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU ANYMORE.

I THINK IT'S A COMEBACK. I JUST DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU NEEDED TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.

HELLO. CHRISTINA MCMURRAY, RANDALL COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME.

MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD IN TALKING WITH GRAYSON AND ANDREW IS ONCE WE GET THE NUMBERS THAT WE NEED, MY STAFF AND I CAN HAVE THAT CALCULATION DONE WITHIN 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.

AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, THEN THE CALCULATION WILL BE IN YOUR HANDS.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ADD. THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. WE APPRECIATE YOU SITTING THROUGH THIS MEETING AND THEN ALL THE HELP EARLIER TODAY AND PREVIOUS WEEK.

COUNCIL ANYTHING BEFORE WE SCHEDULE A TIME, I WOULD THINK ONE TIME THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS BROUGHT UP TODAY OF SOME DOCUMENTS AND BOND COUNCIL THINGS AND THINGS YOU GOT MAYBE IF WE'RE GOING TO REFER TO THOSE, IF MAYBE IF ALL OF US COULD HAVE A COPY OF IT TO LOOK AT BECAUSE I THE THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT TODAY THAT KIND OF FACTORED INTO THE CONVERSATION KIND OF, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO EVERYTHING THAT CHRISTINA SHARED IS, IS PUBLIC AND CAN BE SHARED WITH COUNSEL.

EVERYTHING COMING FROM BOND COUNSEL. MR. FREEMAN HAS, HE CAN SHARE THAT.

IT WAS JUST A PROJECTION ON DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS.

EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I'M REFERENCING CAME OUT OF YOUR BUDGET BOOK.

AND SO ALL OF THE OTHER DOCUMENTS ARE BACK AROUND A PAGE 1030 PLUS.

I'VE GOT THE BUDGET. IT WAS JUST THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK IF IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT, GETTING WITH STAFF BEFORE MONDAY MORNING WOULD BE GREAT. CAN WE SAY MONDAY AT 11? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? YES, SIR. WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM DAVID, BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE COMFORTABLE TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

REAL GOOD. ANYTHING FURTHER ON? ITEM 4.2, GENTLEMEN.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. ITEM 4.3. ANY FUTURE AGENDA REQUESTS?

[4.3. Request future agenda items and reports from City Manager () ]

I'VE GOT TWO. MAYOR, IF I COULD PLEASE. SURE.

ONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN UPDATING UPDATE ON UTILITY BILLING.

MAYBE AT OUR NEXT MEETING. I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING AN AUDIT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE, WHETHER WE'RE FINISHED WITH THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT I'M GETTING PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING TO ME.

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WE HEARD EARLIER TODAY OF LONG LINES TO GET IN TO DEAL WITH THE BILL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BECAUSE. SO AND THEN I'M HEARING PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT THEIR AUGUST BILL GETTING SOME UN, YOU KNOW, SOME SPIKES THAT DON'T APPEAR NORMAL EVEN WITH THAT.

SO I JUST HAD TO KIND OF GET AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET A REPORT BACK FROM THE COMPANY THAT WE PAID THE MONEY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ON THE THE NEXT ONE, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT TRANSFORMATION PARK.

COUNCIL MEMBER PRESCOTT AND I KIND OF VISITED THE PARK LAST WEEK THE FUTURE LOCATION OF THE DAY CENTER, THE HUB, TEMPORARY FOOD SERVICE LOCATION AND KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

AND I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO BUSINESSES, NOT ONLY SOME THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED HERE, BUT OTHER OTHER BUSINESSES WHO HAVE BEEN GOOD, GOOD NEIGHBORS IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS, BUT ARE FACING SOME STRUGGLES RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE HAD BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA THAT YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY'VE HAD TO INVEST IN VARIOUS SECURITY METHODS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMPLAINING.

THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY AS WELL.

THESE ARE WAREHOUSES. THIS IS BASICALLY AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THERE'S ONE COMPANY THAT HAS 3 OR 4 WAREHOUSES.

THERE ARE PEOPLE MOVING EQUIPMENT, ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME THROUGH THERE.

BUT I DO THINK IN LOOKING AT KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT AREA, WHEN THE HUB MOVES ACROSS THE STREET IN THE DAY CENTER WE'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL OF SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF AND TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS MAYBE CAN WE GET THE STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PREPARED FOR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT IN THAT AREA IN THE DAY CENTER AREA AND TRANSFORMATION PARK WHEN THE DAY CENTER OPENS? AND TO ME, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK WE NEED TO GET EVERYBODY TO THE TABLE.

SO THAT'D BE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT AREA COMMUNITY SERVICES, TRANSFORMATION PARK, DAY CENTER PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THOSE, THOSE AREAS.

THE ONES I TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING.

THEY REALIZE THE MISSION. THEY WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CHALLENGES DOWN THERE IF WE WAIT AND SEE JUST WHAT HAPPENS ORGANICALLY.

MAYBE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, PARTICULARLY BEFORE THE DAY CENTER OPENS. SO IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD MAYBE GET A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THAT. COUNCILMAN HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE ON THAT? WHEN'S THAT DAY CENTER COME ONLINE? DO YOU KNOW? DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. WAS IT PRETTY FAR ALONG? I THINK IT'S AROUND NOVEMBER IS WHAT THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR.

GREAT TO FINISH CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T THINK COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO MOVE UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.

SO CITY MANAGEMENT CAN WE GET THROUGH BUDGET AND ALL OF THIS STUFF BEFORE WE PUT THESE ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEMS ON? ARE YOU, DOES THAT GIVE YOU TIME TO GET WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT ALSO GET THINGS? I ALREADY TASK MANAGING DIRECTOR RIDDLEBERGER WITH WORKING TOWARDS A PRESENTATION FOR THAT TO COME HERE PRETTY SOON.

AND ALSO I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH CHRIS ECKERT ON NUGENT CONSULTING.

HE'S ALMOST DONE WITH HIS AUDIT FOR UTILITY BILLING.

AND SO I'M GOING TO CHECK WITH HIM AGAIN TOMORROW AND SEE IF HE CAN'T COME TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SO HE CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AUDIT.

AND THEN THEN OUR STAFF CAN SPEAK ABOUT THE ABOUT THE WAIT TIMES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS ON TOP OF THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO WORK BOTH OF THOSE HERE PRETTY QUICK.

YEAH. REAL GOOD. ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA REQUESTS? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OURSELVES FORWARD. WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHED SECTION FIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO SECTION SIX, THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[6. Consent Agenda - It is recommended that the following items be approved and that the City Manager be authorized to execute all documents necessary for each transaction. The following items may be acted upon by one motion. No separate discussion or action on any of the items is necessary unless desired by a Councilmember, in which event the item shall be considered in its normal sequence, after the items not requiring separate discussion have been acted upon by a single motion.]

COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYTHING LISTED IN THIS CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU NEED PULLED OFF FOR FURTHER DETAIL? WOULD REQUEST A MOTION ON SECTION SIX. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. LET'S MOVE INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[7.1. Discuss and Consider Proposed Tax Rate. This item is to discuss and consider the proposed tax rate for maintenance and operation and debt service for the proposed 2026/2027 City of Amarillo fiscal year budget. (Lola Ogunremi, Chief Financial Officer) ]

SECTION SEVEN. WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM 7.1 HERE.

TAKE NO ACTION ON THAT. WE'VE PUT THAT DOWN AS AN ACTION ITEM BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION, WHICH WE HAVE NOW MOVED TO MONDAY AT 11 FOR ANYBODY WHO'S CLUING BACK IN. WE WILL LIVE STREAM ALL THAT BE A POSTED MEETING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

FEEL FREE TO COME 11:00 MONDAY HERE IN THE CHAMBERS OR LOG ON AND YOU CAN WATCH NO ACTION ON SEVEN.

ONE ITEM 7.2 TAKES UP ONE OF OUR FIRST OF MANY, MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS BY EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE PRESENTER,

[7.2. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8258. This item is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance considering the rezoning of a 4.56 acre portion of Block 1, Washington Industrial Tracts Addition, an addition to the City of Amarillo, in Section 173, Block 2, A.B.& M. Survey, Randall County, Texas, plus one-half of all bounding streets, alleys, and public ways, to change from Light Industrial District to Planned Development 413 District for a manufactured home park subdivision with reduced lot width and area minimums. (VICINITY: S.W. 47th Ave. & Washington St.; APPLICANT/S: Geospatial Data, Inc. for Collins Family Properties, LLC) (Brady Kendrick, Senior Planner)]

BRADY KENDRICK. HOW YOU DOING, SIR? GOOD GOOD GOOD.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE'LL START WITH 7.2 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE 8258.

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THIS IS THE. CONSIDER THE REZONING OF A 4.564.56 ACRE PORTION OF BLOCK ONE WASHINGTON INDUSTRIAL TRACKS EDITION.

THIS IS IN THE CITY OF AMARILLO IN RANDALL COUNTY, TEXAS, IN THE VICINITY OF SOUTHWEST 47TH AVENUE IN WASHINGTON STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS GEOSPATIAL DATA, INC., FORT COLLINS FAMILY'S PROPERTIES, LLC, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING THE REZONE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 413 FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK SUBDIVISION WITH REDUCED LOT WIDTH AND AREA MINIMUMS. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS CHANGE IN ZONING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WITH 44 LOTS FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES.

BECAUSE THE PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET THOSE MINIMUM LOT STANDARDS.

