[1. Call to Order]
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SO WE'LL OFFICIALLY CALL OURSELVES TO ORDER.
[2. City Council Budget Workshop]
PATH OR MRS. STORRS THERE TO TAKE OFF.GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO GO OVER WITH YOU ALL.
BUT FIRST, I WANTED TO JUST BRING YOU UP TO SPEED, WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT.
ONE IS A LETTER THAT IS DATED SEPTEMBER 9TH, AND IT'S STAPLED KIND OF UP THERE AT THE TOP.
WHAT THIS IS THIS IS THE FIRST FEW PAGES OF OUR PROPOSED BUDGET.
WE CHANGED AND UPDATED THE BUDGET BASED ON THE LAST DIRECTION WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT WAS THAT? JULY. NO.
ANYWAYS. AND SO ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET AND IS IN A NEW VERSION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT IS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
NOW, YOU CAN STILL MAKE CHANGES FROM THIS POINT.
DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL DO A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION AND ASK YOU ALL TO VOTE ON THE FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AND THEN VOTE SEPARATELY ON THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.
THIS LETTER THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS ALSO IN THE FIRST FEW PAGES OF THAT PROPOSED BUDGET THAT'S ONLINE.
THIS ONE AND THE SECOND VERSION IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH FEW PAGES, WHAT IT DOES IS IT SHOWS A YEAR TO YEAR COMPARISON.
SO IF YOU START ON PAGE LOWER, WHAT WAS THAT DOUBLE I OR I'M SORRY TRIPLE I.
IT WALKS YOU THROUGH THE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS.
I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH ROMAN NUMERALS, I APOLOGIZE.
IT WALKS YOU THROUGH THE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS.
AND WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE.
I'M NOT PLANNING TO GO OVER THAT IN GREAT DETAIL, BUT THERE'S MORE DETAILS IN THIS LETTER HERE FOR YOU AND A LOT OF DETAILS FOR OUR CITIZENS TO SEE WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED.
BUT BEYOND THAT THE OTHER PAGE THAT IT WAS HANDED OUT TO YOU ALL IS A SPREADSHEET.
AND IT'S JUST A ONE PAGE SUMMARY OF THE WORKING BUDGET AND THE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL HAD GIVEN US SOME GUIDANCE ON FROM THE LAST BUDGET REVIEW. AND AGAIN, THESE CAN STILL BE CHANGED IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE CHANGES.
BUT THIS IS HOW THE BUDGET IS BUILT AT THIS POINT.
SO IF YOU'LL LOOK AND STEPHANIE'S GOT IT PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN HERE AS WELL.
YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS OUR ONGOING WORKING BUDGET.
SO WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS ABOUT $3.2 MILLION IN ONGOING WORKING BUDGET THAT CAN EITHER BE ALLOCATED PRIOR TO BUDGET APPROVAL, OR IT COULD BE ALLOCATED AFTER Y'ALL START NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, KIND OF LIKE YOU DID THIS YEAR WITH YOUR WORKING BUDGET.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS YOUR ONE TIME WORKING BUDGET.
AND YOU CAN EITHER ALLOCATE THAT NOW OR WE CAN WAIT AND DO IT AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR STARTS.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE $6.4 MILLION SITTING IN A BUCKET ESSENTIALLY IN AN ACCOUNT AS WORKING BUDGET FOR THIS NEXT YEAR THAT HAS NOT BEEN ASSIGNED TO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
IF YOU ALL GIVE US DIRECTION TO MAKE ANY FURTHER CHANGES, WE WILL ALLOCATE THOSE OUT TO THE VARIOUS AREAS AND THEN ADJUST THAT WORKING BUDGET AMOUNT RELATIVE TO THOSE CHANGES. SO BEYOND THAT, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO COVER TODAY IS WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM DONNY HOOPER RELATED TO OUR BULK WASTE PROGRAM THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.
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BUDGET AMOUNTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.SO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT THIS POINT? EVERYBODY GOOD. OKAY.
GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT I GUESS I'LL DONNY, ARE YOU READY? I'M READY. OKAY. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO DONNY NOW TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE BULK WASTE PRESENTATION.
I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOUR SCREENS UP THERE AS WELL.
I'LL WAIT FOR STEPHANIE TO GET THAT UP.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AS IT'S COMING UP, JUST REMIND YOU THAT I WANT TO START OUT TO KIND OF GO BACK AND JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK AND GIVE YOU A REMINDER OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE COLLECTED DURING OUR PILOT PROGRAM THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE SPRING, BECAUSE THE INFORMATION THAT WE GARNERED FROM THAT PROGRAM REALLY IS WHAT LED US INTO THE FINAL DISCUSSIONS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TODAY AS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL OF THIS, EVERYTHING IN THESE PICTURES WAS COLLECTED BY HAND.
SO THERE WAS A HAND OR A GLOVE TOUCHING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THESE PHOTOS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE ON THIS SLIDE IS JUST THE ALLEY CLEANUP PROGRAM WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TODAY IS BASED ON COUNCIL FEEDBACK THAT HAPPENED DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, DISCUSSION OR DURING THE DISCUSSIONS THAT COUNCIL PREFERS US TO UTILIZE OR LOOK FOR WAYS TO UTILIZE INTERNAL RESOURCES RATHER THAN GOING OUT FOR CONTRACTORS.
