Aug 13, 2026 City Council Work Session

SO EXISTING CIP MONEY, BORROWED MONIES, DEBT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT NOT REFLECTED IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET.

IT IS REFLECTED IN BUDGET.

IT'S NOT IN THESE NUMBERS HERE. AND THESE NUMBERS HERE ARE, IS THE NET AFTER ALL THAT'S BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. SO ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES TALKED ABOUT HOW AGAIN CLOSEOUT REVENUE GETS ROLLED INTO THIS EXISTING CIPS, THINGS THAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT FOR, THOSE ARE STILL BUDGETED TO BE DONE. SO WE STILL HAVE TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE.

BUT THIS IS YOUR FINAL NET TO WORK WITH FOR NEW CIPS TO MAKE SURE THOUGH AT PREVIOUS BUDGETS LIKE CURRENT BUDGET FOR 26.

RIGHT. THOSE CIPS OVER 100 MILLION WAS IT 108 MAYBE THAT WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THIS PROPOSED BUDGET 27. HOW MANY 43 MILLION OR 47.

IT'S, IT'S JUST GOING TO DEPEND ON DEBT VERSUS CASH.

SO LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S 40 MILLION. SO THE EXISTING HUNDRED MILLION THAT YOU KNOW IS IN CURRENT 26 WAS VOTED ON ALREADY THE 40 MILLION OF PROPOSED WOULD BE VOTED ON IN THIS BUDGET. AND YOU'RE SAYING THE, THE EXISTING HUNDRED MILLION IS CONSIDERED BUT, BUT NOT CONSIDERED IN THE AMOUNTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. SO LIKE FLEET SERVICES AS AN EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CIPS IN THIS BUDGET.

IT COMES OUT OF YOUR AVAILABLE FUNDS CALCULATION.

HOW WOULD THAT WORK? LIKE, SO IF YOU GO TO CIP OR I'M SORRY, IF YOU GO TO FLEET SERVICES, SHOW US ON WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING. SHOW US THAT LINE ITEM THAT PAYS FOR THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CIPS. AND WHAT I'M REALLY DRIVING AT IS DO WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT REFLECTS ALL CIP BALANCES AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT TO PAY VERSUS SO I WANT TO SAY NOTE 12. WAS IT Y' ALL HELP ME, WAS IT 280 WAS THE TOTAL THAT WE PUSHED IN THE ACTFIR. SO IN THE ACTFIR WE CAPITALIZED, CLOSED OUT PROJECTS AND WE DID 100 PLUS MILLION, 109 MILLION.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE WRONG NUMBER. BUT THEN THAT MEANS THOSE ARE CLOSED OUT AND THEY'RE CAPITALIZED.

BUT THEN WE TELL THE AUDIT COMPANY HOW MANY MILLIONS WE STILL HAVE LEFT SITTING IN THAT CIP OF PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED MONIES. AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 280 PLUS.

RIGHT. NOTE 12. NOW YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE REDUCED DOWN TO 207. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THAT DOWN IN COMMITMENTS, BECAUSE I HEARD STEPHANIE SPEAK

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TO, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, AN ERROR IN WORKDAY SOFTWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE REPORTED OUR COMMITMENTS HIGHER. SO IF WE'RE SAYING ALL THE COMMITMENTS ARE IN CURRENT BUDGET, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THAT LINE ITEM? AND IN 27 BUDGET, DO WE HAVE THAT LINE ITEM? SO THE COMMITMENTS ARE IN THE AVAILABLE FUNDS CALCULATION FOR PROJECTS THROUGH THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2024, 2025. SO YOU SEE THAT IN THE CONSTRUCTION IN PROGRESS BALANCES FOR FLEET, WE HAVE 15 MILLION, $15.5 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION IN PROGRESS.

OKAY, SO OUT OF THE $280 MILLION WORTH OF COMMITMENTS AT THE END OF FY25 GOING INTO 26, WE HAD 15.5 MILLION IN THAT FLEET FUND THAT WAS GOING TOWARDS $15.5 MILLION WORTH OF COMMITMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT FOR FLEETS? YES.

JUST FOR THAT FLEET SERVICE? YES.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE 280 MILLION DOLLAR.

RIGHT. THAT WE ARE ADJUSTING.

AND YOU BACK THAT 155 OUT AND THEN YOU SHOW ME THE REMAINING BALANCE OF AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THAT, THAT FUND? YES.

OKAY. YEAH. AGAIN, ULTIMATELY GET BACK TO THAT ONE SLIDE.

THIS HERE IS THE FINAL YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH FOR NEW. WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS STAFF, WE WORKED THROUGH THE NUMBERS, ALL YOUR EXISTING COMMITMENTS.

AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT MR. REED AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER TODAY IS, IS THE BUDGET IS A POOL OF FUNDS. THERE'S PLUSES AND MINUSES. WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES, THIS HERE IS WHAT YOU HAD TO WORK WITH TODAY TO COMMIT TO NEW THINGS. THE BUDGET TAKES INTO ACCOUNT WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO, WHETHER IT WAS AN APPROVED CONTRACT OR A PLANNED CONTRACT. THE BUDGET TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL THAT.

THIS IS THE NEW TO BE COMMITTED GOING FORWARD.

THAT'S THE GOAL OF A BUDGET PROCESS, IS TO TALK ON THESE ITEMS HERE.

AND AS WE CLOSE OUT, AS WE CLOSE OUT OTHER CIPS, WE WILL BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO ONCE AS THE NEXT 12 MONTHS PLAY OUT, WE WILL CONTINUE TO CLOSE OUT MORE CIPS AND OR. AND EITHER BRING THEM TO AN END, EITHER CONTRACT COMPLETED OR NO LONGER FEASIBLE. AND THEN A YEAR FROM NOW THAT COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO THEN PLAN THOSE FUNDS FOR THE NEXT BUDGET. AND SO IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS.

SO IF WE CAN GO BACK TO PAGE 49 FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING FLEET, IT'S JUST GOOD TO STAY THERE.

YOU GUYS REVISED THIS PROJECTED YEAR END WITH THAT NEGATIVE 4.7 UP AT THE TOP. AND THEN YOU HAD THIS CAPITAL REDUCTION UNDER EXPENDITURES OF 14.7. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO PRIOR TO THE NOTE 12 CORRECTION? AND THEN THIS DOESN'T CHANGE NOTE 12. NOTE 12 WOULD STILL BE 288 IN COMMITMENTS. AND IN MY CONVERSATION WITH KIRCHNACHT YESTERDAY, HE WAS TELLING ME HE THOUGHT IT WAS BEING REDUCED BY 80 MILLION 81. SO IT WAS LIKE 207 IS WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BECOME.

YES. SO THE NUMBERS REPRESENTED ARE FROM THE ACTFIR AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS WITH NOTE 12 WHEN THE REVISIONS ARE MADE, WILL HAVE AN UPDATED CASH FLOW.

AND WE DID GIVE A FEW EXAMPLES OF HOW THE UPDATES WOULD LOOK LIKE ONCE NOTE 12 IS UPDATED.

OKAY, SO THE UPDATED FLEET PROPOSAL, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? THERE IT IS. SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS, IS THAT WE WOULD START THE YEAR AT 10 MILLION IN EXISTING FUND BALANCE OR NET POSITION ON THIS FUND. RIGHT. THIS ONE'S A NET.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE 2526 STARTING POINT THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE AUDITED.

AUDITED FIGURES FOR THAT.

AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH FOR THE BUDGET IS 4.7 MILLION ON THE RIGHT COLUMN.

NOW, IT'S NOT NET POSITION.

IT'S AVAILABLE FUNDS.

IT DOESN'T START BECAUSE THAT POSITION IS GOVERNMENT WIDE.

WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH FUND. SO IT'S THE CALCULATION.

SO IF I LOOK AT THE ACTFIR.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT.

NO NUMBER CORRELATES.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE CASH INVESTMENTS MINUS LIABILITIES, ENCUMBRANCES.

THAT WAS THE CALCULATION WE DID ON THE SLIDE SHOWS EARLIER THAT THE STAFF WALKED YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING TO THAT ULTIMATE NUMBER THERE.

AND LOOKING AT THE ACTFIR, THOUGH, IF YOU, IF YOU GO DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, ON PAGE 200, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, UNRESTRICTED, AND IT IS CATEGORIZED AS NET POSITION ACCORDING TO OUR AUDIT FIRM, THAT IS CORRECT. UNRESTRICTED

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IS 12, 7. 12.7 MILLION.

BUT THAT'S NOT AN AVAILABLE FUNDS CALCULATION.

I, I, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT'S NOT AN AVAILABLE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME NUMBER THAT'S SETTING UP AT THE TOP OF THAT LINE ON, ON THE SCREEN.

THE, SO YOU, YOU'RE DOING YOUR ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN YOU'RE GIVING US THE AVAILABLE FUNDS CAT CALCULATION.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND. THIS TELLS YOU WHEN, WHEN YOUR BUDGET IS BALANCED AND WHEN YOU NEED TO STOP FINDING PRIORITIES.

SO FLEET SERVICES AT THE END OF 25 ACCORDING TO THE ACTFIR NET POSITION OF 48.8 MILLION. YOU CALCULATE THAT DOWN THROUGH COMMITMENTS IN CIP THAT ARE REMAINING LESS ENCUMBRANCES AND A FEW OTHER THINGS. AND YOU START THE YEAR AT 10 MILLION.

IT'S, IT'S A CASH BASIS VERSUS THAT'S A MODIFIED ACCRUAL BASIS.

SO WE'VE GOT TO PUT APPLES TO APPLES.

YEAH. SO UNRESTRICTED OF 12,7 MEANS WHAT IT IS NOT TAGGED TO FOR PURPOSE. YOU CAN SPEND IT ANY WAY YOU WANT TO ON THOSE RESERVES.

SO AT THE END.

STILL NOT IN THAT POSITION.

NO, NO, BUT UNRESTRICTED IS UNRESTRICTED. RIGHT.

IT'S UNRESTRICTED FOR ANY.

SO IT'S NOT COMMITTED TO THE CIP BALANCE.

TRUE.

OKAY, SO WE START THE YEAR WITH 12.7 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED FUNDS ACCORDING TO THE ACTFIR. BEFORE YOU GO THROUGH AND DO YOUR CALCULATION.

IN A MODIFIED ACCRUAL FORM.

NO, BUT UNRESTRICTED IS UNRESTRICTED.

IT'S UNRESTRICTED IN THE SENSE THAT YOU CAN USE IT FOR ANY, FOR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT FUND. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S. SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S A FLEET ITEM, YOU CAN USE IT FOR A FLEET ITEM.

SO, SO HELP ME HERE.

BUT IT'S NOT CASH YOU CAN DEDICATE TOWARD. YOU DON'T HAVE 12 MILLION TO DEDICATE TOWARDS WHATEVER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO, IF THERE'S CALCULATION YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

NO, YOU DO ACCORDING TO THE ACTFIR. SO, SO IN UNRESTRICTED FUND, HOW IS THE 12.7 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED FUNDS AT THE END OF THAT YEAR NOT ABLE TO GO TOWARDS WHATEVER WE WOULD DETERMINE? SO IN AVAILABLE FUND CALCULATIONS, WE LOOK AT THE CASH ASPECT OF THE CURRENT ASSETS. THAT'S WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH RESOURCES WE WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF OUR ACTUAL CASH. SO WE ADD OUR CASH AND CASH EQUIVALENTS, WE ADD OUR RESTRICTED CASH AS WELL AND REDUCE THE CIPS AS WELL AS LIABILITIES AND ENCUMBRANCES. SO THE VIEW WE SHOW IS FOCUSED ON CASH. WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE CASH RESOURCES TO COMMIT TO FUTURE RESOURCES, FUTURE EXPENDITURES FOR THE CITY.

CORRECT. SO THEN WE HAVE OUR NET POSITION FROM THERE.

SO THE NET POSITION IS A DIFFERENT VIEW ON AN ACCRUAL BASIS.

IS THE NET POSITION IMPORTANT? IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE POSITION OF THE ENTERPRISE OR THE FIRM AT A PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.

BUT THE POINT IN TIME WOULD BE THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS AT THE YEAR END.

AT YEAR END. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PROJECTING FORWARD FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR TO DETERMINE RESOURCES FOR THE YEAR TO SUPPORT VARIOUS EXPENDITURES.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE 4.768 THERE. AND THAT'S WHERE DID THE CALCULATION YOU START WITH IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET WE'RE GIVING YOU TODAY, 04,078,938. AND ULTIMATELY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT CALCULATION THERE WITH NEW REVENUES, EXPENSES, YOU END UP IN THE RESERVE, YOU END UP WITH A BALANCE THERE. SO AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO OUR FINAL SLIDE, THESE NUMBERS HERE ARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH TODAY FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES.

SO THE ACTFIR TOTALLY LINES UP WITH WHAT YOU HAVE CURRENT ON THESE PAGES AS WE SHOWED TODAY.

YES, AGAIN, WE WALKED YOU THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS.

SO WE'RE NO LONGER BRINGING IN AN EXPENDITURE LINE ITEM ADJUSTMENT LIKE WE HAD PROPOSED IN ON TUESDAY.

AGAIN. SO AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THE ACTFIR, HAS THE, HAS THE CURRENT NOTE 12. WE'RE GETTING THAT CORRECTED. WE'VE GIVEN YOU EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN THE, WHEN THE NOTE IS CORRECTED.

AND SO THAT WAY, THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S HARD.

WHEN YOU SEE NEGATIVE 4.7, THIS IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. IT'S POSITIVE 10. SO FOR THAT STARTING POINT. SO WE WANTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE. SO THAT'S BEING WORKED OUT WITH CLA. I WISH WE COULD HAVE IT DONE BEFORE TODAY, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

SO IN, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH KIRCHNAK YESTERDAY ON, ON DISCUSSING ALL THIS, I UNDERSTAND NOTE 12

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TO BE A COMMITMENT OF REMAINING CIPS. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? AND THAT IS 288 MILLION ACCORDING TO YOUR SLIDE AS WELL. RIGHT.

IN REMAINING FUNDS, EVERYTHING. AND SO THERE'S 288 MILLION INSIDE OF DIFFERENT FUND BALANCES, NET POSITION, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN IN OUR PORTFOLIO.

RIGHT. YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE MONIES. AND WE'RE PLANNING ON SPENDING ALL 288 MILLION THIS NEXT YEAR OR WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS TO BE PAID OUT DURING THE 27 BUDGET. SO IF WE HAVE 288 MILLION TO SPEND AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE US THREE YEARS TO SPEND IT, MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN THE AVAILABLE FUNDS? ALL OF IT IS TAKEN OUT OF THE CASH AND INVESTMENTS.

WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND ALL OF IT IN THIS NEXT YEAR.

YOU'RE OBLIGATED FOR IT.

YEAH, OUR GOAL IS TO SPEND IT ALL.

SO THEN WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER GETS MOVED INTO THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN MOST LIKELY MOVED INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

SO IF YOU REMOVE ALL OF IT OUT PRIOR TO YOUR STARTING POSITION.

RIGHT. YOU'RE KIND OF ON YOUR CASH FLOW. THEN YOU'RE RESERVING THAT TOTAL AMOUNT SO IT DOESN'T EVER SHOW UP IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SPEND ON THAT FUND FOR THAT YEAR.

WHEN YOU MOVE ALL OF IT OUT, YOU END UP WITH THIS FINAL SLIDE OF 6.2, GENERAL, 2.5 WATER 11.9 FOR GENERAL FOR. THAT'S WHERE YOU END UP AT. AGAIN, THAT'S FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES FOR TODAY. AND SO THAT'S WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MOVE ALL THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT LEFT OVER.

SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND BETTER.

SO WE ARE NOT GETTING A COMPLETE PICTURE OF SEEING THE 288 MILLION REFLECTED ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CALCULATED AS AN EXTRACTED AMOUNT TOTAL DURING END OF YEAR AND PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO EVEN IF YOU ENDED THE YEAR WITH 40 MILLION OR 48 MILLION MILLION IN ONE FUND, YOU GUYS GO IN AND YOU PULL OUT DIFFERENT THINGS TO GIVE US OUR NEW STARTING POSITION. SO YOU SET ASIDE ALL OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT THE CITY STILL HAS TO MAKE. SO THOSE APPROPRIATIONS ARE STILL THERE, RIGHT? YES.

OKAY. AS WE BRING THOSE PROJECTS BACK, WE IDENTIFY SAVINGS LIKE WE DIDN'T DO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? YES.

SO THOSE MONIES ARE STILL THERE AS WELL? YES, SIR. OH, YES.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPOSED NEW BUDGET, WE ONLY VOTE FOR THE NEW CIPS IF WE, IF WE ELECT TO CORRECT. SO IN THE NEW BUDGET THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE, IT'S ONLY GOING TO LIST THAT MILLION DOLLAR FLEET FUND CIP PROJECT. ALL THE OTHER FLEET FUND CIP PROJECTS DON'T GET REVOTED ON IN THAT BUDGET. THEY'RE ACCOUNTED FOR PREVIOUSLY IN A CALCULATION THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT LINES UP WITH THE ACTFIR.

YES, BECAUSE YOU OR PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE ALREADY ACT ON THOSE. AND SO MY GOAL AS A MANAGER IS WITH MY STAFF IS WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THOSE DONE SOONER AND SOONER AND SOONER AND FASTER. SO YES, YOU AS THIS, AS THE 20, AS THE AUGUST 2026 CITY COUNCIL, YOUR GOAL IS TO, IS TO DEDICATE THESE FUNDS HERE.

AND SO WE'VE ALREADY ACTED ON THE PREVIOUS ONES. AND SO WE AS STAFF HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS ON THOSE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE DONE, DONE AS FAST AS WE CAN. THEN WHEN WE CLOSE THEM OUT, WE BRING THOSE LEFTOVER FUNDS BACK TO THE NEXT ONE OR EVEN MID YEAR LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING EVEN LAST TUESDAY, TUESDAY NIGHT. IF WE HAVE NEEDS, WE BRING THEM TO YOU IN THAT AND THEN YOU VOTE ON WHERE TO PUT THOSE MONIES.

AND WE SHOULD HAVE A GREAT, GREAT LEVEL OF COMFORT. YOU KNOW, A FORENSIC AUDIT, RIGHT. GONNA GO THROUGH THE CIP PROGRAM, GONNA GO PULL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE. SO LIKE IN THE 43 MILLION OF RECOGNIZED REMAINING MONIES THAT ARE UNSPENT IN CLOSED OUT PROJECTS, BUT ONLY BACK TO 23, THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2012. BUT IN THOSE, THAT 43 MILLION IS STILL THERE.

BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SOMEHOW GET PULLED INTO THIS BUDGET IN A CASH FLOW.

IT DOES. AGAIN, THIS HERE IS YOUR NET TAKEN ALL INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THE CALCULATION FOR RESERVES, FOR LIABILITIES.

WELL, HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE WASH THAT 43 MILLION OFF IF, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT. SO THE APPROPRIATED BALANCE FOR THOSE PROJECTS IS INCLUDED IN THE 288 MILLION. RIGHT. AND IF YOU'VE OVERSTATED THAT COMMITMENT, YOU'RE ASKING THE AUDITOR TO RECOGNIZE 270.

BUT EITHER WAY, WHEN YOU'VE CLOSED OUT THOSE PROJECTS AT YEAR END OF 25, YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PUSHING TO 26. IT'S ONLY 207 MOVING FORWARD. WHATEVER YOU'VE CLOSED OUT UP UNTIL THAT WOULD STILL ACKNOWLEDGE THE 43 MILLION IN SAVINGS.

NO, BECAUSE AS WE SAID WITH THE UTILITIES, ABOUT 25 MILLION OF THAT 27 WAS A RESERVE ISSUE THAT HAD TO BE FIXED FIRST BEFORE YOU COULD SPEND IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

YOUR ACTFIR TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL THESE FUNDS.

YOUR ACTFIR TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE CIP,

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THE CLOSED CIPS, YOUR LEFTOVER OPERATING, YOUR LEFTOVER RESERVE. IT TAKES ALL INTO ACCOUNT. IT GETS BAKED INTO THE CALCULATION FOR YOUR AVAILABLE FUNDS. SO IT IS, IT HAS BEEN TAKEN, IT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TO GIVE YOU THESE NUMBERS HERE TODAY.

SO EVEN IF YOU GO THROUGH A FORENSIC AUDIT AND THEY PULL ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES, PROJECTS, AND THEY SAY, YEAH, WE CAN IDENTIFY EVERY PROJECT NUMBER, WHERE THE MONEY WENT, IT ALL WENT TO PUBLIC USE.

HERE'S ALL YOUR SAVINGS.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT THOSE SAVINGS NOW ARE BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET? YES.

AND THAT OUT OF. AFTER EVERYTHING'S SAID AND DONE, WHAT'S THE TOTAL HERE? AT THE END OF THE DAY, HOW MUCH IS IT? 11.9. GENERAL FUND, 3.1.

WATER AND SEWER, 5.7. AIRPORT ON.

A LITTLE OVER 20 MILLION.

26 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT IT ADDS UP TO? YEAH, 26,485.

YEAH, 26, 485 ACROSS SEVERAL FUNDS. AND AGAIN, I. YOU DON'T HAVE 26 TO ALL GO TOWARDS GENERAL. YOU HAVE 26 DIVIDED ACROSS THE FUNDS.

SO YOU'VE LOCATED $26 MILLION IN THE TOTAL MONIES WHEN IT ALL NETS OUT.

WHEN IT ALL. YEAH, ALL NETS OUT.

YOU'RE JUST SAYING, LIKE ONCE ALL OF THE PROJECTS, ALL YOUR.

ALL YOUR CASH FLOW FOR THE COLUMNS THERE, FROM AVAILABLE FUNDS TO NEW REVENUES TO EXPENSES, TO LIABILITIES, TO YOUR THREE MONTH, THREE MONTHS RESERVE, THAT WOULD ASSUME ZERO SAVINGS ON ANY OF THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT HADN'T BEEN CLOSED OUT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL PENDING AND COMMITTED.

SO THAT WOULD MEAN YOU'VE GOT 207 IN COMMITMENTS AND YOU SPENT ALL 207. BUT IN THE OTHER $200 MILLION WORTH OF CLOSEOUTS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, TWO THINGS WOULD HAPPEN THERE.

ONE, WE WOULDN'T IDENTIFY ANY ADDITIONAL SAVINGS PAST 23 BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY IDENTIFIED SAVINGS BACK TO 23. SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT NONE OF THE MONIES PREVIOUS FROM THERE WOULD HAVE HAD ANY SAVINGS.

I DON'T KNOW THE AGE OF EACH PROJECT WE'VE CLOSED OUT.

AND SO IT VARIES GOING BACK FIVE PLUS YEARS, TEN PLUS YEARS.

BUT AS OUR CIP COMMITTEE AND OUR STAFF CONTINUE TO DO THEIR WORK EVERY DAY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CLOSE OUT MORE. JERRY'S BUSY ON DOING THAT AND GETTING PROJECTS CLOSED OUT. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING MORE BACK TO YOU AND MORE BACK TO YOU AND MORE ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTED WAS WE WANTED THOSE CIPS THAT ARE OLD, RIGHT, CLOSED OUT AND THEN THAT TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY OF MONIES REMAINING IN PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED COUNCILS. WE WANTED THOSE BROUGHT BACK TO US SEPARATELY SO THAT WE COULD VOTE ON THOSE ITEMS. WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU'VE BROUGHT ALL THOSE BACK IN THIS BUDGET PROPOSAL WHICH YOU NOW CAN VOTE ON NOW.

AND SO AGAIN, THERE'S A PROCESS, THERE'S A POINT IN TIME WHEN YOU DO A BUDGET, THAT'S WHEN IT'S ALL PUT HERE.

AND SO YES, WE, WE CAN. WE HAVE BEEN BRINGING YOU BACK, WE HAVE BEEN BRINGING BACK TO YOU SOME.

LIKE WE DID MUNICIPAL COURT HERE ON TUESDAY. WE DID, WE DID A UTILITY, A UTILITY ONE. SO WE BRING SOME BACK TO YOU ALL THEN.

BUT OTHERWISE, AGAIN, GIVEN IN POINT IN TIME, AUGUST20, 20, 26, THIS IS YOUR BUDGET.

TIME WE WRAPPED ALL THAT'S REMAINING INTO THIS PROCESS HERE. YOU CAN NOW COMMIT TO NEW CIPS.

SO THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.

SO THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS SAVED IN MUNICIPAL COURTS PROJECTS, THAT'S NOW GOING TO GO TOWARDS FUTURE MUNICIPAL COURTS PROJECTS, THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED IN ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE HERE.

SO IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. YES. SO AS WE CLOSE OUT, AS WE.

I'M SORRY, IT WAS.

YEAH, THAT WASN'T CLOSED OUT YET.

WE'RE JUST NOW CLOSING THAT.

BUT IT WAS ALREADY ALLOCATED.

IT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE NUMBERS ALLOCATED TO ALLOCATE IS WHAT IT IS.

YEAH, GOOD POINT.

SO AS WE. BECAUSE I REALLY DO LIKE THE NEW PROCESS THAT MR. HOOPER'S GOT IN PLACE AS WE COMPLETE PROJECTS, IDENTIFY SAVINGS, BRINGING THOSE BACK AND YOU.

NEIL'S GOING THROUGH AND VERIFYING ALL OF THOSE. WE SEE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS NOW AND WE KNOW THAT'S A REALIZED MILLION DOLLAR SAVING THAT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO MANAGE MOVING FORWARD. BUT IT'S THE GOING BACKWARD PART THAT I THINK THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS IN. SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE 288 MILLION WAS OVERSTATED? BECAUSE IT WAS A GROSS LINE VERSUS A NET LINE. SO IT WAS A NEW REPORT. AND FROM, FROM WORKDAY, SHE JUST PICKED THE WRONG COLUMN, STAFF PICKED THE WRONG COLUMN. COMPARISON WISE TO PRIOR YEAR.

SO I UNDERSTAND Y' ALL REACHED OUT TO KIRSCHNECK, LIKE JULY 20TH, 21ST. RIGHT.

AND YOU SENT IT TO HIM SAYING YOU'VE REALIZED THAT YOU'VE OVERSTATED YOUR COMMITMENTS.

AND, AND SO YOU CAUGHT IT AND YOU SENT IT TO HIM AND YOU SAID, HEY, WE OVERSTATED OUR COMMITMENTS.

LET US KNOW IF, IF WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE. AND HE TOOK ABOUT A WEEK AND GOT BACK TO YOU AND SAID, YES, THIS IS MATERIAL, YOU NEED TO SEND ME THE NEW DATA.

AND WE DID OKAY.

AND THEN LIKE ON THE, A WEEK AFTER 27TH, 28TH, WHATEVER HE SAYS, GET ME THIS. AND SO YOU GUYS GOT IT TO HIM LAST WEEK AND HE'S NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? WHEN DID YOU GET

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IT TO HIM? I MEAN IT WAS DAYS AFTER WE ACKNOWLEDGED IT TURNED AROUND THE SAME, SAME DAY THAT HE ASKED FOR IT.

SO END OF JULY, YOU GUYS TURNED AROUND THE REVISED COMMITMENTS WITH THE NOTE, WITH THE REQUEST TO THE AUDITOR TO AMEND HIS AUDIT.

AND THEN HE'S ASKED YOU OR HAS HE NOT ASKED YOU? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THESE WERE OWED OVERSTATED COMMITMENTS? WE'VE PRESENTED ALL OF THE DATA TO HIM.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW MANY PROJECTS I, I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE DATA TO KNOW TO.

SO SOMEBODY PRESENTED ALL OF THE DATA WHICH YOU, NEIL, ACTUALLY LOOKED AT ALL OF IT AS WELL.

AND WHEN YOU PRESENT THE DATA TO HIM, HE'S GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND HE'S GOING TO VERIFY AND MAYBE SAMPLE AND LOOK AT THOSE TO SEE. OKAY, YOU ACTUALLY DID OVERSTATE YOUR COMMITMENT HERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP COME ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE 200.

THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT COLUMN THAT'S BEING PULLED.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME SAY IT AS A, AS A CITIZEN AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A CITIZEN, RIGHT? SO THOSE PEOPLE SEATED BEHIND YOU AND WATCHING ONLINE, THEIR CONCERN, AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE $288 MILLION WORTH OF COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE TOLD THEM WE WILL TAKE THEIR MONEY AND GO AND APPROPRIATE INTO THEIR TOWN.

WE CAN'T ARBITRARILY COME BACK AND JUST HIT A DELETE BUTTON AND SAY, AH, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER TO 207.

WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT. WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE IS WE COULD HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T FACTOR THE 288 CORRECTLY. IT'S ACTUALLY 207.

AND HERE'S ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. NOW HOW WE CITIZENS GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IS IT GOES TO CLA, WHO DID A GREAT JOB ON THE AUDIT AND THEY LOOK AT ALL THAT DATA, THEY GIVE THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 207. SO HOW, HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT? WHAT DOES HIS PROCESS LOOK LIKE? YOU, NEIL, YOU PROBABLY TELL US THAT, OKAY, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE GAVE HIM THAT REPORT, THE UPDATED REPORT AND THE SUPPORTING LINE ITEMS THAT WERE AFFECTED. SO WE LISTED THE PROJECTS THAT WAS CHANGED, THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED AND SHOWED HIM THE SUPPORT AS TO, OKAY, HOW DID WE GET THAT NUMBER, SO HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND HE'S GETTING A QA RESULTS REVIEWED AS WE SPEAK.

SO, OKAY, SO WE'LL GET ALL THAT AMENDED IN THE ACTOR AND THEN IT'LL REFLECT THAT IN NOTE 12 MOVING FORWARD.

WE, WE SHOULD ASSUME WE STILL HAVE $207 MILLION SITTING IN THE ACCOUNTS TO GO AND DO ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY AND THAT WE HAVEN'T REMOVED ANY PROJECTS THAT DOESN'T TAKE ANY OF THE PROJECTS.

NO MONEY IS MISSING, NO MONEY DISAPPEARED. I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT WE HAVE.

AND SO THERE'S NO MISSING MONEY SOMEWHERE.

BUT HAPPENING, THOUGH, THAT WAS 9, 30, 25. SO ANY SINCE THEN THAT WE HAVE CLOSED OUT AND BROUGHT TO YOU, LIKE THE ONES FROM TUESDAY ARE PART OF THAT 207.

THAT IS JUST THE 9, 30, END OF YEAR FY25. OKAY, SO TO MAKE SURE, EVERY NUMBER THAT I'M LOOKING AT AT THE TOP OF THE, THIS CENTER COLUMN HERE, WHERE YOU'RE GIVING ME MY PROJECT YEAR END, PROJECTED YEAR END, IS FROM A CALCULATION THAT YOU'VE DONE AS STAFF. NOT TO BE TIED TO MY ACTFIR, IT IS TIED TO THE ACTFIR, AND THAT'S THE PROCESS WE SHOWED TODAY. AND SO THERE'S A CALCULATION THAT GOES FROM THE ACTFIR TO THE CASH FLOW, BUT YOU HAVE TO BACK OUT THOSE COMMITMENTS IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT NUMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

IT'S A CALCULATION.

YES, YOU HAVE TO BACK OUT THE COMMISSION.

AND SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY LINE ITEM DEDUCTIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EXPENDITURES LIKE WE REPRESENTED ON TUESDAY. IF YOU, IF YOU DO THAT.

IF WE UPDATE NOTE 12.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IF IT'S READY BY SEPTEMBER, OTHERWISE IT'LL STILL SHOW HOW WE PRESENTED IT.

BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS FISC YEAR 2627.

OKAY, GO TO THAT GENERAL FUND CALCULATION, IF YOU WOULD. YOU EXPLAIN THE 6.7 MILLION ON THAT FRONT PAGE AND WHERE THAT BREAKS DOWN.

CAN YOU GIVE US THAT BREAKDOWN AGAIN? IT'S IN THE MIDDLE.

THERE WE GO.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR GENERAL FUND SUMMARY, THERE'S 5.5 MILLION IN GENERAL CONSTRUCTION.

RIGHT? THERE WE GO.

THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT ABOVE THAT. YOU SEE THE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION LINE ITEM FOR 5.57. WHY WOULD YOU DEDUCT THAT TWICE? YOU'RE LISTING 5.5 IS GENERAL CONSTRUCTION AS AN EXPENDITURE. AND THE. SO I'M ON PAGE 11 AND WE'RE JUST BACKING IT OUT SO YOU DON'T OVEREXTEND YOUR RESERVE. YOU DON'T NEED TO MORE BECAUSE THOSE ARE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES.

YEAH, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT PAGE 11. I UNDERSTAND THE BREAKDOWN. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME

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THE $6.7 MILLION AT THE BOTTOM, THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT IS IT INCLUDES 5.5 MILLION OF GENERAL CONSTRUCTION. MISS KATRINA? THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S ALSO UP IN THE THE MIDDLE AREA IN THE EXPENDITURE.

SO YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF YOUR.

IT'S LISTED AS AN EXPENDITURE.

IT IS.

ARE ANY OF THESE OTHER ITEMS LISTED AS EXPENDITURES UP IN THE EXPENDITURE COLUMN? WELL, THEY WOULD ALL BE PAYMENTS OUT. SO OTHER THAN THE PARTS ENI.

SO EVERYTHING THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE 6.7 IS ALREADY CONSIDERED IN ALL OF YOUR EXPENDITURES THAT ADD UP TO THE $287 MILLION.

THEN WE TAKE OUR RESERVE OUT OF THE 287 FOR THE 55 MILLION.

AND I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN.

IT'S OUT OF THE 281. SO WE DEDUCT THAT. SO YOU CAN CALCULATE RESERVE OFF THE 281.

WELL, AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE VERY SIMPLISTIC. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR TOTAL REVENUES OVER OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BALANCE. THEN THE ONLY MATH PROBLEM THAT WE THE SIMPLETONS NEED TO FIGURE IS WE SHOULD HAVE A 90 DAY OPERATING RESERVE.

THAT'S 55 MILLION ROUGHLY.

OKAY, SO TOTAL REVENUES AS YOU'VE GOT THEM RIGHT OVER TOTAL EXPENDITURES WITH THE BACK OUT OF THE 55 MILLION AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT ARE NEEDED. THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE TIME EXPENDITURE ITEM.

IT LISTS.

IT SAYS LESS ONE TIME EXPENDITURES. AM I MISINTERPRETING THE WORD LESS? DOES IT MEAN MINUS? IT MEANS MINUS.

SO IT'S A DEDUCTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT DOWN ANOTHER 6.7. EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ALREADY CALCULATED THAT 6.7 IN ALL OF OUR EXPENDITURES.

IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CALCULATING YOUR EXPENDITURES VERSUS CALCULATING YOUR RESERVE.

YEAH, YOU'RE DOING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS PAGE HERE. UP THERE, TOTAL EXPENDITURES, SHOWING HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO SPEND. THE BOTTOM THIRD DOWN THERE IS YOUR CALCULATION RESERVE. THAT'S A SEPARATE THING FROM THE ABOVE THERE. SO THAT IS JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT WE NEED FOR RESERVES RIGHT THERE.

SO WE TAKE THE 287, THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES. THEN WE DEDUCT ANOTHER 6.7 MILLION OFF OF THAT TO PULL THAT OUT TO SHOW THAT THOSE ARE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES.

YEAH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF YOUR RESERVE CALCULATION.

THEN IT WOULDN'T FACTOR AT ALL IF WE DIDN'T LIST IT SEPARATELY.

YOU'RE JUST GETTING TO THE 90 DATA RESERVES TO SEE IF YOU'RE OVER BUDGET OR UNDER BUDGET OR IF YOU'RE BALANCED.

SO IT'S VERY CONFUSING IF YOU'RE READING THIS LIST RIGHT.

SO IF YOU'RE READING THE LIST YOU SEE YOUR TOTAL RESOURCES, RIGHT? $343 MILLION TOTAL.

STARTED THE YEAR WITH 62 MILLION. BRING IN 271. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT NUMBER UP A LITTLE IN OUR PROJECTIONS. THEN YOU'VE GOT GRANT INCOME, THEN YOU'VE GOT TRANSFERS COMING IN AND WE KNOW WHERE SOME OF THOSE ARE COMING FROM. NOW THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU BACK OUT OR THAT'S YOUR TOTAL REVENUES PLUS YOUR STARTING POSITION 343. RIGHT. THEN YOU GO DOWN AND YOU LIST ALL YOUR GENERAL OPERATING AND, AND THEN YOU BREAK DOWN EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE BREAKDOWN OF CONSTRUCTION FOR 5.5. SO WE BACK ALL THAT OUT AND WE END UP WITH TRANSFERS WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO COST US 287 WHICH NETS US THE BALANCE THERE AVAILABLE FUNDS OF 55,055,003.

AND SO THEN WE COMPARE THAT NUMBER TO WHAT A THREE MONTH RESERVE WAS NUMBER NEEDED. AND SO WE DO THE CALCULATION THEN BELOW THAT 55,300 YOU DO THE CALCULATION, SEE. OKAY. 287 PULL OUT THE 6.7 BECAUSE ONE TIME EXPENDITURE TO SEE WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR GET 281. THEN YOUR THREE MONTH RESERVE 55 8. SO THEN WE SHOW YOU THAT 558 IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR RESERVE. SO WE ARE $523,000 UNDER OUR RESERVE. BUT FOR US WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR WALKING THAT ALL THE WAY, THE LONG WAY AROUND. LIKE I KNOW THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT IN EXPLAINING TO THE PUBLIC WHO SEES IT LISTED THIS WAY. ALL THEY SEE IS A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE OVER HERE WITH NO DISCUSSION NEXT TO IT. AND SO LIKE WE GET THOSE QUESTIONS.

YEAH, Y' ALL PROBABLY DON'T LIKE WHY'D YOU TAKE ANOTHER $6 MILLION OFF? HERE YOU GO AGAIN.

YOU'RE THIS OR THAT.

SO LIKE YEAH, IT COULD, IT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE. I MEAN IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU DO THAT? WE COULD PUT LIKE A BIG BLACK BAR ACROSS THERE TO ALMOST SAY LIKE THIS IS THIS, IS THIS, THIS IS THIS. AND WE CAN PUT IT ON A SEPARATE PAGE IF WE NEEDED TO. WE JUST, IT'S ALL JUST HERE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW CASH FLOWS WORK.

AND SO BUT YEAH, IT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. IT'S

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COMPARING YOUR THREE MONTH RESERVE TO YOUR AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THAT'S WHAT WE AS STAFF, WHEN WE SEE THAT AVAILABLE CASH FLOW OVER UNDER, WHEN IT'S WAY, WAY OFF, THAT'S WHEN WE GO BACKWARDS BEFORE COMING TO YOU. OKAY, IF, IF I, IF IT SAID LIKE NEGATIVE 30 MILLION, I'M REALLY IN TROUBLE FOR RESERVES. AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE GO BACK TO HEY, WE GOT TO GO BACK UP HERE AND FIGURE OUT OKAY, WHAT DO I CUT SO I MAKE SURE I HAVE ENOUGH RESERVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO AGAIN WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS 523,000 OVER IS COMFORTABLE FOR US GIVEN 55 MILLION IS A NUMBER. 523,000 IS A SMALL NUMBER COMPARED TO THAT.

AND I DO WANT TO ADD THAT IS TOTAL ONGOING EXPENDITURES. SO YOUR ONGOING RESERVES. SO YOU NEED TO BACK OUT YOUR ONE TIME TO GET YOUR ONGOING RESERVES ONGOING RESERVE.

BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO RESERVE A ONE TIME BECAUSE IT'S A ONE TIME.

SO HERE'S MY LAST QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

GENERAL FUND, NEW ONE TIME CASH FUNDS AVAILABLE 11.9 MILLION.

BUT I'M TYING IT BACK TO NOW I SEE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF 5.5. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE, WHERE WE COME UP WITH THE 11:9 HERE VERSUS WE'RE LISTING IT AT 5:5. SO IF I'M JUST LOOKING AT PAGE 11, I'M GOING TO EXPECT TO HAVE CIP MONEY OF 5.5.

BUT THEN WHEN I GO BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME HERE, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED 11, ALMOST 12 MILLION THERE. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THAT? BECAUSE THIS, THIS PAGE 11 IS NOW COMPREHENSIVE. IT'S GOT ALL THE NUMBERS CALCULATED AT IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO BRING UP THE 4000 TAB ON THE CIP PIECE BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS, THERE'S SOME REALIZED AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT WAS, THAT'S AT THAT 5.5 IS BASICALLY NEW CIP. AND THEN WE ALSO DO THIS CALCULATION IN OUR GENERAL CONSTRUCTION FUND AS WELL.

SO WE'RE GETTING AN AVAILABLE FUNDS CALCULATION THERE.

SO THERE IS SOME SAVINGS THAT WERE REALIZED THERE.

SO WHERE WE, WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU.

SO THERE'S THAT 5.5 PLUS THE OR LESS LESS THE 11.9 MILLION.

SO YOU, YOU GOT 6.4 THAT WE'VE REALIZED THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.

ON TOP OF THAT THAT 5.5 WOULD BE NEW PLUS THE AVAILABLE FUNDS CALCULATION THAT SHOWED US WE HAD SOME REALIZED SAVINGS THAT'S BEING BROUGHT BACK TO YOU THAT'S AVAILABLE.

THAT'S CAPTURING THOSE GENERAL FUND CLOSED OUT PROJECTS AND SAVINGS AND WHY THAT'S SO DIFFICULT IS WE ONLY NOW ARE LOOKING AT THE 207 AS CLOSED OUT BY 25. YOU IDENTIFIED IN THOSE CLOSED OUT PROJECTS, $43 MILLION. BUT THEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR PROJECTS THROUGH 26 AND YOU'RE FINDING AT THE END OF 26 WE'VE BUILT IN ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IN OUR NEW REVENUES. PLUS YOU'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION THAT YOU'VE CAPTURED DURING CURRENT YEAR.