AND WITH THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

REGARDING THE CITY PLAN 2045 PLACE TYPE, IT IS MANUFACTURING AND LOGISTICS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS LOCATED SOUTH OF 46TH AVENUE, ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE BNSF RAILWAY IN AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AS IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED. IT IS NOTED THAT THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS AND MANUFACTURED HOME SUBDIVISIONS BY RIGHT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

AND I'LL GO OVER A FEW OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING VERSUS THE TYPICAL STANDARDS.

TYPICALLY MINIMUM SPACE OR LOT SIZE FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK IS 3500FT².

A MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS OR MANUFACTURED HOME SUBDIVISION WOULD BE 5000FT².

THE SMALLEST PROPOSED LOT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 3421FT².

REGARDING MINIMUM WIDTHS, PARKS DO NOT HAVE A MINIMUM WIDTH.

SUBDIVISIONS HAVE A 50 FOOT WIDTH MINIMUM. AND THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS IS 26FT.

AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OTHER KEY DIFFERENCES.

TYPICALLY MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS REQUIRE AT 8% OF THE PARK AREA, BE DEDICATED TO A PARK AREA OR OPEN SPACE WHERE THE RESIDENTS AND.

THERE ARE MINIMUM STORAGE FACILITY AND COMMON AREA REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

WHILE THE MANUFACTURED HOME SUBDIVISIONS HAVE THAT 50 BY 105,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT REQUIREMENT, THAT'S MORE TYPICAL OF A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

IN EXAMINING THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, THE DESIGN IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE DENSITY AND LOT SIZE TYPICALLY SEEN WITHIN A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK THAN THAT OF A SUBDIVISION.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS OF THE BELIEF THAT THE PROPOSED LOTS.

THE SPACE SIZE IS ADEQUATE FOR THE HOMES AND ASSOCIATED YARD SPACE FOR EACH.

THE APPLICANT DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE INFILL PROJECT FOR THE AREA, GIVEN THAT THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS AND SUBDIVISIONS BY RIGHT. WHILE THE PROPOSAL DOES FIND ITSELF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A PARK AND A SUBDIVISION IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND LACK OF AMENITIES, THE DEVELOPER HAS STATED THAT GIVEN THE SITE CONSTRAINTS POSED BY THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THERE'S A STRIP OF PROPERTY OWNED BY ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM ACCESSING 46TH AVENUE.

THIS WAS, IN THEIR OPINION, THE BEST DESIGN THAT TRIED TO BALANCE ALL THE NEEDS AND ELEMENTS OF AN INFILL PROJECT.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID CONSIDER THIS ITEM IN A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE COMMISSIONERS DID HAVE A NUMBER OF THOUGHTS TO NOTE ON THIS REQUEST REGARDING.

I'LL NOTE UP FRONT, THE VOTE WAS 4 TO 2 ON THIS ITEM TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT HAD CONCERNS AND VOTED AGAINST THE REQUEST.

THESE WERE THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS. THE PROPOSAL WOULD ALLOW A HYBRID TYPE LAND USE AND MIX OF A MANUFACTURED HOME, SUBDIVISION AND PARK IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT TYPICALLY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

ALLOWING SUCH IN AN INDUSTRIALLY ZONED AREA COULD RESULT IN LAND USE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES.

THE SECOND POINT WAS THE PROPOSAL WOULD PROMOTE A MORE TRANSIENT TYPE CHARACTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH PEOPLE WOULD MOVE IN AND OUT CONSTANTLY, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT TRUE CHARACTER. GIVEN THE LACK OF TYPICAL AMENITIES OR CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE STANDARD REGULATIONS FOR MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS AND SUBDIVISIONS WOULD PROMOTE AND REQUIRE, THE PROPOSAL, GIVEN IT IS A MIX OF A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK AND SUBDIVISION, LACKS TYPICAL REQUIREMENTS AND CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE CODE WOULD PROMOTE, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO A LESS DESIRABLE PRODUCT FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THAT COULD PUT PRESSURE ON OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY FROM RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY SEEKING THOSE AMENITIES ELSEWHERE VERSUS WITHIN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND LASTLY, THE REQUEST GOES AGAINST CITY CITY PLAN VISION 2045, WHICH IS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF AMARILLO, WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION UNLESS SPECIAL CONDITIONS EXIST THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

CITY PLAN RECOMMENDS PRESERVATION OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT PROVIDE LOCAL JOBS BY INTRODUCING A NEW AND DENSE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT INTO THIS AREA.

AS PART OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD BE ENCROACHING INTO AN ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREA.

WHILE THE ZONING AND LAND USE TRANSITIONS CAN BALANCE THESE ENCROACHMENTS NEAR INDUSTRIAL AREAS SUCH AS NOT PRESENT OR PROPOSED IN THIS SITUATION,

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IN THE OPINION OF THOSE TWO COMMISSIONERS AND A KEY GOAL OF CITY PLANNERS, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT APPLY TO THIS SITUATION IS REDUCING ADJACENCIES TO INCOMPATIBLE USES AND PROTECTING AGAINST HARM THAT INCOMPATIBLE INCOMPATIBILITIES MAY CAUSE.

NOW, FOR THE FOUR COMMISSIONERS THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF REQUEST OF THE REQUEST, THEY IDENTIFIED THE KEY REASONS AS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE COUNCIL.

THE PROJECT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY.

THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE OPINION OF THESE COMMISSIONERS REPRESENTS A TRANSITION IN ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS NEARBY. THE DEPARTURE FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS FOR MANUFACTURED HOME PARK SUBDIVISIONS IS APPROPRIATE, AND THE LOT, SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE TRACT MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS REQUESTED UNIQUE TO THE SPECIFIC SITUATION AND LOCATION.

WHILE TRYING TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF MEETING THE CODE AND EXECUTING ON AN INFILL PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY.

REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, THERE WERE FIVE CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY STAFF.

ONE WAS A GENERAL INQUIRY AND FOUR WERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, AND THOSE INCLUDED REPRESENTATIVES OF BOTH RESIDENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH AND AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY OWNER NEARBY. THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE FOUR CALLERS INCLUDED A POTENTIAL IMPACT OF PROPERTY VALUES, CONCERNS ABOUT AN INCREASE IN CRIME, INCREASES IN TRAFFIC AND THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE NOT BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

WITH THAT, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM WITH A FOUR TWO VOTE.

TO YOU ALL. AND WITH THAT, I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEVELOPER HERE AS WELL.

QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. YOU HAD A FOUR TWO VOTE ON THIS.

THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCIL. WHY Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT? WE COULD GO AHEAD AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRADY OR EITHER OF THE REPRESENTATIVES.

MAYBE MR. DAVIS BACK THERE IF YOU GOT ANY. SO WHAT IS THE WHAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 46? I DON'T RECALL THE SPECIFIC NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION AS IT'S PLOTTED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

OKAY. BUT IT'S JUST YOUR TRADITIONAL. YES. IT'S A TRADITIONALLY CONSTRUCTED R-3 NEIGHBORHOOD, I BELIEVE IS THE ZONING, BUT IT'S YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ACROSS 46 TO THE NORTH THERE.

YEAH. AND THEN YOU USED THE TERM CALLED INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN THAT'S A I MEAN, GENERALLY WHAT IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DOES THIS IS THIS FALL UNDER THE TYPE OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO INFILL DEVELOPMENT ESSENTIALLY USES UTILIZING PARCELS WITHIN THE CITY THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE NEARBY THAT COULD BE EASILY TIED INTO AND COULD REPRESENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY THAT UTILIZE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL STRAIN ON HAVING TO CONSTRUCT MORE.

NOW THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO LOOKING AT APPROPRIATE INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S KIND OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ASPECT OF IT AND ALSO LOOKING AT ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS IN THE AREA. NOW IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE THERE ARE STREETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEARBY, BUT IN THE PLANNING, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS THOUGH HAD THE CONCERN ABOUT THIS BEING APPROPRIATE FROM THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS IN THE AREA THAT THE TWO THAT VOTED AGAINST ITEM HAD CONCERNS THAT MAY BE INTRODUCING THIS INTO AN INDUSTRIAL AREA MAY NOT BE THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE IN THE WORLD.

SO THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. COUNCIL. ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. KENDRICK? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. IF YOU DON'T MIND TO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST? GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP. YOU CAN. YOU CAN GO FIRST.

THAT'S GOOD. I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SURE.

TELL ME YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD. SO WE GET IT DONE. OKAY.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. YOU MENTIONED A BUSINESS CALLED HOW MANY BUSINESSES CALLED ABOUT THIS? ONLY ONE. OKAY. WERE THEY FOR OR AGAINST ON THIS ONE? THE PERSON THAT WE HEARD FROM THAT STATED THEY WERE A BUSINESS SAID THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY. SO THEY VOICED A COMMENT IN OPPOSITION THAT WE HEARD FROM.

OKAY. THAT WAS ME. AND I DID NOT VOICE THAT. WHAT I WAS INQUIRING ABOUT IS IF THE BUFFER ZONE, AS YOU SAID, WENT INTO OUR AREA, WHICH I DON'T MIND THAT I DON'T MIND ANYONE PUTTING ANYTHING UP.

MY CONCERN IS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, MY LOT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH, IF YOU CAN SEE THERE.

WE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT EXPANDING OUR WAREHOUSE.

THAT IS THE LAND THAT WE HAVE. IF WE IF WE MOVE THIS TO A RESIDENTIAL, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN TO EXPAND OUR WAREHOUSE WHEN WE DO?