IF ANY OPPORTUNITY ARISES THAT WE COULD DO THAT, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM THAT WOULD UTILIZE ALL OF OUR INTERNAL SOURCES AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT MORE EFFICIENTLY AND MORE EFFECTIVELY.
THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF THIS IS LIMITED TO JUST HAZARDOUS, DANGEROUS ITEMS. ONE THING I DIDN'T PUT IN THERE IS ALSO INCLUDING THINGS THAT COME IN FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, OR LET'S SAY, A CONTRACTOR THAT'S PUTTING SOMETHING INSIDE OF AN ALLEY, WHETHER THAT BE TIRES OR DISCARDED BATTERIES, YOU KNOW, CAR BATTERIES OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY PURSUE THAT AS AN ENFORCEMENT PIECE, BUT WE WOULD BE BASICALLY GIVING THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE GIVING GIVING AUTHORIZATION FOR CITIZENS TO PLACE THE ITEMS THERE OR USE FRONT YARD COLLECTION METHODS.
AND WE WOULD COME BY AND PICK THAT UP.
THE THIRD PIECE OF THIS IS, IS THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO CLEAN THESE BY QUADRANT.
AND I'LL TALK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT IT IN JUST A MOMENT.
BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE TO DO IT TWICE A YEAR.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE EASILY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS TWICE A YEAR.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH MY NOTES.
I HAVE SEVERAL NOTES ON HERE AS WELL.
SO WITH THE LEASE PROGRAM, THIS GETS US INTO TOTAL PROGRAM WITH EMPLOYEES IN ALL AROUND $632,000.
THERE'S TWO KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCKS FOR $42,000 EACH FOR AN ANNUAL LEASE, TWO REAR LOADERS.
THEN ALSO TWO FRONT LOADERS THAT HAVE A CLAMSHELL ATTACHMENT ON THE FRONT OF THOSE.
EACH OF THESE WOULD ALSO HAVE A BACK BUCKET ON IT AS WELL THAT WOULD HAVE A CLAMSHELL.
AND WHAT THAT CLAMSHELL DOES IS IT'S ABLE TO GRAB WASTE.
WE COULD EITHER PUT IT IN A ROLL OFF CONTAINER THAT'S NEARBY.
OR WE COULD PUT IT INSIDE OF THE TRUCK ITSELF THAT COULDN'T GET IT.
THE BOOM TRUCK IS OBVIOUSLY VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE ALLEYS.
THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM THAT AMARILLO HAD, LOOKING BACK AT THE HISTORY OF IT, IT HAD REAR LOADERS AND KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCKS THAT MADE THAT PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL WHEN THEY WERE SWEEPING ALL THE ALLEYS BEFORE.
SO WE KNOW THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT WE THINK ADDING THIS EXTRA PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS JUST GOING TO HELP US EXPEDITE THOSE PROCESSES AND MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE US MOVE THROUGH THE ALLEYS A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
PROGRAM COST ITSELF TO LEASE ALL THE EQUIPMENT IT'S ABOUT $280,000, $281,776.
THE LABOR COSTS FOR SIX PERSONNEL TO OPERATE THAT EQUIPMENT IS $348,576, BRINGING THE TOTAL COST TO $630,352, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS SUCH AS FUEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE PROGRAM AS WELL.
WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO DEVELOP THOSE MAPS AND FIGURE OUT A THE MOST LOGICAL WAY TO APPROACH THAT.
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BUT THEY WOULD STAY IN THOSE QUADRANTS.WE DON'T WANT THEM LEAVING IT.
WE WOULD ALSO ADD RUBICON SOFTWARE.
AND I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
ONCE IT'S GREEN, THEY CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT STREET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CREW AVAILABLE.
IF WE HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE AN ALLEY THAT'S BLOCKED, OR WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED THAT'S HAZARDOUS, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT ZONE THEY'RE WORKING IN THAT WE COULD EXPEDITE THAT REQUEST AND MOVE OVER THERE TO DO THAT.
OTHERWISE, THOSE CREWS WOULD BE HELPING WITH THE PUBLIC ART COLLECTIONS UNTIL WE CAN RECEIVE OUR POLY CART TRUCKS, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THOSE IN. IT'S 510 MILES OF ALLEY.
SO THE GOAL IS TO CLEAN EACH OF THOSE TWICE A YEAR.
THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DO 3.8 MILES A YEAR.
AND WE WENT BACK AND DID THE MATH ON THAT.
BUT IF WE AVERAGE ACROSS THE YEAR 3.8 MILES PER DAY, WE SHOULD GET TWICE A YEAR.
SO I WANT TO SHOW YOU ON THIS NEXT PAGE.
THIS IS A MAP OF WHAT WE DID IN THE PILOT PROGRAM.
THIS WAS TEN WEEKS AND THEY CLEANED 52.3 MILES.
SO THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF 1.9 MILES PER DAY.