YEAH, SOME OF IT WILL BE CURRENT YEAR THAT ROLLS OVER AND IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OUR UTILITY FUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THEIR ONE FUND. GENERAL CONSTRUCTION DOES HAVE ITS OWN BUCKET THAT ONCE A PROJECT'S CLOSED OUT, IT GOES TO THAT AND IT HAS TO BE CARRIED OVER TO BE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE WALK THIS OUT, WHEN WE'RE BRINGING PROJECTS BACK, WE DIDN'T CONSIDER SOME MONIES HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MUNICIPAL COURT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. WE FELT GOOD VOTING FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT MONEY. SO YOU SPEND IT WITHIN THE CURRENT YEAR. BUT, BUT SOMEHOW IN HERE WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER 6 MILLION.

BUT YOU ONLY HAVE CLOSED OUT PROJECTS AND ONGOING PROJECTS.

AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CHANGE OVER TO THE NEW FORMAT AND IT'S GETTING EVEN MORE CONFUSING IN THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NOTE 12 CHANGE.

UNDERSTOOD.

YEP. SO WITH THIS COUNCIL, WITH OUR AVAILABLE TIME REMAINING, I RECOMMEND THAT WE PROCEED WITH THE SUBMITTAL AND CIP CONVERSATIONS SO, SO WE CAN GET SOME STARTED BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO, WE DO NEED TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON HOW TO, HOW TO DEDICATE THESE FUNDS.

WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, IF I WOULDN'T MIND, JUST AS DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, CAN I JUST, ON THE VERY LAST PAGE, CAN I JUST ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS? YEAH. LAST PAGE OF WHAT? THE PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST DID.

OKAY. YEP, YEP.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE GENERAL FUND WE HAVE 6.2, POTENTIALLY $7.2 MILLION THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR RECURRING EXPENSES THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED IN THE BUDGET.

AND THEN, SO WE HAVE A LIST, I'M SURE YOU HAVE A LIST OF THINGS WE WOULD HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.

YEAH. 19 MILLION WORTH.

AND, AND THEN DID THE SAME WITH THE WATER AND THE SEW AND THE REST OF IT. AND THEN THE ONE TIME CASH FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR NEW CIPS. THIS IS THE RESULT OF, AFTER GOING THROUGH, THROUGH CLOSING OUT THE PROJECTS AND THEN LOOKING AT THE CASH FLOW ANALYSIS AND

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PUTTING AND DOING THE COMPLIANCE FOR THE RESERVES, THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS FREED UP IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS TO DO, TO DO CAPITAL PROJECTS ON TOP OF EXCESS REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES. THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER FOR THAT CALCULATION. YES.

OKAY. WELL I WOULD LIKE TO.

AND I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S PART OF THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD NEED FROM COUNCIL IN ADDITION TO NOT ONLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT, BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY TAX RATE AND MAYBE WHERE WE WOULD STAND, MY POSITION WOULD BE I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO A NO NEW TAX REVENUE RATE, ABOUT 700,000 I GUESS. AND THEN I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WAS TO FURTHER HELP ON MITIGATING THE TAX INCREASE FOR THE CITIZENS. WHAT, WHAT? YOU KNOW THOSE ONE TIME EXPENSES THAT ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND. ARE THOSE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY TO USE PART OF THIS 11.9 MILLION FOR? YEAH, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, WE, WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE YESTERDAY.

OH, THAT'S FINE.

THOSE NUMBERS. YES.

WELL, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF IT, BUT I MEAN THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR THAT IN THERE.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COULD.

YEAH. SO WE DID HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION. THERE'S NOT, I MEAN IN ONGOING. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRUE ONE TIME BECAUSE AGAIN A LOT OF OUR PURCHASES ARE ONGOING PURCHASES WE DO EVERY YEAR. SO WE DEDICATE THOSE TO YOUR CIPS. SO I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WILL ULTIMATELY BE, I MEAN NOT TO CUT TO THE END, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THAT, THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, WE JUST LOOK AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AS BEING OR WE EVEN IF THE COUNCIL WISH TO EVEN SUBTRACT, EVEN GO BACK FURTHER ON THE TAX RATE, WE FOCUS ON THE ONGOING RECURRING SIDE OF THINGS.

WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. I MEAN AS I LOOK AT OTHER TAXING ENTITIES, THEY ARE ALL APPEARING TO GO UP. WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, WE HAVE SOME MONEY THAT THE TAXPAYERS ENTRUSTED WITH US OVER THE YEARS AND IT WAS IN OPERATIONAL AT ONE TIME.

AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE PART OF NOT WANTING TO DO THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST PUSH FOR AS MUCH PROPERTY TAX RELIEF AS WE CAN GET ON THE M AND O SIDE.

YEAH. SO I THINK IT'D BE GOOD NOW BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD POINT.

WE SHOULD TALK AS A COUNCIL, THE VATR, THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE VERSUS NNR RATE IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO. THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT DOES CHANGE A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO THE REST OF THE DAY.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO CONTINUE WITH IT THEN I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED AS WELL.

WELL, THE OTHER THING JUST TO KEEP IN MIND AND AGAIN, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY TAXES, I LOOK AT WHOLLY WHAT OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING. SO THAT'S ON THE INS SIDE AND IT'S ON THE M AND O SIDE AND WE'VE ALREADY SET THE INS SIDE. WE CAN'T PROVIDE ANY RELIEF ON THAT SIDE. BUT ON THE M AND O SIDE WE STILL HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND AGAIN, WHEN WE GET INTO NEXT YEAR, YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF INS DEBT RUNNING OFF.

CORRECT? I SAY A LOT. IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.

AND DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH THAT SUBSEQUENT DEBT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DECIDE TO ISSUE DEBT OR NEXT YEAR WE COULD, WE COULD RECLAIM WHAT WE DID NOT CLAIM THIS YEAR ON M AND O, THE TAX RATE IF WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND GET IT.

SO I MEAN IT'S A FLEXIBILITY.

SO IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO, I'M JUST LOOKING AWAY, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE YEARS HERE WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST TRY TO MITIGATE THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT COSTING, I THINK HOPEFULLY THE CITY A LOT AND JUST BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY, COUNCILOR SIMPSON IS SAYING JUST TO MAKE SURE THE WHOLE COUNCIL IN THE TRUTH AND TAXATION FORMS, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY, IF YOU CHOOSE THIS FISCAL, THIS 26, 27 TO NOT RAISE YOUR TAX RATE.

YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY A YEAR FROM NOW TO GO BACK AND CAPTURE THAT THEN, NOW YOU HAVE A THREE YEAR WINDOW. SO IF YOU WAIT FOUR YEARS, YOU'VE LOST IT FOREVER. AND SO YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK.

BUT THEN THE COUNCIL A YEAR FROM NOW WILL BE LOOKING AT THREE AND A HALF PLUS MORE.

SO THEY'LL BE FACED WITH THAT QUESTION ON DO WE WANT TO BE THE COUNCIL THAT RAISES AT THREE AND A HALF PLUS MORE AT THAT POINT. SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, THIS IS AN ONGOING FORECASTING EFFORT FOR BUDGETS.

AND WHAT I WOULD ADD, WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS IF WE RUN THOSE CALCULATIONS, LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN SIMPSON'S ASKING IS WHAT DOES THAT SAVE? LIKE IF WE TAKE SOME OF THESE MONIES LIKE YOU SAY, AND APPLY IT TO SOME THINGS IN THE BUDGET SO, SO THAT WE CAN REMOVE THAT COST, WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO SAVINGS? I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY. WHAT HE'S GETTING AT IS IF WE TAKE THIS AND PAY FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE, WHAT DOES THAT ALLEVIATE TO THE TAXPAYER? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? EXACTLY. BECAUSE I THINK AGAIN, BECAUSE WE GOT THAT,

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WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT, I GUESS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE OFFICIAL RATE THAT WE HAVE HAD TO VOTE ON. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE HAD TO VOTE ON WHAT RATE? EVEN BEFORE WE COMPLETE THE BUDGET.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES.

SO AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON NO NEW TAX, ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON THE VOTER APPROVED, WHICH I GUESS IS WHAT IS IN HERE RIGHT NOW, OR WE MAY ALREADY BE PAST THE DEADLINE TO VOTE FOR A VOTER APPROVE. I CAN'T REMEMBER.

OH, YES, WE ARE.

BUT WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON ONE OF THOSE TWO TAX RATES AT THAT POINT.

YES. EITHER THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, THE NO NEW REVENUE, OR SOME RATE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS. AND AGAIN, AS YOUR MANAGER, I ALWAYS ADVISE YOU, YOU COULD ALWAYS DROP THE RATE EVEN FURTHER. I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SERVICES PROVIDE, BUT YOU COULD ALWAYS GO BELOW THE NO TO REVENUE RATE AS WELL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. AGAIN, I JUST THINK AS COGNIZANT AS WE CAN BE OF FINANCIAL PRESSURES THAT ARE ON MANY FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM OUT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT WAS IN HERE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE LOWER THE RATE, NOT ALL VOTER, NOT ALL CITIZENS MAY GET A TAX REDUCTION BECAUSE THEIR APPRAISED VALUE HAS GONE UP.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT JUST LOOKING AT RANDALL COUNTY, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST PEOPLE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT MEDIAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD CHANCE OF EVEN AT THAT RATE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OR MAYBE EVEN GET A LITTLE BIT OF A TAX BREAK OF IT. I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HARM THE CITY.

BUT YOU KNOW, CITIZENS HAVE HAD TO TIGHTEN THEIR BELTS BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.

AND I JUST LIKE FOR US TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AS WELL AS WE'RE KIND OF FIGURING OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED.

ABSOLUTELY.

CAN I STEP IN WITH A QUICK CLARIFICATION JUST ON THE PROCESS PART? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER SIMPSON, WE WILL BRING AN ITEM TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE MAXIMUM NOT TO EXCEED TAX RATE BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY APPROVE YOUR TAX RATE.

SO IF YOU DO SET THAT AT A HIGHER RATE COUNCIL CAN STILL COME IN WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ADOPT YOUR TAX RATE AND ADOPT LOWER. SO ON AUGUST 25TH IS WHEN WE'RE PLANNING TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE NOT TO EXCEED TAX RATE. AND SO IF YOU DO GO HIGHER ON THAT DATE, YOU CAN STILL DECIDE TO ADOPT A LOWER TAX RATE.

I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CIP JUST FOR A SECOND.

WE HAD A TYPO. SOLID WASTE FUNDS AMOUNT WAS LISTED TWICE AS 3 MILLION. WATER AND SEWER IS ACTUALLY 13 MILLION. SO THE OVERALL WHEN YOU ADD ALL THOSE UP IS 36.4 MILLION.

SO IT'S THIRD. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT QUESTION TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. THE EXACT SAME. I'M LIKE THERE, THERE'S NO WAY.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S 13 MILLION.

SO WATER RES ACTUALLY 1313, YES.

OKAY. WHICH MATCHES THE OTHER DOCUMENTS I SENT YOU FROM FRIDAY.

OKAY, YEAH. SO THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE THEN.

NO.

WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND ARE WE LOOKING AT A TAX RATE INCREASE INCREASE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL THAT REVENUES 700K AFTER WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT EACH PENNY WOULD REPRESENT 1.6 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES. SO HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THAT 700? YEAH. SO THE TRUTH IN TAXATION FORM. LET ME GET IT OVER HERE. SO. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THAT, BUT IT'S A 10 PAGE CALCULATION. SO. SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE I MEAN I DON'T RECOMMEND WE GO LINE BY LINE.

WE WON'T GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED.

AND SO JUST TO BEGIN WITH, RANDALL COUNTY FIRST DOES THE CALCULATION, THEN OUR STAFF DOUBLE CHECKS THE CALCULATION.

SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I KNOW CITIZENS THINK THAT IT'S SIMPLE. IT'S REVENUE TIMES 1.035. IT'S NOT THAT. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATES AND THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATES, THEY GO THROUGH D DOZENS OF SEQUENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS.

BEFORE THE 3.5% IS EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THE LEGISLATION PUT INTO ACCOUNT THAT BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THE 3.5, IT LOOKS AT, IT LOOKS AT TAX CEILINGS. IT LOOKS AT COURT ORDERED AND ARB APPEAL ADJUSTMENTS. IT LOOKS AT NEW EXEMPTIONS GRANTED THIS YEAR.

IT LOOKS AT AGRICULTURAL TIMBER, SPECIAL APPRAISAL CHANGES. IT LOOKS AT TAX INCREMENT FINANCE CHANGES. IT LOOKS AT PROPERTIES UNDER PROTEST OR NOT YET CERTIFIED. IT LOOKS AT ANNEXED TERRITORIES AND NEW IMPROVEMENTS. IT LOOKS AT UNUSED INCREMENT RATE AND IT LOOKS AT DEBT RATE. ALL THOSE THINGS GO INTO THE CALCULATION. SO WHEN, SO YOU LOOK AT YOUR. SO WHEN YOU. ALL THOSE 10 PAGES OF CALCULATIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT GETS YOU YOUR $700,000. AND SO IT'S NOT A SIMPLE 1.6 TO 1.6. YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ALL THESE EXEMPTIONS AND EXCEPTIONS THAT LEGISLATION REQUIRES THIS TO GO THROUGH. AND WE JUST HAD.

WE JUST HAD A RELATIVELY FLAT YEAR WHEN IT CAME TO VALUES.

AND SO. AND WHEN YOU MIX IN DIFFERENT PROTESTS, YOU MIX IN DIFFERENT COURT ORDERS, YOU MIX IN DIFFERENT EXEMPTIONS, ALL OF THAT NETS OUT TO GET YOU YOUR FINAL NUMBER.

SO THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN A SUMMARY. I KNOW THE COUNCIL WANT KIND OF A SUMMARIZED VERSION. IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED CALCULATION, BUT AGAIN, THE RANDALL COUNTY DID IT, OUR STAFF REVIEWED IT, AND SO. SO THE NUMBERS APPEAR TO BE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.

SO, GRAYSON, IF YOU'LL BOTTOM

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LINE IT FOR US. YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET OVER HERE HAS A TOTAL REVENUE.

RIGHT. OPERATING INCOME OF 271,379. THAT.

THAT CALCULATION IS AT 44 CENTS PER HUNDRED.

YEAH, IT INCLUDES THAT.

REDUCE THAT DOWN TO 42 CENTS PER HUNDRED, WHICH WOULD BE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AND BOTTOM LINE IT. TELL ME WHAT THAT NUMBER WILL BE. IS IT 700,000 LESS THAN THE 271? BASICALLY, YOU JUST ELIMINATE $7,000 IN PROPERTY TAX. IS THAT RIGHT, LOLA? RIGHT. YEAH.

SO WE HAVE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PROPERTY TAX ACCOUNT.

WE HAVE THE CURRENT YEAR LEVY, WE HAVE THE PRIOR YEAR TAX LEVY, AS WELL AS PENALTIES AND INTEREST PAYMENTS. SO THAT ALL GETS FACTORED INTO FINDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S COLLECTIONS FOR MNO AND CURRENT YEAR MNO TAXES.

BOTTOM LINE. COUNCILMAN SIMPSON IS SAYING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD PROVIDE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF TO ITS CITIZENS AND HOLD THE.

THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AT 42 CENTS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY IS. AND IT WILL ONLY CHANGE MY REVENUES $700,000 IN YOUR BUDGET.

AND THEN I THINK IT'LL IMPACT THE TIERS AROUND 200,000. SO IT'S MORE LIKE 900,000.

WE'LL RUN THE NUMBERS FOR YOU.

OKAY, THAT'S FOR THE 2 CENTS.

IT'S ONLY 7. IT'S $900,000 FOR THE 2 PENNIES AFTER YOU CALCULATE EVERYTHING OUT AND YOU GET THE EXTRA REVENUE BASED ON ALL THIS CALCULATION.

YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT.

YEAH, I KNOW THAT. THAT'S.

THAT'S WHY IT'S. IT'S A. IT'S A. IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED. I GET IT.

I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE COMPLICATED.

I WISH, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU ONE EQUALS ONE PLUS ONE.

I DON'T NEED THAT.

I JUST NEED THE SIMPLE. TWO CENTS MEANS $900,000. 200,000 TIERS, 700,000.

SO DROP INTO THE NO NEW REVENUE RANK GETS YOU DOWN TO THAT 700,000. LET'S.

LET'S DRIVE HERE REAL QUICK, COUNCIL, ARE YOU GUYS GOOD TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD AS YOU ENTERTAIN REQUESTS? LET'S INTEND TO HOLD TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. SO TAXES WILL STAY FLAT. NOT GOING TO INCREASE TAXES AT ALL.

THAT'LL COST US IN THE GENERAL FUND $700,000.

AND WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH CONSIDERING AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR PROJECTED IN SALES TAX, WHICH WAS SUPER CONSERVATIVE TO HOLD IT FLAT TO WHAT THE CURRENT YEAR WILL BE.

FLAT PLUS 3%. OH, WELL, YEAH, IT'S ESTIMATED ACTUALS PLUS 3%.

BUT SO IT'S 26 PROJECTIONS.

RIGHT, THAT ARE STILL COMING IN ONE MORE MONTH OF ESTIMATION AND THEN YOU, YOU ADDED 3% FOR NEXT YEAR.

OKAY, SO A MILLION DOLLAR ADDITIONAL REVENUE PROJECTION WOULD OFFSET THAT ON SALES TAX.

IF YOU DROP THE PROPERTY TAX DOWN TO. YOU'LL HAVE 5.5, ADD BACK THE MILLION, BRINGS YOUR NUMBER TO 6.5 MILLION AVAILABLE.

OKAY, SO COUNCIL, WE KEEP SAYING, HEY, ALL OF OUR SERVICES PROVIDE SERVICES FOR FAR MORE PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES THAN PAY TAXES HERE. SO JUST OUR PROPERTY TAXPAYERS, LIKE THEY GOT TO PAY FOR ALL OF IT. NO, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCREASE SALES TAX. LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCREASE ECONOMIC STIMULUS, BRING BUSINESS TO TOWN. LET'S HAVE DIFFERENT METHODS. THESE ARE WORKING, RIGHT? SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO. IF WE PUSH THAT SALES TAX NUMBER OVER AND RELY ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT AND WE RELIEF SOME OF THE BURDEN TO PAY FOR POLICE, FIRE SERVICES, CORPS, ALL YOUR AMENITIES, CAN WE GO THAT DIRECTION FOR THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION? COUNCILMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF. IF WE DO THIS, NO NEW TAXES, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IN SALARIES AND IN WAGES FOR CITY EMPLOYEES? WELL, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WORKING WITH LESS MONEY. AND SO AS AGAIN, IF THE CITY COUNCIL IN TODAY'S CONVERSATIONS PRIOR, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ABOUT $20 MILLION WORTH OF SUPPLEMENTAL PAY AND PART OF THAT IS GENERAL EMPLOYEES, POLICE AND FIRE. AND SO I BELIEVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THAT, AND WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD HERE. I THINK WE NEED ABOUT 4 MILLION FOR, FOR THE COLA FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. IS THAT RIGHT, ANDREW? ONE MORE TIME.

FOR THE COLA FOR, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, 3%. IS THAT ABOUT 4 TO 5 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND? IN GENERAL FUND, MUCH LESS THAN THAT.

THAT'S LESS THAN 2 MILLION.

OKAY, SO, SO I. SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO COLAS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT WORKING WITH 3% CIVILIANS, 2.1 MILLION.

BUT WHAT ABOUT WITH POLICE AND FIRE AS WELL? 4.6.

OKAY, 4.6. YES. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ALL THAT YOU WOULD THEN JUST BE CUTTING INTO YOUR ABILITY

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TO PAY FOR. IF YOU WANT TO ADD LIKE AGAIN EXAMPLE ANOTHER AMW OFFICER OR OR TASERS FOR PLATES OR THOSE OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AGAIN IT JUST COMES DOWN TO YOU HAVE LESS REVENUE TO WORK WITH WITH FOR THE.

FOR THE POOL OF SUBMITTALS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

BUT IF WE DON'T BUDGET.

BUT, BUT WE JUST FOUND A MILLION DOLLARS I'M NOT FOUND WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BUDGETING SALES TAX CONSERVATIVE. I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO MANY FACTORS THAT CAN COME INTO PLAY THAT YOU CANNOT PREDICT ON A DIME THAT COULD PROTECT.

BUT JUST SAY FOR EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF SAYING A MILLION WE GOT 700,000. WELL WE JUST SWITCHED THAT FROM OUR TAXPAYERS TO THE SALES TAXPAYERS. I MEAN THAT WOULD BE. THAT WOULD NET OUT THE SAME. THERE WOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE IF WE, IF WE ADDED THAT BACK IN THERE. AGAIN I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO WITHOUT CAUSING HAVOC OR PROBLEMS TO AGAIN YOU KNOW LOOK AT YOU KNOW THE, THE 11.9 MILLION. HOW MUCH OF THAT A CAN WE USE AND THEN HOW MUCH OF IT ARE THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE COULD USE PART OF THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT ON SOME TYPE OF PROJECT. I MEAN IF WE GOT THE CASH SITTING THERE. I MEAN WE LOOK AT OUR GOAL IS TO INVEST X NUMBER OF DOLLARS IN STREETS EVERY YEAR. YOU KNOW THAT WAS ABOUT 12 MILLION AND 14 MILLION A YEAR. I MEAN AGAIN LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE THAT CAN SAVE US MONEY ON ISSUING DEBT AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN SAVE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

YEAH. SO WHILE I'LL SAY REAL QUICK I'VE GOT A WHOLE ROOM OF DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE. I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM HERE TO BE LOOK TODAY I NEED ANSWERS BY THIS AFTERNOON. LOOK AT YOUR BUDGETS AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAVE ANY ONGOING ANY ONE TIME EXPENSES IN YOUR OPERATING THAT COULD BE FUNDED BY ONE TIME. SO YOU GUYS KNOW YOUR BUDGETS BETTER THAN I DO.

SO BE THINKING ABOUT YOUR BUDGETS AND I NEED ANSWERS BY THIS AFTERNOON. IF YOU GUYS ANY HAVE ANY THINGS THAT'S IN YOUR OPERATING THAT IS A ONE TIME TO COUNSELOR SIMPSON'S POINT THAT WE CAN THEN APPLY ONE TIME MONEY TOWARDS SO AND THEN WE CAN BRING THE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU TOMORROW.

THANKS FOR DOING THE EXERCISE REAL QUICK.

APPRECIATE AND COUNCIL MAY NOT WANT TO GO ALONG THOSE LINES. I DON'T KNOW BUT I THINK JUST KNOWING WHAT THE OPTION IS FOR THIS.

YEAH AND I THINK WHAT I'VE GOT I THINK COUNCILOR TIPPS EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT. I THINK YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO, I NEED THEIR HELP TO HELP ME BECAUSE THOUSANDS OF LINES, THEY. WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER TO FIGURE IT OUT SO WE CAN BRING INFORMATION BACK TO YOU TOMORROW. BUT I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW'S PURPOSES, I THINK, I THINK STEP ONE IS NO NEW REVENUE VERSUS VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. I THINK I'M HEARING POTENTIALLY MAY OR MAYBE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AND SO, AND THEN TO COUNCILOR PRESCOTT'S QUESTION, WHAT DOES THAT DO? IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE LESS MONEY TO WORK WITH. THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU HAVE THE WHOLE POOL OF 20 MILLION ROUGHLY SUPPLEMENTALS, YOU HAVE $70,000 LESS TO WORK WITH TOWARDS THAT LIST. THAT'S ALL IT REALLY MEANS. AND THEN WHAT IT ULTIMATELY MEANS IS IF FUTURE COUNCILS DO NOT ELECT TO CAPTURE THAT AGAIN, THAT'S LOST FOREVER. SO WE HAVE THREE YEARS TO CAPTURE THAT BACK. SO A FUTURE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT PLUS WE'LL BE LEFT OVER THIS YEAR TO BRING THAT BACK. ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE FOR GOOD AFTER THREE YEARS.

WITH THE CAVEAT THAT'S BASED ON CURRENT LAW. AND THEY HAVE A NEW SESSION COMING UP.

AND IT MAY STILL GO AWAY.

PROPERTY TAXES IS HOT TOPIC FOR LEGISLATION. I KNOW GOVERNOR ABBOTT, I KNOW MAYOR HAS BEEN APPROACHED BY COUNCIL MAYOR CONGRESSMAN FAIRLEY ABOUT WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ON GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S PROPERTY TAX IDEAS. THEY ARE TROUBLING FOR US AND SO BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH TODAY.

YOU KNOW, I JUST HEARD BEFORE AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU KNOW, SAID, WOW, OUR TAXES ARE NOT HIGH ENOUGH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

AND THEN WE LOOK AT OTHER RATES. OF COURSE I APPRECIATED THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR PROPERTY TAX IS RELATED TO, RELATIVE TO OTHERS.

BUT WE ARE FORTUNATE IF YOU, IF YOU PUT THE SALES TAX UP ON SOME OF THOSE SAME CITIES, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AND OUR TAXPAYERS ARE FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT I JUST THINK JUST BEING COGNIZANT OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX MAY GO, YOU KNOW, AWAY, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THIS PIECE AS SOME TO BE THINKING IN OUR FINANCIAL POLICY WE HAVE A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHENEVER SALES TAX IS IN DANGER EACH YEAR. SO WE HAVE A, IF WE ARE DOING FORECASTS FOR MID YEAR, IF WE'RE SEEING SALES TAX COMING UNDER PROJECTIONS. I THEN HAVE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE POLICY TO START SAYING, STAFF, CUT THIS, CUT THAT, STEP TWO, CUT THIS, CUT THAT. SO THE REASON THAT EXISTS IS BECAUSE SALES TAX IS VOLATILE, UNLIKE PROPERTY TAX, WHICH IS KNOWN. SALES TAX IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE FORECASTING, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. SO. SO WE. SO IF WE PUT A LOT, WE PUT TOO MANY EGGS IN ONE BASKET. I MAY HAVE TO TAKE SOME EGGS OUT NEXT YEAR IF SALES TAX COMES IN UNDER THAT. THAT'S JUST THE RISK WE PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO SALES TAX. THAT'S WHY PROPERTY TAX IS SO RELIABLE FOR CITIES, BECAUSE IT'S SET. I KNOW IT'S UNPOPULAR, BUT BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED, SALES TAX ISN'T REQUIRED.

PEOPLE CAN TURN. THEY CAN JUST NOT SHOP. PROPERTY TAX,

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YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE.

BUT AS A CITY, I HAVE FIXED BASE COSTS TO PROVIDE SERVICES. SO AGAIN, I JUST MAKE THAT AS AN ILLUSTRATION. AND THAT'S WHY SALES TAX IS EXCITING, IT'S ATTRACTIVE, WE LIKE IT, WE HOPE THAT IT GROWS. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD GO THE OTHER DIRECTION AS WELL.

YEAH. THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT THE TAXES BEING LOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE RAISED TAXES, I THINK FOR GOOD REASON, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN ON THE M AND O SIDE. IT'S BEEN TO ISSUE DEBT ON THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.

SO WE HAVE. WE HAVE RAISED TAXES FOR. TO BE ABLE TO INVEST ON THAT. SO I THINK WE ARE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO BE WISE ON THAT INVESTMENT. BUT IN THE FUTURE, I JUST THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE AS COGNIZANT, IF WE CAN, FROM THE TAXPAYERS.

ABSOLUTELY.

HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO SAVE IF WE KEEP IT FLAT? $700,000.

THAT'S THE NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO SAVE.

YEAH. IN TOTAL FOR THE CITY.

AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN PER CITIZEN IS. IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT LESS DEPENDS ON.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CITIZEN.

BUT I THINK THE EXAMPLE WE HAD.

YES. OR TUESDAY WAS LIKE FIVE TO TEN DOLLARS A MONTH.

I THINK I DON'T.

MINIMAL.

SO LIKE I SAID, IT DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE MEDIAN HOUSE AND ALL THE.

ALL THE THINGS.

BUT YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT $10, FIVE TO $10.

THE ONES THAT WOULD SEE THE SAVINGS.

SOME.

IT MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BASED ON THE VALUE.

I MEAN, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE VALUE AGAIN, POTTER COUNT. I MEAN SOME PEOPLE MAY SEE A TAX BENEFIT OUT OF THIS WHERE THEIR TAXES COULD BE LOWER. IT LOOKS IN RANDALL COUNTY WITH THE MEDIAN THAT COULD BE, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL BASED ON PROPERTY VALUE. SO SOME STILL MAY PAY MORE, BUT THEY WOULD NOT PAY AS MUCH AND YOU KNOW, FIVE OR TEN DOLLARS, I MEAN FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S HELPFUL. AND SO I JUST THINK AS MUCH AS WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WITHOUT HURTING OUR SERVICES IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO, I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

SO WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER LINE ITEM HERE. SO JUST IN GOING BACK ON THE POTENTIAL OF KEEPING THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY TAXES OF 60.5 MILLION, YOUR TOTAL BUDGET OF 271, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES EQUATE TO ROUGHLY 22% OF YOUR TOTAL REVENUES, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. I KNOW EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WE RUN THE CITY ON PROPERTY TAXES. WE DON'T. WE RUN MAYBE A COUPLE OF OUR REAL SIGNIFICANT DEPARTMENTS ON PROPERTY TAXES. EVERYTHING ELSE IS VOLATILE. IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO MARKET AND IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO SPEND. SO IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF YOUR PROJECTIONS, YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE, WHICH IS STILL AN ITEM I WANT TO GO BACK FOR. SO IN 2025 WE WEREN'T ABLE TO REALIZE THAT 6.6 IN THAT IT HAD TO COME INTO THIS 26 BUDGET. SO WE SHOULD FINISH THE YEAR 6.6 MILLION HIGHER. AND I KNOW YOU'RE FACTORING THAT INTO YOUR COST, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE ABOUT IT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROJECTED IN OUR 2027 BUDGET TO HAVE 6 MILLION IN INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE.

IF YOU CHANGE THAT ONE LINE ITEM TO PULL FORWARD THE AMOUNT, IF WE DON'T SPEND IT IN THIS CURRENT YEAR, THEN WE COULD SEE A BUMP OF 6.6. BUT THEN IF YOU FLIP THE PAGE AND YOU GO OVER TO YOUR NON BUSINESS LICENSE AND PERMITS, I MEAN WE'RE AT 6.1 MILLION IN 26 AND YOU'VE LOWERED THAT DOWN TO 5.2 IN THE BUDGET. SO LIKE THERE'S A MILLION DOLLAR DEDUCT RIGHT THERE FROM A FLAT. AND SO LIKE WE DON'T SEE BUSINESS SLOWING DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE ANOTHER MILLION THERE.

YOU'VE, YOU'VE TAKEN OPERATING TRANSFERS IN DOWN FROM 11.4 TO 5.4. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT OPERATING TRANSFERS IN IS.

THAT'S THOSE ONE TIME DOLLARS THAT WE GOT FROM INTEREST EARNINGS OR PEOPLE OR DEPARTMENTS BEING ABOVE THEIR RESERVES AND HAD SOME EXCESS.

WE'RE NOT SEEING AS MUCH OF THAT THIS YEAR.

SO INTEREST EARNINGS ARE, ARE THEY BROKEN OUT SEPARATE OR ARE THEY INCLUDED IN THAT? WELL, THEY'RE BROKEN OUT SEPARATE.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT, IT'S A TRANSFER BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND SO THE GENERAL FUND CAN SPEND IT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT $207 MILLION IN EXISTING CIPS.

WE'VE ADDED 100 MILLION IN 26.

A LOT OF THAT'S DEBT FUNDED AND RESTRICTED ON WHAT WE CAN USE INTEREST FOR.

OKAY. SO THAT INTEREST ISN'T CALCULATED.

IT WOULDN'T BE FOR GENERAL FUND PURPOSES.

IT'D HAVE TO BE RESTRICTED TO THOSE CIP PROJECTS.

SO IN THIS, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MENTION OUR SOLID WASTE FOR THE ADDITIONAL FEES THAT YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING, LIKE IT'S EASY TO LOOK THROUGH THERE AND FIND, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS IN THE WAY WE RUN THE CITY. SO LIKE, I JUST FIND IT DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $700,000.

AND, AND WE'VE JUST ARBITRARILY LOWERED OUR PROJECTIONS. A MILLION DOLLARS ON BUSINESS LICENSES AND FEES.

WELL, THEY'RE NOT ARBITRARY.

ARBITRARY, NOT ARBITRARY BECAUSE I, HOW DID WE LOWER IT? STAFF GO

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THROUGH THE MONTH TRENDS, THEY GO THROUGH THE LAST YEAR'S. THE REVISED ESTIMATES. I GO THROUGH. IN FACT, I MEAN, I KNOW JUSTIN CAN ATTEST TO THIS. I SENT HIM NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS QUESTIONS ON MANY OF THESE LINE ITEMS. CAUSE YOU'RE SEEING THE SUMMARIZED VERSION. THIS, YOU HAVE TO GO INTO HERE TO FIND ALL THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT ADD UP TO THAT NUMBER THERE. AND SO WHEN WE GO LINE BY LINE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS HERE, THIS IS THE NUMBER WE CAME UP WITH. AND SO THERE WERE A LOT THAT I QUESTIONED IN THAT THEY PROVIDED ME JUSTIFICATION.

SO, BUT AS A COUNCIL, I MEAN, THESE ARE BUDGETED NUMBERS.

AND SO IF YOU WISH TO JUST MAKE 5.2, 6.2, I, YOU CAN DO THAT. THAT, THAT WOULD BE ARBITRARY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA IN FRONT OF YOU. AND SO WE DID, WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU. THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR IT TO PUT IN THAT BUDGET LINE THERE.

WE'VE, WE'VE SCRUBBED AS FAR AS WE FEEL WE CAN SCRUB.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION ON THAT. LET ME RETRACT MY STATEMENT AND APOLOGIZE TO STAFF FOR THEIR WELL SPENT TIME OF THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATING THAT NUMBER. SO I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WORD ARBITRARY. I THINK ON PAPER HERE IT, IT LOOKS ATTAINABLE TO CONSIDER BUSINESS OVERALL IN THE CITY TO BE ON THE UPTREND.

SURE.

AND THIS IS A DOWNTREND. SO FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU GUYS HAVE ARRIVED AT THAT, WE, WE, WE AS COUNCIL JUST NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION. ARE WE COMFORTABLE CONSIDERING THIS AT NO NEW REVENUE RATE? I THINK A CONSIDERATION IS VALID, BUT NOT AN AFFIRMATION UNTIL WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE RELIEF, BUT WHILE SALES TAX IS UP AND WE'RE ENTERING A SEASON OF GROWTH IN THIS CITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE MOVE FORWARD. AND FOR SO MANY YEARS, WE'VE.

WE'VE BEEN BEHIND THE CURVE ON GETTING INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TAKEN CARE OF. FOR EXAMPLE, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN THIS CITY. AND WHILE WE HAVE THE HIGHER SALES TAXES, WE NEED TO INVEST IN OUR CITY FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 40 YEARS.

YEAH, I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS IMPORTANT.

AND TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, I WOULDN'T WANT.

I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST SAYING, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THAT RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE SEE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S THERE.

AND I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE NUMBERS TO PLAY THAT YOU CAN PLAY WITH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, RIGHT.

IT'S THE TAX RATE THAT'S PROPOSED.

THERE'S A NO, NO TO NO NEW REVENUE, AND THE CURRENT YEAR, BECAUSE YOU COULD STAY AT THE CURRENT YEAR. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

YEAH, A MIDDLE GROUND OPTION.

YES, YES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT JUST ALL OR 3.5%.

YOU CAN DO SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN ALL THAT, TOO.

YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE. I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN SIMPSON, YOU MADE THIS COMMENT, I DON'T KNOW, A FEW MEETINGS AGO, THAT THE CITIZENS WANT ALL THESE NICE THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THEM. RIGHT. SO I THINK THE.

THE GOAL OF THE BUDGET.

I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THAT.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU DID.

I DON'T. I DON'T. WELL, I.

IF THAT WASN'T YOU. THE STATEMENT WAS MADE.

ALL I'M SAYING IS, I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET, IS WE'VE GOT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. AND I THINK BEING CREATIVE AND TRYING TO FIND THE SOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND TO USE THEM TO OFFSET WHATEVER WE CAN OFFSET, I THINK WE OWE THAT TO THE CITIZENS.

BUT I THINK COMMITTING TO A TAX RATE RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WHAT, COUNCILOR REID. I THINK WHAT I WAS SAYING IS VERY VALID, AND I WANT TO RETRACT WHAT I SAID EARLIER.

IT'S GOOD TO DISCUSS IT RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU DON'T DECIDE RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO NOW IS MOVE INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL CIPS, SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. AND THEN IF YOU GUYS DECIDE, YOU KNOW, I NEED THAT $700,000 BECAUSE I WANT X, Y AND Z, THEN YOU DO.

BUT IF YOU THINK, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THESE. I'VE GOT WHAT I NEED HERE, WE CAN STILL, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT 700,000, THEN YOU CAN DECIDE THAT.

SO, SO YOU WANT DIRECTION ON LIKE, HOW TO PROCEED BASED ON WHAT, WHAT WE'RE FEELING NOW, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THAT LATER.

YOU CAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO.

YES. AND SO, YEAH, I THINK ANDREW'S GOT A LONG PRESENTATION TODAY TO GO OVER SOMETHING ELSE AND CIPS AND, AND YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES. AND, AND THEN FROM THERE, IF THE MATH WORKS OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE 700,000, THEN IT WORKS OUT.

BUT IF YOU DECIDE I'VE GOT TO HAVE THESE 30 THINGS AND THAT REQUIRES A 30 TO 700,000, THEN YOU CAN DECIDE AT THAT POINT. DOES THAT MAKE IT.

YEAH, YEAH, NO, I AGREE.

AND I THINK IT DOES COME DOWN TO PRIORITY. I MEAN, OF LIKE, WHAT IF IT COMES DOWN TO SERVICES OFFERED, QUALITY OF LIFE, WHATEVER, WE HAVE

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TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY I DON'T THINK TIGHTENING THE BELT A LITTLE BIT IS GOING TO SET US BACK DECADES ON INFRASTRUCTURE. ALL I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY OUR CITIZENS DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE NEED MORE MONEY. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL MY BOSS, NEED MORE MONEY. YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. I MEAN, WE CAN WE DETERMINE THE RATE.

IT'S IN OUR DETERMINATION TO DO THAT. AND I JUST HOPE AT THIS ONE TIME THAT WE CAN LOOK AND PROVIDE AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S AT A BUDGET AS LARGE AS WE ARE. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY FIGURED REVENUE.

BUT WHILE IT MAY NOT BE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR US, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, BEING ABLE TO SAVE PEOPLE MONEY WHERE WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THE SERVICES, I THINK IS VERY VALUABLE.

SO WHAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO Y' ALL TOMORROW IS MY STAFF RIGHT NOW ARE THINKING THROUGH, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE ONGOING BUDGET THAT'S ONE TIME THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ONE TIME MONEY. WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO Y' ALL TOMORROW.

OTHERWISE, FOR THE TIME BEING, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CONSIDER YOU HAVE ABOUT 7.2 TO WORK WITH BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE DOLLARS IN SALES TAX.

BUT I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW IS JUST. WE PUT THAT ASIDE BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE THAT MAYBE TOMORROW AND WE MOVE INTO SUB MILLS AND CIPS.

TO START WORKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND THEN GETTING SOME GUIDANCE ON WHERE THAT LANDS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY DRIVE THAT ANSWER OF 700,000. VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE OR NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

OKAY. AND JUST FOR MY BRAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECURRING FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR ALLOCATION. IF WE GO WITH THE 7.2, WHICH IS EXTRA MILLION THERE, WE'RE AT ABOUT 10.6. THAT, THAT, THAT COLUMN ADDED UP BETWEEN ALL FUNDS.

BETWEEN ALL FUNDS. 10.6. I ADDED IT UP, SO DON'T TELL YOU. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT COLA AND THE POLICE AND FIRE REQUESTS, 4.6 OF THAT WOULD BE EATEN UP IMMEDIATELY.

6.2.

WHAT'D YOU SAY? 6.2? 7.2.

IF YOU.

YEAH, LET'S SAY 7.

SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT IF YOU CONSIDER THE. AND THAT'S ONE THING, WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT. BUT IF WE WERE TO DO THE COLA FOR POLICE, FIRE AND CIVILIAN IN THE GENERAL FUND, YOU NEED ABOUT 4 AND SOME CHANGE TO DO THAT. 7.2. SUBTRACT THE 4 AND SOME. THAT'S YOUR DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU'RE CAPTURING PROPERTY TAX AND THE NEW 1 MILLION IN SALES TAX ESTIMATED. SO 7.2 WITH PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX. BECAUSE WE'VE ADJUSTED IT TODAY BASED ON YESTERDAY'S DATA, I THINK WE'RE JUMPING A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO.

OKAY, WELL, I JUST NEED MY BRAIN.

I NEED TO LOOK. I NEED I.

TO KEEP IT SIMPLE TO LOOK AT AND GO, OKAY, WHAT DO I.

UNTIL WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, UNTIL Y' ALL CHANGE THE RATE AND SAY DON'T RAISE IT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, IT'S 7.2.

OH, THIS CHANGE GOES FROM 7.

10.6 TO 7.2.

YEAH, YEAH.

6.2 TO 7.2 NOW.

OH, WAIT, THAT'S JUST, JUST GENERAL FUN. THE EXTRA MILLION.

BUT IF WE ADD ALL THESE UP, WE'RE AT 10.6, 10.65 FOR ALL THE FUNDS. ALL FUNDS WHICH WE'VE GOT CALCULATED EACH ONE OF THOSE FUNDS FOR 3% RAISES.

GOES INTO THAT NUMBER.

YES, 7.2.

OKAY, SO WE CAN ONLY PULL UP.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS.