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NOW, YOU DID SAY THIS WAS A BUFFER ZONE. SO IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND YOUR WAREHOUSE, ASSUMING THAT THE USE IS ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TYPICAL SITE PLAN PROCESS.

BUT A REZONING WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED IF YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY EXPANDING YOUR EXISTING BUSINESS IN THE AREA.

SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO WORRY ABOUT THE THE RESIDENTS THERE AT THAT AREA.

AND THE ZONING OF YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT CHANGING.

SO IF YOU'RE PROPOSING JUST AN EXPANSION OF YOUR EXISTING BUSINESS, YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

OKAY. AND I COULD HAVE THAT IN WRITING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S SHOWING IT RIGHT THERE. IT SHOWS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN YELLOW, IT'S IN THE GRAY AREA. SO THE WHAT THE GRAY AREA ON THE MAP IS, THAT'S THE 200 FOOT NOTICE AREA THAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO MAIL NOTICES TO.

OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT CHANGING YOUR ZONING OR LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THAT'S JUST GRAPHICALLY SHOWING THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE NOTICES IN THE MAIL.

SO WE JUST DO THAT TO BE HELPFUL WITH THE NOTICES.

OKAY. NEXT QUESTION IS HOW MANY, HOW MANY TRAILER PARK OR TRAILER HOMES WILL BE THERE? 44, 44. AND THE ONLY ENTRANCE AND EXIT FROM THAT IS GOING TO BE ON 47TH.

CORRECT? THERE WILL BE ONE OFF OF 47TH. AND ALSO THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT.

POLK STREET IS ACTUALLY DEDICATED NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY ON THE EAST, BUT IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTED.

THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO CONSTRUCT POLK STREET. SO IT TIES IN BETWEEN 46 AND 40 SEVENTH.

THEY WILL ALSO HAVE AN ENTRANCE OFF OF THAT NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SEGMENT OF POLK STREET THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD.

OKAY. LAST QUESTION WELL, THEY ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRASH THAT ENDS UP IN THAT AREA.

AND THE REASON I SAY THIS IS I'VE HAD TO PAY PEOPLE TO COME AND PICK UP TRASH OFF THE STREETS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS GOING TO FIND US.

WILL THIS BE A JOINT EFFORT, OR ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING? THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES AND PROPER IN PROPER ORDER REGARDING TRASH.

I WALKED THEM ALL YESTERDAY AND DUMP A BUNCH OF TRASH IN THE STREET.

YEAH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MUNICIPAL CODE JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.

OKAY. SO LET ME THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO THAT.

GOOD QUESTIONS. IF YOU DO HAVE A LITTERING ISSUE, LIKE WE PROBABLY TRY TO CONNECT YOU TO OUR MARSHAL'S OFFICE SO THEY CAN GET IN FRONT OF THAT. THAT WAY WE'RE ENFORCING THOSE LAWS. SO THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, MR. KENDRICK. I BELIEVE WE'RE WE'RE GOOD WITH YOU AS WELL.

DO I HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE? IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? YES, SIR. YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND, GIVE US YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

COLBY COLLINS. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.

LIKEWISE. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT I CAN ANSWER? I'M HAPPY TO YOU KNOW, I THINK IF YOU HAD SOMETHING JUST TO SPEAK IN GENERAL FOR THIS, WE PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL MARKET CONDITIONS ARE THAT YOU'RE SEEING FOR THIS TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, MAY I ANSWER HIS QUESTION HERE? SURE. WE'VE ALSO HAD WE HAD A HOMELESS PROBLEM ON THIS LAND THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF.

WE'VE ALSO HAD A LITTERING ISSUE. PEOPLE CONSTANTLY JUST TAKING DUMP TRAILERS OVER THERE AND JUST DUMPING ON THIS LAND.

SO WE THINK THAT BY FILLING THIS AREA IN, WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF A LOT OF THE HOMELESS ISSUE THAT'S IN JUST THESE LOCAL VACANT AREAS.

SO WE DO THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP AND HELP YOUR COMPANY AS WELL.

GREAT. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE, THE SMALLER LOTS, I KNOW BRADY REALLY IS, IS IN ON THE UNDER 3500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

TWO OF THE 44 UNDER 3500 SQUARE FOOT. THE MAJORITY OF THE LOTS ARE OVER 400 ZERO SQUARE FOOT.

TEN MINUTES ON CAD FROM DUSTIN. THEY WILL ALL BE OVER 3500.

AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. THE 26 FOOT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE AWARE OF OUR PROJECT OVER ON NORTHWEST NINTH OVER ON THE BOULEVARD WE'VE BUILT, THEY RUN 25 FOOT LOTS. WE BUILT 18 HOMES OVER THERE.

THE, THE, THE PNC, THE TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT, THEY WANT THE EIGHT, 8% GREEN SPACE.

IF WE WERE TO DO THE MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION OR MOBILE HOME PARK, THE MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A BIGGER LOT THAN WHAT THE MOBILE HOME PARK WOULD BE.

WE'RE PROVIDING A PRIVATE YARD. 45 BY 26 WILL BE THE TYPICAL BACKSIDE YARD.

I MEAN, SWING SET, TRAMPOLINE, DOG RUN. THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE YARD RATHER THAN A SHARED SPACE.

I DON'T THINK 44 HOMES WANT A SHARED PARK. THAT'S ONLY 8% OF 4.44.5 ACRES.

IT'LL BE REALLY SMALL. SO I THINK GIVEN THAT PERSONAL AREA, IT'LL BE WAY MORE ADMIRABLE.

ALSO, IF WE DID GO, THE MOBILE HOME PARK ROUTE CAN'T SELL INDIVIDUALLY.

WE CAN ACTUALLY OFFER LOW INCOME HOUSING HERE THAT'S FOR SALE.

AND THEY CAN OWN THEIR OWN LAND AND HOME. AND IT FITS IN WITH THE GABLES AREA.

I BELIEVE THE GABLES AVERAGE HOME IS BETWEEN 80 AND MAYBE 100,000 110,000.

SO WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE IN THAT. AND WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN ANY USED MANUFACTURED HOMES.

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THEY'LL ALL BE BRAND NEW, BRAND NEW HOMES. WHAT'S YOUR MARKET RATE OVER THERE.

SO YOU'RE 1000 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOME, MAYBE 1200 SQUARE FOOT.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN A FOUR BED, TWO BATH. OKAY. CLAYTON PRODUCT.

WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO SELL THOSE TO INDIVIDUALS FOR? OH, WITH LAND, I THINK WE COULD SELL THEM FOR ABOUT 119,000.

WOW. OKAY. AND IT'LL BE EXTREMELY AFFORDABLE.

IT'LL BE VERY HARD TO COMPETE WITH. TRY TO GET IT ANYWHERE ELSE.

AND WE'RE BRINGING MANUFACTURED HOMES INTO THE SOUTHWEST AREA FOR A BETTER SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE WE OWN PARADISE HILLS OVER ON NORTHEAST 32ND AND GRANT AND A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS OUT THERE, THEY WANT IN THAT CAPROCK AREA, SOUTHLAND AREA, KIND OF AWAY FROM THE NORTH SIDE, SOME SOME OF IT, SOME HATE IT. AND WE THINK WE CAN OFFER THAT PRODUCT AT A COMPETITIVE RATE.

REAL GOOD. MR. COLLINS, THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YES, SIR.

QUICK QUESTION. SO SO THESE THESE ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. IF SOMEONE PURCHASED IT, CAN THEY SUBLET IT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN HOA. WE'RE ONCE WE KNOW.

I'M SAYING IF I BUY IT, DO I HAVE TO LIVE THERE? OR COULD I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO BUY FIVE OF THESE AND I'M GOING TO RENT THEM OUT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO IF THEY IF THEY WERE TO BUY A LOT AND THEN RENT IT OUT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO, NOR DO I WANT TO REALLY BE IN CHARGE OF.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE NATURE OF THE.

I GUESS THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS. MAYBE THE.

THE BOARD HAD IS JUST WHAT THE NATURE OF THIS IS.

SO YOU OWN AN EXISTING FACILITY IN ALREADY. I MEAN, AN EXISTING SOMETHING SIMILAR SUBDIVISION.

AND WHAT WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THAT? IS THERE IS IT IS IT VERY.

IS THAT IS THAT TRANSIENT OR IS THERE A LOT OF CHANGE OR WHO OWNS THAT? OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? 165 HOMES OUT THERE.

AND THEN I LEASE OUT 115 LOTS. SO WE VARY FROM RENT, SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, AND PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN HOMES AND JUST RENT A LOT FROM US.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOOD QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. YEAH, I'M JUST HERE FOR THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THINGS SO I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF, ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF STREETS, WATER, SEWER PAVING, DRAINAGE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ANY ENGINEERING QUESTIONS. COUNCIL.

THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE YOU DUSTIN. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL ITEM SEVEN. WELL, I'M SORRY, I'D LIKE TO.

CAN I ASK ONE THING? YES. OF THE COUNCIL. I REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN WE GET SOMETHING FROM A BOARD.

AND I'VE GOT SOME. I THINK I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE ON THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE IF IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM, MAYBE HAVE TWO MORE WEEKS ON THIS, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND KIND OF HEAR THOSE THAT VOTED TO SUPPORT IT.

THOSE DIDN'T WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE. I KIND OF LIKE TO GO OUT, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AREA AS WELL AS THE ONE THEY'VE GOT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS.