YES, WE HAVE THAT FOR THE. THE RECURRING, BUT FOR GENERAL FUND, THE RAISES HAVE GOT TO COME OUT OF THE 7.2, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY, THANKS.

AND WHAT WE CAN BE DOING IS, IS WE CAN. LIKE WE DID IN PRIOR YEARS, WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE EXCEPTION.

EXCEL SHEET ON THE SIDE THAT WE CAN DO AGAIN, ASSUMING 7.2.

AND THEN IF YOU SAY COUNCIL SAYS WE WANT TO DO A COLA, SUBTRACT OUT THIS. NOW YOU GOT THIS BALANCE AND THEN NOW WE WANT TO ADD THIS AND LET'S SUBTRACT THAT SAME THING FOR WATER AND SEWER, SAME FOR AIRPORT. WE CAN DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO. AND YEAH.

SO WITH THIS ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE INTO SUBMITTALS AND CIP CONVERSATIONS? SO IS 947DO WE WANT TO GET STARTED? I KNOW COUNCILOR PRESCOTT HAS TO LEAVE AND SO DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WE CAN. WE CAN START WITH FOR THE NEXT 13 MINUTES.

LOWELL'S GOT THE KIND OF INTRODUCTORY SLIDES BEFORE WE GET INTO DETAIL.

SO I'LL THANK YOU. I'LL BE STARTING OFF WITH A BUDGET SUMMARY FOR 2026 2027.

DO WE HAVE THOSE? YES SIR.

AND IT'S SHOULD BE ORIGINAL SLIDES.

ORIGINAL SLIDES START ON SLIDE 38. SO THOSE.

SO OVER HERE WE HAVE SHOWN OUR VARIOUS FUNDS BUDGETS FOR 2026 AND 2027. SO THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET FOR FY2026 2027 IS $287.9 MILLION. WE WHICH REPRESENTS A 4.6 INCREASE FROM THE FY 20252026 GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET OF

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$275.2 MILLION. THE WARD AND SEWER OPERATING BUDGET FOR FY 2026-27 COMES UP AT $85.3 MILLION, WHICH IS 15% MORE THAN THE FY2526 BO BUDGET OF $74.1 MILLION. NEXT WE HAVE OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR 2627 WE'RE REQUESTING $165.8 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WHICH IS 52.3% HIGHER THAN THE CIP BUDGET FOR FY 2526, WHICH ROUNDED UP AT $108.9 MILLION.

OUR SPECIAL REVENUE OPERATING BUDGETS, IT'S SIMILAR BETWEEN THE TWO YEARS. FOR FY 2627 WE'RE REQUESTING $36.8 MILLION, WHICH IS 2.7% LOWER THAN THE LEVEL FOR FY 2526, WHICH WAS 37.9 MILLION. FOR OUR FLEET SERVICES OPERATING BUDGET, OUR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY26 27 IS $21.3 MILLION, WHICH IS 23.1% LOWER THAN THE FY25 26 BUDGET OF $27.7 MILLION. OUR OTHER BUDGETS INCLUDE THE IN TERMS OF OUR MAJOR BUDGETS, THE AIRPORT BUDGET, IT'S FOR FY26 27 WE ARE PROPOSING $17.5 MILLION, WHICH IS 7.4% LOWER THAN THE FY25 26 BUDGET OF $16.3 MILLION. ALSO DRAINAGE BUDGET IS $6.3 MILLION.

FOR FY26 IT'S BUDGET IS $11.3 MILLION FOR FY2627 AND OUR INTER FUND TRANSFERS FOR FY2627 COMES UP AT $149.9 MILLION COMPARED TO THE FY25 26 TRANSFERS OF $118.7 MILLION.

OUR TOTAL BUDGET FOR FY26 27 IS $616.2 MILLION, WHICH IS 10.6% HIGHER THAN THE FY25 26 BUDGET LEVEL OF $557 MILLION. WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED FEE CHANGES FOR FY2026 TO 27 AS STAFF WENT THROUGH OUR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND PUT IN CONSIDERATION SERVICE COST FEE INCREASES TO DELIVER OUR SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS. WE ALSO CONSIDERED OUR COST RECOVERY EXERCISE FROM THE PRE BUDGET WORKSHOP TO COME UP WITH THE PROPOSED FEE INCREASES FOR FY 2627. WE ARE PROPOSING A 3% INCREASE FOR OUR SOLID WASTE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RATES. AND WE PROPOSE THAT WE'LL GENERATE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUES FOR THE TWO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SECTORS IN OUR SOLID WASTE DIVISION.

WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING A 24.08% IN SOLID WASTE IN GENERAL TO DERIVE $1.2 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR OUR SOLID WASTE EFFORTS.

OTHER DIVISIONS HAVE SOME COST RECOVERY PROPOSED FEE INCREASES. WE HAVE THE CITY MARSHAL, ANIMAL MANAGEMENT, PLANNING, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, GOLF AS WELL AS OUR ATHLETICS DIVISION. AND THERE ARE VARIOUS INCREASES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR COST RECOVERY. WE HAVE COST RECOVERY REVENUES RANGING FROM $9,000 ALL THE WAY TO 357,343 FOR A GOLF DIVISION.

SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION HERE? WHEN YOU HAVE COST RECOVERY LISTED, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IS JUST PUSHING TOWARDS COST RECOVERY.

IT'S JUST NEW REVENUE COMING IN, JUST NEW REVENUE REVENUE BECAUSE OF OUR DIRECTION TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO WORK TOWARDS COST RECOVERY.

NOW ON THE FLIP SIDE, WHEN WE GET TO SUPPLEMENTALS, A LOT OF THOSE WITH COST RECOVERY ALSO SAID WE COULD USE THAT MONEY ON NEW THINGS IN OUR DEPARTMENT. SO IS IT REALLY COST RECOVERY? IS IT JUST NEW SERVICES? RIGHT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL TALK

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THROUGH THAT AS WELL.

WELL, I THINK IN THE OTHER WAY LOOKING AT IT IS IT'S SUBSIDIZING PROPERTY TAX. SO BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED OR PROPERTY TAX, IT JUST SUBSIDIZES THAT AMOUNT GOING THERE. SO AGAIN, IT'S ONE POOL OF FUNDS. SO WHILE I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TRACK IT DOLLAR TO DOLLAR, IT DOES IMPACT THE DEPARTMENT BY BRINGING IT INTO IT.

THAT'S A QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE WITH THE SOLID WASTE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL 3% INCREASE.

BUT WHAT'S THE. WHAT'S THE 24% INCREASE? THAT'S TIPPING? YEAH, IT'S FOR TIPPING FEES.

THE LANDFILL.

OKAY. AND SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE. AND, I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE AMOUNT, I GUESS.

AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A SIGNIFICANT RATE INCREASE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS FOR TIPPING FEES OF THE LANDFILL. THAT'S GENERALLY A PRETTY SMALL NUMBER. SO IT'S ABOUT A $10 INCREASE PER TON IN THE TIPPING FEE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME.

IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 24 OF YOUR BUDGET BOOK, YOU'LL GET THE BREAKDOWN OF THE VARIOUS LINE ITEMS. YEAH. AND THAT'S FOR ONGOING CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, IMPROVEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT OUT THERE.

BUT WE ALSO DID RATE CHECKS AROUND THE AREA, EXISTING LANDFILLS.

WHAT? THAT WAS NOT ONLY HERE, BUT ELSEWHERE. WE'RE ABOUT $10 LOWER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE IS, TOO.

AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID AN INCREASE ON THE TIPPING FEE? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. WE'VE DONE SOME MINIMAL INCREASES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN VERY SMALL.

YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR HERE, $50 THERE.

BUT WE'VE REALLY FALLEN BEHIND.

THERE'S OTHERS THAT HAVE RAISED IT FIVE, SIX DOLLARS PER TON EACH YEAR.

AND REASONS FOR DOING THAT IS REALLY JUST A COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR ONE. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE AS WELL.

OTHER PROPOSED FEE INCREASES.

WE HAVE A FIRE AS WELL AS OUR FIRE MARSHAL.

VARIOUS PROPOSED INCREASES FOR COST RECOVERY, $90,000 BETWEEN THE 2 DIVISIONS. WE ALSO PROPOSED 8% FOR WATER OPERATING TO DERIVE ABOUT $6 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE. AND WE'RE PROPOSING A 3% INCREASE FOR DEBT SERVICE FOR THE NEW TWDB LOAN WE OBTAINED, WHICH WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $2.6 MILLION TO SERVICE THE LOAN. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THE SAME RATES FOR SEWER. 8% FOR OPERATING AND 3% FOR DEBT FOR SEWER, AND WILL GENERATE 2.6 MILLION FOR OPERATING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND $1.1 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE FEES TO SERVICE THE TWDB DEBT FOR SEWER, WE ARE PROPOSING 3% IN DRAINAGE FOR OPERATING COSTS, WHICH WILL YIELD ABOUT $333,000 IN REVENUE. AND WE ARE PROPOSING 5% FOR DEBT SERVICE FOR DRAINAGE TO YIELD JUST UNDER $500,000. HERE WE SHOW OUR BUDGETED REVENUES FOR FY 2627. AND AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, OUR SALES TAX CONSTITUTES THE HIGHEST PORTION OF OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES AT 33.3%. NEXT IS THE PROPERTY TAX AS THE SECOND HIGHEST REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE CITY AT 22.7%. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PARTS OF REVENUE, SUCH AS THE GROSS RECEIPT FOR BUSINESS TAXES, SOLID WASTE, CITY FEES, HOTEL TAXES, MISCELLANEOUS AND ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGES, ET CETERA. HERE WE SHOW OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE CHANGES BETWEEN THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR 2526 AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2026. 2027. THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR 25, WE HAD 272. $2.2 MILLION IN OUR REVENUES. WE ARE PROPOSING A CHANGE OF $8.6 MILLION TO ARRIVE AT $280.8 MILLION FOR FY 2627. WE SHOW THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT CONSTITUTE THE $8.6 MILLION DIFFERENCE, WHICH RANGE FROM PROPERTY TAXES, SALES TAXES, SOLID WASTE FEES, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES AND OTHER CHANGES TO THE BUDGET.

AND NOTE, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION SALES TAX JUST YET.

SO CAN WE. CAN WE IDENTIFY THE DEDUCTION THERE? IT SAID MISCELLANEOUS GOVERNMENT REVENUES DEDUCTION OF 7.4 MILLION.

YES, WE CAN PROVIDE THE BREAKDOWN JUST. OR THE GENERAL ACCOUNT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS,

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JUSTIN? REALLY? I'D BE LOOKING FOR THE REASON THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE WHAT CHANGE.

A GOOD CHUNK WAS LOWERING.

OUR ESTIMATED STATE PARTICIPATION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAFER GRANT WAS 800,000 OF LOST REVENUE. THAT WAS THE MULTI YEAR GRANT WE RECEIVED FOR FIREFIGHTERS. SO THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES. IT LOOKS LIKE WE ALSO LOST ADDITIONAL TRANSIT OPERATION REVENUE LESS THAN WE HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS. ABOUT 187,000. THE PARTICIPATION REVENUE, WE DROPPED 500,000.

THAT'S THE FIREFIGHTER STATE ASSIGNMENTS. THE 823 PARTICIPATION REVENUE FROM OTHER AGENCIES. THAT'S A SAFER GRANT. AND THEN I'LL SEE IF JUSTIN HAS MORE TO ADD.

SO THESE ARE ALL GRANT REVENUES? YEAH.

IT'S EITHER OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES PAYING IT OR.

YEAH, WE'LL GET THE LIST AND GET IT TO YOU.

AND ALSO THE FLEET TRANSFER THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING FOR 2627.

SO WE HAD TO DEDUCT WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUS YEAR. SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TO TRANSFER IN THIS YEAR. SO IT'S ALSO DEPARTMENTAL TRANSFERS INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

ABOUT $5 MILLION.

OH.

HERE WE SHOW OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES BY OUR VARIOUS DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. THE HIGHEST EXPENDITURE FOR THE GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS IS.

IS FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DIVISION, WHICH CONSTITUTES 50% OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AT 10%. FOR LEISURE SERVICES, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION AT 9%.

SO WE HAVE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE OTHER GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING OUR GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS AT 9%.

HERE WE SHOW THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE CHANGES BETWEEN 2025, 2026 APPROVED BUDGET AND THE FY 2026. 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. AS OF THE 2025, 2026 APPROVED BUDGET, OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES SUMMED UP TO $275.2 MILLION. AND WE SHOW A CHANGE OF $12.7 MILLION TO ARRIVE AT THE $287.9 MILLION IN THE PROPOSED FY 20262027 BUDGET. SIGNIFICANT CHANGES INCLUDE OUR POLICE FIRESTEP REQUEST OF $1.1 MILLION RAISE AND COST OF LIVING OPTIONS AT 4.5 MILLION. WE HAVE THE FLEET AT 1.7 MILLION AND OTHER SOURCES INCLUDING IT, INSURANCE, LEASES, ETC.

SUMMING UP TO $5.4 MILLION.

AND THAT GIVES US THE $12.7 MILLION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FY 2526 BUDGET AND THE FY 2627 PROPOSED BUDGET.

QUICK QUESTION. SO FLEET IS ITS OWN FUND, RIGHT? YES, BUT IT'S INCLUDED.

BUT IT'S PAID BY CHARGES TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO WE HAVE TO BILL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO FUND FLEET. BASICALLY, RENTAL RATES, RENTAL CHARGES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. IT DOESN'T CREATE ANY OF ITS OWN REVENUE. IT BRINGS IN FROM OTHER THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

SO, EXAMPLE, YOUR TRASH TRUCKS THAT ARE IN GENERAL FUND, THEY PAY RENT TO YOUR FLEET DEPARTMENT.

RIGHT. BUT THAT EXPENDITURE IS PICKED UP IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

SO ARE WE PICKING IT UP AGAIN IN FLEET WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL COST TO RUN THE CITY? THIS IS ADDITIONAL CHARGES THAT ARE BEING PAID TO FLEET.

AND SO THIS IS A TOTAL OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE GENERAL FUND THAT ARE PAYING THOSE FEES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. FLEET COLLECTS THE REVENUE. SO THE GENERAL FUND THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS GET CHARGED THE EXPENDITURES, AND THEN EQUIPMENT COMES INTO FLEET AS REVENUE.

THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION.

THAT'S A REVENUE, BUT IT'S BEING LISTED HERE AS AN EXPENDITURE. SO, LIKE, I'M CURIOUS IF WE ARE CHARGING FOR THOSE SERVICES, WE'RE MOVING OUR REVENUES UP, WHICH IS GOOD. BUT THEN THOSE EXPENDITURES WOULDN'T COME IN ON THAT LINE ITEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY CALCULATED IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENT EXPENSE.

IT'S AN EXPENSE FOR THE GENERAL FUNDS OR REVENUE FOR THE FLEET, RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE JUST LISTING OUT THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES BROKEN DOWN AS 1.7 TOTAL THAT GOES TO FLEET ALL ACROSS ANY GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT? YES.

OKAY. AND A LOT OF IT WAS A COURSE CORRECTION OF THINGS WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO. AND WE'VE RUN REVISED ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE OWE ON THE LEASE PAYMENTS. SO NOT

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THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE ADDING NEW FLEET IN THE TUNE OF 1.7 MILLION.

IT'S MAKING SURE WE'RE PAYING OUR BILLS WITH WHAT WE'VE PURCHASED SO FAR.

FOR THE MOST PART, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

HEY, JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION.

WHEN WE LOOK AT GENERAL FUND REVENUE CHANGES, YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE OF OUR TOTAL OF 280.8 MILLION. LOOKING AT FUND EXPENSES. WHAT? OH, FUND EXPENSES. WE'RE LOOKING AT 287.9. SO WE'RE 7 MILLION MORE ON EXPENSES THAN WE ARE REVENUE. WHAT ARE WE? I MEAN, LET'S JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE.

WHAT THAT'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT? WELL THAT GOES BACK TO YOUR AVAILABLE CASH, THOSE RESOURCES THERE TO HELP HELP MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE.

FOR THOSE KIND OF EXPENSES, PARTICULARLY ONE TIME CAPITAL, YOU WON'T HAVE TO HAVE A EQUAL AMOUNT AN ONGOING REVENUE FOR THAT. YEAH, THIS IS JUST YOUR, THIS IS JUST YOUR ONGOING REVENUE EXPENSES THERE.

RIGHT? OKAY, BUT WE'RE 7 MILLION SHORT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THIS.

WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE THAT OTHER TO COME, MAKE THAT UP THE CASH FLOW SHEET.

AVAILABLE CASH AS RESOURCES.

YES. OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO HERE WE SHOW OUR TOTAL DEBT BY FUNDING SOURCE. OUR HIGHEST LEVEL OF DEBT IS FOR OUR WARD AND SEWER REVENUE DEBT AT 44.8% OF OUR TOTAL DEBT.

AND THAT'S $234.6 MILLION IN WATER AND SEWER DEBT. THE NEXT HIGHEST SOURCE OF DEBT IS OUR PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT. AND THAT SITS AT $179.6 MILLION OR 27.8% OF DEBT SOURCES. SO WE HAVE OTHER DEBTS ILLUSTRATED. WE HAVE DRAINAGE REVENUE FLEET SERVICES, SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ASSESSMENTS, HOT TAX SUPPORTED DEBTS AND OTHER DEBT SOURCES.

OVER HERE WE SHOW OUR PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED DEBT. AGAIN THIS NUMBER IS $179.6 MILLION. AND WE SHOW THIS ACROSS THE DIFFERENT GENERAL OBLIGATIONS CEO SERIES THROUGH THE YEARS AS WELL AS OUR PPFCOS. SO WE SEE THE BREAKDOWN BY YEAR AND TYPE OF DEBT THAT IS PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED.

HERE WE SHOW OUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE AND FOR BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 25 AND FISCAL YEAR 2627 OUR DEBT SERVICE WENT UP FROM 10.7% AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET TO 10.8% IN 2627.

OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRANSITION NOW. NOW THAT YOU HAVE WHAT YOUR CURRENT AVAILABLE TO ALLOCATE IS, THIS IS WHERE WE MOVE INTO WHAT THE REQUESTS ARE AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. THIS IS WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU TUESDAY IN PRINTOUTS, EMAILED TO YOU ON FRIDAY TO START DOING SOME HOMEWORK, SEEING WHAT YOU WANT YOUR PRIORITIES TO BE. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 157 REQUESTS AND 19.8 MILLION JUST FOR THE GENERAL FUND. SO THIS, THIS TIME AROUND COMPARED TO PREVIOUS BUDGET YEARS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A FEW CYCLES. WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW IT ALL THIS TIME.

USUALLY WE WOULD COME FORWARD WITH A MUCH SMALLER LIST BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S NOT 19 MILLION TO GO AROUND. SO WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF GONE THROUGH SOME THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW WEED REDUCES DOWN TO IMMEDIATE NEEDS. SOME ARE THE EASY ONES WE KNOW, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, GENERAL FUND NEEDS TO START PAYING FOR THEIR SHARE OF WORKDAY SOFTWARE. THAT'S ABOUT 600,000. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE FOR THAT. IT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR. IT'S OUR FINANCIAL SOFTWARE. WE JUST HAVE THE ONGOING EXPENSE WE NOW HAVE TO BUILD IN ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE.

BUT A LOT OF THESE REQUESTS ARE GOING TO BE SUMMER CAPITAL OUTLAY.

IT'S A NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DRONES FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.

JUST SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES.

BUT THIS IS JUST THE GENERAL FUND PIECE.

AND THIS IS OUTSIDE THE BUDGET.

IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THIS.

IT IS NOT BAKED IN YET.

THIS HAS TO COME OUT OF THE 7.2 MILLION. SO THIS CURRENTLY SAYS 6.2. ADD A MILLION TO IT BECAUSE THE INCREASED SALES TAX.

THAT'S BEFORE CONSIDERING RAISES.

YES, EXACTLY. YEAH, THAT 7.2 HAS TO GO TOWARD 19 MILLION HERE AND 4 PLUS MILLION ON THE RACE SIDE. AS FAR AS THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE'VE GOT SIX REQUESTS FOR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX PROJECTS FOR THE CIVIC CENTER, AROUND 140,000. MUNICIPAL COURT, COURT TECHNOLOGY FUND, 100,000. CORE SECURITY 15, PUBLIC HEALTH 8, AND THEN AIRPORT, 433,000 WORTH OF ONGOING RECURRING SUPPLEMENTAL TYPE REQUESTS. THEY HAVE 620,000. SO THEY'RE.

ACTUALLY, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF MOST OF THOSE. WHAT WE'LL SHOW YOU.

WE'VE GOT THE BREAKDOWN OUT OF THAT 620,000. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ANY RAISE THAT MIGHT BE APPROVED ACROSS THE BOARD. BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT GENERAL FUND IS. WE

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HAVE TO DIVVY IT UP AGAINST ALL THE OTHER FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GENERAL FUND PAYING FOR THEIRS. IT FUND, 668,000.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE ONLY GOT THE 135, WHICH. THAT IS THEIR EXACT NEED FOR A 3% RAISE. SO FOR IT IN PARTICULAR, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS.

THEY SERVE EVERYBODY. PUBLIC SAFETY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT, YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE TO USE YOUR GENERAL FUND ALLOCATION TRANSFERRED OVER TO IT TO COVER THOSE NEEDS. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THEIR REQUESTS. WATER AND SEWER, ABOUT 4.3 MILLION.

THEY HAD 2.5 MILLION AVAILABLE TO GO TOWARD 92 DIFFERENT REQUESTS IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

DRAINAGE, JUST ONE REQUEST.

SO IN CONSIDERING ALL THIS, THESE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR WATER AND SEWER.

SO THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO PICK ON.

WE'VE GOT OUR BUDGET, WHICH IS AN ENTERPRISE. TOTAL REVENUES, TOTAL EXPENDITURES.

YOU WOULD INCREASE THOSE EXPENDITURES BY 4.3 MILLION IF YOU, IF YOU FULFILLED ALL THESE REQUESTS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR. WE'VE GOT CAPACITY FOR 2.5 AND WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR THAT 4.3 MILLION BECAUSE WE DO WORK FROM THE DEPRECIATION OF THE 17 MILLION THAT IS ON THAT NET STARTING POSITION.

RIGHT. SO WE, WE DO TAKE THAT 17 MILLION CASH AWAY BEFORE WE CALCULATE THIS REQUEST. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT COMPARING THAT 4.3 MILLION TO LIKE. NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S AFTER WE'VE, AFTER EVERYTHING PLUGGED THE DEPRECIATION IN. YOU'VE ALREADY REMOVED THAT.

ALREADY REMOVED OUT. NON CASH HAS REMOVED OUT. THIS IS JUST CASH NEEDED TO CONTINUE OPERATING. AND A LOT OF THEIR REQUESTS ARE LITTLE LINE ITEM SUPPLIES HERE, DIFFERENT PURCHASES HERE THAT THEY'VE JUST SEEN INCREASED COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD TO RUN THOSE PLANTS.

SO IN A DISAGREEMENT OF HOW WE FINISH THE YEAR AT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHAT'S CASH AND WHAT'S NOT, WE, WE'VE NEVER SAID WHAT WE DO WITH THAT $17 MILLION WORTH OF DEPRECIATION. RIGHT. WE TAKE IT OFF THE PAGE.

WE DO NOTHING WITH IT. WE JUST TRACK IT.

IT JUST SITS IN THE ACCOUNT.

IT'S JUST A NUMBER WE HAVE TO TRACK AS A VALUE.

IT'S NOT IN AN ACCOUNT.

IT'S NOT REAL, IT'S NOT A CASH VALUE.

OKAY, SO THERE IS NO DEDUCTION.

THEN WE SPEND CASH.

IN ONE YEAR, YOU SPENT 10 MILLION. THAT'S YOUR VALUE.

AND THEN YOU JUST PENCIL IT OUT THE.

ALL THAT CASH FLOW. SHE IS SAYING WE, WE WRITE THESE TERMS AS LESS DEPRECIATION. ALL THAT IT'S DOING IS TELLING PEOPLE THAT DEPRECIATION IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS IS JUST YOUR EXPENSES. DEPRECIATION IS NOT A NUMBER WE CALCULATE IN THIS PROCESS. SO, SO FOR, FOR AN ACCOUNTANT LOOKING THAT, LOOKING AT CASH FLOW, THEY'RE GOING TO. OKAY, GOOD.

THIS NUMBER DOES NOT DESIGN DEPRECIATION. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.

CAN WE GO BACK? NOT RIGHT NOW.

SO IT.

WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE THROUGH THIS. BUT, BUT WHEN WE GET TO LIKE WATER AND SEWER AND BEING ABLE TO FULFILL THESE REQUESTS, CAN WE GO BACK AND DO A CASH FLOW STATEMENT SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THAT AGAIN? BECAUSE ALL THEY'VE HEARD ME SAY IS, IS LIKE, WELL, THE CASH FLOW DOESN'T AGREE TO THE ACTFIR. AND SO THE ACTFIR SHOWS THAT THERE'S MORE MONEY SITTING IN THAT ACCOUNT. AND THEN. AND SO, LIKE, I WANT TO BRING GREATER CLARITY TO THAT. SO CAN WE RUN AN ACTUAL CASH STATEMENT FOR LAST YEAR, THE FY25, SINCE WE HAVE IT IN THE ACTFIR AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PROJECT THIS ONE, OR CAN WE RUN AN ACTUAL CASH STATEMENT THIS YEAR TO A POINT IN TIME AND THEN SHOW LIKE THESE ARE THE BALANCES? BECAUSE THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CLEAR.

YEAH, LET US REGROUP ON THAT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO. OKAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

NO MODIFIED ACCRUAL, NONE OF THAT STUFF. JUST AN ACTUAL CASH. IF WE RUN A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS CASH THROUGH THAT ENTERPRISE, HOW MUCH WAS THE TOTAL LABOR? TOTAL MATERIAL CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S THE NET AMOUNT LEFT AT THE END OF THAT YEAR SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THESE EMPLOYEES.

THAT IS THE CASH FLOW.

YEAH, I'M THINKING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, BUT WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU A GOOD ANSWER.

I WILL GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND TOPIC. SO THAT 7.2 MILLION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS THAT COST RECOVERY.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH YOUR SPREADSHEET, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE REQUESTS AND SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE PUTTING IN OFFSETTING REVENUE. IF THOSE ARE APPROVED, IT'S TAKING OUT OF THAT MONEY AS WELL. AND THEY BASICALLY HAVE CREATED PLANS OF IF GOLF BRINGS IN NEW REVENUE. WELL, WE WANT TO SPEND IT ON XYZ, SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO JUST. IT'S A NET WASH BECAUSE THE GOLF OPERATING BUDGET IS PENNY PAYING FOR THIS, SO THE EXPENSE SHOULD STAY THERE. IT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION. BUT THE WAY WE PACKAGE IT IS EVERYBODY SUPPORTING THE GENERAL FUND.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEND IT ALL ON RAISES, WE BASICALLY HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO.

TO DO THAT.

SO JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT SPREADSHEET.

SO WILL THESE BE BROKEN DOWN IN ANY WAY? I MEAN, IT'S EASIER TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FROM MY. MY HANDOUT ON TUESDAY.

SO THAT WE SO HOPEFULLY PRIORITIZED OR.

IT'S A VERY.

OR THIS.

SO REALLY PROBABLY JUST BASED ON TIMING. AND NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL Y' ALL TODAY.

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PROBABLY HOMEWORK IS TO READ THIS TONIGHT, COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE. BUT WE ALSO.

WE'LL GET TO IT IN A SECOND.

IS ONCE YOU TELL US WHICH PRIORITY ON PERSONNEL, THE PIE GETS SMALLER. LESS TO PRIORITIZE. ONCE YOU FOCUS IN YOU CAN ONLY SPREAD IT AROUND SO MUCH.

ONE THING WE MIGHT THROW IN THERE, TOO.

YEP.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR OR DURING THIS YEAR WHERE COUNCIL HAS TOLD US WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS NEED TO OPERATE. WHAT DO YOU NEED? AND PARKS WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THAT IN CONVERSATIONS WE HAD.

WELL, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T KNOW. SO A LOT OF THOSE REQUESTS THAT ARE IN SUPPLEMENTALS ARE BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

YEAH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T HOLDING BACK THIS YEAR AS FAR AS THIS IS THEIR TRUE NEED OF REQUESTS, KNOWING YOU CAN'T FUND ALL THESE. BUT IN THE PAST, WE WOULD NOT SHOW THIS TO YOU.

LET ME PAUSE HERE REAL QUICK AND JUST CHECK WITH CITY SECRETARY. DID YOU GET COUNCILMAN LOGGED IN AND UPLOADED? WE WILL NEED TO TAKE A BREAK TO GET HIM CONNECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT HIM ON THE SCREEN AND EVERYTHING.

YOU'RE DOING AN OVERVIEW, RIGHT? THIS IS HIGH LEVEL.

AND THEN I SAW YOU GO BACK TO KIND OF GENERAL FUNDS. SO IS THAT A GOOD STOPPING POINT OR DO YOU HAVE A FEW THINGS YOU NEED TO COVER BEFORE WE DO THAT? YEAH.

OKAY. IF WE COULD, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS, COME BACK. THAT WAY WE CAN GET PRESCOTT BACK IN. THANK YOU.

WELL, I'LL JUST PRETEND WE CAN READ IT. THANKS, EBONY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. SO JUST TO KIND OF RECAP WHERE WE LEFT OFF, WE'RE GOING OVER THE SUMMARIES OF THE DEPARTMENTAL SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS. THIS WAS THE GENERAL FUND. 150 SOMETHING. SEVEN TOTAL REQUESTS. 19 MILLION.

ARE ANY OF THESE FOR PERSONNEL? AS FAR AS REQUESTS, YES.

SOME COULD BE FOR PERSONNEL.

OKAY. YEAH, THEY COULD BE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS FOR SOFTWARE SUPPLIES, NEW ADDITIONS TO STAFF. IS THERE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THESE ARE? THAT'S IN YOUR OTHER HANDOUT FROM TUESDAY. SO THEY TALLY UP TO THIS ONE.

IT'S ABOUT TO GET US STARTED.

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TO GET US STARTED ON THE RIGHT FOOT. DO THESE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS ACKNOWLEDGE BUDGET AMENDMENTS OR DO THESE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS GO BACK TO THEIR PREVIOUS BUDGET? YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS BUDGET.

YEAH, SO. SO SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN. SO, LIKE, IF I'M LOOKING AT A LARGE ONE HERE, YOU KNOW, SAY APD 5 MILLION. WE'VE.

WE'VE DONE A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT COVERED THAT COST IN ONE YEAR.

NOT MOVING FORWARD. YOU HAVE TO.

RIGHT, UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD. BUT LIKE IN.

IN THAT THEY'RE GOING BACK.

THAT'S NOT. THIS IS NOT A REQUEST OF 5 MILLION OVER THE AMENDED BUDGET. IT'S THE PREVIOUSLY BASE BUDGET.

OKAY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU SO WE HAD THE WENT THROUGH THE HOT TAX MUNICIPAL COURT IT.

ON THIS ONE. JUST A QUICK CORRECTION, THE DRAINAGE ONE, THE 1,000,059 THAT'S ACTUALLY FLEET RELATED TO THAT LANDFILL TIPPING FEE IS WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT NUMBER IS FOR. WE HAD A TYPO ON THAT ONE AND THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY. THIS IS THE FEE INCREASE TIPPING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WILL BRING IN A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS DEDICATED TO SOLID WASTE LANDFILL PURCHASES. SO THAT COMPLETED THE RECURRING SUPPLEMENTAL OVERVIEW. THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES GO OVER THE DEPARTMENT CIP REQUEST. SO THIS IS BASED ON THE 11.9 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 51 REQUESTS TOTALING A CASH AMOUNT OF 73 MILLION. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, WHEREVER WE ARE PROPOSING DEBT FUNDED PURCHASES, THOSE ARE SHOWING UP IN THAT COLUMN THERE WHICH I WILL COVER FOR YOU. SO WE'RE SHOWING 48 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE 6.2 IS A CONTINUATION OF THE FIRE TRUCK ROTATING PURCHASES OVER A 13 YEAR CYCLE. SO CONTINUING THAT PLAN. THE 42.5 IS RELATED TO STREETS. ONE OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS WILL NEED FEEDBACK WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THAT DISCUSSION. WE HAVE ANNUAL ARTERIAL RECONSTRUCTION AT 30 MILLION AND VARIOUS STREET RESURFACES 12.5. SO WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE INCREASES ON THE ANNUAL AND ARTERIAL SIDE WE HAVE OSAGE AND CR COULTER REACHING THE POINT DESIGN THAT BASICALLY BOTH ARE READY AT THIS POINT. SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND DEBT FUND THOSE KNOWING THE PAYMENT'S GOING TO BE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ABSORB DEBT ROLLING OFF. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO INCREASE TAX RATE JUST FOR WHAT YOU'RE USUALLY RAISING.

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AND THEN THE EXTRA COULD COVER THAT NEW ARTERIAL THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY IN THE ROLLING CYCLE OF ANNUAL DEBT FUNDING. AND THEN YOU MOVE ON DOWN TO SOLID WASTE. THERE ARE FOUR REQUESTS FOR 3,055,000. THEY BASICALLY HAVE ENOUGH TO FUND ALL THEIR REQUESTS UNDER THAT CATEGORY UTILITIES, WATER AND SEWER FUND APPROXIMATELY 13 MILLION. WE WERE HOPING WE'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THAT. WE'VE BEEN GROWING OUR RATES AND USING IT FOR ONE TIME CAPITAL UNTIL WE NEED IT FOR EITHER DEBT SERVICE FOR THE WASTEWATER PLANT OR OTHER OPERATIONAL NEEDS. WELL, BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION WITH CRIMWALL ENTERING INTO THE MOU WE HAVE STARTED FUNDING MORE TOWARD CRIMINAL WHICH EATS SOME OF THAT CAPACITY OF THE THE RATE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE SEEN, I THINK THE NEW ANNUAL IMPACTS ABOUT $5 MILLION. AROUND 5 MILLION THAT WE NOW HAVE TO PAY CRIMWALL FOR THEIR FUTURE PLANNING FOR CRIMWALL TOO. AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE 60 MILLION DEBT AMOUNT THAT IS A TWDB LOAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. NOW WE HAVE TO ISSUE THE DEBT AND START MAKING PAYMENTS ON THAT PIECE. DRAINAGE HAS THREE REQUESTS. THEY HAVE 800,000. BASICALLY SETTING THAT ONE UP AS AN ENI ACCOUNT AND THEN COME BACK WITH PROJECTS.

THAT IS ALSO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

IN THE WATER AND SEWER WITH THE 13 MILLION. SIMILAR TO HOW WE STRUCTURED IT THIS YEAR.

IT WAS WATER AND WASTEWATER.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS JUST TO MAKE IT A UTILITIES ENI.

AND WE BRING FORWARD THE PROJECTS WITH THE LATEST SAYING THEY EITHER NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR IMPROVED AS THEY CONTINUE TO TRY AND OPERATE THE PLANTS WHILE WE'RE FIXING THOSE.

ANDREW, IF I CAN. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER PRESCOTT HAS A QUESTION.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

DAVID, DID YOU HAVE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

WE CAN.

I THINK YOU JUST MUTED YOURSELF AGAIN. HE APPEARS TO HAVE FROZEN UP.

MAYOR I THINK WE'LL. IF I RECOMMEND WE JUST KEEP GOING AND WE CAN TRY TO GET HIM BACK. AND HE LOOKS LIKE WE'VE. HE MUST HAVE HIT A DEAD SPOT OR SOMETHING.

SO THOUGH.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO FLEET SERVICES. BASICALLY IT'S JUST A ONE REQUEST EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DEBT.

BUT THIS IS FUNDED BY OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE TO COVER. THAT'S OUR CAPACITY OF WHAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE PAYING INTO FLEET. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION OF DEBT FOR IT.

WHICH DONNIE DOES HAVE A LIST OF THOSE PROJECTS IF YOU WANT.

WANT TO HEAR WHICH VEHICLES WE'D BE REPLACING.

BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT LATER.

YEAH. Y' ALL HAD ASKED THAT.

YES. OR ON TUESDAY. SO WE DO HAVE A LIST READY FOR YOU.

WE CAN BRING A PRINT OUT TOMORROW AS FAR AS CIVIC CENTER ON THE NEXT SLIDE THERE WE'VE GOT SIX REQUESTS TOTALING 1.3. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME CAPACITY UP TO 1.9. SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH CHRISTOPHER, SEE WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO WITH THOSE FUNDS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CIVIC CENTER AND THEN THE AIRPORT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OLDER NUMBER ON HERE. THEIR NEW REQUESTS WILL GET YOU COPIES OF THIS. WE'RE TOTALING UP TO 5.2 MILLION IN REQUESTS UNDER REVIEW FOR AIRPORT. AND THEY'VE GOT 5.7 CAPACITY. SO WE'RE STILL FINE TUNING THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL. AND THEN JUST A SNAPSHOT AD ON THIS SLIDE JUST SO YOU'D HAVE IT HANDY.

THESE ARE THE DEBT THAT IS ROLLING OFF. WE'LL HAVE OUR LAST PAYMENT IN THIS BUDGET AND CAPACITY AVAILABLE THE FOLLOWING BUDGET. IF Y' ALL WERE TO APPROVE PROJECTS IN 26, 27 BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T PAY IT TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO YOU HAVE THAT GEO SERIES 2017, TAX NOTE SERIES 20, 2020 AND TAX NOTE SERIES 2022. AND THEN ON THE TAX NOTE 2022 THAT WAS ACTUALLY CITY HALL. SO HALF THE PAYMENT WAS COMING FROM UTILITY RATE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 2.5 MILLION IN CAPACITY ON THE UTILITY RATE SIDE FOR FUTURE FUTURE DEBT NEEDS.

SO THAT PORTION COULD GO TO FUND A PORTION

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OF THE DWDB LOAN PAYMENT. AND THEN HERE IS THE RAISED COST OF LIVING GENERAL FUND ONLY SCENARIOS. SO WE'VE GOT 3%, 2% AND 1% CALCULATIONS. THAT 3% WE'VE TOUCHED ON ALREADY WOULD BE 4.6 MILLION IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND.

THE 2% WOULD BE 3.1 MILLION AND 1% WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION. AGAIN THIS HAS TO COME OUT OF THE 7.2 MILLION THAT'S AVAILABLE.

AND AT THE BOTTOM I'VE GOT SOME NEW NUMBERS FOR YOU. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS 3.4 MILLION FOR THE COMPENSATION STUDY.

THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD ALL FUNDS.

WHAT THE GENERAL FUND IMPACT WOULD BE WOULD BE 1.9 MILLION.

AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE APPROACH FOR THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE 445,000. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL. I LOST MY CLICKER.

STEPHANIE.

AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT THE ORIGINAL MEET AND CONFER REQUESTS ARE. WE HAD POLICE RAISES 3% ACROSS ALL RANKS.

AND THEN FIRE RAISES WERE 10 TO 22% DEPENDING ON THE RANK FOR A TOTAL OF 7.4 MILLION.

THEY ALSO REQUESTED SOME RECLASSES OR STEP ADJUSTMENTS.

POLICE WERE REQUESTING THE OFFICER RANK. INSTEAD OF BEING FIVE STEPS, IT WOULD GO UP TO 10 STEPS.

THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 630,000 A YEAR.

FOR FIRST YEAR IMPACT. FIERY CLASS WOULD BE SIX DRIVERS AND SIX LIEUTENANTS. BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN HAVING A HISTORICAL PATTERN OF OUTER CLASS BUMP UP PAYMENTS AND THEY BELIEVE THIS NUMBER WOULD KIND OF RIGHT SIZE THE RANKS TO LIMIT SOME OF THAT OUT OF CLASS PAY SITUATION. SO A TOTAL OF 1 MILLION. KEEPING MIND ONCE YOU ADD MORE STEPS, THAT'S AN ONGOING ANNUAL THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD IN. JUST LIKE THIS YEAR WE HAVE 1.1 MILLION. WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO BUILD IN FOUR REQUIRED POLICE AND FIRE STEPS MOVING INTO THAT NEXT CLASSIFICATION.

AND THEN WE HAD CERTIFICATE TYPE PAY. THIS IS YOUR CERTIFICATION PAY. THIS IS IF YOU'VE GOT A BACHELOR'S OR MASTER'S DEGREE. SO ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE BETWEEN THE TWO APARTMENTS WILL BE 605,000.

THE COMBINED TOTAL REQUEST BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE FOR ME AND CONFER IS 9.1 MILLION. SO THE LAST SLIDE I'LL COVER AND THEN WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK ON PERSONNEL. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR STARTING POINT BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT WE COULD STILL BRING BACK AS FAR AS AS FOCUS AREAS FOR REMAINING SUPPLEMENTALS.

TALKING THROUGH FUTURE BUDGET PRIORITIES, JUST FORECASTING WHAT COMES NEXT AFTER THIS YEAR, STILL DEALING WITH AGING CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, STREETS, WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE AND OTHER CITY FACILITIES IS STILL GOING TO BE FRONT OF MIND. PLAN FOR EXPANSION OF CITY SERVICES TO ADDRESS GROWTH AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE CONTINUE TO ANNEX NEW AREAS. IS THAT GOING TO REQUIRE A NEW FIRE STATION, MULTIPLE FIRE STATIONS? BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE GAPS IN OUR COVERAGE NOW BEFORE EVEN ADDING ADDITIONAL ACREAGE, ADDING NEW POLICE STAFF. I THINK OUR CURRENT NUMBERS SAY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WE NEED TO ADD SOMEWHERE IN THE 40 OFFICER RANGE TO REALLY HAVE ACCEPTABLE COVERAGE ACROSS THE CITY AND TIME FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING STAFFING, RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ACROSS THE BOARD AND ALL DEPARTMENT CITYWIDE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND TRYING TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE. AND THEN THAT LAST ONE, DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT NOW BUT PART OF WHY WE BROUGHT OUR FULL LIST OF REQUESTS OF SUPPLEMENTAL CIP SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THINGS ARE HEADING IS CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION OF WHEN DO WE GET TO THE POINT OF HAVING TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO REQUEST ABOVE 3.5% KNOWING IF WE HAVE TO ADD 15 OFFICERS IN AN UPCOMING BUDGET THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WAY TO ABSORB THAT WITH NEW REVENUE. SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL COME TO THE POINT WE'RE GOING TO NEED DIRECTION OF HOW WE BUILD THAT OUT AND PLAN FOR THAT KNOWING IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE. YOU HAVE TO BUMP UP YOUR BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CALL AN ELECTION IN EARLY AUGUST. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU TODAY OR TOMORROW OR IN THE FUTURE. SO WITH THAT SAID THAT REALLY WRAPS UP THE SLIDESHOW AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND COST OF LIVING SCENARIO AND DISCUSS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON PERSONNEL.

SO WITH THIS YEAH COUNCIL WE WOULD. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT AGAIN HAVING TALKED TO YOU ALL LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THE PRE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND EVERYTHING, I THINK GIVEN YOUR LARGEST EXPENSE OF THE CITY AS PERSONNEL, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WHERE WE START FIRST. FIRST AND DECIDE ARE WE ARE WE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT COLAS CIVILIAN POLICE, FIRE, 01, 2, 3. SO WE GOT SEVERAL SCENARIOS THERE ON THAT SLIDE 53 THERE TO LOOK AT. SO I RECOMMEND WE START THERE AND

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THEN THAT WILL THEN IMPACT YOUR REMAINING AVAILABLE BALANCES AND ALL THE FUNDS. I MEAN WHETHER. BECAUSE AGAIN IF YOU GIVE, IF YOU WERE TO GIVE LET'S SAY A COLA TO THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES THAT THAT WOULD ALSO IMPACT UTILITY FUND IT WOULD IMPACT AIRPORT FUND, IMPACT THE OTHER FUNDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES IN THOSE FUNDS. SO THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND WE START TODAY. SO IS THERE ANY. WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE WHEN IT COMES TO COLAS FOR THE EMPLOYEES? I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING GOOD PROGRESS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, ESPECIALLY ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE SIDE.

OUR NON SWORN CIVILIAN PERSONNEL.

I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

NOT ONLY POLICE AND FIRE AT THIS TIME. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING. THAT'S A, THAT'S THE HEARTBEAT OF OUR CITY IS OUR EMPLOYEES.

SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT AREA AND THE BETTER WE CAN DO FOR THEM, THE BETTER IT IS FOR THE CITY.

I WOULD SECOND THAT AS WELL.

YEAH, I AGREE.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.

BUT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT COLA, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TO A MERIT BASED SYSTEM, CORRECT? WE CAN DO EITHER. SO. SO WE CAN DO EITHER.

WELL, I MEAN I WOULD SAY THAT WE JUST CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH. I THINK WE DID THAT LAST YEAR. WE SET THE EVALS UP AND EVERYTHING'S DONE. I THINK THAT AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE, I JUST DON'T THINK A COLA ACROSS THE BOARD IS GREAT. I THINK IT DISENFRANCHISES YOUR HARDER WORKING INDIVIDUALS THAT SHOULD PROBABLY SEE A GREATER RAISE AND THEN THOSE THAT ARE NOT MAYBE MEETING EXPECTATIONS MAYBE DON'T SEE A RAISE.

I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE 3% COLA AND DO ANOTHER BUCKET FOR HIGH PERFORMERS. IF YOU STILL WANT TO DO MARRIAGE. IT JUST BECAUSE 3% IS, IT'S REALLY NOT.

WELL, I GET IT.

BUT IF WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NOT. WE'RE JUST. TO ME YOU'RE JUST ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY. YOU'RE ACCEPTING MAYBE NOT EVEN MEDIOCRITY, YOU'RE ACCEPTING. I MEAN, AND I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT I MEAN BECAUSE EVERYBODY OUT THERE IS GREAT, BUT I MEAN YOU KNOW, WE ALL HEAR THE THINGS OF LIKE A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE AND THAT TYPE OF DEAL AND AGAIN I'M SORRY, OPEN TO EVERYBODY UP HERE WHAT THEIR OPINION IS. I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU CAN REWARD THOSE HIGHER PERFORMING INDIVIDUALS, IT MAKES SENSE AND IT INSULATES THEM FROM BEING PICKED FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR IF THEY'RE LIKE, WELL I CAN, I CAN LEAVE THE CITY AND GO GET, MAKE MORE MONEY AND THEN THEY'RE REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES SO THEY LEAVE. SO I THINK THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE REWARDED MORE. BUT I THINK THOSE THAT PROBABLY NEED IMPROVEMENT, I MEAN I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT IN THE DAILY OPERATIONS. SO YOU KNOW, I'M COMING FROM A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL VIEW.

SO I MAY BE WRONG. BUT THOSE THAT ARE NOT MAYBE MEETING EXPECTATIONS, I WOULD LIKE THAT THEY GET A MESSAGE OF LIKE, WE DON'T. YOU'RE NOT GETTING A RAISE.

YOU KNOW, AND I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE. THE WORK THAT MR. NORMAN HAS BEEN DOING IN HR, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS NOW. WE DO ANNUAL EVALUATIONS AND EMPLOYEES ARE RATED EXCELLENT.

OKAY, WHATEVER. BUT ALSO THOSE WHO ARE UNDERPERFORMING, THEY GO THROUGH A.

THROUGH A PROCESS. IT'S A PIT PROCESS. AND SO. AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE GIVEN A CHANCE TO IMPROVE. IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THEY ARE LET GO. SO.

SO WHY WOULD WE? WHY WOULD WE? OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE VERY LIMITED RESOURCES. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN REID. WE'VE GOT TO GET OUR STAFF PAID. I MEAN, WE WIN. WE'VE GOT. THEY'VE GOT TO RAISES. I AGREE 100%. BUT WHY WOULD WE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS. I WON'T SAY WASTE, BUT WHY WOULD WE REWARD THOSE THAT LOW PERFORMING INDIVIDUALS WITH EVEN A 3% RAISE? BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE MARKET FOR THAT POSITION. SO WHEN THEY DO NOT PERFORM ANYMORE AND WE'RE REPLACING THEM, WE CAN HIRE SOMEONE BACK AT A COMPETITIVE WAGE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THAT, THAT IT'S THE ROLE. YEAH, THAT PAY. BUT DON'T WE HAVE A.

FOR EACH, EACH POSITION, FOR EACH STAGE, WHATEVER.

WE HAVE A PAY SCALE ON A GRADE. YES. AND THAT'S PART OF THE COMPENSATION STUDY.

PIECE OF IT. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO IT THAT WAY, PUT MORE INTO THE COMPENSATION STUDY AND NOT AS MUCH INTO COLA. SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD GO ABOUT.

AND I THINK THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS CONVERSATION ARE THE ONES THAT JUST ARE LOW PERFORMING.

THE ONES THAT ARE LOW PERFORMING, WE'RE NOT KEEPING IN THE ORGANIZATION.

WELL, I WOULD HOPE NOT. I MEAN.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M GONNA JUST SAY YOU GUYS KNOW BETTER BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING THE ORGANIZATION, BUT FROM A HIGHER LEVEL VIEW, I DON'T WANT TO REWARD THOSE THAT ARE NOT PERFORMING WELL.

AND IF YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GETTING RID OF THOSE, WE'RE CALLING THOSE ALREADY, WELL, THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE. THEY'RE NOT HIGH PERFORMING, THEY'RE NOT LOW PERFORMING, THAT'S KIND OF THE COLA.

ANOTHER BUCKET WOULD BE YOUR HIGH PERFORMERS. MAYBE HERE'S

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ANOTHER 2%. SOMETHING LIKE.

LIKE THAT.

WELL, IT COULD GO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM SOME OF THE DIRECTORS, TOO, IS THAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.

AND SOME OF THESE JOBS THAT ARE JUST.

YOU HAVE ONE JOB TO DO ALL DAY LONG AND THERE'S REALLY NOT A WAY THAT YOU CAN GRADE WHAT THEY DO. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO SPECIFICS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE, BUT YOUR JOB IS TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B EVERY DAY, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THEY'RE PERFORMING HIGH OR THEY'RE PERFORMING LOW BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME JOB ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT WE ARE, AS ANDREW SAID, I THINK IT'S.

IF YOU FIND SOMEONE THAT'S NOT DOING THEIR JOB, THEN WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THOSE. AND THOSE. THOSE ARE NOT IN THE ORGANIZATION ANYMORE.

I JUST DON'T LOVE.

EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME RACE. I DO NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL.

I JUST.

YOU HAVE THE OTHER CHALLENGE OF POLICE AND FIRE. GET THAT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING POLICE, POLICE AND FIRE. IT'S OKAY FOR YOU, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY FOR YOUR.

WELL, I GET, I GET THAT.

AND I MEAN, AND I HEAR THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE ARE SWORN. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND I THINK THAT, I MEAN, IT'S JUST. THEY'RE JUST DIFFERENT, THE DIFFERENT JOBS, IN MY OPINION. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT I JUST. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS.

I JUST DON'T. I DON'T LOVE GIVING EVERYBODY THE SAME RAISE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REWARD THOSE GUYS. BECAUSE EVEN THE GUYS THAT ARE TO GOING FROM POINT A TO POINT B EVERY DAY, THEIR ATTITUDE, SOME OF THEM'S ATTITUDE CAN BE DIFFERENT. I MEAN, WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS GUY'S. THIS PERSON'S GONNA MOVE OUT OF HERE.

LIKE THEY'RE GOOD.

LIKE THEIR ATTITUDE'S GOOD.

THEY COME, THEY'RE POSITIVE, THEY DO A LITTLE EXTRA.

THEY.

HEY, WHILE I WAS ON ROUTE, I SAW THIS. CAN WE FIX THIS? YOU'RE LIKE, THAT PERSON'S REALLY PAYING ATTENTION. HE'S AN ASSET AND SHE'S AN ASSET.

AND I THINK WE'D PROBABLY BE SUPPORTIVE IF IT WAS MERIT, IF WE WERE TALKING 5% OR 6%.

YEAH. SOMETHING WAS BIGGER THAN THREE BECAUSE COST OUR LIVING CHANGE.

YEAH, IT'S.

I AGREE. I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE EVERYBODY A LOT MORE, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LIMITED RESOURCES, I JUST, WHEN I HEAR COLA, I JUST DON'T LOVE IT. I DON'T LOVE EVERYBODY GETTING THE SAME RAISE. AND NO MATTER HOW I PERFORM, I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET THAT RAISE OR IF EVEN IF I'M MEDIOCRE, I KNOW THAT I'M GETTING THE SAME RAISE AS THE. AS THE PERSON THAT'S SHOWING UP EARLY AND STAYING LATE AND DOING THE EXTRA. AND I DON'T.

I DON'T LOVE THAT.

I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK IT.

IT REALLY SETS THE OTHER PERSON APART. THE HIGHER PERFORMING INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T SET THEM APART. JUST MY OPINION. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE GUYS FEEL, BUT I JUST. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF POSSIBLE, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT TO Y'.

ALL.

I KNOW, GRAYSON, WHEN YOU FIRST CAME ON, WE DID A STUDY TO SEE. AND WE MADE SOME CHANGES THERE BECAUSE WE WERE NOT COMPETITIVE FOR SOME AREAS. AND AGAIN, REALLY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S TWO PURPOSES FOR ANY KIND OF SALARY ADJUSTMENT. ONE IS TO REWARD GOOD BEHAVIOR. I MEAN, NOT GOOD BEHAVIOR, BUT GOOD PERFORMANCE. AND THE OTHER IS TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE. ARE THERE ANY AREAS? I MEAN, THERE'S THAT. I MEAN, BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER. ARE THERE OTHER AREAS THAT WE STILL NEED TO STUDY? YES.

3.4 MILLION OF OUR CURRENT STUDY THAT ARE STILL.

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE FULL STUDY LAST YEAR. BUDGET WAS LIMITED. AND SO WE DID LIKE A PHASE ONE APPROACH. WE WERE ABLE TO TARGET SOME VERY LOW POSITIONS, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE ENTIRE STUDY LAST YEAR. SO WE DO HAVE A PHASE TWO OPTION IN THIS NEXT. AS A SUPPLEMENTAL OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THAT.

THIS GENERAL FUND IS 445,000.

THE WHOLE STUDY WOULD BE 1.9 MILLION.

OKAY, SO I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT WE COULD SAVE A LARGE STUDY FEE IF WE WENT WITH A COLA BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T CALCULATE THE STUDY IF YOU'RE.

IF YOU'RE JUST SAYING. WELL, AS AN ORGANIZATION, THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION MATTERS. THE APPROACH THIS YEAR IS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BUILD IN THE COLA.

YES, THAT IS ONE OPTION.

YES. AND SO WHEN WE HAVE THE FUNDS, WE COULD DO A COLA AND STILL DO PART OF THE PAY STUDY. THAT'S AN OPTION, I THINK, RIGHT. ISN'T IT? AND WE'VE ALSO IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE DONE LIKE LAST YEAR OR CURRENT YEAR IS 2%. YOU HAVE TO BUDGET 2% FOR EVERYBODY.

NOT EVERYBODY GETS IT. SO WE HAVE AN EXCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. UP TO 5% FOR HIGH PERFORMERS.

AGREED.

SO YOU LIKE THAT APPROACH A LITTLE BIT MORE? I DO.

I MEAN, I LIKE.

AND I AGREE WITH.

HUH? OH, I AGREE WITH ALLOCATING THAT MUCH MONEY FOR ALL THE STAFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'LL RATE UNTIL THEY RATE.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I'M ALL FOR ALLOCATING THAT AND JUST PUTTING MORE ON THE MERIT SIDE OF IT THAN JUST EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME.

SO YEAH, A BUDGET ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE. THE TWO, THE THREE, WHATEVER PERCENT WE CAN DO, DO. BUT THEN HOW IT'S ALLOCATED COULD BE DIFFERENT.

YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES.

I JUST LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS TOPIC OF THE RAISES ACROSS THE BOARD. WE'RE NOT EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW ALL OF THE STAFF MEMBERS ARE PERFORMING IN THE ORGANIZATION. SO WE HAVE

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TO RELY ON MANAGEMENT FOR THAT. WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN EMPLOYEES OR AVAILABLE WORKFORCE WITH THE, WITH THE ASTRONOMICAL WE'RE SEEING IN THE REGION. IF WE DO NOT KEEP UP WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO FALL WOEFULLY BEHIND AND IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO BECOME DOWN TO A DECISION ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE POSITIONS OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE SUBCONTRACT OUT OF THE SERVICE? SO WE HAVE TO TRUST MANAGEMENT TO GET THE BEST TEAMS THAT THEY HAVE AND WE HAVE TO PAY THE INDIVIDUALS AND IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT SUBCONTRACTING OFFICE SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM IN THE CITY. AND THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. WE HAVE HIGHER SALES TAXES, THINGS ARE INCREASING, BUT ALSO WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN WAGES, ALMOST ORDERLY RIGHT NOW IN INDUSTRY. AND SO WE HAVE TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT.

BUT ONCE WE FALL BEHIND ON THAT AND WE GET THE DISCONTENT, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY HARD TASK TO CATCH UP ON.

HOW DOES THE, WHAT'S THE OVERALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, DIRECTORS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A GENERAL COLA VERSUS AMERIT, CAN WE PUT A PERCENTAGE ON IT? DO WE, DO WE FIND IT 50, 50 ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS THAT SOME OF THOSE DIRECTORS LIKED THAT OPTION? IS IT FAR LESS THAN THAT? YOU KNOW, MORE OF AN 80, 20.

I WOULD SAY THAT IT PROBABLY 80 THAT DID NOT LIKE THAT APPROACH.

OKAY, SO MAJORITY, MAJORITY OF DIRECTORS DIDN'T FIND THE MERIT TO BE HELPFUL.

AND WE DIDN'T DO MERIT FOR OUR THREE LARGEST DEPARTMENTS, I GUESS TWO REALLY LARGEST DEPARTMENTS IN ALL OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE BIGGEST STRUGGLE IN MY DEPARTMENTS AT LEAST HAS BEEN KEEPING UP WITH, JUST LIKE MR. PRESCOTT SAID, KEEPING UP WITH THE GOING WAGES. YOU KNOW, WE LOSE PEOPLE TO FAST FOOD, THEY'RE PERFORMING SERVICES FOR US BECAUSE IT PAYS MUCH BETTER THAN OURS DO. SO KEEPING EMPLOYEES, RETAINING THEM IS A BIG FOCUS THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT THAT COMES ALONG WITH TRAINING, MAKING THEM BETTER AT WHAT THEY DO, GIVING THEM BETTER OPPORTUNITIES TO PROMOTE THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION. AND I THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT OUR DIRECTORS LIKE BETTER.

WORKING WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES, MAKING THEM BETTER AT WHAT THEY DO AND GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITIES.

AND SOMETIMES THAT TODAY THE MEDIOCRE EMPLOYEE, IN TIME WITH TRAINING AND GUIDANCE, THEY BECOME A STELLAR EMPLOYEE.

BUT IT TAKES TIME. SO A LOT OF OUR CONCERN IS WE LOSE THEM BEFORE WE HAVE THAT TIME WITH THEM. WE LOSE, LOSE THEM BEFORE BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE COST IN OTHER PRIVATE SECTOR. AND SO BEFORE WE CAN MAKE THEM INTO A STELLAR EMPLOYEE, THEY'RE GONE BECAUSE OUR RATES AREN'T KEEPING UP. SO THAT'S THE THOUGHT THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM DEPARTMENTS. NOW AGAIN, IF COUNCIL PREFERS MAYOR, WE CAN DO THAT AT LEAST. WANTED TO RELATE TO YOU WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS.

DO WE HAVE A PROGRAM OF BONUSES AND INCENTIVES? WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO BONUSES IN PUBLIC GOVERNMENT. SO NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO LIKE INCENTIVE PAY.

LIKE IF A PERSON IS, LET'S SAY THEY'RE IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THEY ACHIEVE THEIR ACCOUNTING DEGREE. OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? EXCELLENT. I'M GOING TO PAY A LITTLE MORE. BECAUSE YOU ACHIEVED A DEGREE THAT BENEFITS THE TAXPAYERS IN THAT ROLE. SO WE DO HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. IF YOU GET A SIGNIFICANT CERTIFICATION THAT TOOK YEARS OF PREPARATION, WE DO THAT. I DON'T DO. IF YOU WENT TO ONE TRAINING AND GOT ONE LITTLE PAYMENT, YOU DON'T GET A, YOU DON'T GET PAID FOR THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU ACHIEVE A HIGHER EDUCATION, A HIGHER TRAINING, YOU DO THOSE OPTIONS LICENSES.

YES, YEAH, WE DO THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO THAT'S AVAILABLE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, EVERY, NOT EVERY POSITION HAS THAT OPTION.

SO YEAH, THE ONLY THING CLOSED IS OUR DISCRETIONARY RETENTION PAY, WHICH IS THREE YEARS OF SERVICE. THAT'S THAT ONE ANNUAL PAYMENT THAT'S BUILT INTO YOUR CASH FLOWS.

OUR CDL PROGRAM IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT AS WELL.

PUTTING THEM THROUGH A CDL PROGRAM, THEY EARN THEIR CDL, THEY BECOME A DRIVER, THEY GET MORE PAID FOR HAVING THAT CDL.

AND FOR OUR REALLY ACHIEVING POSITION EMPLOYEES, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE RECLASSIFY THEM.

SO BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE NOW DOING TWICE THE WORKLOAD, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PAID FOR THE SAME PAY YOU'RE MAKING BEFORE.

AND SO THOSE POSITIONS, WE DO RECLASSIFY THEM AND GIVE MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW DOING MORE WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE STELLAR EMPLOYEES. SO YEAH, WE DO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. WE RECOGNIZE THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WAY AS WELL.

THE POSITIONS THAT WE DEALT WITH IN THE FIRST STUDY, THE WAY THE SALARY STUDY, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY, I GUESS WE'RE MAYBE IN YEAR TWO OF IMPLEMENTING THIS, BUT I MEAN, HAVE WE SEEN LESS TURNOVER IN THOSE POSITIONS OR DO WE KNOW KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HOW THAT INVESTMENT IN DOING THAT STUDY MAYBE HAS TURNED OUT FOR US TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO.

I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO MY SPECIALIST HERE, COUNCIL.

I CAN'T SPEAK WITH EMPIRICAL DATA AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEEN A SLOWDOWN IN TURNOVER

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IN THOSE POSITIONS. BUT TO SOME OF THE CREDIT, WHAT DONNIE, MR. HOOPER AND MR. FREEMAN HAVE STATED, IT'S HELPED US, HELPED PUT US IN A POSITION TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH POSITIONS. I DO RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT I'D HAVE TO DO SOME DEEPER STUDIES TO SEE IF WE'VE SEEN ANY, ANY BENEFIT FROM, FROM IT.

YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER IF WE THOUGHT WE GOT VALUE OUT OF THAT FIRST STUDY THAT COULD HELP US COMPLETE LOOKING AT THE ORGANIZATION TO DO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, COUNCIL CAN DECIDE ON HOW MUCH WE WANT TO GIVE FOR INCREASES AS WE SHOULD.

BUT I'D REALLY TRUST STAFF TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, AND WHAT. I'M A PERSON THAT KIND OF, KIND OF SUPPORTS THE MERIT RAISE AS WELL. BUT YOU GUYS KNOW YOUR ORGANIZATION BETTER. I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH US SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE.

IF IT'S 3% ACROSS THE BOARD, IF YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE OUT BETWEEN SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OR REMAINING COMPETITIVE, IF WE DO A STUDY TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT POT OF MONEY WHICHEVER WAY YOU THINK IS BEST IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE IT. AND IT COULD BE A MIX OF MERIT, IT COULD BE A MIX OF, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE NOT PAYING ENOUGH IN THOSE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THOSE. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK LOOKING AT THE TOTAL THAT WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING IN THE BUDGET AND THEN YOU GUYS FIGURING OUT THE BEST WAY TO EXECUTE THAT.

I THINK WE HAVE COUNCILOR PRESCOTT WHO WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME, 70? YES.

YEAH, I JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, JUST FOR COMPARISON, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING GENERAL LABORS ROUSED ABOUT 17 TO 18 CDL DRIVERS. ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 40, DEPENDING ON EXPERIENCE AND WITH CERTIFICATIONS, THE ENTIRE MARKET AT MECHANICS WELDERS, THE ENTIRE MARKET IN THE TOP 26 COUNTIES IS SEVERELY STRAINED RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF CONTINUED EROSION IF WE DO NOT KEEP UP.

AND IN COMPARISON TO THAT, OUR CDL DRIVERS START AT 19.

TRY AGAIN.

IN COMPARISON THAT, OUR CDL DRIVERS START AT 19. IN THE OTHER RANGE WE TALK ABOUT, LABOR IS 13, $14 AN HOUR.

I NOTICED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE REQUEST THAT WERE COMING FROM POLICE AND FIRE, I MEAN FIRE WAS ABOUT FOUR TIMES AS MUCH. KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

SO THEIRS IS BASED ON THEY TOOK THE FIVE LARGEST COMMUNITIES AND FIVE SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND AVERAGED THEM OUT. AND IT'S TRYING TO MEET THAT AVERAGE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES BY RAISING THE WAGES. SO THAT'S THE COMPARISON THAT THEY MADE.

DOESN'T FACTOR IN COST OF LABOR, COST OF LIVING LIVING. IT'S JUST WHAT SOMEONE CAN MAKE DOING THE SAME JOB IN THOSE CITIES.

AND SO THAT TOTALED UP TO A 9 MILLION DOLLAR REQUEST OR STEPHANIE, CAN YOU CLICK IT FOR ME? I THINK IT'S AROUND WAS BUYERS PORTION 6 MILLION? OH, TOTAL 6. YEAH.

6 MILLION TO GET THAT REQUIRED.

AND THE 6.8 INCLUDES THE RECLASS OF A FEW POSITIONS AND CERTIFICATION PAY ADJUSTMENTS.

SO THOSE TWO NUMBERS REPRESENT WHAT PERCENTAGE POLICE'S PERCENTAGE.

SO POLICE ONLY ASK FOR THE 3%.

SO POLICE PLUS CONFER IS THE STEPS AND THE 3% AND THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE BUILT INTO YOUR BUDGET.

NOTHING IS BUILT IN. THIS WOULD ALL HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE 7.2 MILLION OF THE STEP. WELL THESE, THESE ARE NEW STEPS. SO POLICE CURRENTLY HAS A FIVE YEAR STEP, THEY WANT TO ADD ANOTHER FIVE TO THE OFFICER LEVEL. SO WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF SOMEONE'S ALREADY GOT 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE, THEY MOVE TO STEP 10. SO THEY'D SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAT WE DON'T HAVE FACTORED IN CURRENTLY IN OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW. IT'S ONLY WE'VE, WE'VE ESTIMATED THE 1.1 MILLION TO COVER AT CURRENT PAY BUMPING UP NEXT YEAR TO THEIR NEXT STEP. WE'VE GOT THAT BUILT IN.

SO THE CONSIDERATION, YOU'VE GOT 7.2 MILLION SITTING OFF TO THE SIDE AND KIND OF ON A GENERAL OVERVIEW SO FAR AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE INCREASES BUILT INTO THE BASE BUDGET THAT IS LESS THAN THAT. 7.2, RIGHT? CORRECT. EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST AND THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IS NOT BUILT IN.

WHAT ABOUT ADDITIONAL POSITIONS REQUESTED AND BUILT IN OR NOT BUILT IN? NO, THAT WOULD BE ON YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL AT 19 MILLION. SOME OF THOSE ARE NEW POSITIONS.

NOT REALLY. AND I THINK FIRE HAD SOME. POLICE DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEW POSITIONS IN THEIRS.

BUT YOU COULD GO TO AMW, THEY'VE GOT I BELIEVE TWO NEW

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OFFICERS FACILITIES, SIX MORE CUSTODIANS. THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF REQUESTS THROUGHOUT.

WHAT'S THE AVERAGE ON THE FIRESIDE IF YOU TAKE THEIR.

BECAUSE I MEAN I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES, WHAT DOES THAT CALCULATE TO HERE? AS A PERCENTAGE PAY INCREASE? OH, IT'S THAT 10 TO 22%, DEPENDING ON RANK. SOME OF THE RANKS WILL GET A 22% INCREASE.

SOME WILL GET 10% AND FALL IN BETWEEN.

OKAY. TOTAL PAY INCREASE FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

AND WE ALSO DID SOME. SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE BADGED OFFICERS OVER THE LAST, WHAT, FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS. ARE WE. IS IT 25% TOTAL CURRENT BETWEEN TWO YEARS OF INCREASES? I THINK THE ONE YEAR OF THE $10,000 EQUATED TO 16%.

YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF AVERAGE.

16. AND THEN THIS CURRENT YEAR, PD, I THINK GOT 4 AND FIRE GOT 3. YEAH, PD GOT 4%, FIRE GOT 3%, AND THEN CIVILIANS GOT 2%.

MERIT.

OKAY, COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? REMARKS ON.

YEAH, WE GOT ONE FOR PRESCOTT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

I KNOW WE.

WE TALK ABOUT CIVILIAN AND BADGED, BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT CIVILIAN, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR, LIKE, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS? WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR CPAS? WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE DEGREE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR OUR CITY? WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE IT GUYS? ALL THOSE OTHER SPOTS THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR THE INTERNAL INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. ALL WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE SAME BUCKET.

AND THAT WOULD. THAT WOULD KIND OF GET TOWARD YOUR COMPARABLE PAY STUDY OPTION AS WELL. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE STILL NEEDING TO BE IMPACTED, BUT THAT YOUR PAY STUDY WOULD GO TOWARDS, I WOULD SAY MINIMAL ON THE PROFESSIONAL SIDE. I THINK MOST OF IT WAS IN THE LOWER LEVEL TYPE POSITIONS.

SO OTHERWISE, I GUESS, COUNCILMAN PRESCOTT, IT'D GO BACK TO YOUR. GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WOULD AUTHORIZE WHETHER A COLA OR A MERIT FOR THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES INCLUDE YOUR PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYEES.

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ENGINEERS RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN'T LOSE ANY OF THEM.

WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES MINUS OUR EXECUTIVE END? DO WE KNOW.

DO WE HAVE A NUMBER ON THAT? NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.

WE COULD WORK ON SOMETHING, BUT IT'S A.

THAT'S KIND OF A HARD NUMBER TO. BECAUSE WE HAVE 2500 EMPLOYEES, WIDE RANGE OF DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND SO WE COULD. WE COULD COME WITH A NUMBER, BUT. YEAH, WE COME WITH A NUMBER.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S MAKING $100,000, THAT'S A $3,000 RAISE, WHICH COMES TO $250 A MONTH. SO IT'S REALLY NOT THAT LARGE AN INCREASE FOR INDIVIDUALS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE TALKING COLA VERSUS MERIT.

IT'S NOT MUCH. AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WERE LIKE, FOR SOME ARE LOWER PAY POSITIONS, HAVING A 2% MERIT WAS NOT WELL ACCEPTED BY A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND SO BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT, WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SUPERVISOR AND HOW THEY GRADE THE PERSON. AND WE TRY TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT, THERE'S NOT ANY WAY TO, WHEN IT COMES TO PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS, NOT REALLY A WAY TO HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD EVALUATE A PERSON ON THE SAME MINDSET BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT POSITIONS AS WELL. YOU WOULD GRADE A STREET WORKER DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD GRADE A LIBRARIAN.

OR IF YOU TAKE SOMEONE THAT'S REPAIRING A WATER LEAK, IT WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE. I MEAN, THEY'RE OUT THERE FOR 12 HOURS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COLD, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE.

BUT THEY'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME.

THEY'RE JUST DEALING WITH A PROBLEM. AND THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN DEALING WITH SOMEONE THAT'S PUBLIC FACING.

AND IF YOU TAKE HIS NUMBERS THAT HE SAID $15 AN HOUR EMPLOYEES GETTING A 30 CENT AN HOUR RAISE AT 2%.

RIGHT. AND THESE INCREASES, IT'S EVERYBODY, ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, FROM UPPER MANAGEMENT TO OUR LOWEST EMPLOYEE, IT WOULD BE ALL RANGES. YES, I MEAN, I MEAN, YES, YES.

SO COUNCILMAN, KEEP GOING ON THAT ONE. WE HAVE DIRECTOR LEVEL AND ABOVE. THEN WE HAVE KIND OF DIRECTOR LEVEL BELOW IN SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE ADDRESS DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST I THINK WE'VE HAD BUY IN FROM EXECUTIVE STAFF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, WE ARE COMPENSATED PRETTY WELL COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

BUT YOUR $52,000 NEW HIRE IS,

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IS $20,000 BELOW. SO YOU KNOW, 3% RAISE ON $200,000 IS SIGNIFICANT, BUT WHEN WE ADDED ALL THOSE UP, I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVEN TOTALED A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE TOWARDS MORALE.

BUT THEN ARE YOU PROPOSING TO LOOK AT LEVELS THAT IS ONE WAY THAT YOU COULD DO IT? IN TRYING TO TARGET, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO TARGET A LOT OF OUR ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS AS THE LOWEST PAID, MORE UNDERPAID, HARDER TO FILL. WE DIDN'T SEE QUITE AS MUCH ON THE HIGHER END. AND SO DO YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN LOOKING AT THAT AS A DIRECTION TO STAFF? WELL, I THINK EVERYTHING HAS TO AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS ON WHERE WE GO WITH THE BUDGET.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ON, ON THE TABLE.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, YOU SAY SOMEBODY WHO'S MAKING $15 AN HOUR, THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT A LARGE INCREASE. 3% WHERE SOMEBODY WHO IS, WHO IS SALARIED, NOT THE HOURLY RATE THAT MIGHT BE MAKING 200, 250, 300,000. THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE, AND I KIND OF GET IT.

BUT I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAVE TO HAVE AS WE TALK ABOUT RAISES AND WHERE WE ARE WITH SALARIES, CERTAINLY. AND AGAIN, ALL I CAN OFFER THERE IS THAT, I MEAN, ALL YOUR POSITIONS ARE AT RISK OF BEING LOST. AND SO, I MEAN, THE ONE THING ABOUT YOUR EXECUTIVES, THEY'RE BEING HEADHUNTED ALL THE TIME.

I HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

SO IT'S. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT YOU, AS A COUNCIL, DEPEND ON THE MOST. AND SO THEY'RE THE HARDEST TO FILL. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST RESPONSIBILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SCRUTINIZED THE MOST. THERE IS A BURDEN PLACED ON THEM THAT COMES WITH THE PAY THEY GET. AND SO ALL POSITIONS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT EACH ONE IS IMPORTANT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. AND WHEN YOU STEP INTO A HIGHER ROLE AS DEPARTMENT HEAD OR EXECUTIVE, YOU TAKE ON A MANTLE THAT SOMETIMES THE MONEY'S NOT EVEN WORTH IT, HONESTLY. SO IT'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE ON.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE BEING ON CITY COUNCIL.

YES, YES.

YEAH, WE. WE NEED TO GIVE SOME LEVEL OF DIRECTION FOR WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE COMING BACK. WE HAVE A COUPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE PRIORITIES.

WE'RE NOT REALLY SPEAKING TO THOSE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST KIND OF OVERALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO ON PERSONNEL. THE BALANCE IN THIS BUDGET PROBABLY COMES DOWN TO. BEFORE I SAY THIS, I GUESS I WOULD SAY I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPT AND THE IMPROVEMENT TO MAKE IT MORE ABOUT PUBLIC SERVICE THAN JUST THE FINANCIAL PIECE. SO PAY RAISES MATTER.

AND YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE. TAKE HOME A PAYCHECK TO YOUR FAMILY AND PROVIDE. BUT WHAT WE'VE ALSO SEEN IS THE MORALE INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD, I WOULD SAY. AND THAT IS A LOT DUE TO THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL AND DIRECTOR LEVEL OF APPRECIATION AND BUILDING TEAMS AND MAKING PEOPLE HAVE VALUE AND UNDERSTAND THEIR VALUE TO THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW. HOW MUCH BETTER YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AT THAT.

NOW, THAT SAID, I THINK OUR ROLE AS COUNCIL IS PROBABLY TO HELP IDENTIFY A PRIORITY FOR A DIRECTION. WE CAN PRIORITIZE PRODUCTION AND THE PRODUCT FOR WHATEVER DEPARTMENT THAT IS FOR YOU OVER PERSONNEL, AND WE CAN PUSH MONIES THAT DIRECTION, OR WE CAN PRIORITIZE PERSONNEL OVER THE PRODUCT, AND THAT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND THAT WOULD BE A DIRECTIVE TO YOU GUYS IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS MONEY COMES FROM, IN FINDING THAT 10 MILLION, $12 MILLION, WHATEVER THAT IS.

IN ORDER TO PRIORITIZE PERSONNEL IN THE FORM OF PAY INCREASE OR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS OR SHORING UP THE ORGANIZATION. IF YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES AND YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN KNOW MONIES THAT ARE COMING FORWARD OR IDENTIFYING EXISTING FUNDS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN UTILIZED, THEN YOU'RE LEFT TO FIND IT INEFFICIENCIES OR YOU'RE LEFT TO FIND IT IN SOME OF THE OTHER BUDGETS THAT YOU CARRY FORWARD THAT HAVE TO DO WITH FACILITIES MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO COUNCIL, IN SPLITTING THOSE APART, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO. I HEAR COUNCILMAN PRESCOTT, HE SEEMS TO BE. BE REALLY HEAVY ON THE PERSONNEL SIDE. LIKE, I'M HEARING A LOT OF VALUE ON PAYING PERSONNEL OVER NEW TIRES ON TRUCKS, SO TO SPEAK. WOULD ASK FOR A LITTLE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON HELPING TO BALANCE THAT BUDGET, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT NEED OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

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IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT RUNS OUR PROGRAMS, DOES THE WORK.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONCENTRATION HAS TO BE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE HUMANS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO DRIVE THE TRUCK. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF TIRES WE'VE GOT ON IT.

WELL, I WOULD SAY WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR GOALS? I MEAN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMPENSATION PART, WHAT ARE, WHAT GOALS ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE OUT OF THIS? A LOT OF IT IS OBVIOUSLY RETENTION AND ATTRACTION. AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE GOAL WHEN IT COMES TO A PAY STUDY OR YOUR PAY RANGE IS TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT A TALENTED EMPLOYEE AND THEN KEEP THAT TALENTED EMPLOYEE. AND SO. AND THEN I'LL SAY ON THE FLIP SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, WHENEVER IT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS, WE HAVE AN UNDERPERFORMED EMPLOYEE, EITHER GET THEM UP TO SPEED OR A SYSTEM ON EXITING THE ENTITY. AND SO.

BUT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL FOR, FOR A GOOD PAY, PAY RANGE IS TO ATTRACT AND KEEP. AND THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO. BUT AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT GOES BACK TO. I MEAN, I LOOK AROUND AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT WE ARE ATTRACTING GOOD EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE. WHERE THE WEAKNESS IS THAT WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT THIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. OUR SALARIES MAY NOT BE AS COMPETITIVE, BUT WE HAVE OTHER BENEFITS THAT CITY EMPLOYEES MAY GET THAT YOU CAN'T GET ELSEWHERE. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE ARE OUR WEAKNESSES? IS IT AN OVERALL WEAKNESS? OR WHERE ARE WEAKNESSES ON THE HIRING, THE ATTRACTING AND RETAINING? WHAT I CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU IS MAYBE A LITTLE ANECDOTAL.

EVERY TWO WEEKS, I'M PART OF THE NEW HIRE ORIENTATION PROCESS. AND SO EVERY TWO WEEKS WE GO THROUGH IT. WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE'RE ONBOARDING EMPLOYEES. AND SO I GET TO SHAKE EVERYONE'S HAND.

AND THAT'S ONE THING I'VE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I TRY TO SHAKE EVERY NEW EMPLOYEE'S HAND PHYSICALLY, WHEN THEY WALK, AND I WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT FROM THE CITY MANAGER. THEN I GIVE THEM AN ORIENTATION, JUST A WELCOME LITTLE PIECE, AND THEN EITHER ANDREW OR DONNIE OR THE OTHER ACM POSITION, THEY THEN DO A PIECE. WHAT I'LL SAY WITH THIS IS THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS I'M SEEING 20 TO 40 NEW FACES. I GOT 2,500 EMPLOYEES.

YOU ADD IT UP. AND THIS IS EVERY TWO WEEKS YOU ADD IT UP.

WE HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER HAPPEN. HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE ENTITY. SO I'M LOSING PEOPLE ALL THE TIME NOW.

SOME IS. SOME IS RETIREMENT, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF IT'S NOT. A LOT OF IT IS. I'M LOSING. THIS IS NOT JUST A STREET ISSUE OR A PARK. I GET THE OPPORTUNITY EVERY TWO WEEKS TO LOOK AT THE LIST ON EVERY DEPARTMENT AND I SEE EVERY CONSISTENTLY.

MOST APARTMENTS ARE REPRESENTED AT EVERY TWO WEEKS. SO WE'VE GOT ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE ENTITY ABOUT TRYING TO RETAIN. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, OUR BIGGER ENTITY, OUR BIGGER DEPARTMENTS, I SEE MORE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER, BUT I'VE SEEN WIC, I'VE SEEN VITAL STATISTICS, I'VE SEEN CP AND DE, SO WE SEE THEM COMING THROUGH.

SO I. SO JUST. THE ONLY WAY I TELL YOU IS I SEE A NEED ACROSS ENTITY ALMOST RELATIVELY EQUAL FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. AND TO ADD TO THAT, SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE COMING TO THE ORIENTATION THAT WE SEE ARE THE RESULT OF JOB FAIRS, THAT THE DEPARTMENTS THEMSELVES HAVE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO HAVE A JOB FAIR, AND THEY WORK WITH HR AND THEY PUT THOSE TOGETHER. I'VE ATTENDED A FEW OF THOSE RECENTLY AND THEY HAD A REALLY, REALLY GOOD TURNOUT AT THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE DESPERATE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP EMPLOYEES AND ONCE WE GET THEM, WE WANT TO RETAIN THEM. AND THAT'S THE HARDEST PART OF IT. AND THAT'S ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, REALLY.

AND I'VE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE EMPLOYEES HAVE LEFT AND GONE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND COME BACK.

YEAH. SO, I MEAN. YEAH, WELL, YEAH, SO ANYWAY.

BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE. AND I UNDERSTAND THE INCOME, BUT I WANT TO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STRATEGIC IN BEING ABLE TO DO THIS SO THAT WE LOOK AT.

BECAUSE I THINK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE LOOK MORE THAN ANECDOTALLY, I JUST WONDER IF THERE WOULD BE A TREND OR SOME AREA. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED SOME OF THOSE AREAS AND THAT'S PART OF THE PAY STUDY PROCESS. AND SO WHEN WE DID PHASE ONE OF THE PAY STUDY, THE TASK I GAVE HR GIVEN WE ONLY HAD SO MUCH FUNDS TO WORK WITH WHILE WAS LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ARE TRULY STRUGGLING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT MITCH AND THE TEAM DID IS THEY LOOKED AT THOSE. IF WE WERE TO DO A PHASE TWO, WE WOULD THEN GO TO THE NEXT TIER, THE ONES WE DIDN'T GET THE FIRST TIME. AND SO YEAH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY DEPARTMENTS, POSITIONS THAT STRUGGLE MORE THAN OTHERS. THE PAY STUDY HELPS WITH THAT. THE COLA OR MERIT, WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, HELPS ME CITYWIDE TRY TO KEEP UP WHILE I'M HOPEFULLY DOING BOTH. COLA, MERIT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO AND PAY STUDY AT THE SAME TIME. THE COLA KEEPS US GOING WHILE THE PAY STUDY ALLOWS US TO TARGET THOSE SPECIFIC ONES.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO BOTH. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO A COLA AND PART OF THE PAY STUDY.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS WHEN WE PUT THIS BUDGET TOGETHER THERE WILL BE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT.