SO I'D ASK IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. CAN WE HAVE TWO MORE WEEKS AND THEN AND I'LL BE PREPARED AT THAT TIME TO KIND OF DO MY DUTY.

I'D JUST LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WHAT THE THOUGHTS WERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO I DO BELIEVE LIKE IT'S ALWAYS GOOD DUE DILIGENCE, LIKE TAKE YOUR TIME.

BUT THEN LET ME SEE HERE, IF IN THE, THE WAY OF WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THE BOARD AND THEY MAY HAVE HAD SOME, SOME CONCERNS, BUT THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S DESIGNED.

THE OWNERS THAT ARE AROUND IT, WE HEARD FROM THE ONLY OWNER WHO HAD A DISPUTE OR A WORRY.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT TABLING AN ITEM TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS LATER TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING POTENTIALLY THAT WE COULD HAVE TAKEN ACTION ON HERE TODAY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST THE BOARD.

NO, I, I MEAN, I JUST I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I THINK OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS NOT I DO HAVE CONCERNS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS IS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THAT AREA? I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. I'D LIKE TO I JUST I'D LIKE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT.

I MAY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS FOR THEM. SO I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS UP, BUT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA ITEM FOR TODAY.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SECOND SWIPE AT IT. WE'LL HAVE A SECOND READING. BUT IN THE WAY OF HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING YET. IF WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME IF I BRING IT BACK FOR ACTION AT A LATER DATE, WHAT HAPPENS THERE, MISTER ATTORNEY, YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY HANDLED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO SO THAT PART WOULD BE COMPLETED. BUT IF YOU DON'T PASS ANYTHING TODAY, THEN YOU'LL STILL NEED ANOTHER READING.

SO, SO SO IF WE PASSED IT TODAY, THERE'D STILL BE COME UP FOR A SECOND READING TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME.

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BUT THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION AGAIN IN THAT SECOND READING.

CORRECT? YOU WOULD. SO THIS TECHNICALLY WOULDN'T HOLD ANYTHING UP.

IF WE DON'T TABLE IT, WE COULD MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT THEN BE ABLE TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME FOR PEOPLE TO DO RESEARCH OR WHATEVER.

AND IF YOU WERE AGAINST IT, YOU STILL. I'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S GOOD, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL COUNSEL FROM LEGAL.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARS THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M FIXING TO CLOSE. I SAW MR. WASSER. IS THAT RIGHT? SO LET ME DO ONE THING HERE. I'M NOT OPENING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR MULTIPLE, LIKE A DEBATE STYLE SETTING.

I HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S UNIQUE. HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CALLED, AND HE'S THE ONLY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.

SO I'M GOING TO CALL HIM BACK UP AND JUST ASK, DID YOU HAVE A FURTHER CONCERN, SIR? YES. I'VE GOT I'VE GOT A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DO RUN THE BUSINESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. I ALSO LIVE TWO BLOCKS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

OKAY. IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD NOT MIND HAVING A MOBILE HOME PARK.

OKAY. SO THAT'S IT. I MEAN, I LIVE AT 4300 SOUTH JACKSON, 4321, BE EXACT.

IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. LOTS OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS.

I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MOBILE HOME PARK THERE. OKAY, SO THAT'S JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. WASSER. THANK YOU SIR. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ITEM 7.2 IS BEFORE YOU FOR THE FIRST READING AND VOTE.

LET'S SEE. I WOULD MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8258 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE.

RIGHT NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.

[7.3. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8259. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Greenways Public Improvement District (PID). The Greenways PID is generally located at the southwest corner of Hillside Road and Coulter Street. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

ITEM 7.3. IS MISS KIMBERLY RUNNING THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT.

MISS KIMBERLY, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP HERE? WE'RE FIXING TO RUN THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PIDDS.

THESE ARE OUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS AND THEY NEED TO COME FORWARD FOR US TO JUST APPROVE WHAT THESE PIT.

ASSOCIATIONS HAVE ALREADY APPROVED. SO. AFTERNOON, MISS KIMBERLY, HOW ARE YOU? GREAT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL. 2020 627 PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLANS AND ASSESSMENTS.

PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS BIDS ARE BECOMING MORE PREVALENT ACROSS THE AMARILLO AREA.

THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS TEN ACTIVE PITS AND MORE COMING IN THE YEAR OF 2027.

A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PIT IS A DESIGNATED GEOGRAPHIC AREA WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS PAY SPECIAL ASSESSMENT TO FUND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND SERVICES WITHIN THAT AREA.

IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE NOT LIMITED TO LANDSCAPING INCLUDES IRRIGATION PARKS, PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS, MONUMENTS, SPECIALTY LIGHTINGS AND FOUNTAINS.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PITS AROUND THE AMARILLO AREA.

THERE IS ONE THAT'S NOT ON THERE, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT JUST BECAME A PIT BACK IN JULY.

SO. THE GREENWAYS PIT. THE ADVISORY BOARD APPROVED THE 2627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 23RD, 2026.

THE ASSESSMENTS INCREASED BY 3%. THEY ARE DONE BY 120% OF B LOT, WHICH IS KIND OF CONFUSING. A B LOT IS NINE. 45 PER LOT.

SO THEN IT WOULD JUST BE 120% OVER THAT FOR THE ASSESSMENTS ON THE A S D LOT IS 150% OF THE B LOTS COMMERCIAL IS TWO SEVEN 2751 PER ACRE. THE ASSESSMENT TOTALS FOR THE GREENWAYS WAS $1,104,021. THE EXPENSE TOTAL WAS 1,000,026.

26,937. THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER MAINTENANCE COSTS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MRS. OR MISS DILLARD. GENTLEMEN, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THESE KIDS.

SO I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE. IF IF MISS KIMBERLY MOVES US ALONG ALL OF THESE, WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM UP ONE AT A TIME.

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SO BECAUSE WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. BUT I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MOVE US THROUGH.

I THINK THERE'S NINE OR MORE OF THESE. SO, MISS KIMBERLY, I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND TELL US WHAT A PIT IS EVERY TIME.

NO. FEEL FREE TO ABBREVIATE THAT. JUST HIT THE BUDGET WITH US.

WE NEED TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. SOUNDS GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7.3.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8259 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. ITEM 7.4. HERITAGE HILLS.

[7.4. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8260. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Heritage Hills Public Improvement District (PID). The Heritage Hills PID is generally located at the southwest corner of Soncy and Arden Roads. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE BUDGET ON.

FOR THE 2627 YEAR AND SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 9TH, 2026.

THE ASSESSMENTS ARE AT $0.08 PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH THERE'S NO CHANGE.

ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS 659,664. THE EXPENSE TOTAL IS 669,932. THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7.4.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8260 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES, MISS KIMBERLY, ITEM 7.5.

[7.5. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8261. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Pinnacle Public Improvement District (PID). The Pinnacle PID is generally located at the north-east corner of Bell Street and West Sundown Lane. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

THIS IS THE PINNACLE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

THE ADVISORY MET AND APPROVED THE 2020 2627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 15TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS ARE AT $0.14 A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS A 3% INCREASE.

ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS 171,632. THE EXPENSE TOTAL IS 191,824. THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE.

ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS. OKAY.

ITEM 7.5 WITH NO QUESTIONS, WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8261 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. ITEM 7.6, MA'AM.

[7.6. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8262. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Point West Public Improvement District (PID). The Point West PID is generally located at the north-west corner of Amarillo Boulevard West and Research Street. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

THIS IS THE POINT WEST PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2020 627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 29TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS THE TOTAL COSTS ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACCORDING TO PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTY OWNED WITHIN THE PIT ASSESSMENTS. TOTAL 70,000. EXPENSE. TOTAL 94,930.

THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER MAINTENANCE COSTS.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7.6.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8262 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND FROM PLACE TWO. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES, MISS KIMBERLY, ITEM SEVEN.

[7.7. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8263. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Quail Creek Public Improvement District (PID). The Quail Creek PID is generally located at the intersection of Clear Meadow Circle and Plum Creek Drive. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

SEVEN. THIS IS THE QUAIL CREEK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2020 627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 11TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS IN INCREASED FROM 450 TO 550 A LOT.

THE ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS $15,950. THE EXPENSE TOTAL IS $14,674.

THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COST.

REAL GOOD MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8263 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ITEM 7.8, MA'AM, THIS IS THE TOWN SQUARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

[7.8. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8264. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Town Square Public Improvement District (PID). The Town Square PID is generally located in the north-east corner of Helium and Hillside Road. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

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THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2020 627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 22ND, 2026. THE ASSESSMENT STAYED THE SAME AT $0.11 PER SQUARE FOOT.

THE ASSESSMENT TOTAL WAS 271,374. THE EXPENSE TOTAL IS 553,277.

THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7.8.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8264 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MISS KIMBERLY, YOU AGAIN.

[7.9. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8265. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Tutbury Public Improvement District (PID). The Tutbury PID is generally located at the intersection of Tutbury Court and Van Winkle Drive. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

IT'S THE TETBURY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 10TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS INCREASED FROM 1200 PER LOT TO 2000 PER LOT.

ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS 48,000. EXPENSE TOTAL IS 34,719.

THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COST.

THANK YOU MA'AM. AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEVEN NINE.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8265 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MISS DILLARD 710.

[7.10. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8266. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Vineyards Public Improvement District (PID). The Vineyards PID is generally located at the north-west corner of West Hastings Avenue and Broadway Drive. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

THIS IS THE VINEYARDS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2020 627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 24TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS ARE $250 PER LOT. NO CHANGE SINCE LAST YEAR.

ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS 114,750. EXPENSE. THE MAINTENANCE IS 45.

FOUR. 68. DEVELOPER'S REIMBURSEMENT 350 000. AND THE DEBT SERVICE IS 46,000.

EXPENSE TOTAL IS 441,440 1468. THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 710.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM. PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND WHEN YOU GET UP HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND GIVING US YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME, LET US KNOW YOU RESIDE IN THIS PIT, PLEASE. MY NAME IS MARTHA PULSE AND I RESIDE IN THE CITY.

I LIVE IN THE VINEYARDS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I PAY.

I RIGHT NOW I'M PAYING LESS THAN THAT A YEAR, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO GO UP.

Y'ALL OFFER US REALLY NOTHING. THE ONLY THING I'LL DO IS OUR STREETS.

THE OWNER OF THE SUBDIVISION DOES THE CHRISTMAS DECORATING, DOES THE LANDSCAPING.

WE JUST HAVE REGULAR STREET LIGHTS. WE HAVE NO FOUNTAIN, NO PARK.

WE HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT OUR HOUSES AND OUR LOTS OUT THERE.

I DON'T WANT IT TO GO UP TO $250. IT WILL BE AN INCREASE FOR ME AND I DON'T SEE THAT.

THE ONLY THING Y'ALL HAVE DONE IS OUR STREETS, WHICH IS FINE.

THAT'S ALL WE NEED. TOMMY TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT NEEDS TO GO UP. ANY.

SURE. SO LET'S GO BACK A SLIDE. IF OUR SECRETARY CAN GO BACK.

LET'S LET'S DIG INTO THIS ONE JUST A LITTLE BIT.

SO WHAT IS NOT WRITTEN DOWN UP THERE IS A REIMBURSEMENT TO THE DEVELOPER, RIGHT? NO, I HAD THAT ON MINE. NOW YOU HAVE THAT ON YOURS.

CAN WE GET THAT AMOUNT. IT'S 300 AND. 350,000.

350,000. YES. SO SO THAT GOES TO TOMMY BECAUSE TOMMY'S TAKEN CARE OF.

YES. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CONFLATING MAYBE LIKE WHAT YOUR TAX DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE PAYING ARE PAYING FOR.

SO YOUR STREETS ARE NOT UNLESS WE, WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION.

THESE STREETS ARE MAINTENANCE THROUGH YOUR TAX DOLLARS, PROPERTY TAXES, YOUR PIT FEE THAT YOU PAY VOLUNTARILY TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PAYS FOR. IF THERE'S TREE TRIMMING, LANDSCAPING, MAYBE YOU'VE GOT FENCING AROUND.

IF THERE WAS A GATE, WHICH I KNOW THERE'S NOT. BUT ANYTHING THAT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY THAT'S UNIQUE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IN THAT SET UP, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT FEE? OH, LIKE $100 A YEAR.

OKAY. AND THEN, MISS KIMBERLY, CAN YOU TELL US THEY MET AND THEY APPROVED IT TO GO UP TO 250 PER LOT.

IT STAYED THE SAME. SO LAST YEAR ALSO. SO YOU SHOULD BE PAYING 250 A YEAR.

IS IT IS IT LOT SIZE OR WHAT. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I KNOW.

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IT'S JUST WELL SOMETHING'S WRONG THERE. SO YOUR BOARD THAT SO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE TO BE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO TO SIT ON THAT BOARD AND YOU GUYS VOTE AND YOU TELL US WE'RE MINISTERIAL. SO WE'RE NOT DIRECTING ANY OF THIS.

WE ARE A FIDUCIARY MORE OR LESS. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ISSUING THE PAYMENTS THAT YOU GUYS, YOUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE TELLING US.

SO WHAT WE WOULD ASK IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS BEING REPRESENTED, THAT IT'S NO CHANGE TO YOU.

I THINK MAYBE YOU AND A COUPLE OF THOSE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU COULD GO BACK THROUGH AND SEE WHERE YOUR PAYMENTS ARE GOING.

YOU COULD GET CONFIRMATION THAT TOMMY IS BEING REIMBURSED FOR ALL THE SERVICES THAT HE'S PROVIDING, AND THAT HE'S PROVIDING DOCUMENTATION FOR THEM, BUT THEN FOR US, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST YOU. AND SO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WHERE YOU'RE AT FACTUALLY MATCHES WHERE, WHERE WE ARE. SO I WOULD JUST TRY TO REFER YOU BACK TO THAT PIT BOARD, BUT THEN ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF IF WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS, WHAT WE ARE TAKING ACTION ON IS NO CHANGE. WE'RE WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE RAISING ANYTHING AT ALL.

RIGHT. AND BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE EVEN THE LETTER THAT GOT SENT TO US, IT WAS LIKE, REALLY? THIS IS. YEAH, IT'S NOT WHAT WE PAY. AND I DO KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT WAS CHEAPER THAN THE 250.

OH, YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN THERE TEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS LIKE $75.

YES. YES. BUT IT'S GONE UP SINCE. YEAH. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

SO IF YOU'RE PAYING, I WILL CHECK WITH THEM BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I PAID THIS YEAR.

IF YOU'RE PAYING LESS THAN WHAT THE THE FEE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, THEY MAY HAVE UNDERBID YOU.

BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEBT SERVICE IS BEING SATISFIED.

WE ARE CONFIRMING THROUGH STAFF THAT ALL THE MONIES ARE BEING SPENT ON THAT PROPERTY.

YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH CONDITIONS.

I THINK YOU'RE YOU WERE EXPRESSING A DISSATISFACTION WITH THE CITY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

WE ACTUALLY DON'T. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WAS THAT WE ARE PAYING THIS SO THAT Y'ALL TAKE CARE OF CERTAIN THINGS IN OUR SUBDIVISION.

UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. AND SO YOU'RE YOU'RE CORRECT.

THAT IS A FEE THAT YOU'RE PAYING THAT CONTRACTORS ARE TAKING CARE OF IN YOUR SUBDIVISION.

AND WE, THE COA DO PAY THOSE FEES OUT SO THAT THE MONIES ARE PAID IN TO AN ORGANIZATION AND PAID OUT.

THAT WAY YOU DON'T END UP WITH CONTRACTORS UNPAID AT THE END OF THE YEAR, ESSENTIALLY.

OKAY. HEY, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. SURE. HOPE THAT HELPS.

MARTHA. MAY I GET THE SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME REAL QUICK? UP HERE AT THE FRONT, RIGHT HERE, WHERE MY HAND IS RAISED.

RIGHT HERE. I JUST NEED THE SPELLING OF YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE MINUTE.

DO I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO GIVE? YES, MA'AM.

WOULD YOU WOULD YOU MIND COMING FORWARD? HELLO.

ROXANNE MCGILL, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF VINEYARDS.

FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

WELCOME. VERY INTERESTING. BUT I DO HAVE ONE CONCERN.

NOW, TOMMY DID HAVE A BRIEF MEETING, POORLY ADVERTISED, IN MY OPINION, LAST FALL, AND SAID THAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR A $400,000 BOND, WHICH WOULD RAISE THIS BID TO 2.500 PER LOT, AND IT WOULD INCLUDE A PARK AND SOME LANDSCAPING.

THE SOUTH END OF OUR ENTRANCE OFF OF HASTINGS HAS NO LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST A WEED BED. SO WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS HOW DO I KNOW THAT HAS HE ITEMIZED EVERYTHING THAT HE'S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH AND THAT WE CAN FOLLOW AND KNOW THAT I'M NEW TO LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FIND COMMUNICATION HORRIBLE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S ON THE BOARD. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CONTACT THE BOARD.

I WASN'T GIVEN ANY INFORMATION WHEN I MOVED THERE.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION OF HOW THE RESIDENTS CAN BE INFORMED.

YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT SPOT. SO MISS KIMBERLY IS YOUR ADVOCATE AND KIND OF REPRESENTS US AS THE CITY AND OUR ROLE OF HOW WE HELP TO MANAGE THE PITS.

SHE CAN CONNECT YOU. SHE HAS ALL OF THE EMAIL CELL PHONES.

SHE KNOWS THE DATES THAT THEY'RE MEETING. SHE COULD ASSIST IN THAT.

THEN I CAN ALSO EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY. AND THEN ACCOUNTABILITY TO MAKE SURE THINGS GET DONE.

SHE COULD ALSO TELL YOU THERE'S SOME STATE LAWS THAT GOVERN ALL THIS, AND IT'S PRETTY REQUIRED IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT A BOND AND, AND UTILIZE THOSE MONIES, IT'S RESTRICTED MONIES, IT HAS TO GO FOR THOSE.

AND THEN WE AS A CITY, SHOULD BE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF THOSE MONIES ARE PAID IN REIMBURSEMENT ONLY UNTIL SERVICES ARE RENDERED.

AND SO IF YOU WANT TO CONFIRM ALL THAT THROUGH STAFF, SO YOU'RE NOT JUST TAKING OUR WORD FOR IT.

I THINK IT WOULD GREATLY HELP YOU. WELL, THAT'D BE PERFECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD. YES, MA'AM. I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU.

IF YOU JUST WANT TO MISS CITY SECRETARY. YOU GET HER NAME?

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YES, I DID. THANK YOU. GREAT. DO I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 17? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE. MAYOR, ONE THING BEFORE WE.

BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A SECOND READING ON THIS AS WELL. CORRECT. CAN CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE CONNECT THEM BECAUSE THIS THIS IS A THIS IS A QUESTION THAT THE PIT BOARD.

AND I GUESS THERE'S A PIT PRESIDENT CAN ANSWER THEM.

WE'RE JUST THE MIDDLEMAN HERE ON THAT. BUT CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THEM CONNECTED AND THAT WE GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? SO WHEN WE COME BACK TWO WEEKS LATER, WE CAN SAY WE GOT THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BECAUSE I'D HATE TO APPROVE A BUDGET.

AND WE SAY IT'S A 100 AND THEN IT'S 250. AND THEN SO I JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE CAN JUST MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWERS. SO WHEN WE GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO WHAT THEY'RE PAYING, WHAT THAT'S LOOKING LIKE, AND IT MATCHES WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. REAL GOOD. ANYTHING FURTHER COUNCIL? AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WOULD REQUEST A MOTION ON 710.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8266 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND FROM PLACE TWO. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM 711, MA'AM.

[7.11. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8267. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Colonies Public Improvement District (PID). The Colonies PID is generally located at the North-east corner of Hillside and Soncy. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician) ]

COLON, USE. THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2020 627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 24TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS, THEY STAY AT $0.15 PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR.

NO CHANGE. THE ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS 1,627,612.

THE EXPENSE TOTAL WAS 1,535,275. THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER MAINTENANCE COSTS.

REAL GOOD. AT THIS TIME. WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR COLONIES PIT.

DO I HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

REQUEST A MOTION ON 711. I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8267 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND FROM PLACE ONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MISS KIMBERLY, I THINK THIS IS YOUR LAST ONE.

YES. ITEM 712, PLEASE. THIS IS THE HOMESTEAD PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

[7.12. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8268. This is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance adopting the 2026/2027 budget and five-year service plan, along with establishing and levying an annual property assessment for the Homestead Public Improvement District (PID). The Homestead PID is generally located north by Interstate 40, adjacent to the east by Soncy Road and adjacent to the south by Southwest 34th Avenue and adjacent to the west by North Loop 335. (Kimberlee Dillard, Administrative Technician)]

THE ADVISORY BOARD MET AND APPROVED THE 2627 BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR SERVICE PLAN ON JUNE 18TH, 2026. THE ASSESSMENTS ARE AT $0.07 PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IT SAYS NO CHANGE, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST ASSESSMENT SINCE THEY BECAME A BID. OKAY, THE ASSESSMENT TOTAL IS 284,592.

THE EXPENSE TOTAL IS 90,500. THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT REVENUE IS ADEQUATE TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU, MISS KIMBERLY.

AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING TO HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 8268. SECOND.

MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. GENTLEMEN, LET'S PUSH THROUGH THE NEXT ONE FOR EDC, AND THEN WE MAY NEED TO TAKE A RECESS. ITEM 713.

[7.13. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-1. This item considers a resolution approving the proposed operating budget for the fiscal year 2026-2027 for the Amarillo Economic Development Corporation. (Andreas Eckstein, Amarillo Economic Development Corporation) ]

DOCTOR ECKSTEIN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TO COME UP HERE FROM THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TELL US WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR DYER, MY DEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE EDC FINANCIAL YEAR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THE BUDGET, WHICH YOU'LL SEE UP FRONT HERE, REFLECTS BOTH FISCAL DISCIPLINE AND THE STRATEGIC SHIFT, STRATEGIC SHIFT IN HOW WE APPROACH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WALKING THROUGH THE NUMBERS, WE EXPECT APPROXIMATELY 32.3 MILLION IN REVENUE AND 26.5 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES.

BUT MOST IMPORTANT IS THE CHANGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS TODAY.

NOT THE SIZE OF THE BUDGET, BUT HOW WE ARE POSITIONING AMARILLO TO COMPETE.

SO GOING BACK TO THE NUMBERS FROM THE REVENUES, 12% GO INTO OUR OPERATION FUNDS, 88% GO INTO THE PROJECT FUND.

BUT MORE INTERESTING IS IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THEY DOUBLED FROM 700,000 TO 1.4 MILLION, WE MADE A STRATEGIC SHIFT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN PASSIVE FOR THE LAST YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR GOVERNMENT LEADS. NOW WE'RE GOING OUT. WE ARE ATTENDING TRADE SHOWS.

WE ARE ACTIVATING PARTNERS. SO WE ARE HUNTING DOWN THE COMPANIES THAT WE WANT, AND THAT COSTS A BIT OF MONEY.

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AND WE ARE ALSO PUTTING BACK MONEY IN IN COMPANIES WHO ARE ALREADY HERE.

WE DON'T ONLY WANT TO ATTRACT COMPANIES TO AMARILLO, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO SEE THE COMPANIES GROW HERE ALREADY IN THE AREA, LIKE OSSEO, FOR EXAMPLE, OR MAYBE BELL HELICOPTER.

SO WE ARE WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE MEANINGFUL EVENTS.

WE TRY TO PUT MONEY INTO YEAH, MAKING MORE JOBS ON THE GROUND HERE.

SO WE INVEST HEAVILY IN BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION.

THE BUDGET HAS BEEN APPROVED BY OUR BOARD. AND YEAH, THERE WAS ONE ITEM WHICH WAS A BIT HIGHER BECAUSE WE HAD GATEWAY SIGNS. OUR BOARD DIDN'T APPROVE IT IN THE AMOUNT, SO WE TOOK THAT OUT.

BUT THE NEXT STEP IS THAT A COMMITTEE SHOULD BE FORMED TO DISCUSS WHICH WAY GATEWAY SIGNS ON I-40 COULD LOOK LIKE THAT.

WE MAKE THE CITY MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH OUR CITY.

I'M VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL. ON THE GATEWAY SIGNS. I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY TRYING TO BUDGET. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU'LL BRING BACK FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT WHEN IT'S READY.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL FORM A COMMITTEE WITH WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE.

SO SOMEBODY WITH A DESIGN ASPECT, SOMEBODY MAYBE ON THE BILLBOARD SIDE.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET A GROUP TOGETHER, WORK IN A SMALL TEAM AND THEN PROPOSE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL THAT ALSO YOU AND THE PUBLIC CAN ENVISION HOW THE CITY SCIENCE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THESE ARE LARGE, ATTRACTIVE MONUMENTS THAT SAY LIKE, WELCOME TO AMARILLO, NOT JUST SIGNAGE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THE COST I KNOW WAS, WAS SUBSTANTIAL.

YOU'VE GOT THAT. TELL ME WHAT YOUR RESERVES LOOK LIKE.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THOSE? WE'VE GOT BUDGETED 700,000 FOR THIS.

WELL, YOU HAVE THE CURRENT BUDGET OF 700,000 IN THE PROJECT FUND.

WE WOULD HAVE IT. AT THE MOMENT, WE ONLY BUDGETED 100,000 FOR IT.

OKAY. AND THEN THE RESERVES. DO YOU GUYS HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT YOUR RESERVES ARE CURRENTLY.

AS THE EDC, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BY MY HEAD AT THE MOMENT.

NO. NOTHING THAT IS IMPACTFUL FOR THE BUDGET APPROVAL HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE RESERVES ARE ON EDDY.

SEE IF I CAN GET STAFF TO TO HIT THAT ON AN EMAIL.

I WILL. I THINK THEY'RE HEALTHY. WOULD BE MY POINT.

NOT NOT THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN, BUT THAT YOU DECIDED TO STOP FISHING AND GO HUNTING.

AND SO I THINK YOU'RE HEALTHY IN BEING ABLE TO TRACK DOWN SOME LARGER GAME.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME FANTASTIC STAKEHOLDERS OUT THERE TO KIND OF THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN THAT ARE GROWING.

AND WE ALWAYS WANT THEM TO HEAR AND KNOW, LIKE THEY CAN HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN YOU AND US CONTINUING TO SUPPORT ALL THE EXPANSION.

SO COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THE, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD TALKED THOSE GATEWAY SIGNS OR THOSE GATEWAY MONUMENTS WERE, THEY WERE BUDGETED IN 20. I'M GOING TO GUESS THEY'RE.

25. IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T HERE AT THAT POINT.

I KNEW THEY WERE BUDGETED SOME YEARS AGO. THEY WERE BUDGETED AND WE APPROVED 5000 FOR THE DESIGN PHASE FOR IT.

SO THEY HAD HAD THAT MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET AND THEY JUST THE PROJECT DIDN'T EVER GO SO THAT THAT MONEY WAS STILL THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS EVER ALLOCATED. IT WAS ALLOCATED.

BUT THEN I THINK THAT THEY TOOK IT BACK IN. WE WE PAID FOR THE DESIGN.

I THINK WE PAID $46,000. SO WE HAD SOME DESIGN PATTERNS.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I THINK, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS COUNCIL SHOWED SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT.

CURRENT COUNCIL, I BELIEVE STILL SUPPORTS IT.

AND WE WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THAT COMMITTEE FORWARD.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A HIGH NUMBER. BUT THESE SIGNS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS. AND THE NEW SIGNS ARE ALSO GOING TO BE THERE FOR 50 YEARS. SO I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE THE INVESTMENT ON THE LONG RUN. COUNCILMAN SIMPSON POLITELY REMINDED ME THAT I ONLY SPEAK FOR ONE PARTY HERE.

SO LIKE, LET ME LET ME MAKE SURE I'M, I'M HOPEFUL.