AGAIN I WOULD GO, I MEAN,

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MAYBE WE DON'T GET, I MEAN, I GUESS IT WOULD THEN BE UP TO YOU TO HOW TO BEST ALLOCATE THAT OR YOUR ORGANIZATION TO BEST ALLOCATE THAT MONEY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT ENOUGH.

IF AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'LL SAY ENOUGH TO DO THE 3% AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE STUDY.

BUT IF THE STUDY IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN I THINK THAT'S, I THINK OUR JOB IS GOING TO BE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE? DO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, TO IMPLEMENT TO YOU USING THAT IN WHATEVER WAY YOU WANT TO, TO HELP MEET THE CHALLENGES OF RETRACTING AND RETAINING.

ABSOLUTELY. AND SO YEAH, WE COULD, SO THE COUNCIL COULD JUST GIVE ME A BUDGET, A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR PERSONNEL ITEM KIND OF THING. THEN YOU LEAVE IT TO ME DECIDE COLA, MERIT PAY, STUDY MIXTURE, KIND OF, YOU CAN DO THAT. AND WHEN IT COMES TO PAY STUDY, I MEAN WE, I MEAN WE WILL AS MANAGEMENT TRY TO TARGET THOSE ROUGH POSITIONS THAT ARE STILL, STILL STRUGGLING. WE CAN DO THAT. SO WE COULD DO THAT OR YOU CAN TELL ME, YOU KNOW, WE WANT A 3% COLA OR MERIT PLUS WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU $700,000 FOR THE NEXT ALTERNATIVE PHASE APPROACH FOR THAT. SO.

WELL, AND NOT ALL TURNOVER IS BAD. I MEAN TURNOVER IS GOOD.

AND THEN OTHER TIMES THEY'RE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ADVANCE THEIR CAREERS, THAT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE OR THEY WANT COMPENSATION ELSEWHERE.

SO, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY WE WANT TO HOLD THOSE PEOPLE BACK EITHER.

BUT I AGREE WITH LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKETPLACE, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. NOT ALL TURNOVER IS BAD. SOME TURNOVER IS ACTUALLY HEALTHY FOR THE ENTITY, BUT THEN THAT GOES BACK TO THE ATTRACTION PART. SO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN ATTRACT THE NEXT PERSON.

BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN KIND OF QUANTIFY WHEN WE'RE MAKING THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACHIEVING WHAT WE'RE ACHIEVING, THAT WE'RE.

THAT WE'RE MAKING GAINS ON TURNOVER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS TO ATTRACT GOOD PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK WE ALREADY DO THAT. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME HERE ARE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO, BUT RETAINING THEM IS PART OF IT. AND TO MAKE SURE TO MEASURE HOW ARE WE RETAINING THE PEOPLE THAT, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER PRESCOTT SAYS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT AND KEEP.

YEP.

SO JUST SPEAKING GENERAL FUND, AND I KNOW IT WILL IMPACT OTHERS, BUT I THINK IF YOU KIND OF IMPLEMENT A PROTOCOL OR, YOU KNOW, THE TEMPLATE FOR GENERAL FUND, I THINK MAYBE IT COULD FLOW THROUGH THE OTHERS AND IT WOULD BE PRACTICAL. IF WE'RE SAYING AS AN ORGANIZATION AND FROM LEADERSHIP AND EXECS, YOU KNOW, WE FIND THAT THE ENTIRE HEALTH OF THE ORGANIZATION IS IMPORTANT. WE'VE BUILT A TEAM.

WE'RE ALL IN A TEAM HERE. WE DON'T REALLY LIKE BEING DEPARTMENTED, SO TO SPEAK, AND EACH THING EVALUATED SEPARATE, THEN I FIND IT TO BE HEALTHY. IF YOU SAY, OKAY, OUR GOAL IS TO GIVE A 3% INCREASE IN PAY ACROSS THE BOARD, I FIND IT HELPFUL TO PUT EVERYTHING INTO THAT SAME BUCKET OF CONTRIBUTION. AND SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS WE KEEP THE FUND BALANCES SEPARATE. WE DON'T NECESSARILY VOLUNTEER THOSE UNTIL RECENTLY. SO WE MAY HAVE SOME SAVINGS THAT ARE REALIZED IN DIFFERENT AREAS. THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE TEAM.

BUT THEN WHEN WE, WHEN WE SPEAK TO A PAY ADJUSTMENT INCREASE, WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE TEAM AS A WHOLE.

SO IN BEING ABLE TO DO THIS, IF 3% IS $10 MILLION, THEN WHAT WE SAW WITH KATRINA'S PREVIOUS PRESENTATION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS, OVERALL, WE'RE UNDER BUDGET, YOU KNOW, SO MANY MILLIONS IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN HERE'S THE ITEMIZED AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO DO BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR WHERE WE'VE HAD COST OVERRUNS.

RIGHT. SO CAN WE SET A GOAL OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION? RIGHT. BUT THEN ALSO TAKE THE COMPARTMENTALIZATION AWAY AND PUT IT ALL INTO THE WAY THE GENERAL FUND OPERATES AND LOOK AT THAT AS WHAT DOES THAT NET OUT. BECAUSE WE WOULD STILL HAVE IN THESE BUDGETS THAT ARE REPRESENTED SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT ARE NOT BEING RECOGNIZED.

WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE BUDGET AND LOWER ANY DEPARTMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF BASED ON, ON EVEN IF THAT DEPARTMENT DID HAVE AN EXISTING FUND BALANCE AT THE, AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO DO YOU, DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING IN TRYING TO LOOK AT JUST EFFICIENCIES OR OVERALL BECAUSE. GO AHEAD.

WELL, I THINK SOMETIMES A LOT OF OUR GIVEN WE ARE SO HEAVY PERSONNEL IN A BUDGET. A LOT OF YOUR, A LOT OF YOUR, A LOT OF YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND THE BUDGET IS BECAUSE WE HAD, WE'VE HAD TURNOVER AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE LOST POSITION, WE HAVE VACANT POSITIONS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A NATURAL THING IN ENTITY TO SIZE. AND SO, SO I THINK WHEN YOU SEE A LOT, A LOT OF YOUR, A LOT OF YOUR POTENTIAL EFFICIENCIES, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY AN EFFICIENCY.

IT'S JUST WE JUST HAD TURNOVER.

AND SO MY GOAL WOULD BE TO KEEP HUNDRED PERCENT OF MY EMPLOYEES 100% OF THE YEAR. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND SO, SO WE HAVE INEVITABLY

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AN AMOUNT LEFT OVER. NOW MY GOAL, THANKS TO COUNCILOR SIMPSON'S POINT IS TO KEEP WORKING ON STRATEGIES TO KEEP, TO STOP LOSING EMPLOYEES. NOW OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE RETIRE, GOOD FOR THEM. SOMEDAY I HOPE TO DO THAT MYSELF. AND SO, AND PEOPLE, THEY KNOW A BETTER OPPORTUNITY OR THEY'RE MOVING BECAUSE THEIR SPOUSE GOT A JOB IN HOUSTON. WE GET THAT.

BUT I WANT TO STOP THE BLEED ON I GOT A BETTER JOB AT FERMI OR I GOT A BETTER JOB AT WALMART, I GOT A BETTER JOB AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO STOP AND SO NOT GOING TO STOP AT 100%. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS ISN'T MY SPEED. I DON'T LIKE FILLING POTHOLES EVERY DAY OR I DON'T LIKE CATCHING DOGS EVERY DAY.

SO SOME OF THAT HAPPENS TOO.

BUT I WANT TO DO WHAT I CAN AS AN ORGANIZATION THROUGH OUR ENVIRONMENT, THROUGH OUR CULTURE, THROUGH OUR PAY STRUCTURE, THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATION STRATEGY, THROUGH OUR, ALL THESE THINGS PLAY INTO A GOOD ATMOSPHERE. PAY IS ONE OF THOSE. AND SO I WANT TO BUILD THAT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO STAY.

SO IN THE ACFR THAT WE'VE GOT IN 25, WE MADE SOME BUDGET AMENDMENTS WHAT WE SAW IN 25 WAS OVERALL, WE'RE UNDER BUDGET $18 MILLION. THEN DEPARTMENTALLY, WE HAVE COST OVERRUNS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. SOME OF IT, I THINK WAS EVEN LIKE WILDLAND OR DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, FIGHTING FIRES ON BEHALF OF OTHER PEOPLE.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD $8 MILLION IN COST OVERRUNS. WE NETTED A $10 MILLION EFFICIENCY AT THE END OF THAT YEAR. JUST AS A VERY SIMPLE LOOK BACK, RIGHT? THEN WE LOOK AT REVENUES AND WE GO, OKAY, WE PROJECTED REVENUES AT 270.

WE REVENUE 275. SO WE BRING THAT 5 MILLION IN. AND SO YOU PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND WE WALKED INTO 2026. LET'S. WITH A $15 MILLION NET POSITIVE POSITION. NOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH 2026. WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A BUDGET FOR 27.

WHAT THIS COUNCIL, I THINK WOULD BE GREATLY BENEFITED BY WOULD BE IF WE COULD SEE WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE THOSE BUDGET AMENDMENTS COULD BE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR? ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE SAME LEVEL? I MEAN, WE'RE PROJECTING REVENUES, WE CAN SEE THAT THOSE ARE OVER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT PROJECTING. OUR NET POSITION WITH THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE OVER, THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE UNDER.

SO OVERALL, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU GUYS COULD BRING US BACK A NUMBER THAT REPRESENTS THAT EFFICIENCY THAT WOULD THEN HELP US SET A GOAL.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE'RE SEEING SO FAR ALL HAS TO DO WITH INCREASE. INCREASE IN REVENUES. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT SHOWS, OKAY, WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE SPENT 5 OR 10 MILLION LESS IN THE GENERAL FUND.

THAT IS PART OF YOUR BIASED ESTIMATES, YOUR ACTUALS. AND I KNOW THEY DID, AND I DID. WE WENT LINE BY LINE BY LINE. AND I EVEN JUSTIN ATTESTED THIS. I SENT HIM MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT LOOKING AT THOSE TRENDS, LOOKING AT THE LAST THREE YEAR ACTUALS, LOOKING AT THE REVISED ESTIMATE, AND SO NOT FOCUSING ON THE BUDGET NUMBER, LOOKING AT THE TRENDS. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PLENTY EXAMPLES OF PLUSES AND MINUSES. WE, LAST YEAR WE WERE, WE WERE HERE, NOW WE'RE GOING HERE, OR NOW WE'RE GOING HERE. AND SO THIS WHOLE BUDGET IS BUILT AROUND THAT PRINCIPLE OF, OF CAPTURING THE EFFICIENCIES USING TRENDS.

SO I DO WANT TO. AND LET'S JUST TAKE FIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT I CAN REMEMBER IN MY HEAD. I WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, IT WAS 52 MILLION, AND THEN NOW THEY'RE BUDGETING, SAY 49 MILLION, RIGHT? SO, SO CAN FIRE OPERATIONS PERFORM EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO AT THE 49, OR DO WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE LIKE, WELL, WE ENDED UP MOVING THAT UP IN A BUDGET AMENDMENT LAST YEAR.

YOU SHOULD ANTICIPATE THAT.

AGAIN, THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE COULD TAKE THIS 7.2 MILLION AVAILABLE AND PUT IT ALL TOWARDS POLICE AND OVERTIME TO FIX YOUR BUDGET.

BUT THEN YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR OTHER NEEDS. OR YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND COUNT ON THOSE AFFAIRS, EFFICIENCIES, TURNOVER AND EXCESS REVENUE, HOPEFULLY ABOVE THE 3% ABOVE ACTUALS AND SALES TAX TO COME IN NEXT YEAR TO PAY FOR THE OVERTIME AND SOFTWARE AND OTHER COSTS.

I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M ALSO FACTORING IN THE 18 MILLION WORTH OF COST SAVINGS THAT WE SAW.

SO IN THE ANTICIPATION OF THESE BUDGETS ARE BUILT ON PREVIOUS 26 ORIGINALS, NOT THE AMENDED RIGHT OF 25.

BUT THEN WE THROW IN THE EXPENSE EXPECTED NEW REVENUE.

SO YOU'RE CAPTURING THAT REVENUE.

BUT WHERE YOU ALLOCATE IT, DO YOU PUT IT IN THAT POLICE AND FIRE, OR DO YOU DO IT TOWARD RAISES AND YOUR CASH FLOW SHEET SHOWS, THE SHOWS ARE ADJUSTED WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO END THIS CURRENT YEAR. SO THAT, THAT DOES THAT FOR YOU, I BELIEVE. AND SO IT DOESN'T GO BY DEPARTMENT, BUT AGAIN AS A FUND, WE'VE DONE THE WORK TO SAY, OKAY, WE BELIEVE AS WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, THE LIBRARY, THE VITAL, THE STREET, ALL THEM ADDED UP, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP AT. AND SO THEN THAT GIVES YOU YOUR NEW AVAILABLE BALANCE FOR THIS YEAR.

SO YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THOSE EFFICIENCIES.

SO IN TRYING TO STAY IN OUR LANE, IF WE WERE TO GIVE A DIRECTIVE OF, YOU

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KNOW, WE BELIEVE THERE COULD BE 10 MILLION IN EFFICIENCIES OVERALL THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SET A GOAL OF 3% ACROSS THE BOARD. GO AND LOOK AT THOSE ACTUALS COMING IN IN 26, WE VERSUS THE REVENUES THAT WE'RE HAVING IN 26, NOT ANTICIPATING ADDITIONAL REVENUES IN 27, BUT CAPTURE BOTH OF THOSE AND BRING US BACK A NUMBER TO TELL US HOW FAR AWAY FROM THAT 3% WE ARE. IS THAT A GOOD DIRECTIVE? WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. SO WE'VE DONE THE WORK TO GO THROUGH AND I KNOW I PERSONALLY WENT THROUGH IT, I WENT LINE BY LINE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS AND SO TRYING TO FIND, OKAY, THE TREND SHOWS ME HERE VERSUS HERE. SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT WORK.

SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED FROM THE COUNCIL, WE WANT YOU TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK HERE OR HERE OR, OR CUT THE SERVICE BACKS. I THINK I WOULD NEED THAT, GUYS, BECAUSE I. I DON'T REALLY HAVE SOMETHING I CAN GIVE TO YOU MYSELF. I. I WOULD NEED YOU TO TELL ME. WE WANT TO. WE WANT TO CUT X DEPARTMENT. OKAY, SO JUST LOOKING AT PAGE 11 AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES HERE. YOU KNOW, JUST THE ROUND NUMBER OF 275 IS WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD END IN 26. AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO END AT 281 IS THE REVISED PROJECTION.

SO WE'RE SPENDING MORE THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED. IF WE GO TO OUR ACTFIR. WAS IT PAGE 32? MAYBE.

IF WE GO TO OUR ACTFIR.

GENERAL FUND. KATRINA, YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP ME IN FINDING THE CORRELATION.

ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS SEE WHAT IS OUR TREND.

DID WE.

DID WE GO UP IN 25 FROM OUR PROJECTIONS? WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND TOWARDS THE BACK, THAT HAS THE BUDGET IN THAT GENERAL FUND.

159.

SO EXPENDITURES AFTER TRANSFERS. 247. AND THE ACTUALS WERE 263. AM I SEEING THAT RIGHT? REVENUES WERE 260% PROJECTED AT 247. BUT THEN EXPENDITURES WERE PROJECTED AT 247 AND ACTUALIZED AT 263 ON THIS, WHICH THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL BUDGET AMENDMENTS. WE HAD PROJECTED AGAIN AT 252. SO SHOULD WE ASSUME THAT WE FINISHED THE YEAR IN THE GENERAL FUND AT 263 IN ACTUALS? WE SHOULD.

YEP. 159. OKAY.

SO NOW WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT OUR ACTUALS IN 26. WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT OUR TOTAL ACTUAL SPEND IN 26 IS NOW LOOKING LIKE 275.

THAT'S THE BUDGET FOR 26, 25, 26. AND WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT WE'LL SPEND 281 MILLION IN 2526.

SO WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THE BUDGET WAS 268 AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 274. SO ACTUALS TO ACTUALS IS VERY HELPFUL HERE. SO IN 26, WE'RE SAYING WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 274. AND IN 25 WE KNOW WE SPENT 263. SO $11 MILLION INCREASE IN CURRENT YEAR. YEAR FROM LAST YEAR. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO GET TO IN BEST GUESS.

NO, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 281 AND 26. 25, 26.

WHERE'S THE 281? THAT'S THE MIDDLE COLUMN.

MY FAULT.

YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. YEAH.

I WAS DOWN BELOW THAT ON THE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT LINE I WAS ON. SO YEAH, WE'RE SAYING 281 IS OUR ACTUAL. AND SO LET'S DO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE I CONFUSED MYSELF. 263 IS OUR ACTUALS FROM 25 IN THE GENERAL FUND.

281 IS OUR ACTUALS IN 20 IN CURRENT YEARS ESTIMATED.

YES. OKAY. 7, 8. 18 MILLION OVER BUDGET ESTIMATED.

YES. BUDGET OF 275. AND WE'RE ESTIMATING 281.

YEAH. SO JUST ABOVE THE 275, YOU'RE COMPARING IT

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TO HOW WE ENDED UP LAST YEAR.

SO IT'S YOUR BUDGET TO BUDGET, NOT. WE'RE ONLY PROJECTING TO BE OVER BY 6 MILLION FROM ORIGINAL FUND IN THE GENERAL FUND.

FROM THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT.

ESTIMATED. THE PLAN. THE BUDGETED PLAN. 275.

YEAH. SO IS IT A BAD QUESTION TO ASK FOR THOSE EFFICIENCIES THAT WE SAW? LIKE BECAUSE IN 25 WE SAW EFFICIENCIES IN LOTS OF DEPARTMENTS AND THEN WE SAW LARGE COMPANIES COST OVERRUNS IN A FEW AREAS. SO WE WANT TO TRUE UP AND WRITE UP THOSE BUDGETS.

GET THEM HIGHER. BUT THEN THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO THAT IS IF YOU CUT POSITIONS IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT JUST HAD TURNOVER. THAT'S THE EFFICIENCY. GRACE.

I'M JUST SAYING THE DIFFERENCE IN RUNNING THE ORGANIZATION IS ROUGHLY 18 MILLION FROM 25 TO 26. COST INCREASE 281 FROM 263. SO ADDITIONAL 18 MILLION IN COSTS TO THE GENERAL FUND TO RUN THE.

WE SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT THE 263. THAT'S MORE THE OPERATION. EVERYTHING ELSE IS TRANSFERRED OUT FOR OTHER FUNDS. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING PERSONNEL, IT'S REALLY THE OPERATING BUDGET REQUEST.

263 LET'S GO TO WHAT WAS THE OPERATING BUDGET REQUEST THEN? BUDGET WAS 257. WE'RE PROJECTING 263.

WELL LOOK AT 25 ON THAT PAGE.

159. WHAT LINE ITEM WAS THAT? BE, TRANSFERS. YOU JUST SUBTRACT THAT NUMBER.

TRANSFERS IS DOWN IN THE OTHER FINANCING SOURCES.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN YOUR BUDGET NUMBERS THAT.

APPLES TO APPLES.

YEAH. AND I, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY GET LOST IN. IN TRANSFER. SO I'M JUST LOOKING OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO SPEND $18 MILLION MORE THIS CURRENT YEAR THAN IT DID LAST YEAR. AND THEN WE'RE PROJECTING, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT AND TRYING TO FACTOR IN RAISES.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS IF COUNCIL AGREES, LIKE LET'S GO LOOK AT THIS. 18 MILLION IN CURRENT YEAR EXPENDITURES AND. AND SEE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO PULL FORWARD THAT WILL HELP US ACHIEVE, YOU KNOW, AN INCREASE IN SALARY? WELL, AGAIN, THOSE WOULD BE ONE TIME BECAUSE ANYTHING YOU HAVE LEFT OVER FROM THIS YEAR WILL BE APPLIED TO A ONE TIME FOR THE NEXT YEAR. SO AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR RIGHT COLUMN THERE IS SHOWING YOUR ONGOING REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES.

THAT'S THE COLUMN THERE FOR THAT. AND SO ANYTHING, ANYTHING WE HAVE FOR EFFICIENCY, THIS, THAT WE CAPTURE THIS YEAR WOULD BE A ONE TIME THAT YOU CAN USE IN THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS.

PROCESS.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THAT, WHEN WE DO THAT CALCULATION.

CAN I ADD ON YOUR CASH FLOW? YOU HAVE THE 263THE OPERATING BUDGET TO YOUR OPERATING BUDGET IN YOUR ACT FOR YOU ARE 263.

YOU'RE WITHIN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS BETWEEN IN 25 AND 25 TWO COMPARED TO 26 TO THIS MIDDLE COLUMN.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT OPERATING BUDGET REQUEST REVISED ESTIMATE OF 263, 235.

SO IT'S PRETTY FLAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE.

RIGHT. OKAY.

AND AGAIN, WE'VE DONE THE EXERCISE AGAIN.

THE COUNCIL REQUESTED REVISED ESTIMATES. SO WE DID THE EXERCISE AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO DETERMINE.

WE USE REVISED ESTIMATES IN OUR, IN OUR ESTIMATION FOR THE 2627 BUDGET. SO WHEN YOU GO LINE BY LINE BY LINE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EXAMPLES OF, OF THAT.

AND AGAIN, SOMETIMES IT'S OFF BECAUSE WE KNOW SOMETHING.

WE KNOW THAT, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO COME. THIS IS WHY WE WORK WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS DETERMINE. OKAY, WHAT DO YOU KNOW? WE DON'T KNOW.

WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS BIG EXPENSE NEXT YEAR. SO THERE'S THAT. SO WE'VE DONE THE EXERCISE OF TRYING TO DETERMINE EFFICIENCY BY USING REVISED ESTIMATES.

YEAH, I AM SEEING YOUR 263 ON YOUR OPERATING BUDGET REQUEST AT THE TOP. RIGHT.

THEN THAT CORRELATES DOWN TO THE 263 AND 2025 OF 263. SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING ALL OF THE OTHER GRANTS AND PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALL PULLED OUT OF THERE.

THOSE ARE TRANSFERS.

TRANSFERS. SO YOU HAVE TO ON YOUR IPHER GO TO THE OTHER FINANCING SOURCES DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THAT 19 MILLION. THOSE COMPARE APPLES.

AND I LOVE THE ACTFIR BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPS YOU SEE IT. SO SURE. IN LOOKING AT THE ACTFIR, TOTAL EXPENDITURES IN 25 ACTUAL AMOUNTS IS 263 OPERATING WISE.

YES, OPERATING WISE UP FROM THE BUDGETED AMOUNT OF 247.

SO WE WERE OVER THE BUDGET DURING THAT YEAR. BUT THEN THIS ONE YOU'RE SAYING GO UP TO THAT OPERATING BUDGET REQUEST OF 263 IS YOUR ACTUALS FOR 2026. SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU'VE RAN THE ORGANIZATION, THE GENERAL FUND BASICALLY IN 25, THE SAME AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE RUNNING IN 26 IN OPERATING,

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THAT'S WHAT IT'S KIND OF TURNING OUT TO BE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE OUR FORECASTED NUMBERS AND SO IT'S BASICALLY TURNING OUT TO LOOK THE SAME.

SO AGAIN, TURNOVER OR CUTTING BACK AND BUYING OF SEED OR FUEL PRICES HAVE BEEN GOOD. IT'S JUST. IT'S JUST WE'VE CONTINUED TO OPERATE STATUS QUO. AND I KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS HERE LAST YEAR, THAT BUDGET PROCESS, THE GOAL WAS KEEP THINGS STATUS QUO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO WE GAVE SOME RAISES FOR POLICING FIRE, A LITTLE BIT OF MERIT FOR CIVILIANS, BUT OTHERWISE WE'VE KIND OF KEPT THINGS OPERATING THE WAY WE'VE DONE FOR YEARS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR NEXT YEAR. STUFF STATUS QUO, UNLESS YOU ALLOW FOR SOME SUPPLEMENTALS.

SO IF IT COST US 263 TO RUN THE ORGANIZATION THIS NEXT YEAR.

RIGHT. AND WE WANTED TO GIVE $10 MILLION WORTH OF RAISES AND PRIORITIZE THAT, WE'D BE 273 PLUS THE OTHER REQUESTS.

WELL, AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUND DOESN'T NEED THE 10 MILLION THE GENERAL FUND NEEDS LIKE THE 5 OR SO. RIGHT, SORRY, YEAH, QUOTE ACROSS THE FUNDS.

YEAH, PROBABLY 10, I GUESS.

AND SO. YES, SO THAT WOULD BE ALL YOUR, ALL YOUR CASH FLOWS.

COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PICK. WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOK AT REVENUES OR WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOK AT EXPENDITURES IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE REPRIORITIZATION OR CONTINUED PRIORITIZATION OF PERSONS PERSONNEL. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE PROBABLY NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS IN WHERE DO YOU WANT STAFF TO LOOK? FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD TO BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING IN A MONTH THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS US AS CLOSE TO THE GOAL AS POSSIBLE OF MEETING THOSE PRIORITIES.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A MONTH TO DO THAT. WE NEED TO APPROVE BUDGET BY THE END OF AUGUST. AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE'VE DONE THE EFFICIENCY LOOK, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN BRING BACK TO YOU UNLESS YOU TELL ME.

YEAH, GO AND CUT THIS DEPARTMENT. MY REQUEST IS YOU GOT ABOUT 7.2 MILLION TO WORK WITH FOR ONGOING GENERAL FUND, WHETHER WE DO PROPERTY TAX OR NOT. UTILIZE THAT TOWARDS THE PERSONNEL.

COUNCILMAN, JUST GOING BACK TO THIS PAGE 11 REAL QUICK, IF I WERE TO SIMPLIFY THIS, I GUESS THE THROWING OUT THE GRAND INCOME TRANSFER FROM OTHER FUNDS AND THEN. AND THE EXPENSES, I MEAN REALLY THROWING THAT OUT. WE PREDICT WE PROJECTED 256 MILLION IN INCOME INTO THE GENERAL FUND. I MEAN THAT'S FROM TAXES, SALES TAX, ALL THOSE INCOME FOR THE, I MEAN THE BUDGET WAS THAT IN THIS YEAR AND OUR, OUR OPERATING BUDGET WAS 250, 256 MILLION. SO WE WERE RIGHT THERE. WE WERE SPENDING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE WERE TAKING IN. BUT IT'S ALL GOOD.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE TOOK IN 267 MILLION IN REVENUE WHICH IS SALES TAX AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE PROJECTING. AND OUR EXPENSES GO UP TO 263 MILLION.

I'M JUST FROM THE 257 TO THE 263. WHAT CONSTITUTED THAT INCREASED SPENDING? WAS IT RELATED TO REVENUE OR IS IT EMPLOYEE EXPENSES OR OVERTIME EXPENSES? DO WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT IT'D BE? ALL THE ABOVE ME. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LOT OF OVERTIME.

BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE MIXTURE OF THINGS THAT PLAY INTO THAT AND SO IT'S A WHOLE MANY PAGES THERE WORTH OF.

WELL, WHAT, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT I MEAN BUT CAN WE ADD. I MEAN BUT I WOULD GOT TO THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW MAJOR DRIVERS IN THAT PERSONNEL. I MEAN PENCILS HAVE NOT CAUGHT, YOU KNOW, CAUSED US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KIND OF KNOWING WHAT THAT WAS AND I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

YES, WE, WE DID DO A LITTLE BIT OF A RECONCILIATION TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE.

YOUR BIGGEST DRIVER WAS OBVIOUSLY OVERTIME. THAT WAS ABOUT 3.5 MILLION OF THAT JUMP. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME OBLIGATIONS FOR LEASE COMPUTER SOFTWARE, SOME CONTRACTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT INCREASED DUE TO COSTS.

AND SOFTWARE COSTS ARE JUST SKYROCKETING AT THIS POINT. SO THAT WAS ABOUT 1.1 MILLION.

AND THEN SOME OF THE DELIVERIES WE HAD IN FLEET THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE ORIGINAL NUMBERS, THOSE DELIVERIES THAT INCREASED THOSE COSTS WAS ABOUT 1.5. SO THAT BRINGS YOU TO ABOUT YOUR $6.1 MILLION VARIANCE RIGHT THERE.

THOSE ARE YOUR BIG DRIVERS.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT.

AND SO NEXT YEAR WHERE WE'RE PROJECTING REVENUE RIGHT NOW AT 271 AND WHERE EXPENSES ARE GOING FROM 263 TO 268. DO YOU HAVE KIND OF WHAT THE HIGH LEVEL INCREASE IS FOR THE EXPENSES? BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER $5 MILLION KIND OF WHAT'S DRIVING THAT.

THAT'S A POLICE AND FIRE AUTOMATIC STEP INCREASES.

FIRE STATION 14, FIREFIGHTER RECLASS LEASE COMPUTER SOFTWARE IT CHARGES, FLEET CHARGES AND INSURANCE AND BONDS. IT'S ABOUT 500 MILLION.

BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING TO LOOK AT THE, THE 3% ACROSS THE BOARD IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE 7.2 MILLION.

YES SIR.

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7.2 MILLION.

SO I, I DO WANT TO GO BACK ONE MORE TIME JUST BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE GOT IT RIGHT WRONG IN MY HEAD. I THOUGHT WE BROUGHT IN, YOU KNOW, A TOTAL UNDER BUDGET, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR OF LIKE 18 MILLION. AND THEN WE HAD THOSE BUDGET AMENDMENTS OF $10 MILLION AND WE HAD A NET DIFFERENCE OF LIKE 8 MILLION.

IS THAT ROUGHLY CORRECT? IN 25. END OF 25. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP YOU FINISH THE YEAR WITH SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MORE IN YOUR.

IT ALSO HELPS US GENERAL FUND CIP PROJECTS.

SO I MEAN, I THINK THOSE MONIES THAT WE, WE CAME IN UNDER BUDGET.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ONE TIME SPEND AGAIN, IT GOES TO THE CIP FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. SO BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE THE MONEY WE, THE EFFICIENCIES WE CAPTURED ONE TIME. SO WE CAN THEN PUT THAT TOWARDS YOUR CALCULATION FOR THE CIPS. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA HAVE THE SAME EFFICIENCIES THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW. WE HOPE SO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE 6 MILLION OR 4 MILLION OR 24 MILLION. DON'T KNOW. I MEAN WE'VE GIVEN YOU OUR ESTIMATE HERE, BUT I STILL KNOW THE MONTH AND A HALF TO GO.

ONE TIME.

AND SO, SO IF WE, AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL SIT ON THIS ONE FOR JUST A QUICK, QUICK MINUTE AND THEN WE'LL DO LUNCH.

BUT IF WE REALIZED 18 MILLION WORTH OF SAVINGS TOTAL AND THEN WE REALIZED 10 MILLION WORTH OF COST OVERRUNS, WE BROUGHT BACK $10 MILLION WORTH OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

AND THOSE WERE ONE TIME BUDGET AMENDMENTS. THOSE WEREN'T ONGOING BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

YEAH, A BUDGET AMENDMENT IS WHAT YOU DO FOR THAT ONE BUDGET THAT ONE YEAR. RIGHT.

SO THEN THAT ADDITIONAL 2, 10 MILLION IS BUILT INTO THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE BUDGETED PER LINE BASED OFF REVISED ESTIMATES.

AND SO I MEAN I'VE, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S. NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T JUST TAKE THE AMENDMENT AND WORK FROM THAT. WE'RE WORKING OFF REVISED ESTIMATES AND ACTUALS AND SO FORTH.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING OFF OF BUDGET TO BUDGET. WE'RE GOING OFF OF, WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO MORE GO ACTUALS REVISED ESTIMATE TO BUDGET.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO WHERE THAT GETS DIFFICULT IS LIKE WE DO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR 25 TO CLOSE THAT OUT, THEN IN CURRENT 26, WE WE STILL HAVE THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFERENCE POINT. SO WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, REOCCURRING COSTS. AND SO ALL 18 MILLION COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT FOR REOCCURRING COSTS AND WE JUST STILL RAN A BALANCED BUDGET. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A NET SAVINGS TO GO TO CIP. THEN WE'RE HEARING THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 40 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF MONIES UNSPENT IN EXISTING CIP. SO I THINK WE WERE THINKING IN ORDER TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE PERSONNEL, WE SHOULD BE UNDER BUDGET FOR WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY SPENDING IN 26 SO WE COULD INCREASE THE BUDGET IN 2027.

SO THAT'S ALL BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN YOUR CASH FLOWS WITH YOUR BIAS ESTIMATES.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU PUSH THAT OVER TO CIP? WELL AGAIN AT ANY ONE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S AS ONE TIME DOLLARS WILL BE RAISED. I MEAN THAT LITTLE, THAT LITTLE DOLLAR BILL I COLLECTED, IT'S A ONE TIME DOLLAR BILL.

SO, SO WE'VE GOT IT, WE'LL PUT IT TOWARDS CIPS.

AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M HAD THE SAME EXACT EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE THOSE EFFICIENCIES ARE BASED OFF OF THE, THIS ONE POSITION WAS VACANT AND THAT ONE PROJECT DIDN'T GO, DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE POSITION IS GOING TO BE VACANT AGAIN THIS NEXT YEAR. I HOPE NOT, BUT IT COULD BE. AND SO EVERY YEAR IS A YEAR BY YEAR PROCESS.

YES SIR, I SEE THAT WE HAVE A LIKE PROPOSED BUDGET OF TOTAL REVENUES OF 280 MILLION ONE TIME DOLLARS IS WHAT I HEARD. THEY'RE ALL ONE TIME DOLLARS SO LIKE WE NEED TO APPROPRIATE HOW MUCH OF THAT 281 TIME DOLLARS THIS NEXT YEAR GO TO THE ONE TIME SPEND FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. WE CALL THEM ONE TIME CIP PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE JUST FINISHED AND THEN THAT ONE CLOSES HOPEFULLY. BUT THEN IN UTILIZING SOME OF THOSE MONIES TO GO TO PERSONNEL, I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN AND LISTEN TO COUNCIL, SEE IF THOSE MONIES NEED TO BE ALLOCATED OR APPROPRIATED FOR PERSONNEL COSTS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE GREATER HEALTH OF THE CITY AND THE ORGANIZATION VERSUS THE CIP PROGRAM.

AGAIN THE CHALLENGE IS YOU'LL BE APPLYING ONE TIME TO AN ONGOING EXPENSE BECAUSE IF YOU

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PUT IT TOWARDS A PAY RAISE, THAT PAY RAISE SHOULDN'T GO AWAY UNLESS YOU GET RID OF THE POSITION IN THE FUTURE YEARS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU BASE YOUR PERSONNEL DECISIONS OFF OF ONGOING REVENUE. AGAIN EVERY YEAR YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION I'M GOING TO CUT 15 POSITIONS.

AND SO THAT IS A YEAR BY YEAR SNAPSHOT, YOU CAN MAKE THOSE ONE TIME DECISIONS KIND OF A THING. BUT BARRING THAT AND SAYING YOU DON'T CUT POSITIONS OR WHATEVER, YOU NEED AN ONGOING REVENUE DEDICATED.

BECAUSE IF POSITION A IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, I GOT TO MAKE SURE I CAN FUND FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. IF YOU DO ONE TIME MONEY TOWARDS THAT, WELL, IN TWO YEARS YOU'LL BE SCRAMBLING TO FIGURE OUT HOW AM I GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

NOW, JUST LIKE THE SAFER GRANT WE HAD TO PLAN, WE GOT THAT GRANT FOR ALL THOSE FIREFIGHTERS, IT'S RUN OUT, SO WE HAVE TO BUILD IT IN NOW.

AND NOW THE TRANSIT AS WELL.

NOW THAT WE'VE LOST THE GRANT MONEY FOR THE TRANSIT, WE'RE HAVING TO NOW ALLOCATE ONGOING REVENUE TOWARDS THAT.

SO THAT'S HOW BUDGETS WORK.

OKAY, WELL, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION ON THAT. SO IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF RIGHT NOW TO KEEP THE ONE TIME MONIES GOING OVER TO CIP AND NOT GIVE RAISES TO THE STAFF? MY RECOMMENDATION IS NEVER TO USE ONE TIME MONEY FOR FORCE FOR PAY RAISES BECAUSE IN TWO YEARS THAT COUNCIL WILL BE LIKE, HOW AM I GOING TO PAY FOR THIS NOW THAT ONE TIME DOLLARS AWAY WENT AWAY. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO A 3% COLA FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES PLUS A LITTLE BIT MONEY TOWARDS THE PAY STUDY PHASE TWO, AND THEN USING, USING ONGOING REVENUE THAT WE'VE SHOWN THE CASH FLOW TO DO THAT, WHICH IS YOUR 6.2 PLUS A MILLION IN SALES TAX TO GO TOWARDS THAT. AND AGAIN THAT TRICKLES OUT ACROSS ALL THE FUNDS FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. AND I MISHEARD EARLIER, I THOUGHT MR. FREEMAN SAID THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED IN THE TOTAL, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF, OF MONEY.

BUT WE DO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO AFFORD THE 3% INCREASE THAT IS IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER. 7.2 MILLION IS A PLACEHOLDER FOR Y' ALL TO HAVE SIGNED. WE HAVEN'T ASSIGNED IT TO ANY DEPARTMENTS. IT'S SITTING IN A COUPLE OF LINE ITEMS TO BE SPREAD WHERE Y' ALL DIRECT US TO.

SO IF YOU SAY YES, 3% COLA, WE THEN TAKE THAT NUMBER AND PUT IT INTO A LITTLE BIT IN THE LIBRARY, A LITTLE BIT IN CPND, A LITTLE BIT IN STREETS, A LITTLE BIT IN WHEREVER. SO WE THEN PUT IT OUT ACROSS THERE AND IT BASICALLY STAYS IN FINANCE UNTIL DECISIONS ARE MADE THIS BUDGET YEAR AND THEN NEXT YEAR IT FLOWS OUT INTO THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS AS A SNAPSHOT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE 268, ALL OF IT IS ACCOUNTED FOR EXCEPT THE 7.2.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.

WELL, A MILLION LESS, BUT YES, IT'S BUILT IN THERE.

WAITING FOR Y' ALL TO TELL US WHERE TO, WHERE TO PLACE IT. IT'S TWO LINE ITEMS IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. RIGHT.

COUNCILMAN, YOU'RE GOOD.

ANY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL? WE STILL GOT PRESCOTT. HE'S STILL LISTENING, IF IT HELPS.

FOR AN EXAMPLE, 5.5.1 MILLION WOULD GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT UP TO 3% MERIT.

MERIT VERSUS COLA COMBINATION HIGH PERFORMERS AND THE NEXT PHASE OF THE GENERAL FUND PAY STUDY, LEAVING 2.1 MILLION TO GO TOWARD ONE TIME CIP. NOT SUPPLEMENTAL. SUPPLEMENTAL, SORRY, SUPPLEMENTAL. OF THE 19 MILLION REQUESTS IN SUPPLEMENTAL, THAT'S NOT A ONE TIME. SOME OF IT IS ONGOING.

SOME OF IT'S ONGOING. SOME OF IT'S ONE TIME.

COUNCIL, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO DIRECT AND HOW MUCH WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST ALLOCATE AND ALLOW TO BE DIRECTED BY STAFF? SO LIKE IN THE 19 MILLION SUPPLEMENTAL, IF WE JUST SAID, HERE'S 2 MILLION LEFT, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT, THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, OR WE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TODAY, TOMORROW? I GUESS SO.

YEP.

COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN, IN TRYING TO DO THAT, OR ARE WE STILL ON THE 3% PIECE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER FURTHER? I'M THINKING, I'M WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S REQUEST OF THE 3%, AND THEN THE STUDY WITH THE RIGHT TO RESERVE.

MAYBE TOMORROW WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT THEN, AND THEN GOING THROUGH THIS LIST OF SUPPLEMENTALS OF THE 2.1 AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAYBE SOMETHING ON THAT SUPPLEMENTAL LIST SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S. WE GOT TO HAVE THAT OR SOMETHING.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SHOOT FOR, YOU KNOW, SETTING US UP FOR SUCCESS ON THE COMPENSATION BY DOING THAT. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'LL HAVE X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND YOU GUYS GO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH.

I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR THE EMPLOYEES AT 3% AND, AND THEN WHATEVER'S LEFT, LET THEM ALLOCATE.

I DIDN'T HAVE HIM UP TO THE MIC, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER PRESCOTT AGREES AS WELL.

WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE HIM SAY THAT JUST, JUST

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FOR THE RECORD. SO I'M SORRY, JUST. I DON'T. I TRUST YOU, STEPHANIE. BUT LET'S HAVE.

JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE LISTENING. I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

OKAY, SO.

DID YOU HEAR THAT, STEPHANIE? YES, SIR.

WE GOT YOU. CAN YOU BRING BACK CONFIRMATION AND MAYBE A LITTLE HIGH LEVEL CLARITY SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS HERE? WE'RE THROWING OUT A LOT OF THINGS. WE'RE IN 25, WE'RE TALKING 26, THIS IS SPEAKING TO 27. SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE, JUST LIKE YOU NORMALLY DO. IF, IF WE WERE TO VOTE THIS IN, WE'RE GOING TO WALK OUT THERE AND MAYBE GIVE THE MEDIA THE HIGHLIGHTS. SO BRING US THOSE HIGHLIGHTS OF, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATION CAN RUN PROVIDE ALL THESE SERVICES BASED ON THESE PROJECTED REVENUES.

HERE'S THE TOTAL, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TOTAL, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN THAT INCLUDES 3% RAISES ACROSS THE BOARD AND THAT INCLUDES THESE RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS. THEN I THINK NOT IN THAT HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION OF WHAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE.

SO HEY, WE'RE STILL, WE STILL HAVE THESE THINGS THAT FIRE WANTED THAT WE COULDN'T GET TO.

WE STILL HAVE THESE THINGS THAT APD WANTED, WE STILL HAVE ALL THESE SUPPLEMENTALS. WE PRIORITIZE PER YOUR DIRECTION.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK IF IT'S PERSONNEL DRIVEN AND THEN COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT AGAIN ON A CLEAN SLATE. AND REALLY I WOULD SAY I DON'T WANT TO LOSE FACT OR I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT EXISTING CIPS BEING ABLE TO GO BACK PRIOR FROM 23 AND FIND SOME SAVINGS TO GET TO THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY CLOSED IN 26 AND WILL CLOSE IN 27 AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON THOSE. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE THAT WE WILL GET TO MORE WORK THAN JUST WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED BASED ON THE HISTORICAL RECORD OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

COUPLE YEARS. NOW I'M STILL LOST IN HOW THE FUND BALANCE HAS BEEN DONE, SO I WOULD HAVE A PERSONAL REQUEST, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CALCULATION. SO LIKE WE NEED TO PICK, YOU KNOW, AND I, I COULD DO THAT JUST WITH STAFF, BUT WE NEED TO PICK A COUPLE FUNDS AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES COUNCIL GIVE OVERSIGHT TO THAT? YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DON'T SEE IT ON THE ACTFIR AND, AND WE CAN'T TIE IT THROUGH EASILY, THEN LIKE HOW WOULD WE EXPLAIN IT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS? SO CAN I GET AN OFFLINE EDUCATION ON HOW YOU'RE COMING UP WITH.

IF I THOUGHT IT WAS 12 MILLION COMING INTO THE YEAR AND IT'S REALLY 10, WHAT DID I NOT HAVE THAT I HAD TO TAKE OUT? SURE, YEAH. WE CAN HAVE LOLA AND KATRINA WORK WITH YOU PARALLEL TO ALL THIS AND ON THAT EFFORT. SO YEAH, WE CAN WORK ON A CLEANED UP VERSION BASED OFF OF WHAT WE GOT SO FAR TODAY.

ANDREW, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FOR THAT? YES.

YEAH, WE'RE GOOD ON THE PERSONNEL AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL RECURRING AND I THINK AFTER LUNCH WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON CIP AND DEBT AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN BASICALLY DO THE SAME THING ON THE CIP SIDE.

BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TOMORROW OF HOW WE RECOMMEND NARROWING IT DOWN BASED ON THE REQUEST.

AND WE AS STAFF, WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR SUPPLEMENTALS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU LIKE. IT'S A BIG LIST. WE CAN. NOW THAT WE KNOW, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT YOUR GUIDANCE ON THE PAY ON THE PERSONNEL, THAT ALLOWS US TO KIND OF KNOW I'VE ONLY GOT THIS MUCH TO WORK WITH SUBMITTALS. SO THAT HELPS US PRIORITIZE THAT LIST. WE CAN WORK ON THAT THIS AFTERNOON AFTER WE BREAK AROUND 2 OR SO TODAY OR SO TO GET THAT GOING. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD SOME THANK YOUS ON THE NEW BUDGET FORMAT. AND PARTICULARLY AS I KNOW WE'VE DONE A HARD WORK ON THE PROJECTIONS.

TO ME THAT IS SO VALUABLE IN SETTING UP NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS REALLY DIGGING IN AND HAVING THOSE ACTUALS.

SO, YOU KNOW, FORECASTING AND DOING THAT. I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, BUT I CAN TELL THAT A LOT OF TIME WAS SPENT ON THAT AND IT JUST MAKES OUR JOB OF THAT SO MUCH EASIER. AND THEN ALSO THE NEW FORMAT, IT'S.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT JUST HAVING THOSE PERCENTAGE CHANGES ON THOSE THREE YEAR PERIOD TO KIND OF SEE TRENDS AND KIND OF WHERE THAT IS IT JUST I THINK VERY HELPFUL FOR ME AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S, THAT'S PROVIDING SOME VALUE OR TO YOU LOOK AT THINGS QUICKLY AS YOU'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET.

BUT I APPRECIATE THOSE MAJOR KUDOS TO JUSTIN AND HIS BUDGET ANALYST FOR ALL THE TIME THEY SPENT.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND THEY MADE THAT HAPPEN.

SO THANK YOU.

AND I KNOW WE WORKED ON THE FTES AND YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF TO GET THAT IN THERE.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

FREEMAN, CAN YOU ALSO, WHEN YOU BRING THAT BACK, SPEAK TO. YOU KNOW WE HAD BUDGET AMENDMENTS PREVIOUSLY

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AND SO WE, WE IDENTIFIED THOSE AS COST OVERRUNS, THAT THOSE ARE COVERED IN CURRENT YEAR. RIGHT.

BECAUSE OF OUR INCREASED REVENUES. SO THAT NOBODY'S OPERATING CURRENTLY WITH A SURPRISE TO COME LATER.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO LOOK FORWARD TO 27 AND GO, OKAY, WELL WE CAN AFFORD THESE 3% INCREASES AND THAT WAS AN ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT WE SPENT OR WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO SPEND IN 26. WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTUAL. THAT WAS OVER AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO. SO BACK TO THAT POINT OF OVERS AND UNDERS, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THEM DEPARTMENTALLY BROKEN DOWN, ARE WE OVERALL GOING TO HIT THOSE ACTUAL NUMBERS THE WAY WE'VE PROJECTED THEM AT THE 263 BASIS? THAT'S OUR GOAL. WE WON'T KNOW TILL WE AUDIT THE BOOKS.

YOU STILL COULD FIND THAT WE NEED A BUDGET AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF POLICE OVERTIME OR SOFTWARE COSTS IN POLICE. WE JUST, IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL IN THAT SENSE. AND WE KNOW WE'RE NOT INCREASING OVERTIME IN POLICE OR FIRE BUDGET GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE POTENTIAL THAT IT GOES OVER.

YOU JUST HOPE OTHER LINE ITEMS OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITH TURNOVER AND STAFF THAT IT NET ZERO. AND HOPEFULLY WE INCREASE OVER OUR SALES POTENTIAL TAX 3% ESTIMATE AND THAT HELPS WITH THOSE OVERRUNS.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT OVERRUN IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

THEN LET'S SPEAK TO THAT.

LET'S CARVE OUT SOME TIME HERE BEFORE WE GET OUT TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, OUR LARGEST DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT THAT THE MOST. NOT FAVORING ANY DEPARTMENT, JUST SAYING IT'S THE MOST IMPACTFUL 50% OF THE JOB, OVER 50% OF YOUR ACTUALS.

RIGHT. SO LET'S SPEAK TO.

OKAY, WE HAD A BUDGET THAT WE WERE WORKING UNDER AND WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT.

YOU GUYS AMENDED THAT PREVIOUSLY. HERE'S OUR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. HERE'S WHERE WE BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO LAND THIS NEW CALCULATION WITH THE 3% INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD. HAS TO CONSIDER THOSE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, PROJECTIONS OF AN ACTUALS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN BUDGET OVER BUDGET. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY OKAY, THIS 3% WOULD BE IN ADDITION.

BUT THEN WE'VE GIVEN NO CONSIDERATION FOR WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR LATER. THAT'S NOT A HEALTHY BUDGET IN MY OPINION. SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE COSTS ARE INCLUDED. AND I'M STILL NOT SUPER CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INCREASING OVERTIME. AND IF YOU GIVE EVERYBODY IN POLICE AND FIRE 3% OVERTIME IS GOING TO GO UP JUST BY DEFAULT BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING PAID MORE. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED BECAUSE WE CAN'T PAY FOR THE NEW AND BUILD UP OVER TIME.

BUT THERE ARE SOME OPERATIONAL CHANGES BEING DONE BY CHIEF HOVER AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S. IT'S HARD TO BUDGET FOR IT TODAY BECAUSE HE'S STILL DOING THAT, BUT HE HAS, HE'S MADE, ALREADY MADE SOME, HE'S MAKING MORE CHANGES THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THAT DRAMATICALLY.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF I'M OKAY WITH IT. I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM CHIEFS, BOTH OF THEM, AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEM. MAKE SURE WE HAVE THEIR, THE, THEIR COMFORT. THEY UNDERSTAND MAYBE IT'S NOT TODAY. MAYBE YOU GUYS NEED TO DO SOME MORE WORK.

I THINK THEY COULD TALK ON IT AFTER LUNCH. JUST KIND OF HIGH LEVEL WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

BUT THEY'RE TRACKING IT MUCH MORE CLOSELY. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS MINIMUM STAFFING, TRAINING, COVERAGE FOR TRAINING, THOSE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR.

AND IF THE COUNCIL FELT MORE COMFORTABLE, WE COULD, WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE, THE SUPPLEMENTAL AFTER THE PERSONNEL, WE COULD APPLY SOME OF THAT TOWARD THOSE OVER TIME LINES AS WELL TO START MAKING UP THAT GAP.

GAP OVER TIME. PUT A LITTLE BIT BACK IN THE BUDGET, A LITTLE BIT BACK IN THE BUDGET TO GET THAT HOLD THERE. AND SO I MEAN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE AS A CITY, OUR STAFF EVERY DAY LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES. THEY'RE ALWAYS WORKING TO COME IN UNDER BUDGET. AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS A GOAL. SO, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK NEXT YEAR.

AND SO, BUT WE, WE CAN START CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT BUDGET LINE A LITTLE BIT THROUGH SUPPLEMENTAL INCREASES.

WE CAN DO THAT.

OKAY. ON THE OTHER ENTERPRISES WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS.

WE'RE HEALTHY. SEWER AND WATER CAN AFFORD THE 3% INCREASE AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SCRUTINIZED QUITE AS DILIGENTLY.

YEAH, THEY'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THEIR SUPPLEMENTAL PORTION OF THEIR SUPPLEMENTAL CAN COVER THE 3, 3%. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS WELL.

I THINK IF WE COULD TAKE THOSE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN THE CIPS AS THEY'RE BROKEN OUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THEIR RATE PAY FOR A LOT OF THEM. WE DO HAVE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND THEN WE HAVE BOND MONIES AND WE STILL HAVE OPEN CIPS. SO THAT CONSIDERATION LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AS LONG AS WE CAN PRIORITIZE PERSONNEL.

BUT THEN BACK OVER IN GENERAL FUND, IF WE, IF WE PRIORITIZE PERSONNEL, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, COUNCIL, IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR 5.5 MILLION IN GENERAL CONSTRUCTION. IF WE NEED A MILLION DOLLARS IN OVERTIME, DO WE DEDUCT THAT AND THAT'S A 4.5 MILLION BUDGET ITEM? NO, IT JUST, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IT'S THE BALANCE OF EVERYTHING. IT'S THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GONE UNDER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GONE OVER AND THEN REVENUE COMING IN IS USUALLY WHAT COVERS. WE HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T REACHED

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THAT CROSSING POINT OF WHERE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COVER THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS AT THIS POINT POINT. BUT.

BUT WE'RE CHIPPING AWAY AT IT. WE'RE MAKING CHANGES OPERATIONALLY AND WE CAN DO CHANGES IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET. WE CAN START CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT. IT'S JUST. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET THERE.

OKAY. AT A HIGH LEVEL. I MEAN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THIS BREAK. BUT FOR PERSONNEL COSTS ACROSS THE THE GENERAL FUND.

ARE WE FINISHING OVER BUDGET IN THAT BECAUSE OF THE OVERTIME AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND WE CAN COME.

WE CAN BRING THIS BACK UP WHEN WE.

YEAH, YEAH WE CAN LOOK AT THEM BRING IT BACK TO YOU.

SO I'LL TALK ABOUT IT MAYBE IN THE OVERTIME. YES.

YEAH WE CAN DO THAT.

SO YEAH, IT'S ABOUT EVEN.

WE HAD 2526 BUDGET 175 MILLION FOR PERSONNEL SERVICES FORECASTING 175 MILLION JUST UNDER THE BUDGETED AMOUNT.

SO IT'S OVERALL THAT CASE WHERE IT'S THE OPEN POSITIONS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR THAT ARE COVERING THAT IS COVERING THE OVERTIME WHICH IS COULD BE A WORSE SCENARIO. YOU COULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO.

BUT THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE IT IS WE'D HAVE TO GO IN AND CUT THOSE POSITIONS. BUT WE DO NEED THOSE POSITIONS WHEN THEY'RE FILLED.

BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO FILL THEM AND WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THERE AT THE OVERTIME DOESN'T COME DOWN.

IT'S A FEATHERING PROCESS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

AND SO TRYING TO BALANCE FILLING VACANT POSITIONS WHILE STILL HAVING THE ABILITY TO OVER TO PAY FOR OVERTIME EVEN BUDGET IF YOU FOR WHERE THIS COUNCIL IS IS WHAT WILL BE WILL BE SETTING THE NEXT COUNCIL UP FOR.

FOR SUCCESS BY BY CHIP A LITTLE BIT THAT OVER TIME WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SUPPLEMENTAL THERE.

WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER PRESCOTT WITH A COMMENT COMMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY. WHY CAN WE NOT CALCULATE OVER TIME? I MEAN I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXACT BUT YEAR ON YEAR WE HAVE AN OVERTIME, YOU KNOW COST. WHY CAN WE NOT BUILD THAT INTO THE BUDGET? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN UNKNOWN? BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TO PUT 20 PEOPLE OUT THERE FOR EXTRA HOURS. WE HAVE A BASE LEVEL OF OVERTIME. WE CAN CALCULATE IF WE KNOW WE'LL HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE OUT ON LEAVE. SO YOU GOT TO FILL THE POSITION. YOU ALSO HAVE MANDATORY TRAINING, THEY HAVE TO GO TO MINIMUM STAFF STAFFING. BUT ON TOP OF THAT IT'S JUST HOWEVER MANY EMERGENCY SITUATIONS COME UP, SOME OF IT'S EVEN BASED ON WEATHER AND WEATHER.

WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY ALSO WE'RE NOT BUDGETING VACANCIES. I MEAN REALLY, IT'S SIX OF ONE, HALF A DOZEN OF ANOTHER. I MEAN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, BECAUSE, I MEAN YOU COULD BUDGET ZERO FOR OVERTIME BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE ALSO NOT BUDGETING VACANCIES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE EITHER. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST FORTUNATE THAT THE VACANCIES ARE PAYING FOR THE OVERTIME.

YEAH, IT'S ULT. IT'S ULTIMATELY MY JOB, ANDREW'S JOB, DONNIE'S, LOLA'S. IT'S ULTIMATELY OUR JOB AS A YEAR PROGRESSES AS WE'RE MONITORING REVENUE COMING IN, EXPENDITURES GOING OUT OVER TIME, VACANCIES. ARE WE, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY OUR BILLS AND THE ABILITY TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET, IF NOT EVEN AMEND IT WITH AVAILABLE REVENUES? THAT'S OUR JOB TO KEEP WORKING ON. THAT IS IF THIS IS RISING. HOW DO I LOAD THIS OVER HERE? THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS. DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THE OVERTIME? IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD JUST TO SEE IF THERE WHAT THE AVERAGE IS.

I MEAN ARE THEY CLOSE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS? YEAH. AND SO LIKE IN YOUR, JUST TO START OFF WITH, I MEAN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SHEETS SHOW ACTUALS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS WORTH AND SO YOU HAVE AT LEAST THREE YEARS RIGHT THERE. WE CAN GET YOU MORE IF YOU LIKE AND SO, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT PER DEPARTMENT THE TREND ON WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LANDING ON OVERTIME EACH, EACH YEAR AND WE CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU AS WELL.

I WOULD ASK, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. I MEAN IF WE CAN PREDICT, YOU KNOW, WITH 80% CERTAINTY OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD AT LEAST. I MEAN WE HAVE IT AS A ZERO RIGHT NOW, ZERO OVERTIMES IN OUR BUDGET AND THEN WE JUST ACCEPT THE RUN, WHATEVER IT IS. IS THAT HOW IT WORKS RIGHT NOW? NO, NO, WE DON'T BUDGET ZERO.

THERE ARE DEFINITELY LINES BUDGETED FOR OVERTIME.

IT JUST HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH. WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED ENOUGH TOWARDS THAT AND WE'RE TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT THAT OVER TIME, I GUESS OVER YEARS. IT GOT AWAY FROM COUNCILS AND MANAGEMENT OVER YEARS SO WE'RE TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT THAT NUMBER OVER TIME.

BUT IF WE BUDGET THAT AND DON'T BUDGET THE. BUT, BUT WE DON'T BUDGET THE VACANCIES THEN I, I MEAN HOW MUCH OVER. WE WERE UP A MILLION AND A HALF IN OVERTIME OVER BUDGET. I MEAN THAT, THAT IN THE BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A MILLION AND A HALF.

THAT COMES SOMEWHERE ELSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET THE FULL AMOUNTS AND NOT BUDGET VACANCIES.

PRESCOTT? YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE. WHAT, WHAT DO OTHER CITIES. WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY OR, OR MUNICIPAL STANDARD FOR CALCULATING OVER TIME?

PRESCOTT HAD SOMETHING.

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BECAUSE FOR AS MANY YEARS AS WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS, WE KNOW WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL TRACK RECORD. WE SURELY CAN GET SOME KIND OF A DELTA IN THERE AND THEN ADJUST AS NEEDED. I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S BIG EVENTS, WHETHER ACTS OF GOD, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET IT CLOSER TO BEING IN THE BUDGET AND ALSO HAVING A METRIC THAT WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF IT, I'D SAY I THINK WE DO TRACK IT WELL AND WE PROBABLY CAN PREDICT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN, THAT'S NOT BEEN THE PRIORITY TO ALLOCATE OUR NEW REVENUE TO.

IT'S BEEN NEW SERVICES, RAISES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS VERSUS TRUING UP OUR OVERTIME TIME BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ABSORB IT EVERY YEAR.

IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. IT DOES.

SO WE COULD NOT DO 5 MILLION WORTH OF RAISES AND WE COULD FIX IT THIS YEAR.

GOTCHA.

ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN? OKAY, PRETTY GOOD STOPPING POINT. LET'S BREAK FOR LUNCH.

WE TAKE 30 MINUTES. THAT'S OKAY. 40. COME BACK AT 1. BACK INTO SESSION. I KNOW WE GOT PRESCOTT BACK ONLINE, SO I THINK AUDIO VIDEO IS ALL GOOD, MS. CITY SECRETARY.

TERRY, YOU GOOD OVER THERE? THUMBS UP. GRAYSON, YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF WITH THIS OR ANDREW, IF YOU CAN LEAD US BACK INTO IT.

YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ON ANDREW STILL.

SO THE REMAINDER AT LEAST FROM STAFF SIDE OF THE AGENDA IS TO GET SOME HIGH LEVEL FEEDBACK. WE TOUCHED ON PERSONNEL AND SUPPLEMENTALS.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK STAFF RECOMMENDATION TOMORROW. WE'D LIKE TO DO THE SAME FOR CIPHER, BUT WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS, PRIORITIES OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT AS WE'RE VETTING ALL THESE PROJECTS, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE 73 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH ONLY ABOUT 12 MILLION TO WORK WITH. SO IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR PROJECT YOU WANT US TO COVER OR HIGHLIGHT, WE CAN TOUCH ON GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE MOST FLEXIBILITY OF WHERE IT CAN GO AND WHAT IT CAN FUND.

FUND AND THEN GET YOUR CONTINUED INPUT AND SUPPORT HOPEFULLY ON OUR OTHER FUNDS, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, SOLID WASTE, THOSE ARE THE MORE BUCKET OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK PROJECTS AS THEY COME AND GET APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL WITH A CONTRACT AND THAT'S DEDUCTED FROM THAT 13 MILLION. SO YOU BASICALLY IN UTILITIES YOU'D HAVE A $13 MILLION PROJECT WITH SUB PROJECTS AGAIN GET APPROVED UNDERNEATH. SO GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND THEN JUST FROM THE DEBT FUNDED PERSPECTIVE OF THE CIPS, WHAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE FIRE APPARATUS PURCHASES AND WHAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT THERE IS FOR THE STREET DEBT AMOUNT BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE'D BE IN THE 20 MILLION RANGE. WE'RE ASKING FOR 42 MILLION SO WE CAN DO THOSE TWO MAJOR COULTER AND OSAGE RECONSTRUCTIONS. SO HAPPY TO GO IN WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO FIRST BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE FEEDBACK WE'RE WANTING NEXT.

WELL I HEARD EARLIER WE MIGHT WANT TO DO POLICE FIRE.

SO WHILE WE'VE GOT THE CHIEFS HERE NOW I'M HEARING WE DO WANT TO TALK HIGH LEVEL OVERALL. I MEAN THE, THE THING THAT JUMPS OFF THAT PAGE IS 29 MILLION IN POLICE AND THAT'S JUST CIP.

YEAH. AND THE BIG THING ABOUT POLICE, IT WAS A PROPOSAL FOR TAKE HOME VEHICLES. IT'S MORE CHALLENGING AND PROBABLY WON'T BE ON THE RECOMMENDATION THIS CYCLE BECAUSE YEAH WE COULD, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CASH FUND IT. YOU COULD CONSIDER DEBT FUNDING A TAKE HOME VEHICLE THAT COVERS YOUR PAYMENT TO PURCHASE IT BUT IT DOESN'T COVER THE MULTI MILLION OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE TO FUEL AND MAINTAIN THAT VEHICLE.

SO THAT ONE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A FEW DISCUSSION THAN BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET KNOWING THAT WE ONLY HAVE 2 MILLION IN SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO GO TOWARD MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF DEBT FUNDED POLICE CARS.

SO TO OUR CITY MANAGERS, IF WE LOOK AT THIS CATEGORY AND WE TAKE THESE TOP FOUR AND THEY'RE JUST THE TOP BECAUSE THEY'RE THE MOST EXPENSIVE.

WE GO POLICE, FIRE, STREETS AND PARKS TO UNDERSTAND MAYBE WHAT ARE THE THE ALMOST HAVE TO'S LIKE WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THIS ON THESE, THESE ITEMS AND THEN ON THE DEBT FUNDING SIDE, HONESTLY I'M NOT CONCERNED. I

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WOULDN'T BE TRYING TO ADDRESS LIKE ARE WE LOOKING AT DEBT FUNDING STREETS OR NOT? LIKE THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAVE THREE YEARS AGO.

LEVEL I WOULD RATHER GET THROUGH OUR OVERALL OVERALL BUDGET. I'D RATHER GET OUR PRIORITIES AND THEN ALLOW COUNCIL MONTHS LATER TO DECIDE ONCE WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS HEADING OUR WAY. HOW MUCH IS THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY GOING TO FORECAST FOR WHAT DOES THE RETURN LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY START PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ENGINEERING OR WHATNOT, OR YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE IT. SO ALL OF THAT IS MUCH LENGTHIER CONVERSATION, NOT REALLY A HIGH LEVEL. SO IF I COULD STAY OFF OF THE DEBT SIDE AND JUST STAY OVER ON HEARING THE PRIORITIES AND THEN GIVE SOME FEEDBACK.

COUNCIL, WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON JUST TAKING THOSE FOUR FOR THIS? YEAH, I LIKE THAT APPROACH.

KIND OF NARROWS IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR US RIGHT NOW. JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT, SAMPLING WHAT THE REQUESTS ARE FOR POLICE, FIRE, STREETS.

OKAY, SO AS FAR AS POLICE.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

SO AS FAR AS POLICE GOES, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE TAKE HOME CAR PROGRAM, THERE WERE LEASE AND PURCHASE OPTIONS IN THERE. SO THAT MADE UP ABOUT 27 MILLION OF IT. THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THERE, THERE'S A POLICE COURTS BUILDING MASTER PLAN FOR ONE AND A HALF MILLION THAT'S REALLY TRYING TO DO A NEEDS ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MUNICIPAL COURT FOR FUTURE NEEDS. BECAUSE WE REPAIRED, WE'VE EXPANDED INTO THE FLOORS THAT WE CAN REMODELED. THEY'RE ABOUT BASICALLY AT CAPACITY NOW. SO PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE FIVE TO 10 YEARS OUT, IS ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS NEEDED? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE? DOES MUNICIPAL COURT NEED TO MOVE OUT SO POLICE CAN TAKE OVER MORE OF THE BUILDING? SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE COVERED IN THAT ONE AND A HALF MILLION IF IT'S APPROVED. THE OTHER POLICE ITEM IS POLICE RADIO ENCRYPTION.

688,000. RIGHT NOW OUR RADIO TRAFFIC IS OPEN TO WHOEVER WANTS TO LISTEN TO IT, WHICH IS CHALLENGING.

SO PAYING FOR THIS WOULD KEEP IT ENCRYPTED SO THE PEOPLE COMMITTING THE CRIMES CAN'T LISTEN IN ON THE POLICE THAT ARE RESPONDING TO THE CRIMES.

SO THAT, THAT COVERS POLICE AS FAR AS FIRE IS CONCERNED.

WE'VE GOT EMS, CARDIAC MONITORS, 55,000. THAT'S A PRETTY NORMAL RECURRING PURCHASE. FIRE APPARATUS EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, 139,000.

THAT'S ALSO MORE OF A REOCCURRING CIP. AND THEN WE'VE GOT. I'LL STAY WITH THE LOWER AMOUNTS FIRST.

BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS, 500,000. THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN ENI ACCOUNT TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR EXISTING FIRE STATIONS, DRIVEWAY AND PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS. 400,000 FOR A SIMILAR PURPOSE, 63,000 FOR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN WE HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION THAT WILL HAVE TO TAKE PLACE FOR OUR PORTABLE RADIOS. THEY ARE BECOMING END OF LIFE, NOT JUST IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT CITYWIDE. SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS SIMILAR TO TAKE HOME VEHICLES OF HOW WE FUND THAT MOVING FORWARD. IS IT A, IS IT A LEASE MODEL, AN OUTRIGHT PURCHASE MODEL THAT IS 2.4 JUST FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT SHARE AND THEN SOME OF THE LARGER ITEMS. FIRE STATION 6 REBUILD WOULD BE 9.1 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE 1. THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL DEBT CONVERSATION. AND THEN FIRE STATION LAND 735,000. THAT WAS GOING TO BE BASICALLY A PLACEHOLDER.

THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR MASTER PLAN FOR FUTURE FIRE STATION SITES, BUT WE NEED THE CAPITAL TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE THEM AHEAD OF TIME. SO 735 ALLOCATED FOR THAT AND THEN I'LL DO ONE CARRYOVER. THAT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY FORM. THAT'S NOT ON THIS LIST BUT IT'S ON YOUR SMALLER PACKET OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. IT'S THE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY CLASSROOM WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 2.5 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE BUILDING A NEW FACILITY OUT ON THE AIRPORT FIRE STATION TRAINING GROUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A COUPLE OF SINGLE WIDE TRAILERS AND THEIR MAXIMUM SEATING ONLY ALLOWS FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER IN THEIR ACADEMIES. IT COULD BE A MIXED USE TRAINING FACILITY FOR POLICE, FIRE, OEM, ACC TO USE FOR TRAINING CLASSROOM SPACE AS WELL. SO THAT'S 2.5.

THAT IS THE TOTAL ONE YEAR OPTIONS AT THIS POINT. WE HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED ANYTHING FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT'S YOUR YEAR ONE OF POLICE FIRE. AND AS FAR AS STREETS, WE'VE GOT ANNUAL ARTERIAL RECONSTRUCTION 30 MILLION DEBT ISSUANCE WITH 12,500,000 FOR STREET RESERVICE FOR A TOTAL OF 42.5 MILLION.

THAT WOULD BE BE DEBT FUNDED AND THEN WE STILL CONTINUE TO CASH FUND 2.5 MILLION FOR OTHER STREET MAINTENANCE NEEDS

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THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO THE, THE STREETS 2.5 IS BUDGETED IN MY GENERAL FUND, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S THAT TRANSFER OUT THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR CASH FLOWS THAT GO TO THE, THE STREET SPECIFICALLY AND THE 12.5 RESURFACING SAYING WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT THREE YEARS RUNNING NOW, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S OUR NORMAL. AND THEN WE'VE DONE ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

TWO YEARS. THIS WOULD BE OUR THIRD YEAR COMING UP.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DONE AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE AERIAL ANNUAL ARTERIAL RECONSTRUCTION.

BUT THIS TIME WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING THE RECONSTRUCTION UP TO 30 MILLION INSTEAD.

COULD WE GET A LITTLE FEEDBACK ON LIKE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS ESPECIALLY SO THAT 30. THE PROBLEM THAT WE SEE WITH STREETS WHEN YOU TAKE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A COULTER OR AN OSAGE IS YOU CAN'T JUST REACH FOR A LITTLE AND I KNOW THAT'S THE TENDENCY HERE.

WELL, LET'S TAKE SIX OUT OF THE 12, YOU KNOW, AND ALLOCATE IT OVER TO COLTER AND THEN LET'S GO BORROW 10 AND GET IT DONE. WELL, DOES THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, IN ANY OF THESE.

OR SEWER AND WATER, SOME OF THE OTHER MONIES, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

COULD WE GET A LITTLE FEEDBACK ON IF THIS COULD BE BITE SIZED AT ALL? BECAUSE THAT IS.

THAT'S JUST AN OVERALL LARGE AMOUNT. OR IF IT CAN'T BE BITE SIZED, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO WALK INTO THAT? BECAUSE I DO THINK WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL AS TO ADDING TO THE. THE INS SIDE.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN DEBT SERVICE? SO LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THE TWO PROJECTS. SO OSAGE AND COLTER WOULD BE THE TWO RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

THERE WAS ONE YEAR WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS, THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AT ALL. IT WAS JUST MAINTENANCE. SO BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAD COULTER AND OSAGE BOTH COMING UP, THE DESIGN IS OVER 90% COMPLETE FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS. SO THE COST ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE PENDING PROBABLE COST IS VERY ACCURATE ON THAT. SO. SO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE NOW. THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH SHOVEL READY AND NEEDED. BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS. WELL, WE KNOW OSAGE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS NOW.

COULTER'S AN EXPANSION AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE READY TO GO. IT'LL BE UP TO YOU GUYS AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THAT OR NOT.

BUT WE'RE DESIGN IS. AM I RIGHT, JERRY? 95. 95% COMPLETE ON THAT. SO THEY'RE READY TO GO IN THE GROUND. DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT UTILITIES SEPARATE FROM THAT, OR DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT STREETS OR WHAT QUESTIONS WOULD YOU HAVE ABOUT.

PROBABLY WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO TOUCH ON THE DRAINAGE PIECE COMING.

OH, THE DRAINAGE PIECE.

YEAH. SO THERE'S. THERE'S A PIECE AND DRAINAGE THAT HAS TO GO WITH THAT FOR BOTH OF THOSE STREETS.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 10 MILLION.

THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE SAME MONEY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FOR BOTH DRAINAGE PROJECTS TO MAKE THOSE COMPLETE.

I THINK WE. WE AND MEANING COUNCIL. PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAS SEEN THAT IN A PROPOSITION THAT PUT FORWARD. WELL, LET'S VOTE FOR THESE SEPARATE. WE DIDN'T GET THE VOTE THAT WE NEEDED FOR BOTH PIECES. AND SO YOU REALLY COULDN'T DO IT. SO THAT'S GOOD TO REPRESENT IT THAT WAY. SO TECHNICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO LARGE, YOU KNOW, MAIN ARTERIALS. OSAGE BEING ONE OF THE WORST CONDITIONS, EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND SO ALL TOGETHER THEY'RE $40 MILLION FOR BOTH.

30.

BUT WITH THE DRAINAGE PIECE, YOU GOT 10.

YEAH, IF YOU ADD THAT FOR THE DRAINAGE PIECE, ABSOLUTELY. 40. YEAH.

OKAY. AND IN THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT, I MEAN YOU GOT THE DRAINAGE RATE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, STREETS IS ON YOUR INS SIDE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY CAPACITY ACCORDING TO BOND COUNCIL ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE OR DO WE NOT KNOW? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD BRING BACK, I GUESS.

YES, YEAH, WE CAN BRING BACK BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT DROP OFF HERE BECAUSE WHEN THESE DEBTS WOULD TAKE EFFECT, YOU START PAYING THEM, IT WILL BE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND THAT'S WHEN WE'VE HAD THE DROP OFF. SO I SAW SOME EMAILS FROM STEPHEN ADAMS HERE. DID IT ADDRESS THAT? OKAY, YES, YEAH. SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS TOMORROW.

OKAY. HIGH LEVEL COUNCIL, IF YOU'RE HEARING THAT, THE GOAL THAT I'M PUSHING FOR IS TO MAINTAIN THAT 10 YEAR PROGRAM THAT WILL CYCLE ITSELF AROUND. SO IF WE CONTINUE ON THE STREETS RESURFACING THE $12 MILLION BORROW WITH WHAT IS A SMALLER DEBT SERVICE FOR OUR ORGANIZATION THEN EVERY YEAR WE DO THAT, NOT ONLY ARE WE CATCHING UP FOR ASPHALT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR AND IMPROVING THE STREET CONDITION, WE'RE PROLONGING THE LIFE OF EXISTING, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT THAT'S OUT THERE SO THAT FUTURE COUNCILS WON'T BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL LIKE THIS ONE WAS. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEBT ROLLING OFF IN 27 FROM ANOTHER BORROW, THEY WOULD HAVE A REOCCURRING EVERY YEAR SERVICE THAT'S BUILT INTO THAT EXISTING RATE

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WITH NO TAX INCREASE. AND SO I WOULD JUST PRIORITIZE THAT AS A GOOD PLAN. WE, WE SAT UP HERE WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN AND WE SAID, WHAT'S YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN? WE GOT A GREAT STRATEGIC PLAN.

WHEN WE ASKED FOR ONE, WHEN WE SAID, LOOK, WE WANT A STRATEGIC PLAN ON STREETS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO CATCH UP AND WHEN WE GET THERE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT? NOW WE NEED TO KEEP THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT.

OUR ROLE IS TO MAKE SURE WE BACK IT AND THEN WE ARE SELLING IT A LITTLE BIT. WE NEED TO SELL IT TO THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE COUNCILS TO SEE THE BENEFIT IN KEEPING THAT PLAN. NOW THE MAIN, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONS TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE. IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER JUST BECAUSE VOLUME MATTERS.

AND I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE DO START LOOKING AT THE COST, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO HEAR STAFF LIKE, WELL, YOU REALLY NEED TO GO EAST BEFORE YOU GO WEST OR VICE VERSA.

AND I THINK ONCE WE BRING BACK THAT, THAT THE DEBT SCHEDULE FORECAST, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WOULD THESE THREE LOOK LIKE ROLLED INTO THAT? DO WE, DOES IT STAY FLAT? DOES A LITTLE BIT INCREASE? IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT INCREASED, YOU CAN DECIDE, YOU KNOW, LET'S. LET'S KNOCK OFF ONE OF THOSE STREETS AND SO THAT WE CAN. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TOMORROW FOR SURE.

I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THAT TOPIC EITHER WITHOUT SAYING THIS. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PLAN WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED, THAT THERE WAS A. IT WAS GOING TO TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET ON TRACK WITH THE PLAN WHERE WE WERE MOVING THROUGH OUR PROCESSES BETTER.

WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE GETTING A PROJECT THAT IS SHOVEL READY. THAT WAS NOT HAPPENING BEFORE. WE WERE GETTING PROJECTS THAT, WELL, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO COST THIS MUCH. AND SO WE WOULD ADD ENGINEERING, WE'D ADD CONSTRUCTION, AND WE'D COME WITH A NUMBER THAT WAS USUALLY ON THE LOW SIDE. NOW WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD NUMBER IN FRONT OF YOU. WHAT WE THINK THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO COST.

AND CPNDE HAS REALLY BEEN STEPPING UP IN THAT. ALLEN HARDER AND PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL, WORKING TOGETHER. SO THAT WHEN WE BRING YOU SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT BUDGET TIME, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE. HERE'S.

HERE'S THE CAVEAT TO THAT, THOUGH. ANYTHING YOU PUSH OFF, YOU CAN PROBABLY COUNT ON. THE PROJECTS STILL NEED TO BE DONE, WHETHER IT'S THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT 6 OR 7% INCREASE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PROBABLY IN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE SAME PROJECT THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE PUSH A YEAR OUT TO DO.

SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

ONLY OTHER REFERENCE WOULD JUST BE IN TALKING KIND OF OVERALL MONIES AND HOW CIPS WORKED.

AT ONE TIME WE HAD $38 MILLION, 34 RECOGNIZED WITH ANOTHER 4 IN INTEREST.

WE'VE NOW ALLOCATED AND MOVED AND PUSHED. WE'VE DONE REPAIRS.

PLUS YOU HAVE GEORGIA. SO IF YOU COULD FORECAST THROUGH GEORGIA, ARE YOU HITTING THAT BUDGET? ARE YOU BRINGING IT IN IF BELOW BUDGET, AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE I THINK THOSE AMOUNTS COULD BE VERY VALUABLE IN US LOOKING AT LIKE, WHAT ALL DO WE WANT TO GO GET? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GEORGIA STREET ITSELF, WHETHER WE'RE COMING IN OVER, UNDER? YES, SIR.

I THINK WE'RE RIGHT ON TRACK RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S PROBABLY PROJECTING THAT IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OVER. AND JERRY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE PROJECTING IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OVER.

SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR US TO KNOW. JUST EYES WIDE OPEN, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GETTING STUFF DONE AT THAT VALUE AND THEN HOW MUCH IS THE INCREASE COST? SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO THIS NEXT ONE, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE AND THEN WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? AND A LOT OF THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE THE PROJECT TO BE OVER.

IT'S JUST THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO DO THAT PROJECT AND COST OF GOODS AS YOU'RE BUILDING THAT OUT TOO.

OKAY, WELL, I HOPE YOU'RE HEARING SUPPORT AND THERE'S INTENTION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT THEN A NEED TO KNOW HOW BIG ARE THESE BITES THAT WE. WE GOT TO TAKE OFF? SURE.

SO ONE THING I THOUGHT. SO JUST REFRESH ME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CULTURE REDO OR WHAT.

WHAT, WHAT PART OF CULTURE IS THAT? YEAH, THIS IS COULTER.

THAT'S BETWEEN SUNDOWN AND THE LOOP HOLLYWOOD. YEAH.

OKAY. AND THEN OSAGE IS, IS FROM 34TH TO 58.

OKAY, GOOD.

WELL, WHEN WE COME BACK TO DISCUSS THIS TOMORROW, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AS WE KIND OF DISCUSS THIS, IF WE CAN GET A REFRESHER ON WHAT OUR DEBT SCHEDULE IS FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

NOT JUST NEXT YEAR, BUT.

OKAY, HOW MUCH DEBT ARE WE HAVING ROLLING OFF YEARS AFTER THAT? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO, AGAIN, AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THE TAXPAYER. AND IF WE, THE GOOD THING IS WE DO.

WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OF IT ROLLING OFF TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T DO IT THIS YEAR WHEN, YOU KNOW, OR IT'S TOO MUCH THIS YEAR, IT'S GOING TO RAISE TAXES, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF DEBT ROLLING OFF? YEAH, THIS SCHEDULE HAS.

THIS SCHEDULE SHOWS ALL EXISTING DEBT IN PERPETUITY TO EACH ONE'S COMPLETED.

YEAH. WELL, I GUESS JUST GIVEN THAT, AND IT'S PROBABLY IN THOSE PRESENTATIONS SOMEWHERE, BUT MAYBE JUST SAYING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS, HOW MUCH DEBT DO WE HAVE ROLLING OFF EACH OF THOSE YEARS THAT WE HAVE CAPACITY, AND THEN ON THE DRAINAGE PART, THE 9.5 MILLION IN DEBT, DO WE HAVE CAPACITY ON THAT OR WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANOTHER RATE INCREASE? THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RATE INCREASE AND POTENTIALLY

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WAITING FOR THE RATES TO BE ESTABLISHED LONG ENOUGH TO ISSUE THE DEBT.

YES, BUT THAT'S TIED DIRECTLY TO THE COULTER OSAGE. THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT CORRECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AS FAR AS OTHER YEAR ONE IN HERE, WE'VE GOT OFFICE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 50,000 OUTDOOR WARNING SIREN SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S THE NORMAL INVESTMENTS INTO OUR SIREN SYSTEM. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A RECURRING REQUEST. AND THEN WE HAVE A 70,000 SPECIAL EVENT EQUIPMENT AND PLANNING SOFTWARE. WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT SPECIAL EVENTS THAT I KNOW SOME OF Y' ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT MAYBE GOT CAUGHT UP IN OUR PROCESS. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE TO GET A NEW SOFTWARE TO HELP TRACK THAT AND DO A BETTER JOB ON COORDINATING THOSE LARGER SPECIAL EVENTS THAT IMPACT MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. ANIMAL MANAGEMENT AND WELFARE. WE'VE GOT 480,000 FOR ANOTHER PHASE OF THE KENNELS PROJECT AND THEN THE ENI 250,000. WE HAVE BEEN COMBINING THE TWO OF THOSE AT TIMES TO BRING PROJECTS FORWARD. WE ACTUALLY ARE PLANNING TO BRING A PROJECT HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO FOR A PHASE OF THE KENNEL PROJECT. SO WE'LL EAT INTO THE ENI FROM THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. SO THIS WOULD BE A CONTINUATION FOR THE FULL KENNEL RENOVATION.

WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSER, I THINK, TO 1.5 IF WE DID THE REST OF IT OR JUST THIS ALLOCATION.

SO THIS WOULD HELP FINISH OUT THE KENNEL RENOVATION PROJECT AS FAR AS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

CONTINUATION OF 250,000.

BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT GRANT PROGRAM. THIS IS A MATCHING.

SO WE'LL INVEST INTO A DILAPIDATED PROPERTY, FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, AND IT'S A MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM. AND THEN 500,000 PROPOSED AS GRANT MATCHING FUNDS FOR ANY CITY DEPARTMENTS. OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS THE.

THE GRANT MANAGEMENT STAFF.

AND IT APPLIES FOR GRANTS.