AND I, AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE TAKING A GOOD DIRECTION AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM OVER THERE.

COUNCILMAN. SIMPSON. WHAT DO YOU GOT? I'M GOOD.

OH, SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU HAD A QUESTION. OKAY.

ANYTHING FURTHER FOR DOCTOR ECKSTEIN? OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS TIME, FOR YOUR APPROVAL, IS THE BUDGET FOR EDC.

I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 090826-1. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THESE NEXT THREE. I THINK WE CAN DO THOSE PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A SHORT RECESS AND COME BACK AND FINISH UP.

WHAT IS THE REST OF THE AGENDA? MISS LOLA, DO YOU MIND TO PRESENT THESE?

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THERE ARE THREE ITEMS, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE SIMILAR TASKS IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE JUST IN UPDATING THE CFO POSITION VERSUS A NAME. YOU'RE THINKING OF OF ANOTHER ITEM DOWN ON THE AGENDA.

THESE ARE THESE ARE THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TIERS ONE.

TIERS TWO BUDGETS. OKAY. NO, I'M SORRY, I WAS HOPEFUL THESE WERE THE UPDATES FOR THE NAME.

YEAH. THAT IS THAT'S LATER ON IN THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT.

MY FAULT. SO LET'S JUST TAKE UP ONE AND LET'S SEE HOW WE DO.

[7.14. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-2. This resolution approves the 2026/2027 fiscal year budget and associated program of services for the Amarillo Hospital District (AHD). (Lola Ogunremi, Chief Financial Officer)]

SURE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 09-08-26-2, WHICH APPROVES THE 2026 2027 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET AND ASSOCIATED PROGRAM OF SERVICES FOR THE AMARILLO HOSPITAL DISTRICT.

I'LL BE GOING OVER THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE 2026 2027 BUDGET.

TOTAL REVENUES FOR THE AMARILLO HOSPITAL DISTRICT SUMMED UP TO $8.28 MILLION, OUT OF WHICH WE HAVE INTEREST INCOME OF $2.4 MILLION, TOBACCO SETTLEMENT PROCEEDS OF $425,000, AS WELL AS OTHER RENTAL INCOME OF $27,600. THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES FOR THIS YEAR FOR AMARILLO HOSPITAL DISTRICT FOR THE FY 2020 627 BUDGET SUMMED UP TO $12.3 MILLION. THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF EXPENDITURES INCLUDE THE INDIGENT CARE CONTRACT OF $7.7 MILLION. WE ALSO HAVE THE CONTRIBUTION TO TEXAS TECH HEALTH SCIENCES UNIVERSITY OF $1.7 MILLION, AS WELL AS TOBACCO FREE AMARILLO AMARILLO FOR $425,000.

AND WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEALTH FUNDING OF $2.1 MILLION.

WE ALSO HAVE, FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, THE LOCAL PROVIDER PARTICIPATION FUND MANDATORY ASSESSMENTS OF $70.6 MILLION. AND WE HAVE CORRESPONDING INTERGOVERNMENTAL TRANSFERS OF $70.2 MILLION.

THIS BUDGET WAS APPROVED BY THE AMARILLO HOSPITAL DISTRICT BOARD OF MANAGERS ON AUGUST 25TH, 2026. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, COUNCIL.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, PLEASE? I HAVE ONE REQUEST.

NOTHING CONCERNING THAT WOULD HOLD UP A VOTE ON THIS TODAY.

BUT I DO HAVE A BOARD MEMBER THAT REACHED OUT TO ME.

THEY HAD REQUESTED SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION FOR THE 7.7 ON THE INDIGENT CARE.

OKAY. AND I'D LIKE CONFIRMATION THAT THEY EITHER WILL BE GIVEN THAT ONCE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS OR THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.

AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW TODAY, I STILL THINK WE TAKE ACTION ON IT.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON AN ITEM. IF THEY ARE STILL WAITING ON DOCUMENTS AND WE DON'T AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THAT.

THANK YOU. WE'LL PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTS TO THEM REAL GOOD.

ANYTHING ON THIS ITEM, GENTLEMEN? OKAY. BEFORE YOU, AS A RESOLUTION, I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-2 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MISS 0715. YES, SIR. SO THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION

[7.15. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-3. This item considers a resolution approving the proposed operating budget for the fiscal year 2026-2027 for Center City Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 1. (Lola Ogunremi, Chief Financial Officer) ]

NUMBER 09-08-26-3. TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027 FOR THE CENTER CITY TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE, ALSO KNOWN AS TEARS NUMBER ONE. THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS FOR FY 2627 FOR TEARS NUMBER ONE AS FOLLOWS. TOTAL REVENUE OF ABOUT $2.5 MILLION INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY $2.4 MILLION OF TAXING ENTITY PARTICIPATION.

AND WE HAVE THE ENTITIES, INCLUDING CITY OF AMARILLO, AT $821,759.

PORTER COUNTY AT $1.1 MILLION. AMARILLO COLLEGE AT $419,680 OF REVENUES COMING THROUGH FROM THAT SOURCE. WE ALSO HAVE THE PANHANDLE GROUNDWATER DISTRICT PROVIDING REVENUES FOR THE FY 627

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BUDGET YEAR, OR $15,467. THE TOTAL PROJECTED EXPENDITURES FOR TIERS ONE SUM UP TO $1.8 MILLION, AND MAJOR EXPENDITURES FOR TIERS ONE FOR 2627 INCLUDE $490,000 IN COMMUNITY PROJECTS, $220,000 FOR CENTER CITY PROJECTS, $633,566 FOR PROJECTED TAX ABATEMENTS, 3000 FOR LEASED COMPUTER SOFTWARE, AS WELL AS $250,776 FOR DEBT SERVICE. THIS BUDGET WAS APPROVED BY THE TIERS ONE BOARD ON THE 13TH OF AUGUST 2026. AND TO GIVE YOU A RECAP OF OUR TIERS ONE VALUES, THE 2006 BASE YEAR VALUE WAS $139.5 MILLION AS OF 2026. WE SHOW CERTIFIED VALUES OF $336.7 MILLION, AND WE HAVE $3.3 MILLION OF NEW IMPROVEMENTS FOR SHARES.

NUMBER ONE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR MRS OGUNREMI.

OKAY. ITEM 715 IS BEFORE YOU GENTLEMEN, I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-3.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND FROM PLACE ONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MRS 0716. PLEASE, MA'AM.

[7.16. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-4. This item considers a resolution approving the proposed operating budget for the fiscal year 2026-2027 for East Gateway Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 2. (Lola Ogunremi, Chief Financial Officer) ]

YES, SIR. THIS IS THE CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 09-08-26-4, WHICH IS THE EAST GATEWAY TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO. ALSO KNOWN AS TEARS NUMBER TWO.

THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS ARE AS FOLLOWS. WE HAVE TOTAL REVENUES FOR FY 2026 2027, PROJECTED AT $992,108, OF WHICH $958,108 IS TAXING ENTITY PARTICIPATION AND THE ENTITIES INCLUDE CITY OF AMARILLO, PROVIDING $329,061 OF REVENUES FOR THE COUNTY. REVENUES FOR 2627 ARE AT $454,801.

AMARILLO REVENUES ARE AT $168,054, AND WE HAVE THE PANHANDLE GROUNDWATER DISTRICT REVENUES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 2627 AT $6,192. EXPENDITURES FOR TEARS.

NUMBER TWO ARE PROJECTED AT $520,013. MAJOR EXPENDITURES INCLUDE $200,000 IN COMMUNITY PROJECTS, $220,288 IN PROJECTED TAX ABATEMENTS, AS WELL AS $30,000 IN LEASE COMPUTER SOFTWARE. THIS BUDGET WAS APPROVED BY THE TEARS NUMBER TWO BOARD ON THE 28TH OF AUGUST 2026.

A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE VALUES FOR TEARS TWO, 2016.

BASE YEAR VALUES WERE AT $40 MILLION, PLUS THE 2020 EXPANSION OF BOUNDARIES AT $1.4 MILLION.

AS OF 2026, CERTIFIED VALUES WERE $119.3 MILLION, AND WE HAVE $0.2 MILLION OF NEW IMPROVEMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS ON SEVEN.

ONE SIX GENTLEMAN. WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-4.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. IF WE COULD, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO 717 BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE TO GO.

LET'S TAKE A QUICK TEN MINUTE RECESS. WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK.

BACK INTO SESSION. MR. HENRY, YOU GOOD? BACK THERE? IN THE BACK. ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 717, CHIEF HOOVER.

[Item 7.17 & 7.18]

717718. ARE BOTH TWO BASIC STATE GRANTS FOR SELECTIVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

AND THEN THERE'S A MATCH OF JUST OVER 17%. REAL GOOD QUESTIONS ON ITEM SEVEN ONE

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7 OR 7 ONE EIGHT MATCHING GRANTS TAX.GOV. ALL GOOD.

OKAY. WOULD REQUEST A MOTION ON 717. I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 0908265 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. REQUEST A MOTION ON ITEM 718.

MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-6 AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT. MR. DUNLAP, THESE ARE THE ONES I WAS THINKING ABOUT EARLIER.

[7.19. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-7. This item is the first reading to consider a Resolution authorizing the submission of an FY25 grant application to the Office of the Governor’s Public Safety Office (PSO) for the Amarillo Police Department’s Regional Bomb Squad Enhancement Project and updating the City’s authorized official to the Chief Financial Officer. (Max Dunlap, Emergency Management Coordinator) ]

WELCOME. YOU WANT TO WALK US THROUGH ALL THREE OF THESE AT ONCE? YES. SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT 19 AND 21 FIRST AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL GO INTO DEPTH ON 720.

SO THESE GRANTS ARE SPECIFICALLY WE'RE HERE TO ACCEPT THESE FUNDS AND CHANGE WORDS OR CHANGE NAMES ON THE RESOLUTIONS TO OUR CFO MOVING FROM OUR FORMER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND CFO'S GETTING LAURA STORRS NAME OFF AND PUTTING MISS LOLA'S NAME ON THERE FOR THESE RESOLUTIONS.

SO IN THIS FIRST ONE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE REGIONAL BOMB SQUAD ENHANCEMENT PROJECT, THIS PROJECT IS OUTLINING AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. SO THIS WAS OUTLINING A PROJECT TO EXPAND THEIR X-RAY CAPABILITY IN THE BOMB SQUAD.

AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE MANDATES FOR THESE STATE HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM PROJECTS ARE IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE A REGIONAL ASPECT TO IT.

SO EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A REGIONAL ASPECT THAT IS ONE OF THE PRECURSORS OF ACTUALLY OBTAINING OR EVEN GOING OUT TO APPLY FOR THESE FUNDS.

SO THIS BOMB SQUAD ENHANCEMENT PROJECT WAS TO ENHANCE THEIR PORTABLE X-RAY EQUIPMENT TO ASSESS SUSPECTED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES AND SUSTAIN REGIONAL CAPABILITIES.

SO IN THAT THE PROCESS FOR THIS ARE THESE PROJECTS ARE PRESENTED TO THE PRE-MATCH COMMITTEE.

SO THE PRE-MATCH COMMITTEE IS THE PANHANDLE REGIONAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IN THE REGION CAN PRESENT PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE OR THEY NEED TO.

THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE CHOOSES SOME. THOSE THREE THAT WERE CHOSEN WERE THE THREE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO FROM THAT, THESE MOVE INTO PROJECTS VERY MUCH GRANT MANAGED.

SO MYSELF MISS LOLA AND A FEW OTHERS HERE, WE HELP TO MANAGE THESE PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF.

SO ALL STATE HOMELAND SECURITY GRANTS, I AM ONE OF THE PROJECT MANAGERS FOR ALL THESE GRANTS FOR THE CITY.

SO IN THIS, THE FIRST ONE, IT IS FOR THE REGIONAL BOMB SQUAD ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.

AGAIN, THIS FIRST ONE IS FOR SIMPLY ACCEPTING AWARDS OF FUNDS AND CHANGING THE NAME ON THE RESOLUTION.

DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH ALL THREE MAYOR? YEAH. BEFORE WE TALK. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL GO WE'LL JUMP AHEAD TO SEVEN 2021.

EXCUSE ME. SO THAT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM.

THAT IS THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION THAT ALSO IS A REGIONAL TEAM FOR THE ENTIRE PANHANDLE THAT THOSE FUNDS GO TO HELP OUTFIT DEPLOYABLE ASSETS TRAINING IN THE REGION.

SO PAYMENT OF TRAINING MATERIALS, TRAINING RESOURCES, OUR TRAILER, WHICH IS OUR DEPLOYABLE ASSET THAT, THAT HAS DEPLOYED IN MULTIPLE PLACES THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

SO WE SEND CERT MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

THE LAST TIME WE DID A REGIONAL MULTIPLE REGIONAL DEPLOYMENT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO DURING THE SMOKEHOUSE AND WENDY DEUCE FIRES.

WE WERE OPENING SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

I THINK WE HAD FOUR OPEN AND MULTIPLE TIMES SIMULTANEOUSLY.

SO WE WERE DEPLOYED REGIONALLY FOR THAT. AGAIN, FOR THESE REQUIREMENTS, IT DOES HAVE TO MEET A STATE HOMELAND SECURITY PROGRAM FUNDS. SO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TERRORISM PREVENTION ACTIVITY, ALL OF THESE ALIGN.

ALL THREE OF THESE ALIGN WITH THAT. THE THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO DO WITH MEETING THE. LET ME TRY TO FIND THE SPECIFIC CAPABILITY.

IT MEETS ON THIS ONE. SO THIS MEETS THE PREPAREDNESS ASPECT, THE LOCAL PREPAREDNESS ASPECT UNDER THAT.

NOW THERE HAS BEEN CHANGES OVER THAT INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 26 PROGRAM.

SO THAT REQUIREMENT TO HIT THAT CAPABILITY IS NOT AS STRENUOUS AND NOT WEIGHTED AS MUCH FROM THE STATE HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM.

SO AS WE GO INTO THAT AGAIN, FOR THIS IS TO SIMPLY ACCEPT AWARDED FUNDS AND TO CHANGE THE NAME ON THE RESOLUTION.

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AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE AMARILLO REGIONAL CRIME CENTER, THAT IS TO PROVIDE FUNDS.

THIS PROJECT WAS TO BUILD OUT INTERSECTION CAMERAS.

SO VERY MUCH LIKE CHIEF WAS SPEAKING EARLIER TODAY, THESE THIS PROJECT WAS TO OUTFIT, PURCHASE AND OUTFIT CAMERAS TO BE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT INTERSECTIONS.

THESE ARE THE BULLET, FISHEYE AND PTZ, THE ZOOM CAPABLE CAMERAS THAT INTERFACED WITH APD SOFTWARE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. DUNLAP. GENTLEMEN, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON ITEM 719? NO. REQUEST MOTION ON 719, PLEASE. I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-7.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. GENTLEMEN, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON ITEM 7.20?

[7.20. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-8. This item is the first reading to consider a Resolution authorizing the submission of an FY25 grant application to the Office of the Governor’s Public Safety Office (PSO) for the Amarillo Regional Crime Center Enhancement Project and updating the City’s authorized official to the Chief Financial Officer. (Max Dunlap, Emergency Management Coordinator) ]

SO 7.2 IS CAMERA PURCHASE. YES. WHICH I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAD A CAMERA POLICY.

SO THESE THIS WAS A PROJECT OF LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR.

OKAY. THIS. SO THIS IS SIMPLY TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED FOR THIS PROJECT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.

OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. REIMBURSEMENT. EXACTLY.

REIMBURSEMENT. YES. YES. SO A FINANCIAL DECISION, NOT A CAPABILITY.

YES, SIR. SO A CAVEAT TO THAT. NEXT YEAR'S PROJECTS TO BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF YOU ARE COMING HERE NEXT MONTH. THOSE THOSE WILL START WHERE YOU WILL SEE THOSE ASPECTS NEXT MONTH.

THESE ARE SIMPLY, AS THE MAYOR ELOQUENTLY PUT, THAT THESE ARE MORE OF A REIMBURSEMENT OF THESE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE LITERALLY. THE HOLDUP IS CHANGING THE RESOLUTION THE NAME ON THE RESOLUTION.

I CAN GET THAT IN. AND THEN THE CITY CAN BE. I KNEW THAT I WAS JUST CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL PAYING ATTENTION. 7:17 P.M..

GETS LATE. HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE I'M PAYING ATTENTION. YEAH.

WELL, I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-8.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. GENTLEMEN. ITEM 7.21.

[7.21. Consideration of Resolution No. 09-08-26-9. This item is the first reading to consider a Resolution authorizing the City to submit a grant application for the FY25 CERT Team Project and updating the City’s authorized official to the Chief Financial Officer. (Max Dunlap, Emergency Management Coordinator) ]

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO HEARING. NONE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 090826-9. SECOND.

MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. HEY.

THANK YOU. MAX. MR. KENDRICK, WILL YOU COME BACK UP?

[7.22. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 8269. This item is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance considering the rezoning of 5.712 acres of land, being the east 153.1 feet of Lot 26 and the west 395.6 feet of Lot 27, Block 2, Coulter Acres, a subdivision of the north one-half of Section 38, Block 9, B.S.& F. Survey, Randall County, Texas, plus one-half of all bounding streets, alleys, and public ways, to change from Office District 2 to Planned Development District 412 for a Tiny Home Village. (VICINITY: Coulter St. & S.W. 77th Ave.; APPLICANT/S: OJD Engineering, LLC for Fairly Four A Texas General Partnership) (Brady Kendrick, Senior Planner) ]

WE KEPT YOU HERE FOR THE VERY LAST ONE ON THIS ITEM.

I'M GOING TO HAND THE MEETING OVER TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

ASK HIM TO RUN THIS ITEM. I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THIS, SO I'VE SIGNED AN AFFIDAVIT.

I AM THE OWNER OF A COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN HIRED TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE.

SO I'M GOING TO STEP OUT IF YOU GUYS WILL GET ME ONCE YOU'RE COMPLETE.

THANKS, MAYOR. ALL RIGHTY. I GUESS WE'LL CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 7.2.

YES, I'LL I'LL GO AHEAD AND DIVE INTO THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

YEAH. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF 82 ORDINANCE 8269.

THIS IS TO CONSIDER THE REZONING OF 5.712 ACRES OF LAND.

THIS IS LOCATED IN THE COLTER ACRES SUBDIVISION IN RANDALL COUNTY, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS IN THE VICINITY OF COLTER STREET AND SOUTHWEST 77TH AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT IS OJB ENGINEERING, LLC. FOR. FAIRLY.

FOR A TEXAS GENERAL PARTNERSHIP, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE FROM OFFICE DISTRICT TWO TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 412 FOR OUR TINY HOME VILLAGE.