TYPICALLY THERE'S A MATCH. IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT BUDGETED SOMEWHERE, YOU CAN'T APPLY FOR THE GRANT. SO THAT'S A FAIRLY NEW PROPOSAL. MOVING ON TO FACILITIES. WE'VE GOT THEIR TYPICAL E AND I ACCOUNT, $720,000. THERE ARE BUILDING AUTOMATION, MULTIPLE CITY BUILDINGS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT TOTALS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION.

ELEVATOR UPGRADE FOR SIMS BUILDING 432,000. FLEET SERVICES. DOUBLE KNUCKLE BUCKET TRUCK 180,000. NEW FORKLIFT 45,000. NEW SCISSOR LIFT 35,000. SECURITY CAMERA AND SERVER UPGRADES 96,000. AND THEN THREE HALF TON 4X4 PICKUPS FOR 120,000. SO THAT'S A 2.7 FACILITIES REQUEST. WE TOUCHED ON STREETS. SO MOVING TO TRAFFIC, THEIR OVERALL IS 1.4 MILLION. THAT'S MADE UP OF ARTERIAL STREET LIGHT, 62,000. LED TRAFFIC SIGNAL DISPLAY REPLACEMENT 130,000.

NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONSTRUCTION 600,000. PAVEMENT MARKINGS 65 AND TRAFFIC SIGNAL. ENI ACCOUNT IS 600,000. AS FAR AS PARKS MAINTENANCE, LARGE 22 MILLION NUMBER. A GOOD CHUNK OF IT IS ARTIFICIAL TURF FOR SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST AND MARTIN ROAD SOFTBALL COMPLEX.

AS A PROPOSAL, THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO CONSIDER DEBT FOR IN THE FUTURE IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD. THERE'S ALSO A PLACEHOLDER FOR AQUATIC FACILITY REPLACEMENT. 2.5 MILLION. AND THEN THERE'S VARIOUS THROUGHOUT THERE OF IMPROVEMENTS TO PLAYGROUNDS. WE GOT PUMP STATIONS AND A CENTRAL CONTROL SYSTEM THAT'S ALL RELATED TO IRRIGATION AND PARKS WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG DISCUSSION POINT.

REMOVAL OF PARK RESTROOMS, THE OLDER FACILITIES 250,000.

REPLACING PARK RESTROOM FACILITIES 500,000. AN UPDATE TO THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN 150,000. THEIR TYPICAL E ACCOUNT THAT IS FUNDED 922,000 SO THAT'S ALREADY COVERED. AND THEN FOUR REPLACEMENTS OF PLAYGROUNDS 200,000 APIECE AND ONE IS 500,000. THOMPSON PARK IRRIGATION 200,000.

ORFORD POOL REPLASTERING 500,000 AND ANOTHER REPLACEMENT OF PLAYGROUND MEMORIAL PARK 250,000. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE WE JUST. WE WOULD BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE 11.9 MILLION AND SELECT OPTIONS FROM. FROM THOSE. SOLID WASTE IMPROVEMENT FUND. THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S GOT THEIR OWN DEDICATED FUNDING. SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO FUND ALL THEIR REQUESTS WHICH IS CITIZEN CONVENIENCE CENTERS.

THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKING THE ROLL OFFS AWAY FROM THE LIBRARIES. DEVELOPING A COUPLE OF CONVENIENCE CENTERS THAT ARE STAFFED CERTAIN HOURS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MESS AND THE LEGAL DUMPING THAT TAKES PLACE AROUND THOSE ROLL OFFS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. BUT WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE CONTROL AROUND IT. RESIDENTIAL DUMPSTER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

THIS IS THE CONTINUOUS FUNDING TO REPLACE DARWIN DUMPSTERS 1.5. SOLID WASTE ENI 800,000 AND THEN LANDFILL ENGINEERING

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SERVICES 275,000. WATER AND SEWER, WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT ONE. THE 60 MILLION BOND PROCEEDS FROM THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND THEN THE AVAILABLE CASH 13 MILLION THAT WE WOULD BRING. SUB PROJECTS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE LATEST PRIORITY IS OR IF SOMETHING IS NEEDING REPAIR. DRAINAGE UTILITY TOUCHED ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT THEY ALSO HAVE 800,000 FOR ENI FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT COME UP. FLEET SERVICES 8.5 MILLION. THAT'S THE DEBT FUNDED BY THE O AND M CHARGES TO DEPARTMENTS. WE WILL PROVIDE. I THINK JUST AN EMAIL LIST OF THOSE JUST SO YOU ALL HAVE THEM. OF WHAT IS ON THE ROLLING CYCLE FOR REPLACEMENT CONVENTION CENTER. THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE CAPACITY TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE THAN THIS 1.3 BUT CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ASPHALT REPLACEMENT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION LOT.

CHAIR REPLACEMENT 180,000. ICE PLANT REPAIRS 42,000. THAT'S ANOTHER RECURRING LINE ITEM.

NEW COLISEUM SOUND SYSTEM 300,000 WATER MAIN TO PROVIDE A BACKUP MAIN.

CURRENTLY IF ONE OF OUR MAINS GO OUT WE DON'T HAVE WATER TO THE BUILDING. SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT 400,000 AND THEN COMPONENT UPGRADES TO THE SOUND FOR THE GLOBE NEWS CENTER AUDITORIUM AT 160,000. KEEP GOING. GOT ONE MORE. AIRPORT FUND CURRENTLY AT 3.9. WE'RE STILL EVALUATING THEIR LIST. WE'VE GOT A NEW ONE THAT I'LL EMAIL OUT TO YOU.

IT'S UP TO 5.2 MILLION. NOW WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE THAT ARE TIED TO GRANT WITH FEDERAL AID. BUT ONE I KNOW Y' ALL WILL BE CURIOUS CURIOUS ABOUT IS A PART 150 NOISE STUDY THAT'S RELATED TO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS GOING IN AROUND THE AIRPORT AND UPDATING OUR CONTOURS. SO THAT GETS US GOING ON THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT. THERE'S A FIRE STATION STUDY, GIS IMPLEMENTATION, CIVIL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ARF SIMULATOR FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN VARIOUS THINGS. CARPET REPLACEMENT, MOWING, TRACTOR WITH DECK, PREFERRED CANOPIES AND THE PREFERRED LAW LOT FOR COVERED PARKING AND VARIOUS HEAVY EQUIPMENT, FORKLIFT, COOLING TOWER. AND THEN THERE IS THE ALBERS $300,000 GRANT FOR ELECTRIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR THEIR FACILITY AND THEN 160,000 TOWARD BUILDING DEMOLISHING BUILDINGS. SO LOTS OF REQUESTS THAT WE CAN BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TOMORROW.

BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ON THIS LIST THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS. I KNOW WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE AT LEAST A HIGH LEVEL NUMBER ON THE WILLIAMS GROUP REQUEST THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE.

WE DO, YEAH, WE RECEIVED THAT NUMBER I BELIEVE ON FRIDAY IS WHEN WE RECEIVED THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR THE SEWER MAIN EXTENSION THAT THEY REQUESTED.

WE PARTICIPATE IN THAT NUMBER CAME IN AT JUST SHY OF $3 MILLION FOR THAT.

BUT AGAIN IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE LIST, THE UTILITIES HAS $13 MILLION TO USE FOR THAT. IT'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LIST THAT WE HAVE CLOSE TO. IF YOU LOOK OUT OVER THE FIVE YEAR LOOK OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, IT'S CLOSE TO 500 MILLION. AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS.

COUNCIL, I'LL ASK, DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF IN THE CIP OR YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON OR APPROACHED UNDERNEATH THAT YOU NEED TO BRING FORWARD ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? OKAY. SO I THINK THE CLARITY NEEDS TO COME BACK TO DIFFERENTIATING OF FUNDS AND THEN WE NEED TO IDENTIFY POTENTIALS. SOME OF THESE ARE BORROWED. I THINK THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE RATE AND THE IMPACT. BUT THEN THE OTHERS ARE CASH FUNDED. AND SO IF WE ARE GOING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS ON WE PRIORITIZE PERSONNEL, WE'RE LOOKING HERE, WE'VE GOT THESE ACTUALS WITH PROJECTIONS. HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO. HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING GO TOWARDS THESE FUNDS.

GENERAL FUND OR WHATEVER.

SHORTEN THIS LIST TO WHERE IT'S, IT'S MORE CLEAR ON, ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PRIORITIZING.

YES, SIR. A CONSTRAINT. AND A CONSTRAINT LIST TO THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LIKE 11.9 MILLION WILL BRING YOU JUST 11.9 MILLION OF REQUESTS FOR GENERAL FUND, FOR EXAMPLE.

OKAY, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEPARTMENT CHIEF PEOPLE LIKE THAT, RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEN WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE COUNSEL FROM YOU GUYS.

LIKE, IS, IS THERE, IS THERE A GOAL TO GET MORE DONE AND STRETCH THE DOLLARS AND GET A BUNCH OF THE SMALLER ONES KIND OF WIPED OFF OR DO WE PICK ONE IN.

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IN THE LIST OF 20 BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND IT GETS ONE THING DONE. SO JUST IN HOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD, PARKS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. YOU CAN PICK ONE PARK PROJECT AND SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT AS IF YOU PROBABLY DID 10 OF THE OTHER SMALLER PROJECTS.

SO THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR COUNCIL TO HELP DIRECT. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY DIRECTION ON THAT, IT'D BE GOOD FOR STAFF TO HEAR THAT.

OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'RE REALLY JUST RELYING ON YOUR DIRECTOR. SO IF KISHUBA FEELS LIKE THE BEST THING FOR HIM IS TO GET TO 10 DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE TOWN FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY VERSUS WELL, LET'S GET THIS ONE ITEM OUT OF THE WAY. WE'LL LISTEN TO THAT. BUT THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO TRY TO DIRECT ANY OF IT.

I WOULDN'T MIND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THESE BATHROOMS IF WE'RE NEVER GOING TO REOPEN THEM AGAIN. JUST SAYING MAKE SURE. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, BUT LET'S, LET'S JUST. IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE THE ONES WE NEED TO DO, LET'S DO. IF WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE. NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT LET'S LISTEN. LET'S JUST TAKE SOMETHING OFF THE TABLE.

THAT HAS BEEN A POPULAR TOPIC.

SO IS IRRIGATION AND PARKS.

SO, YEAH, WE'RE. WE'LL KEEP THOSE IN MIND.

YEAH. THE REASON THAT PARKS LIST IS SO EXTENSIVE IS BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY REQUESTED FROM COUNCIL. LET'S SEE IT ALL.

LET'S SEE WHAT ALL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE DONE. WELL, THAT'S THE 22 MILLION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND WE, AND WE CAN BASICALLY, WE WILL DO A CASH CONSTRAINT AND YOU CAN STILL GO THROUGH THE LIST. AND ONCE WE HAVE THE DEBT ROLL OFF DISCUSSION, MAYBE THERE'S CAPACITY TO DO ANOTHER PROJECT. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

AM I CORRECT IN REMEMBERING WITH PARKS, WE MOVED $2 MILLION OVER THERE AND THAT WAS DEBT, CAPACITY THEY'VE BEEN USING SOME OF THEIR CAPACITY FOR DEBT THAT COMES FROM THE O AND M SIDE. AND THEN THEY HAVE 922, 922,000 A LOT LEFT FOR ONE TIME CASH CAPITAL.

SO THAT 900,000 THAT'S OVER THERE DOESN'T GO TOWARDS DEBT? NO, IT IS IN THE AIR. AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THEY BRING SUB PROJECTS BACK DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

SO THAT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THAT WAS PUSHED FORWARD FOR THAT DEBT SERVICE IN ORDER TO GET TO A LOT OF PARKS PROJECTS. IT'S AT CAPACITY NOW.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE HIGH LEVEL? ACTUALLY DAVID TEXTED ME FROM HIS ROUTE I GUESS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET BACK ON THE SPEAKER, BUT AND HIS QUESTION WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SPACE AT CITY HALL COULD BE CONVERTED FOR A TRAINING ROOM FOR FIRE.

BUT ALSO IS DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PLANS IN THE FUTURE FOR SPECIFIC THE SPACE IN THIS BUILDING OR IS THAT STILL. YOU CAN ANSWER HIS GREAT QUESTION FIRST.

BUT NO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE CAPACITY TO DEVELOP THE SPACE. IT'S ACTUALLY CITY HALL IS BUILT FOR THAT KIND OF AN EXPANSION. THE CHALLENGE FOR LIKE TRAINING FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T HAVE THE PARKING FOR FIRE TRUCKS TO BE STAGED AROUND HERE. THAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGE IN THAT SCENARIO.

AND THEY DO ALL THEIR FIELD EXERCISES AND THE TRAINING TOWER. SO IT JUST WORKS TO PUT THE FACILITY OUT THERE.

YEAH, GREAT QUESTION, DAVID.

THERE'S YOUR ANSWER.

NOW AS FAR AS CITY HALL, I THINK RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THE WORK WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS RELATED TO THE SECOND FLOOR FRONT SPACE FOR INTERNAL AUDIT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN ON THAT.

SHOULD HAVE THAT DONE HERE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH AND THEN CONSTRUCTION ON THAT STARTING SHORTLY THEREAFTER.

BUT NO ADDITIONAL PLANS AT THIS TIME TO REQUEST FUNDING TO FINISH OUT ANOTHER SPACE.

OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, SO WHILE WE'RE HERE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, STILL KIND OF THE, THE POLICE AND FIRE TOPIC.

WE'RE LISTENING TO SOME OF THE REPORT. WHAT WE DIDN'T GIVE ANY TIME TO IS THE TAKE HOME VEHICLES.

WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? WHERE WOULD WE SEE THE ROI THERE? AND THEN I THINK OVER ON THE FIRESIDE FLEET GETS CONFUSING. THERE'S BEEN DEBT SERVICE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN THAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED IN THE FUTURE IN THE CURRENT RATE. THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

ON TOP OF THAT, THIS NEXT YEAR I BELIEVE IS FOUR MORE TRUCKS AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A TWO YEAR BREAK OF NOT ISSUING DEBT AND THEN WE'LL START BACK UP AGAIN JUST TO REFRESH ON THE FLEET FLEET.

THAT'S A GREAT THING TO BRING UP IS THE WAY THAT WE STRUCTURED THAT WAS WE BASICALLY TAKE EACH YEAR'S LOAN AND BALLOON IT UP FRONT. AND SO YOU HAVE A BIG PAYMENT AND THEN IT GOES TO SMALLER PAYMENT IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. SO THIS YEAR TWO BIG PAYMENT FOR THE NEXT LOAN, THEN SMALL PAYMENTS GOING FORWARD. SO WE'VE ALREADY BASICALLY SET OUR

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RATE FOR APPARATUSES. NOW OBVIOUSLY IF COSTS GO UP, WE'LL HAVE TO MAYBE INCREMENT, BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO STEP UP NEW RATES, NEW RATES BECAUSE YOU BUILT IT ALL UP FRONT. SO IT WAS VERY GOOD WAY OF DOING THIS.

I AGREE. AND SO JUST IN THIS, WAS IT 7 MILLION OR 8 MILLION THAT WAS REQUESTED? IS THAT BUILT INTO THE RATE OR WOULD THAT BE AN ADDITIONAL RATE? THE FIRE DEBT SCHEDULE PLAN.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE. WE MAY HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TOMORROW.

WE'LL HAVE TO PULL IT UP.

DO WE, OR DO WE WANT TO.

LET'S SHIFT INTO PUBLIC SAFETY HERE FOR A MINUTE IF WE COULD, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET OUR CHIEF UP HERE, START WITH POLICE, MAYBE HEAR SOME OF THEIR, THEIR PRIORITIES, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY, THEY NEED TO KEEP IT FRONT AND CENTER.

WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START? WELL, LET'S START WITH THE EXPENSIVE ONE.

SO YOU'RE INTERESTED IN CIP DISCUSSION? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THAT AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO TRANSITION FROM THERE TO YOUR OTHER REQUESTS THAT AND THEN REALLY IF I CAN FIGURE OUT, FINISH DEPENDING ON HOW THIS CONVERSATION NAVIGATES, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OVERALL BUDGET DISCUSSION. COMFORT IN KNOWING WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO SPEND OVER THERE VERSUS WHAT THE REALITY LOOKS LIKE IN RUNNING A CRIME FIGHTING ORGANIZATION.

SO YEAH, THE TAKE HOME VEHICLES IS A VERY, VERY LARGE PURCHASE HISTORICALLY. IT'S HARD TO START THAT BECAUSE OF SUCH A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE UP FRONT. BUT EVERY ORGANIZATION THAT I'VE SEEN DO IT, THEY DON'T GO BACK. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE COST SAVINGS THEY SEE LONGEVITY WISE, WHETHER IT'S FIVE OR 10 YEARS ON TOP OF THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUDIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. THE FIRST ONE IS OUT OF TACOMA, WASHINGTON.

THAT WAS BACK IN 2012 AND THERE'S BEEN SOME OTHERS SINCE THEN. I SPOKE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH IN LUBBOCK WHO I THINK IT WAS ABOUT MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO THEY WENT THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. AND THE COST SAVINGS THAT THEY'RE SEEING IS ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE, THE STRETCHING OUT OF THE, OF THE ITEM ITSELF. YOU'RE GOING FROM A PATROL CAR THAT USUALLY LASTS MAYBE ABOUT THREE YEARS BASED UPON HOW CONSTANTLY WE RUN THOSE THINGS UP TO ABOUT SEVEN, MAYBE EVEN EIGHT YEARS, KIND OF DEPENDING UPON HOW OFTEN IT'S USED. SAME THING WITH THE OTHER VEHICLES. YOU MIGHT GET SOME OF OUR CID VEHICLES OR SOME OF OUR ADMIN VEHICLES FROM A FOUR OR FIVE YEAR ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT A 10, 10 YEAR. THE OTHER COST SAVINGS THAT'S IN THERE IS THE STUFF THAT GOES IN THOSE CARS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE MODELS CHANGE. BECAUSE THE THINGS CHANGE, WHETHER IT'S THE CAGE THAT'S INSIDE THE VEHICLE OR THE EXTRA EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THERE, THOSE ARE COST SAVINGS TOO THAT YOU'RE NOT REPEATING EVERY YEAR, EVERY TIME YOU GET A NEW VEHICLE, BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY USING THOSE THINGS.

THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL COST SAVINGS TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

ONE IS, ON AVERAGE, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS RECEIVED WAS A 13 DAYS. SO AN OFFICER GETS READY FOR THEIR SHIFT, THEY GO OUT TO THEIR CAR, THEY GOT TO INSPECT IT, THEY GOT TO PUT THEIR STUFF IN THE CAR AND THEN THEY'RE READY TO GO. ON AVERAGE, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS EACH YEAR AN OFFICER SPENDS 13 OF THEIR DAYS, THEIR 10 HOUR SHIFT, SO 13, 130 HOURS OF DOING THAT EACH YEAR. SO THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS THERE BY THE EFFECTIVENESS AND THE EFFICIENCY OF JUST GETTING IN THEIR CAR, GOING TO THAT CALL FOR SERVICE. THE OTHER ONE IS THE LONGEVITY PART OF IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT DIVERSIFYING A FLEET LIKE THAT, YOU'RE MOVING IT FROM ONE CENTRAL LOCATION AND YOU'RE SPREADING IT OUT. SO WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF OUR NATURAL DISASTERS THAT HAPPEN HERE, WHETHER IT'S FIRE OR THE OTHER, HAIL, HAIL DAMAGES OR TORNADOES, YOU EXPAND YOUR FLEET BY PUTTING IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. YOU'RE NOT ALL PUTTING YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET AND HOPING THAT ONE AREA DOESN'T GET HIT. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF CHALLENGES. BUT WHEN SOME OF THOSE NATURAL DISASTERS HAPPEN AND THEN REALLY THIS IS MORE OF THE SOFT SIDE OF IT, IT'S ABOUT A FEELING, RIGHT? YOU'RE SEEING MORE SQUAD CARS, YOU'RE SEEING THAT FEAR OF CRIME. WHEN PEOPLE SEE MORE CARS OUT THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY, THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE A PRESENCE, HAVE A VISIBLE PRESENCE.

THAT'S JUST NOT NATURALLY THERE WHEN WE'RE TRADING CARS CONSTANTLY, IT'S A BIG COST.

BUT EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THE CHIEFS THAT I'VE TALKED TO, WHETHER IT'S LUBBOCK OR OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR IN ROUND ROCK, ALL THOSE HAVE GONE TO THOSE, THEY HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND THEY'RE. BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING THE COST SAVINGS.

COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THAT.

DO YOU SEE THAT SMALLER DEPARTMENTS ARE REALLY THE ONES THAT ARE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS. THE BIG HURDLE IS WE'RE SUCH A LARGE DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HADN'T BUILT IT UP FROM KIND OF TIMES PAST, IT'S REALLY HARD TO BUY THE FARM. DOES THIS NUMBER REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF LIKE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE OR IS THIS A SMALL AMOUNT OF WHAT

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WE WOULD BE GETTING INTO? SO THERE'S REALLY $29 MILLION OR I'M SORRY, 27, 24 OF IT WOULD BE DOING HOW MUCH OF IT? YEAH, THE PURCHASE OPTION HERE SHOWS 24.1. I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING.

BUT WE DO HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN WHERE IT COULD BE PHASED.

IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT HOW WE FUND THE O AND M SIDE IF WE WERE TO DO A DEBT ISSUANCE AND THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CAR AS WELL.

DO WE HAVE ANY CAPACITY IN OUR STRUCTURE FOR OUR FLEET PURCHASES WHERE WE WERE BUYING POLICE VEHICLES? WE DON'T. SO THAT'S TAKING CARE OF OTHER VEHICLES, OTHER FLEET? YES.

SO RIGHT NOW WOULD WE STILL BE CASH FUNDING POLICE VEHICLES MOVING FORWARD? YEAH. AND THE LAST, THE LAST CYCLE WE DID WERE LEASE PAYMENT WITH O AND M SIDE TO PAY FOR IT. AND WE BUILT INTO THE LEASE THE MAINTENANCE AND FUEL PIECE OF IT. SO THERE WOULD BE A SHIFT TOO OF HOW MANY WE GO WITH BECAUSE WE GET GOT NEW VEHICLES THAT WE NEED TO PHASE OUT. SO YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO REPLACE THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE EXISTING FLEET CURRENTLY THAT YOU NEED TO CYCLE THROUGH.

SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO IDENTIFIED PAYMENT, RIGHT? THERE'S NO FUNDING AVAILABLE? NO SIR. NOW THIS ONE, IF YOU'RE DOING THE PURCHASE, IT'D BE LIKE THE FIRE TRUCKS OF PPFC TYPE DEBT ISSUANCE AND THEN FINDING OUT THE FUEL. WE NEED TO STILL RUN SOME NUMBERS.

RIGHT NOW THE VEHICLES ARE STILL USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF FUEL DRIVING AROUND TOWN.

THE ONLY ADDITIONAL WOULD BE DRIVING AT HOME AND WHEREVER THEY DRIVE IT WHEN THEY'RE OFF DUTY. BUT IT'S FIGURING OUT THE MAINTENANCE WHICH LIKE YOU SAID, SHOULD BE LOWER.

BUT YOU STILL NEED TO BUDGET A LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE FOR 150 NEW CARS. JUST THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, TIRES, OIL CHANGES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO THE 24 MILLION REFLECTS 150 NEW VEHICLES.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ACTUAL TOTAL.

175.

175, 75, YEAH.

AND THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE CURRENT FLEET? YES SIR.

IN ORDER TO GIVE EVERYBODY LIKE WHAT THEY WOULD TAKE HOME.

IT'S NOT JUST A FLEET, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE SOME SPECIALTY VEHICLES, WHETHER IT'S UNDERCOVER VEHICLES, VEHICLES OR ARMOR, MOTORCYCLES AND SOME OTHER ONES.

SO MY LAST QUESTION ON THIS WOULD BE, IS THERE ANY, ANY SMALL AREA WHERE YOU COULD IMPLEMENT THIS WHERE IT'S KIND OF ISOLATED AND IT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE? WE COULD LOOK FOR FUNDING FOR THAT AND IT WOULD. YOU COULD GROW IT FROM THERE OR IS IT, IS IT AN ALL OR NONE? NO, I THINK YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO IT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE CAN START SMALL AND WORK WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS TO GET THAT STARTED. THE PATROL IS THE LARGEST BULK OF WHAT IT IS, BUT PATROL WOULD ALSO BE THE LARGEST COST SAVINGS AS WELL.

SO I'M LOOKING AT FIRE APPARATUS, LET'S SAY, AS WE HAVE THOSE ONES THAT ARE COMING ON, WE ALREADY FACTOR IN SOME ADDITIONAL COST INCREASES.

AND SO A LOT OF WHAT YOUR DEBT RATIO IS PER YOUR DEBT SERVICE AMOUNT, IT'S PRETTY SMALL WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, WELL, IF WE, IF WE BORROWED 7 MILLION VERSUS 8 MILLION, THAT AMOUNT OF IMPACT IN THE DEBT SERVICE FOR, FOR THIS. SO WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO DO A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUANCE AND START KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BITE SIZING THAT PIECE INTO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING ON THAT OTHER.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK WE COULD WORK WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS TO SEE, I THINK POLICE VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED IN THAT PPFCO.

YES, I BELIEVE SO.

SO, YEAH, WE COULD. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ISSUING DEBT EVERY YEAR ANYWAYS FOR FIREBIRDS, WE COULD ADD A NUMBER OF POLICE CARS TO THAT. AND THEN AS WE'RE REPLACING APPARATUS, WE'RE ALSO REPLACING POLICE CARS, GET INTO A ROTATION PROGRAM. NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE ROTATION BECAUSE POLICE CARS DON'T LAST AS LONG AS FIRE APPARATUSES.

SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT PIECE OUT WITH FINANCIAL ADVISORS BECAUSE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE'VE SAID BEFORE. YOU DON'T WANT YOUR DEBT. YOU'RE ONLY PAYING DEBT ON A CAR YOU GOT RID OF TWO YEARS AGO. SO WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT REVOLVING SCHEDULE FIGURED OUT. BUT THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.

SO COUNCIL, I DON'T. I MEAN, WE CAN SHUT IT DOWN AND WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST NOT LOOK AT IT.

LET'S JUST CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE WAY WE'VE BEEN GOING.

BUT WHAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN IS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE PENNY, THAT'S GOING TO EQUATE TO 1.6 MILLION. THAT 1.6 MILLION WOULD BE A DEBT SERVICE PIECE THAT WOULD BUY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT IN THIS SCENARIO IT'D BE 10, $12 MILLION WORTH OF BUYING POWER. SO IF YOU WERE GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE, SAY 9/10 OF A PENNY TO AFFORD EVERYTHING ON SAY WHAT YOU NEEDED FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS AND YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND PUSH THAT FROM NINE, NINE TENTHS UP TO THE FULL PENNY. YOU'D BE ABLE TO START WALKING YOUR WAY INTO THIS. IS THAT. IS THAT MONEY WELL SPENT? IT COULD BE IN SOME COST SAVINGS

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IN THE FUTURE.

AND THE NICE THING IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT IN THIS RIGHT TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IN LIKE A FEBRUARY BOND ISSUANCE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO.

WELL, AND THAT'S ALSO HOW YOU CAN GROW INTO YOUR O AND M BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T GET THESE VEHICLES RIGHT AWAY. SO IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WHERE YOU BUILD IN THE O AND M SIDE.

WE HAD HOPED THAT WHAT WE WOULD SEE IS WE WOULD TAKE A PENNY FROM AN ADD TO THE INS SIDE THAT WOULD EQUATE TO A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.

RIGHT. WORTH OF. WORTH OF PAYING POWER SO WE COULD HAVE DEBT SERVICE OF A MILLION AND A HALF. WE WERE HOPING WE WOULD SEE A SAVINGS OUT OF CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR, FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS OF THE SAME MILLION AND A HALF WHERE IT'S LIKE, OH, I DON'T HAVE TO GO BUY ALL THOSE NOW. AND SO WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT. IF WE CAN GET CLOSER TO THAT, I THINK IT ALLOWS COUNCIL TO STRETCH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WITH THIS PLAN. QUESTIONS? SO JUST GOING BACK TO THE PLAN ITSELF. SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE ALLOWING A SINGLE OFFICER TO HAVE THEIR OWN CAR OR. AND OTHER PEOPLE I GUESS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. AND SO INSTEAD OF A CAR RUNNING TWO OR THREE SHIFTS A DAY, THEY'RE RUNNING ONE SHIFT AND DOES THAT ALLOW A CAR TO OPERATE MORE SHIFTS LONGER THAN. SO THERE SHOULD BE A SAVINGS ON THAT PART OF IT AND BEING ABLE TO LAST LONGER. SO. AND I SEE THE OTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING THE VISIBILITY AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS OFFICER ALSO WOULD TAKE PRIDE IN BECAUSE IT'S HIS CAR OR HER CAR TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. AND WHERE ARE WE CURRENTLY? SO NOW THE CARS THAT WE USUALLY PURCHASE, HOW ARE WE. OR LEASE, WHERE'S THAT BEING PAID OUT OF IT WOULD COME FROM THE FLEET. TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND TO THE FLEET. SOME OF IT WAS A LEASE PAYMENT MODEL THAT WE SHIPPED TO. THE REST WAS CASH OUTRIGHT PURCHASE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF COMING OUT OF ALL OUT OF GENERAL FUND.

ALL OUT. SO. SO BUT IF WE SWITCH IT TO PURCHASING THE CARS ON THE DEBT PART OF IT INS FREES UP THAT PIECE.

OKAY, YES, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE.

BUT IT FREES UP THAT PIECE.

BUT THEN WE FIND MORE TO SPEND ON IT AND, AND THEN WE STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND WE'LL HAVE MORE CARS TO MAINTAIN, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'RE TAKING BETTER CARE OF SO THEY DON'T NEED AS MUCH MAINTENANCE.

SO THEORETICALLY IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAVE US MONEY, IT JUST GIVES US THIS, THAT MONEY TO SPEND SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU NOW GET MORE STUFF DONE? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WE GOT THE ELECTRONIC WATER METERS AND THEN, BUT, BUT WE DIDN'T WIND UP REALLY SAVING ANYTHING THERE. I GUESS WE JUST TRANSFERRED.

WE REASSIGNED THE PEOPLE RESOURCES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PATROL VEHICLES? SO YOUR REQUEST LIST OUTSIDE OF YOUR GENERAL BUDGET, YOU WANT TO PICK A FEW, TELL US KIND OF WHAT YOUR BIG NEEDS ARE, WHERE YOU REALLY NEED US TO FOCUS AND LOOK FOR SOME MONIES.

YEAH, I'LL HIT THE TWO THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE. BECAUSE I KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP THAT ARE ON THE CIP, BUT THEY GO ALSO ON MY SUPPLEMENTAL. THE FIRST ONE IS RADIO ENCRYPTION. IT'S AN OFFICER SAFETY DEAL. IN 2025 YOU HAD 90 OFFICERS THAT WERE AMBUSHED. IN 2024 IT WAS 67. THOSE NUMBERS ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE. AND WHY DOES RADIO ENCRYPTION IMPORTANT? IT'S JUST FOR THAT. NOT ONLY IS THAT INFORMATION GETTING BROADCAST OF THEIR OFFICERS LOCATIONS, BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING. I WATCHED RECENTLY A BODY WORN CAMERA JUST ON A NORMAL REVIEW THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE BY A CITIZEN CONCERNED ABOUT SOME VEHICLES THAT WERE DOING BAD BEHAVIOR, DOING SPIN OUT OR DOING BURNOUTS IN A CERTAIN SPOT AS WELL, SHOOTING GUNS IN THE AIR. THEY SAID THEY KNOW WHEN YOU'RE COMING. THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE RADIO. IN FACT, THEY'RE EVEN, I CAN EVEN HEAR THEM HAVING THAT RADIO PLAY AND KNOWING EXACTLY WHEN THEY LEAVE, WHEN WE GET DISPATCHED TO THOSE CALLS. NOW THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A GOOD GETAWAY, RIGHT.

BUT IT CAN OBVIOUSLY BE USED FOR VERY NEGATIVE ACTIONS AGAINST THE OFFICERS AND WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR APPROACH TO THINGS AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT PREPARED. AND SO IT'S A HUGE CHALLENGE FOR ME TO HAVE THOSE RADIO CHANNELS THAT ARE WIDE OPEN. THE OTHER ONE IS JUST THE MISINFORMATION WHEN THOSE INFO, WHEN THE INFORMATION IS BEING BROADCAST BY AI, RIGHT? YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE AI ATTACHED TO THOSE RADIO CHANNELS AND THEY'RE PUSHING THAT INFORMATION OUT. WHETHER IT'S THE TEXT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS CORRECT, WHEN THEIR AI CAPTURES THAT INFORMATION OR JUST THE VOICE ITSELF. THINGS CHANGE DURING A CALL FOR SERVICE. THE SUSPECT VEHICLE CHANGES, THE SUSPECT VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION CHANGES. BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL RADIO BROADCAST OR FROM THE ACTUAL WITNESS. AND SO THOSE CAUSE A LOT OF CONCERN FOR CITIZENS WHEN THEY'RE.

WHEN WE'RE NOT CHASING THE RIGHT CAR OR THEY'RE CHASING A CAR THAT'S INVOLVED JUST

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BECAUSE THEY HEAR IT AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACED WITH THE RADIO ENCRYPTION MOVING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THE ORGANIZATION LOOKS LIKE, AND I'M REFERRING TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES OVER A LITTLE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I GUESS, IS WHEN WE HAD OUR POWER GO OUT AND THEN THE BIG GENERATOR KICKED IN. THAT FAILED VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE IT OVERHEATED.

THAT GENERATOR IS EXTREMELY OLD. BUT THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS THAT GENERATOR ISN'T SET UP TO RUN THAT BUILDING AT AN NECESSARY WAY FOR US TO FUNCTION. IF WE LOST POWER, IT'S NOT WIRED CORRECTLY.

THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THAT, BY THAT GENERATOR WHEN IT, WHEN IT KICKS OFF.

AND WE'RE CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT LOSING THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR DRIVING PAD.

WE SHARE THAT WITH THE AIRPORT AND OF COURSE WE WANT THEM TO BUILD OUT AND GET A. GET A GOOD TENANT IN THERE AND MAKING MONEY, BUT THAT, THAT AFFECTS OUR TRAINING LOCATION. SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I REALLY NEED TO START FOCUSING ON OVERALL AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE FIRING RANGE OR SHOOTING RANGE THAT HAS A LOT OF UPDATES THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE. THAT'S WHY I THINK THE. THE MASTER PLAN FOR MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, MAYBE EVEN LONGER. OUR OTHER.

OUR BUILDING ITSELF IS AGING.

THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WE HAVEN'T QUITE FINISHED ALL OF THE UPDATES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ASKS. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW CHALLENGING THAT BUILDING IS TO MAINTAIN. AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR THE FUTURE? GOING INTO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES OF WELLNESS, MYSELF AS WELL AS FIRE CHIEF MAYS HAVE SOME COMBINED EFFORTS AS FAR AS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY WELLNESS. I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NEXT WEEK TO APPLY FOR A GRANT FOR TWO CLINICIANS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THOSE CLINICIANS WILL COVER ALL, EVERYONE WHO WEARS A BADGE, AS WELL AS COMMUNICATIONS. THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT IS TO GIVE BACK TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES OPERATING AT THAT OPTIMAL LEVEL. AND IN DOING SO, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU'LL SEE ON THERE IS A CAR, BASICALLY TWO CARS FOR THOSE.

IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE EMPLOYEES SO THEY CAN MOVE IN AND AROUND THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROVIDE THOSE THINGS, IT'S A TWO YEAR PILOT PROGRAM IS WHAT I'VE APPLIED FOR. THE FIRST YEAR IS REALLY ABOUT LEGIT LOGISTICS, ABOUT GETTING SET UP. IT'S THE SECOND YEAR IS WHERE THEY CAN START TO HELP THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WEAR, WEAR THE BADGE AND HAVE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE STRESS ON A REGULAR BASIS. BUT PART OF THAT ALSO IS A SHARED VISION.

MYSELF AND CHIEF MAYS WITH THE PROTEIN TACTICAL, I PUT $75,000 ON MY BUDGET AS WELL AS CHIEF MAYS. BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT IT'S A PHYSICAL THERAPIST. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT ON COST SAVINGS FOR WORKERS COMP CLAIMS. IF WE MOVE ALL OF OUR OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS OVER TO THIS LOCATION. ONE, IT HAPPENS FAST. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR AN APPOINTMENT. TWO, THEY BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE DOCTORS. WE HOPE TO IMPROVE THE SPEED AT WHICH OUR PEOPLE ARE DOWN OR INJURED THAT THEY CAN GET BACK TO WORK FASTER. SO WHILE IT'S ONLY $150,000, I EXPECT THAT TO BE COST SAVINGS ON THE WORKERS COMP SIDE AS WELL AS SOME OTHER EMPLOYEES INJURIES AS WELL AS OVERTIME, HAVING TO PAY FOR THE OTHER OFF DUTY THAT THEY'RE. I'M SORRY, THE OTHER OVERTIME TO COVER THOSE SHIFTS WHEN THOSE FOLKS GET INJURED. THOSE HAVE BEEN MY, MY MAIN PRIORITIES. I COULD CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW ON THERE WAS A LIST OF ABOUT 30 DIFFERENT OPTIONS OR 30 DIFFERENT THINGS. MY GOAL WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE IS LOOKING AT WHAT I REFER TO AS PETS.

IT'S PEOPLE OR PERSONNEL, EQUIPMENT. T IS TRAINING AND THEN THE S IS SOFTWARE, LOOKING AT WHAT OF OUR CAPABILITIES ARE IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE AREAS.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO STRESS JUST THE EQUIPMENT SIDE OF IT. WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? THAT'S ARMOR. THE. THE TWO DIFFERENT ARMORED CARS. WE GOT ONE THAT'S AGING VERY, VERY WELL. IT'S WELL, WELL PAST ITS PRIME. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OTHER CHALLENGES SUCH AS THE ROOK.

WE HAVE CHALLENGES HERE IN AMARILLO BECAUSE WE GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THE WAY WHEN WE HAVE TO SERVE THESE WARRANTS, THESE HIGH, HIGH RISK WARRANTS. AND A ROOK IS BASICALLY JUST A, AN ARMORED TRACTOR, IF YOU WILL, TO MOVE THINGS OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN PROPERLY ASSESS THE SITUATION AND GET OUR PERSONNEL THERE TO THE LOCATION THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT FASTER AND A LITTLE BIT SAFER.

BUT YEAH, YOU'LL SEE THE LAUNDRY LIST OF STUFF ON THERE. I DON'T EXPECT ALL THAT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THERE TO SHOW YOU OVER TIME WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT THE PRIORITIES, WHAT I'VE SEEN ARE THOSE ONES THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THOSE TOP FIVE THINGS QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, THE, THE GRANT PROGRAM THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT FOR THE, THE TWO PERSON. IS THAT, IS THAT FOR MENTAL HEALTH? YES, YES.

OKAY, GOOD, THANK YOU.

THE RADIO ENCRYPTION WOULD BE YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, RIGHT? IT IS.

BESIDES CARS. CARS IS A CHALLENGE TOO. I NEED, WE'RE HAVING CARS AND I THINK, I THINK THE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE GONE THERE, HAVE SHOWN THE COST SAVINGS.

IT DOESN'T TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS UNTIL YOU START SEEING THE SAVINGS.

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AND I THINK WE JUST LOST DAVID. COUNCILOR PRESCOTT. SO IF WE'RE READY TO GO TO ONE OTHER TOPIC I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT IT, WHICH IS THE OVERTIME.

CAN YOU KIND OF WALK THROUGH KIND OF WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO KIND OF MANAGE THAT? YEAH, SO I DIVE PRETTY DEEP INTO THAT.

BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR AS FAR AS THAT MONEY IS CONCERNED. AND THAT'S ONE INCLINATION OF BEING UNDERSTAFFED IN A SPOT. THE OTHER ONE IS LOOKING AT HOW OFTEN OUR OFFICERS ARE RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR SERVICE AND WHAT DOES THEIR DAY TO DAY ACTIVITY MEAN, HOW MUCH OF THEIR TIME IS OCCUPIED.

OCCUPIED. AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE OVERTIME, I LOOKED AT IT HOURS. HOURS IS EASIER TO TRANSLATE THAN IT IS ON MONEY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOUR, HOURLY RATE EACH ONE'S MAKING.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE HOURS ITSELF AND WE'LL GET ON TO THE BOTTOM LEVEL AS FAR AS THE PAY IS CONCERNED. BUT I LOOKED AT THE TIME BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST AND THE END OF APRIL OF APRIL THIS YEAR AND IT WAS ABOUT 29,000 HOURS, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT 14.5 OFFICERS.

OFFICERS.

THE OPPORTUNITY THAT. SO THAT'S AN INDICATION TO ME, OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S JUST ON STAFFING, MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT, THAT'S 50% OF OUR OVERALL OVERTIME IS USED JUST TO GET UP TO THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF STAFFING, TO COVER OUR BEATS AND TO COVER OUR NORMAL PATROL ACTIVITIES.

THAT'S NOT EXTRA, THAT'S JUST TO GET THEM TO THE BASELINE.

AND OF THAT, IF YOU DID SOME SIMPLE MATH, WHICH IS JUST TALKING ABOUT HOURS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE SOME SHIFTS ARE BUSIER THAN OTHERS. BUT IF YOU JUST USE THE BOTTOM LINE OF THAT 29,000 HOURS, IT'S 14 OFFICERS. SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND, THAT WAS ONE PART OF WHY I NEEDED TO DO A STAFFING ANALYSIS AS WELL OF WHAT PATROL LOOKS LIKE. THE OTHER PART ABOUT THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IS OVERALL, LIKE I SAID, THE TIME USAGE, HOW OFTEN ARE THEY BUSY DURING THEIR SHIFT? BEST PRACTICES SUGGEST THAT OFFICERS ARE ONLY BUSY 50% OF THEIR DAY. WHEN I LOOKED AT OURS, WE'RE CLOSE TO 75% OF OUR DAYS OCCUPIED. THAT MEANS LESS THAN 25% OF THEIR DAY THEY CAN USE FOR PROACTIVITY, MAKING TRAFFIC STOPS, VISITING WITH OUR COMMUNITY, SOME OTHER TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT THAT'S CHALLENGING BECAUSE THAT MEANS ONE, I GOT TWO PROBLEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS MY OFFICERS ARE RUNNING CALL TO CALL TO CALL TO CALL.

AND THE SECOND PART IS THEY'RE BURNING AT BOTH ENDS BECAUSE THEY'RE AT MINIMUMS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND HAVING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO TRY TO COME IN AND FILL IN FOR THOSE THINGS. SO YOU GOT A MORALE CHALLENGE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO DO ANYTHING EXTRA BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST HANGING ON JUST TO GET THROUGH THE DAY BECAUSE EVERY MINUTE OF A LARGE PORTION OF THEIR DAY IS OCCUPIED, DOING SOMETHING WORK RELATED WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF DOWNTIME TO CATCH THE BREATH. OKAY, NOW LET'S GO LOOK FOR THAT CAR THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. OR LET'S GO ADDRESS THAT CHALLENGING INTERSECTION THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO DO IT. SO THOSE TWO KIND OF EQUATE TO EACH OTHER. THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW HOW TO DO IT IS OBVIOUSLY ADDING STAFFING. AND I'VE STARTED TO DO THAT THE FIRST TIME IN MAY WHEN I DID THE REORGANIZATION. I WAS ABLE TO PUT WE WENT FROM 19 SERGEANTS UP TO 24 SERGEANTS. I ADDED ANOTHER LIEUTENANT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES AS FAR AS NOT HAVING ENOUGH SUPER ON PATROL. AND THEN I ADDED, I BELIEVE IT WAS NINE MORE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO THE OVERALL STAFFING LEVELS TO PATROL. MY HOPE IS TO ADD THE NEXT ANOTHER EIGHT THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN FIELD TRAINING TO BRING US UP TO ABOUT 144.

DOING THE STAFFING STUDY USING AN OUTSIDE RESOURCE JUST FOR PATROL ALONE SUGGESTED THAT WE HAD ABOUT 150 TODAY AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE THAT NUMBER OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS BASED UPON GROWTH OF THE ORGANIZATION AND GROWTH OF THE CITY UP TO ABOUT 174.

THAT'S WHERE THAT 42 OFFICERS THAT YOU SAW SOME OF THE CHALLENGES TO DO THAT ARE AMARILLO ISD.

AS THEY CONTINUE TO GROW THEIR ORGANIZATION, WE WERE ABLE TO RECRUIT SOME OF THOSE OFFICERS. SO WITH OUR CURRENT NUMBER OF STAFFING, I CAN GET CLOSE TO THAT 150 AS FAR AS PUSHING THOSE OFFICERS BACK IN PATROL.

OVER THE NEXT PROBABLY 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS, THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE, AND DO WE ADD AN ADDITIONAL 22 BODIES TO MAKE THAT UP TO THAT SEVEN? 172, 174. IT'S A LONG WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNEW ABOUT THE. THE REORGANIZATION.

HOW.

HOW ARE WE. ARE WE MAKING ADVANCES ON. ON GETTING CLOSER TO THE TYPE OF STAFF THAT YOU NEED? YEAH, SO.

SO AS I MENTIONED, I ADDED ABOUT 25 OFFICERS ALREADY BACK TO THAT PATROL. SOME OF THOSE ARE SUPERVISORS. MY LAST GROUP THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD OUTSIDE OF THIS EIGHT THAT WILL GET FINISHED HERE PROBABLY JANUARY. THERE'S ONE MORE GROUP THAT I HAVE SCHEDULED TO ADD ANOTHER SIX SUPERVISORS AS WELL AS ANOTHER.

I THINK IT'S NINE OFFICERS TO BRING ME UP TO ABOUT 150, MAYBE 148.

IS THE CHAIR YOU MAY BE REFERENCING ACTUALLY BEING FULLY STAFFED

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OF OUR SWORN OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET. WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO HITTING THAT. MAYBE THE NEXT ACADEMY OR TWO, DEPENDING ON ATTRITION. WE'RE CLOSE.

I GOT 13 OPENINGS RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, 13 OPENINGS.

AND I THINK IT. I MEAN, IN THE. NOT RECENT PAST, WE WERE LIKE TRIPLE THAT.

30 TO 40.

SO OVERALL, LIKE, REALLY GOOD PROGRESS IN TURNING THE CORNER THERE.

IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

GOOD. THANK YOU.

IF YOU'RE DOWN TO 13 OPENINGS, FULLY STAFFED.

WELL, ONCE WE FILL THOSE 13.

SO WHAT THAT.

YEAH. THAT'S OUR ONLY.

WHAT DO WE CONSIDER FULLY STAFFED? EVERY SWORN. THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

ALL RIGHT.

SO RIGHT NOW, FIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE OVER HIRING IN THEIR ACADEMIES, TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT.

SO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR BUDGET. SO YOU CAME IN AND IT WAS ALREADY KIND OF DONE, AND YOU'RE HAVING TO EVAL. YOU'RE FINDING SOME EFFICIENCIES. I KNOW YOUR LEADERSHIP OVER THE ORGANIZATION IN, I THINK, PROACTIVITY TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN SOME OF THE DEPLOYMENTS. THE TACTICAL APPROACH IS GREAT.

YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE. TRY TO EQUIP YOU WITH THE BUDGET THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP GOING IN THOSE DIRECTIONS. SO IF YOU SPEND 65 OR 66 MILLION TO RUN THAT ORGANIZATION, I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING. IF YOU SPEND 72 TO GET ALL THAT DONE. AND SO LIKE IN. IN THE WAY IN WHICH THAT BUDGET MOVED LEFT TO RIGHT AND WE GOT LOST A LITTLE BIT. WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO HEAR IS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS BUDGET BOOK? ARE THOSE YOUR NUMBERS? ARE THEY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR ACTUAL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE? WE UNDERSTAND THE OVERTIME ISSUE.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT POLICE WORK IS, IS NOT FORECASTED TO EASILY IN A LOT OF WAYS.

BUT GIVE US YOUR COMFORT LEVEL ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.

THERE'S FOUR AREAS OF MY CONCERN AND IT GOES BACK INTO AS YOU GROW ORGANIZATION, ESPECIALLY AS YOU MOVE THEM BACK INTO THOSE UNIFORM SECTIONS.

CLOTHING IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER AND BECAUSE OF THE INFLUX, RIGHT.

WE'RE HAVING FOLKS GET FIRED OR RETIRE. AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE BRINGING ON AND THAT CHANGES THAT CLOTHING ALLOWANCE PRETTY DRASTICALLY.

THAT'S ONE OF MY CHALLENGES, TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE UNIFORMS. BUT LIKE I CAN'T REISSUE THE SAME OLD UNIFORMS AS THE GUYS THAT ARE TURNING THEM IN. AND THOSE THINGS, THEY ONLY LAST ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

FIVE IS A STRETCH. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE THINGS ARE ONLY REALLY LASTING ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO TO FOUR YEARS JUST BECAUSE OF THE SUN, THE WEATHER CONDITIONS AND HOW THEY JUST DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OF THEM.

SO THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH FASTER.

THE OTHER ONE IS A COMMUNICATION SIDE WITH THE ADDING OF THE CELL PHONES. THERE'S SOME COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. EVERY ONE OF OUR CARS HAVE A CELL SIGNAL, MORE THAN ONE AT TIMES BECAUSE THERE'S THE MDT AS WELL AS THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THE VEHICLE. THOSE COSTS HAVE CONTINUED TO RISE JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THE MARKET LOOKS AT IT. AND THEN SOFTWARE, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, SOFTWARE IS A CHALLENGE. I DO BELIEVE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO REDUCE WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT WE'VE ALSO ADDED TO IT WITH THE NEW RMS SYSTEM WITH AXON WHEN THAT BILL COMES DUE, WHICH IS NOT TOO LONG AGO AFTER WE FINALIZE OF CHECKING OFF, WHICH HAS BEEN A WHOLE NOTHER CHALLENGE TO BEGIN WITH. BUT ONCE WE MOVE PAST THAT AND WE ACTUALLY CHECK OFF ON THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDITION. IT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO RAISE IT A LITTLE BIT. WE DO HAVE SOME OVERLAP ON SOME SOFTWARE THAT I'M, I'M HOPEFUL TO GET RID OF JUST BECAUSE WE, WE TESTED IT OUT AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE DOING A 30 DAY REVIEW OF IT. WE DID IT, WE SIGNED A CONTRACT AND IT'S BEEN A MULTI YEAR THING. SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, MAYBE 30 TO $40,000.

THERE'S SOME OTHER GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO FIND AND LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER. BUT THE MOMENT THAT WE FIND THAT, THAT CHEAPER ONE IS THE MOMENT THEY GET MORE POPULAR, THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE ARE. SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES BUILT IN WITH THOSE, THOSE FOUR MAIN TOPIC AREAS.

AND TRAINING IS ANOTHER ONE.

TRAINING IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.

WE HAVE SOME OF THESE STATE MANDATED, UNFUNDED, STATE MANDATED THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND WELL, AMARILLO, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT ISOLATED, SO THAT, THAT REQUIRES MORE OF THAT TRAVEL TO GET TO THOSE LOCATIONS. AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE, THOSE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ARE GOING UP.

THERE'S BEEN IDEAS OF TRYING TO BRING IN SOME OF THOSE INSTRUCTORS TO BE HERE, BUT IT'S NOT NEARLY AS EFFECTIVE AS I WAS HOPING IT FOR. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT YOU JUST. IT ALMOST COMES REALLY CLOSE TO BREAKING EVEN. I COULD GET PROBABLY 10 PEOPLE IN THERE AT THE SAME COST OF BRINGING AN INSTRUCTOR IN, BUT I NEED MORE THAN 10 PEOPLE

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TO GO. SO, YEAH, THERE ARE SOME FUNDS, SOME.

SOME LINE ITEMS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH. YOU MENTIONED OVERTIME, BUT MY GOALS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE START TO FALL OFF AT LEAST LOWER BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR. I JUST CAN'T GUARANTEE IT RIGHT NOW JUST BECAUSE I. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE COST SAVINGS FOR.

IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET THAT OVERTIME DOWN.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF COUNSEL? OKAY, WELL, WE WILL.

WE'LL BE DILIGENT ON OUR SIDE LOOKING FOR SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL REQUESTS OR SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS. WE'RE HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE RADIO ENCRYPTION, FOR SURE AND A FEW OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW, THE COUNCIL WOULD TRY TO TAKE OVER THAT NEW DIRECTION ON, ON THE PATROL VEHICLE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PERSONALIZING THOSE.

I THINK WE NEED QUITE A BIT MORE TIME WITH THAT ONE. SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK IF WE PRIORITIZE THAT DOWN LOWER, WE LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE DEPARTMENT OVER THERE TO BE BETTER SPENT.

BUT NOT THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IT. I JUST THINK IT'S. IT'S A REALLY LARGE.

IN THEIR SUPPLEMENTAL LIST.

IT'S IN KIND OF THE RECURRING BUCKET. A LOT OF THEIRS IS ONE TIME EQUIPMENT PURCHASES WE CAN USE THAT 12 MILLION TOWARD. SO THAT'S HELPFUL FROM A ONE TIME FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.

OKAY, CHIEF, THANK YOU. YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OR.

GOOD. OKAY, APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU WANT TO GET OUR OTHER CHIEF UP HERE AND JUMP RIGHT INTO FIRE.

AFTERNOON, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

CAN WE KIND OF GO IN THE SAME ORDER? JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT EQUIPMENT AND MAYBE WHAT YOUR CIP REQUEST LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN IF WE CAN GO THROUGH ANY. IF YOU HAVE YOUR SUPPLEMENTALS, YOU KIND OF WANT TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THOSE.

THERE WE GO. MY APPROACH, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY SHORT SIGHTED AND KNOWING THAT WE'RE ONE OF 30 SOMETHING DEPARTMENTS SO YOU KNOW, ANYTIME WE PUT OURS UP THERE I FEEL LIKE OUR YES IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S NO.

BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS PURELY FROM A FIRE PROTECTION STANDPOINT PRETTY MUCH I KEEP IT SIMPLE AND I TRY TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT WITH MY TEAM BACK THERE.

FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OUR FOUR CONTINUAL GOALS ON PAGE 128 WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN A STANDARD AND A CULTURE OF EXCELLENCE. WE'RE TRYING TO GOAL TWO IS INCREASE ALS CAPABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE DO THAT PRIMARILY THROUGH PARAMEDIC TRAINING.

THREE IS ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY AND LET THEM INTO OUR WORLD.

UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING WE DO COSTS SO MUCH MONEY. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN TRACE THAT DOLLAR AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO BESIDES PUTTING OUT FIRES AND EVEN IF THEY'RE AWARE THAT WE RESPOND TO MEDICAL CALLS. FOUR IS MORE OF A VISION STATEMENT THAN IT IS A REALITY. BUT IT IS, IS TRYING TO KEEP PACE WITH A GROWING CITY, KEEPING OUR DEPARTMENT IN ON PACE. SO I DO, I HAVE SOME. SO THROUGH THOSE I'VE GOT OVERTIME, I'VE GOT. I CAN GET INTO, I CAN GET INTO THE. SOME OF OUR SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS WHICH A LOT OF THAT REALLY DICTATES.

OUR REQUEST MAINLY FROM OUR APPROACH WAS IT WAS TRYING TO TRUE UP CERTAIN AREAS THAT I FELT LIKE WE WERE. WE'RE ABLE TO DIAL IN WHAT WE ANTICIPATE SPENDING BASED ON PRIOR YEARS AND SO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THAT OR DO YOU RUN THROUGH? NO.

YEAH, GO AHEAD AND HIT THE ONES THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

LIKE FOR US FROM OUR SUPPLEMENTAL GOT THEM BROKEN DOWN. PRIORITIZES ONE OR INDIVIDUALLY. AS CHIEF HOVER MENTIONED, OUR TOP REQUEST WAS IT WAS THAT PRO TEAM TACTICAL AND IT WAS JUST LIKE HE SAID, HE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ARTICULATING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE MENTAL AND THAT'S THE THING IF IT HELPS GET YOU BACK PHYSICALLY AND YOU'RE BACK REJOINING YOUR CREW OR YOUR SECOND FAMILY. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO ADD TO THIS POINT IS THE MENTAL HEALTH THAT IS SOME OF THAT STRAIN WHILE YOU'RE SEPARATED. AND THE THING THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF PURPOSE IN LIFE IS THAT JOB AND WHEN YOU'RE NOT WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING AND DOING THERAPY. SO I DO WANT TO ADD THAT I REALLY THINK THAT I'M REALLY PROUD OF OUR PARTNERSHIP IN THAT WHETHER THAT'S GRANTED OR NOT.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TEAM. EVEN SHARING HOW WE DO CRITICAL INCIDENT STRESS MANAGEMENT WITH THEM. I THINK I JUST SEE NOTHING BUT A BRIGHT FUTURE, US PARTNERING TOGETHER AS PUBLIC SAFETY, TRUE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THAT REGARD. SO, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE CONCEPT OF TRYING TO TRUE UP OUR BUDGET FROM WHERE WHAT. WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WITH SOFTWARE, THE COST IS GOING UP. EVERY.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME

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SOFTWARE PROGRAMS AS THEY DIAL IN AND GET MORE EFFICIENT ON WHAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH, THEN WE FIND AN AREA WHERE THAT WILL PLUG INTO FIRE SAFETY AND THAT WILL HELP US AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO SO. AND THAT MIGHT BE HOW WE MANAGE OUR FLEET. WE DID HAVE A FLEET. WE WERE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY ON THAT. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES MADE. AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR REQUEST IS TO COME UP WITH 15 GRAND TO, TO COME TO HAVE OUR FLEET SOFTWARE FOR THAT. WE'VE GOT A PREPLANNED SOFTWARE THAT BASICALLY LETS THAT INSECT COMMANDER KNOW OF EVERYTHING HE'S GOING TO NEED. YOU KNOW, THE, IF THEY GO TO APARTMENT BUILDING, LETS THEM KNOW WHERE THE UTILITIES, THE. THE LAYOUT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AS WELL AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME INCIDENT COMMAND SOFTWARE CHANGES. AND SO THAT, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD TICKET THERE AT 79,000 FOR THAT. THE. WE DID ADD IN HERE TO TRUE UP OUR BUDGET ANOTHER 1.3 MILLION TO WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IN OVERTIME. AND YOU KNOW, AND I CAN GET. I'LL BREAK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A LITTLE BIT. 56,000 FOR TWO LINE ITEMS, ONE FOR AUTO PARTS AND FOR TIRES.

WE KNOW THAT HELP IS ON THE WAY ONCE THOSE FIRE TRUCKS DO ARRIVE. THE SIX ENGINES THAT WERE THE FIRST YEAR OF THAT PLAN, THE TWO LADDERS, THE LADDER 14 THAT WAS ALREADY IN ROUTE, THE THREE ENGINES THAT WE'VE ORDERED THAT Y' ALL APPROVED THIS LAST GO AROUND THIS UPCOMING YEAR, ANOTHER FOUR ENGINES WE'LL NEED THERE. BUT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE'RE SEEING A HUGE, A PRETTY GOOD JUMP I GUESS COMPARATIVELY IN OUR TIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, SO WE DID PUT THAT IN OUR SUPPLEMENTAL TRAVEL AND TUITION. THOSE ARE SOME MORE AREAS WHERE WE'RE TRUING UP OUR CLOTHING.

WE'RE ABLE TO.

ONE THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT INTERNALLY THERE TO BE TO TRY TO FIND SOME COST SAVINGS IS AS PROVIDERS AND VENDORS CHANGE, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE TO DIFFERENT FIBERS FOR OUR CLOTHING. MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE JUST FIT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND IT'S TREMENDOUSLY CHEAPER THAN SOME OF THE. THAT WHAT WE'RE SWIPING SOME OF THE THINGS. THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SWITCH TO IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE. WE'RE NOT SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS AN ASK.

WE TRY TO REALLOCATE WHAT WE CAN DO AND TRY TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. SO THAT'S IT ON MAINLY ON OUR, OUR BIGGEST TICKET IS IT'S SET OVER TO UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME.

1.3 MILLION FOR OPS. FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAD ABOUT 30 GRAND THAT WE WANTED TO AND I KNOW IT'S A SMALL TICKET IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING BUT IT WAS TO TRUE UP THAT BUDGET. LET'S SEE AND AS FAR AS IN OUR CIP.

AS MR. FREEMAN MENTIONED, THE TRAINING FACILITY IS A HUGE ASK 2.5. I'D REALLY LIKE TO DIAL IN MORE ON THAT NUMBER IF WE, IF WE COULD CUT A LITTLE BIT ASIDE TO GET SOME PLANS DRAWN UP TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE WE IF IT'S VALUE ENGINEERING OR WHATEVER. I'M NOT ASKING FOR A TAJ MAHAL AND I KNOW IT'S A HIGH PRICE FOR TRAINING FACILITY BUT WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN THE BEST THAT WE CAN OUT OF THE SINGLE WIDE TRAILERS THAT WE'VE HAD THERE. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY FROM A FIRE STANDPOINT IF WE WERE EVER TO BUILD STATIONS, IF I EVER WANTED TO REALLY KEEP PACE, COME COMFORTABLY WITH THE BY ADDING CREWS. MY CHOKE POINT RIGHT NOW IS THAT SINGLE WIDE TRAINING. THE CLASSROOM RIGHT NOW WHERE I IF WE HIRE SMALL ENOUGH GUYS I CAN FIT 26 STUDENTS IN THERE. AND ON THAT NOTE AND I THINK THIS WILL GET US INTO 40% OF OUR COST OR 38 TO BE MORE ACCURATE ON OUR OVERTIME IT'S MINIMAL STAFFING.

AND ONE THING WHILE ON PAPER WE'VE BEEN OVER HIRED FOR SEVERAL YEARS BUT WE DON'T REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BENEFIT OF BEING OVER HIRED UNTIL THEY HIT THE STREET. SO SIX MONTH PROCESS FROM HIRING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VARYING ATTRITION RATES. WE HAVE RETIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO BY THE TIME THEY GO TO THE TRUCK, WELL WE MIGHT HAVE LOST. WE WANT OVER HIRED ON PAPER BY MAYBE 10 AND WE'RE MAYBE 8 UNDER BY THE TIME THAT JULY OR THE SUMMER ROLLS AROUND WHEN THEY GO TO THE TRUCK. ONE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THIS HIRING LIST FOR THE TEST LAST ENTRANCE EXAM LAST MONTH IS WE HAD A PRETTY. IT'S A PROMISING GROUP OF CERTIFIED SO WE TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT LIST AND HIRE ALL OF THE CERTIFIED AND ME DISCUSSING WITH MR. PATH YESTERDAY THAT THE AUTHORIZATION FOR AN OVER HIRE OF 10 PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BRING US TO 322 TEMPORARILY THAT'D BE A HIRE OF 18.

BUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING SIX MONTHS TO CERTIFY SOMEBODY OFF THE STREET THAT WOULD ALLOW US JUST A SIX WEEK ORIENTATION AND GET THEM TO FIRE TRUCKS. SO THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT AND WE'RE 8 DOWN CURRENTLY AS WE SIT. AND THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US THEN TO GO BACK JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR THEREABOUTS AND THEN HIRE ALL THE UNCERTIFIED OR WHAT WE WILL NEED TO FILL AND MAKE FOR THAT'LL BE A FIRE ACADEMY NUMBER SIX. SO THAT WITH THERE BEING ABOUT ONE 1.35 MILLION AND JUST THAT'S A BIG CHUNK

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OF OUR OVERTIME IS JUST FOR THAT MINIMAL STAFFING.

SOME OF OUR BIGGER TICKET AND WE WENT FROM WHEN I, WHEN I WAS SELECTED AS CHIEF SIX YEARS AGO WE HAD ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 LEAVE CODES TO HELP US TRACK WHEREVER DOLLAR IS SPENT ON OUR OVERTIME. AND WE'VE EXPANDED THAT TO 41 LEAVE CODES. SO IF, IF WE EVER NEED TO DIG DOWN AND DETERMINE WHERE IS THIS MONEY GOING, DO WE NEED TO MAKE CUTS AND IF SO WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE YOU 41 DATA POINTS ON WHERE WE'RE SPENDING OUR OVERTIME FUNDS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST JUST IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE LINE IS IT'S, IT'S FOR STATE ASSIGNMENTS AND THE BACK FILLING OF THOSE STATE ASSIGNMENTS THAT'S ALMOST, THAT'S TO ATTUNE ABOUT 1POINT MILLION. BUT ALL OF THAT IS REIMBURSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO IF YOU TAKE THAT OFF OF THERE THEN IT'S THE NUMBERS QUITE NOT QUITE SO UGLY. BUT IT IS.

WE'RE STILL SPENDING UNSCHEDULED OVERTIME AT LEAST FROM LAST FISCAL YEAR TO DEBT TO TODAY THAT WOULD STILL PUT US AT 2.5 MILLION. AGAIN THOSE ARE REIMBURSED BY THE STATE.

OUR BIGGEST CHUNK OF OVERTIME IN TERMS OF TRAINING IS TO MEET NOTE MY GOAL NUMBER TWO OF ADVANCING OUR ALS CAPABILITIES. WE SPEND 320,000 EVERY YEAR IN PARAMEDIC TRAINING. AND THAT'S. I MEAN IT'S OUR. IT'S A LOT OF HOURS TO GET CERTIFIED TO DO WHAT THEY DO. YOU KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT AS WE, WE COST SHARE SOME WITH AMARILLO COLLEGE TO PROVIDE INSTRUCTORS TO HELP TEACH THAT ACADEMY.

AND SO THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM 320 TO 400,000 EVERY YEAR.

WHEN WE DIG DOWN INTO THE NUMBERS AND WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE WILDFIRE WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE INCIDENTS THAT WE'VE HAD TO CALL PERSONNEL IN COMBINING JUST OUR CALLBACK FOR INCIDENTS AND OUR CALLBACK FOR RED FLAG THAT AT LEAST FISCAL YEAR TO DATE IS ONLY 260,000 COMPARATIVELY OF THAT LARGE CHUNK. BUT OF THOSE ENTRY CODES, WE'RE 3 MILLION OF OUR 3.6 OF THIS YEAR CURRENT TO CURRENT DAY IS FROM THOSE 10 LEAVE CODES.

SO JUST TO SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ONTO THAT SOME, AGAIN, SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN REALLY DIG INTO THAT IS WE COULD CUT SOME OF THE TRAINING. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S NECESSARILY ASKING US TO DO THAT OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT IS ALS IS SUCH A HUGE DEAL. IT'S NOT THE RISKIEST THING THAT WE DO, BUT WE DO PROVIDE THAT TEAM, ALONG WITH AMR AND OUR COMMUNITY, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS Y' ALL WELL SUPPORTED OVER THE YEARS, FROM BEING ABLE TO PUT LIFE PACKS ON EVERY TRUCK AND THAT TRAINING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE. AGAIN, OUR GOAL EVENTUALLY IS TO HAVE EVERY ONE OF OUR ENGINES AS A PARAMEDIC ENGINE.

AND I REALLY THINK OUR PUBLIC, WITH THAT BEING ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 80% OF OUR CALLS, REALLY REAPS THE BENEFIT OF OUR PROFESSIONALISM IN THAT AREA. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR, SIR? OKAY.

YEAH. SO, CHIEF, A COUPLE THINGS.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, LIKE, THROUGH WHERE WE WERE ROLLING THE TRUCKS ON WHAT WE WOULD SAY ARE MINOR EMERGENCY CALLS. THEY IMPLEMENTED A NURSE NAVIGATION PROGRAM.

RIGHT. AND SO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OFFLOADING SOME OF THOSE CALLS TO A MORE APPROPRIATE ENTITY.

IS THAT HELPING YOU GUYS AT ALL? ARE YOU STILL RESPONDING TO THAT SAME INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTED TYLENOL? I CAN PREPARE YOU A REPORT.

I'LL DIG INTO THAT, AND WE'LL GET YOU A REPORT.

AND WE'LL.

THAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING LONG ENOUGH NOW WHERE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME DATA THAT WOULD HELP US PAINT A BETTER PICTURE TODAY.

I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW IF THAT'S HELPING AT ALL OR IF WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, SPENDING SOME OF YOUR BUDGET IN RUNNING SOME OF THOSE ROUTINE CALLS THAT I THINK YOU GUYS WERE NOT NECESSARILY WARRANTED TO. SO JUST INEFFICIENCIES, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT, COULD WE CUT TRAINING? WELL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE CUT TRAINING, ARE WE SEEING THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO THINGS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE, RIGHT. WILDLAND MITIGATION. SO IN LOOKING FOR GRANT FUNDING AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, SO WHAT WOULD IT, LIKE, LOOK, LOOK LIKE NOW IF WE STARTED NOW, AND MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S TWO, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW BEFORE YOU REALLY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, COMING THROUGH. IF YOU HAD TO BUILD OUT A PROGRAM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY DOING SOME WILDLAND MITIGATION AND YOU'RE RUNNING IT OUT OF YOUR CURRENT BUDGET.

YES, SIR. WELL, WITHIN A LOT OF IT. MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS WE CAN TAKE ONE OF THE TRUCKS IN THAT PROGRAM AT STATION 7 ON THE BOULEVARD AND GRAND IN THAT AREA THERE, THAT'S OUR WILDLAND PROGRAM.

THERE'S TWO STATIONS OR TWO CREWS THAT RUN OUT OF THERE.

TYPICALLY THAT WE'VE GOT ONE TRUCK IN SERVICE WHILE WE'RE DOING MITIGATION PROJECTS AND WE'LL TAKE ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES TO WHEREVER IT IS TO LOCATE ON LOCATION TO CONDUCT THAT MITIGATION PROJECT. YEAH, OUR WILDLAND TEAM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY. THE HOTTER AND THE MORE DIRTIER MISERABLE IT IS, THE HAPPIER THEY ARE. AND

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REALLY WITH MITIGATION, I MEAN IT'S. IT RIGHT NOW WE'RE RUNNING THAT SOLELY OR THE MAJORITY OF THAT OFF OF OVERTIME. AND THERE'S SOME THINGS DOWN THE ROAD, WAYS DOWN THE ROAD LIKE TO DO WHAT BORDER DOES WHERE THEY DO HAVE A DAYS CREW THAT GOES AND DOES NOTHING BUT MITIGATION. THAT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT I WOULD LOVE, I THINK LONG TERM THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

BUT WHAT YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO AS WE REACQUIRED THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE UNDER THAT AND WE ADDED THAT DIVISION TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS AND THEN COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR MITIGATION, IT REALLY DOES PUT MORE FUNCTIONALITY INTO THE RISK REDUCTION OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR GUYS.

WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT STUFF IS SHARED WITH YOU AND MR. PATH GETS THOSE STORIES TO YOU AS WE CONDUCT ANOTHER PHASE.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SOME MITIGATION PROJECT GOING OVER AT THE 58TH. Y' ALL MIGHT SEE THAT FRIDAY. AND THERE'S SOME PICTURES BEFORE AND AFTER AND YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY WHAT YOU DON'T BURN DOWN OR WHAT, WHAT BUSINESS ISN'T DAMAGED.

IF YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WERE GRANTED THE TWO INSPECTORS TO BE IN MORE OCCUPANCIES AND IMPLEMENT SOFTWARE AND IT'S, IT'S, IT TRULY IS ADDING FUNCTIONALITY TO REMOVING THAT RISK. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF YALLS PILLARS IS TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.

WELL FOR, FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE LISTENING AND FOR COUNCIL THAT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T. WE'RE NOT ALWAYS FAMILIAR WITH LIKE WILDLAND MITIGATION. WHAT IS THAT? SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE REMOVE. REMOVING FUEL FROM OPEN AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE STRUCTURES. SO THAT AS A GOOD EXAMPLE YOU GUYS PUT OUT A FIRE QUICKLY OVER HERE OFF THE AMARILLO BOULEVARD WITH HIGH WINDS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AND SO LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF FUEL OUT THERE THAT YOU GUYS COMBATED. SO LIKE IF WE WERE TO ASK YOU TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE AND ASK FOR BUILDING OUT THAT PROGRAM OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. ARE WE MISSING OUT ON GRANT FUNDING SOMEWHERE? LIKE DO WE HAVE THAT PROGRAM SET UP IN A WAY WHERE WE CAN GO AND START SEEING SOME OF THAT COME BACK TO US? WE'RE ACTUALLY WITH THE TIFMAS, TEXAS.

BASICALLY IT'S A TEXAS FIRE MUTUAL AID SYSTEM. WHEN THEY ARE GOING ON ASSIGNMENTS, NOT ONLY ARE THEY DEVELOPING BY JUST BEING THROWN IN THE MIDDLE WITH ALL THESE OTHER AGENCIES, UNKNOWN PEOPLE, THEY'RE GETTING THAT DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GETTING CREDENTIALS, ACTUALLY TASK BOOKS THAT ARE SIGNED OFF AND THEY COME BACK ALL OF THAT STATE REIMBURSED. SO REALLY THAT'S ONE PROGRAM THAT PRETTY MUCH FUNDED FULLY BY STATE REIMBURSEMENTS, WHAT WE'RE GETTING.

SO IF IT'S ALREADY BEING REIMBURSED BY THE STATE AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THE MANPOWER FOR IT, THEN I THINK WE SEE THE BENEFIT. YOU KNOW, HERE RECENTLY WITH DRY CONDITIONS, HIGH WINDS AND PROTECTING STRUCTURE FOR SURE AND LIFE, BUT REALLY THOSE STRUCTURES BY MITIGATING. SO I THINK IF YOU CAN CONTINUE ON THAT. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR EFFICIENCIES IN ALSO BEING ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE GRANTS. BUT IN THE REMODEL OF STATION 6, IF YOU HAD TO PICK BETWEEN UPDATING AN EXISTING STATION OR PUTTING IN A TRAINING FACILITY OUT THERE NEXT TO THE AIRPORT OR WHERE YOU'RE AT.

YES SIR.

SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN COULD WE LOOK FOR JUST THE DESIGN PIECE OF THAT WHERE MAYBE IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY. GO AHEAD AND GET SOME PLANS DRAWN SO THAT TWO YEARS FROM NOW YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SWING AT. RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU BRING THAT TO US, I THINK IT'S, IT'S TOO CONCEPTUAL.

THAT ONE'S A REBUILD. SO WE WOULD NEED TO PURCHASE LAND AND DESIGN IT.

OH, IT'S NOT A REMODEL.

KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS REBUILDING.

I THINK IT'S.

THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE OLD HOUSES.

THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO REAP.

SO STATION 6 IS A TEAR DOWN.

TEAR DOWN. FIND A NEW LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR IT.

SO BE A NEW STATION.

SO WE COULD ALLOCATE MONEY FOR DESIGN AND LAND PERHAPS TO GET THE PROJECT AT LEAST ROLLING FORWARD.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU GUYS COULD PRIORITIZE IN, IN THE BUDGET. I THINK THAT'S MONEY WELL SPENT IF YOU WERE TO GET SOME DESIGNS GOING ON STATION 6, REBUILD, POTENTIAL RELOCATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DO THE TRAINING STATION AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OUT THERE SO THAT THEY COULD AT LEAST SEE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUILD. I MEAN, IT MAY BE MILLION AND A HALF, 2 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE CIPS AND THEY CONTINUE TO COME OFF, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING PLAN READY, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT LIKE, WHERE'S THAT MONEY NEED TO GO NEXT? YES, SIR. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SIT WITH WHOEVER WINS THE SERVICES OF THAT AND JUST START, BUT I KNOW I WANT THREE TRUCK BAYS FOR ANY STATION WE PUT ON THE GROUND, BUT REALLY, IS THERE SOME WAY TO REALLY SHRINK THAT FOOTPRINT A LITTLE BIT MORE? I KNOW THE, THE CREWS LIKE THAT HOMELIER TYPE, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS MORE LIKE HOME INSTEAD OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. I'VE JUST, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD, WE'VE WORKED WITH SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.

I JUST THINK THERE'S MORE WORK THAT WE CAN TRIM DOWN.

IF, IF WE CAN GET SOME APPROPRIATIONS IN THERE TO GET SOME DESIGNS BUILT IN, I'M SURE DANFORTH COULD KEEP YOU AT THE TABLE WITH WHOEVER

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THAT IS THAT'S GOING TO CONCEPTUALIZE THAT. SO I KNOW THOSE, THOSE WERE THE ONES I WAS TRYING TO HIT AND JUST NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS WITH YOU GUYS. BUT LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TWO TO FIVE YEARS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT FOUR YEARS AGO I WAS STILL BEING ASKED. SO I THINK IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO I LOOKED AT YOUR TRAINING FACILITY OUT THERE AND SAT IN THE DOUBLE WIDE. AND SO YOU'RE NEVER MOVING THAT BALL FORWARD. IF WE DON'T GET SOME PLANS DRAWN AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S TOO CONCEPTUAL. IT'S JUST SITTING ON A SHEET SOMEWHERE THAT WHEN EVERYBODY TAKES OFF RUNNING, WE FORGET WHAT IT IS. SO IF I COULD GET, GET THOSE MOVING, THAT THAT'D BE BENEFICIAL, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR.

MAYOR, I THINK, OFFICER, WE'VE LOST TWO OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE DAY AND, AND I. AND WE'RE TAKING BREAKS. WE MAY STRUGGLE WITH QUORUM ISSUES HERE, SO I MIGHT RECOMMEND WE MIGHT FIND A STOPPING POINT.

WHO TOOK A BREAK WAS THERE.

I'M NOT NAMING NAMES. AND SO, SO WE MIGHT FIND A STOPPING POINT PRETTY SOON. AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US AT SOME TIME AS STAFF TO WORK SOME STUFF UP FROM THE DAY, COME BACK FRESH TOMORROW MORNING WITH SOME STUFF.

YOU ALL, IF WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM LIKE WHAT WE'RE. WHAT WE'RE NORMALLY CONSIDERING PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF OEM AND WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE? DO WE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF AECC AND HOW THAT'S GOING.

IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT HERE, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUSH 15 MORE MINUTES AND GET, GET THROUGH THAT AND THEN GET OUT OF HERE. BUT IF, IF WE'RE AT A STOPPING POINT, THEN WE'RE AT A STOPPING POINT. WE CAN TAKE IT UP TOMORROW. I KNOW WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BE OUT OF HERE BY 4. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S 2:30. I'M DOING FINE.

BUT THEN WANT TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE AND THESE TWO.

NO, I THINK WE'RE CLEAR ON THEM NOW. WE JUST NEED THE TIME TO BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU ALL.

SO WE'LL SPEND THE REST OF THIS AFTERNOON PULLING ALL THAT TOGETHER FOR TOMORROW MORNING.

YEAH, I FEEL OVERALL COMFORTABLE HAVING AS MANY ACCOUNTS AS I CAN. SO TALKING BOTH PRESCOTT AND TIPPS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO BE HERE TOMORROW. SO I MEAN, LORD WILLING, TIPPS CAN.

SO WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TOMORROW AND WHAT DO YOU STILL HAVE LEFT TO COVER? FOR YOU TO FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH DIRECTION, I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION.

WE'LL BRING BACK THE DEBT SCENARIO SO YOU HAVE A BETTER FEEL ON THAT. WE'LL BRING BACK THE SUPPLEMENTAL RETURN RECURRING 2 MILLION PLUS IDEAS FOR THE COST OF LIVING, RAISE MERIT COMPENSATION STUDY, AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START RECOMMENDING THESE CIPS BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN AND JUST THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE A MORE CONSTRAINED LIST FOR Y' ALL TO DISCUSS.

I KNOW COUNCILMAN SIMPSON AND I WERE TALKING EARLIER.

HE'S GOT A FEW THINGS THAT HE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE, WE HIT TOMORROW. GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN VISIT ON.

SO BEFORE I HIT HIM UP, START THINKING, TIM, ABOUT WHAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND THEN WE'LL OBVIOUSLY STILL INCLUDE THE OTHER TWO. BUT ON MY END, WITH THE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN, LIKE I WANT TO GO THROUGH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN BRING BACK MAX. LET HIM SPEAK TO IT TOMORROW. I KNOW HE'S BEEN HERE TODAY, BUT STILL TIME WELL SPENT FOR BUILDING OUT ANY OF THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS. IT'S TOO EASY. WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, THEY WERE IN THE BASEMENT AND MAN, I'M IN YEAR SIX HERE AND I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE STILL IN THE BASEMENT. RIGHT. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT THAT DEPARTMENT DOES 26 COUNTY WIDE AND EVERYBODY THAT RELIES ON THEM IS TOO IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE MISSING, EVEN IF IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS.

LIKE WE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT, YOU KNOW. SO OEM AECC I THINK IS DOING BETTER. RIGHT? DO WE, DO WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED OVER THERE? YES. THEY'RE STILL OF COURSE THEY COULD USE ADDITIONAL DISPATCHERS BUT WE ARE STILL GETTING TO THE FULL STAFFING LEVEL.

THAT'S ONE. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON WHETHER THEY'RE AT A POINT OF OVER HIRING AND CONTINUE TO WORK DOWN THERE OVER TIME AS WELL. BUT HE'S OVER AACC SO HE COULD TOUCH ON BOTH TOMORROW FROM A HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE.

THE WILDLAND PROGRAM, I KNOW I GOT TO ADDRESS THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOOK. THE CHAMP PLAN THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, I WANT TO VISIT WITH THAT TOMORROW AND SEE IS THERE A REALIZED SAVINGS THAT GETS PASSED THROUGH TO OUR EMPLOYEES. IS THIS TRUE? TRULY A BOLT ON PROGRAM THAT WON'T CAUSE US ANY ISSUES IN CONTRACTS AND NEGOTIATIONS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT. I JUST NEED TO HEAR IN FIVE MINUTES EITHER MAYOR, HERE'S WHY YOU CAN'T DO IT.

IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ALL THESE ISSUES OR YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT.

I MEAN WE JUST HAVEN'T TRADITIONALLY DONE IT. OKAY.

THAT AND THEN PURDUE BRANDED.

SO THAT'S YOUR OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY COLLECTION OR COLLECTION.

LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ON.

ONCE WE RUN IT THROUGH OUR SYSTEM AND IT BECOMES A BAD

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DEBT THAT'S SITTING ON A SHELF SOMEWHERE. CAN WE HAND THAT OVER AND JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT? SO THOSE TWO. I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE SEWER AND WATER IS A TOPIC AS AN ENTERPRISE THAT WE REVISIT BEFORE WE GET TO A POINT TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS OR IS NOT GETTING PAID FOR. I STILL HAVE ZERO CLARIFICATION ON THE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT MONEY THAT IS COUNTED AS DEPRECIATION.

WHERE DOES IT GO? SO THAT MEANS THERE'S A CALCULATION THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO ARRIVE AT A FUND BALANCE.

RIGHT. OR A NET STARTING POSITION. AVAILABLE FUNDS. WE AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE COUNCIL KNOWS IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT CALCULATION. I NEED TO SEE IT. AND THEN EVEN IF WE JUST STARTED WITH SEWER AND WATER, YOU WON'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE CALCULATION. YOU DO NOT CALCULATE DEPRECIATION.

RIGHT. AT ALL. RIGHT. SO THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN UNDERSTANDING, LEARNING AND SAYING, UNDERSTANDING.

THERE'S NO OTHER WAY FOR US TO EXPLAIN IT.

SO IN, IN AN ANSWER TOMORROW AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IF THERE'S $18 MILLION OF DEPRECIATION DOESN'T EXIST.

CAN'T SPEND IT.