SOME OF THEM WORKED IN THE EVENINGS.
SOME OF THEM WORKED EARLY MORNINGS, BUT IT WAS A VERY PART TIME OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.
WE FEEL LIKE DOING THAT AND THAT WAS FOUR CONTRACTORS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TWO CREW AND THAT WAS ALL BY HAND.
WE'LL HAVE TWO CREWS WITH MACHINERY THAT WE THINK WE CAN ATTACK THIS.
I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT ALAN AND I RAN JUST KIND OF ON A WORST CASE SCENARIO I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY HIT FIVE MILES A DAY ON A GOOD DAY. AND ON AN AVERAGE.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE SOME AREAS WE KNOW THESE ARE THE HARDEST HIT AREAS IN AMARILLO, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH AT ALL IN THOSE. NOW THEY MAY START TO UTILIZE THE SERVICE AND MAY START PUTTING THINGS THERE, BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE SEEING THEM USE THE FRONT YARD COLLECTION IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE ALLEYS, SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD CONTINUE WITH THAT PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THINGS FASTER.
WE WOULD SEND SUPERVISORS OUT AHEAD OF THE AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A BIG BULK LOAD, AND HAVE THEM SURVEY THOSE AREAS TO KEEP THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT FROM MOVING INTO THOSE AREAS AND JUST WASTING TIME DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE ALLEYS, WE CAN DO THAT WITH A PICKUP TRUCK.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE RATE INCREASE BREAKDOWN.
AND THAT IS JUST ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
THE REASON THAT WE FEEL LIKE AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION WITH YOU, AND WE MENTIONED THIS IN THE LAST MEETING, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AS A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING IS COMING FROM COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND FROM RENTAL PROPERTIES.
WE KNOW THAT FROM THE SURVEYS WE'VE DONE, WE KNOW THAT FROM THE PILOT PROGRAM, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE AREAS THAT HAD THE MOST RENTAL PROPERTIES IN THEM HAD THE MOST BULK WASTE IN THE ALLEYS.
THE JUSTIFICATION, OF COURSE, FOR THE RATE INCREASE IS JUST TO ENSURE THE FUNDING FOR THE NEW EQUIPMENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND FOR THE PERSONNEL, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM ONCE WE START IT.
THE DIRECT BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS, OF COURSE, IS THE CLEANER ALLEYS, LESS COMPLAINTS, IMPROVED WASTE COLLECTION SERVICES, WHICH IS WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL BURDEN TO THEM AS WELL. AND THEN THERE'S A DIRECT BENEFIT TO OPERATIONS AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT WE HAVE TO STOP OUR ROUTES TO MOVE SOMETHING.
THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO GO AROUND SOMETHING.
WE HIT A GAS METER OR WE HIT A FENCE, OR SOMETIMES IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO PICK UP A CONTAINER.
WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT UNTIL A CREW CAN COME REMOVE SOME DEBRIS BEFORE WE CAN GET TO IT.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LESS RISK ON OUR SIDE AS WELL.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DATA COLLECTION AND MONITORING FOR THIS PROGRAM.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AS YOU ALL KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THAT I'M GOING TO TRACK EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS PROGRAM, INCLUDING SOME GIS MAPPING. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT TO INDICATE THE AREAS THAT WE'VE CLEANED.
WE'LL CREATE SOME HEAT MAPS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF REPEAT BULK, WHERE IT WILL ALSO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE CUSTOMERS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
JUST OPENS UP THOSE DOORS FOR THAT.
OUR RUBICON SOFTWARE WOULD BE INSTALLED IN EACH OF THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
AND WHAT RUBICON DOES IS IT GIVES OUR TRASH TRUCK DRIVERS A ROUTE.
THOSE CAN BE MODIFIED DURING THE DAY.
IF WE HAVE A DRIVER THAT DOESN'T COME IN, HIS ROUTE GETS SPLIT UP AND ADDED TO ANOTHER ROUTE.
THE DRIVER NEVER SEES A CHANGE EXCEPT FOR HIS MAP CHANGES.
IT'S JUST LIKE A GPS IN YOUR CAR YOU FOLLOW IT WHEN YOU STOP TO PICK UP THAT DUMPSTER.
THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN AFTER IT'S DONE.
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I WOULD SAY A LARGE PERCENT.I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT, BUT BY A GREAT AMOUNT, JUST BASED ON THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVE.
SO WE THINK IT WILL BE THE SAME WAY WITH ILLEGAL DUMPING, PLUS IT WILL GIVE US A WAY TO MARK THOSE.
IT ALSO LEAVES A COOKIE TRAIL OF WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, WHERE THEY'VE NOT BEEN.
SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO MISS ANY ALLEYS ALONG THE WAY.
WE ALSO WANT TO TRACK OUR FRONT YARD COLLECTIONS.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THAT DATA AND MONITOR IT AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR FRONT YARD COLLECTIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING UP OR DOWN WITH THIS PROGRAM, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE ALLEYS, AND WE WANT TO SEE IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A BALANCE, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE OUR NUMBERS GO UP BASED ON OUR PROMOTIONS OF THE FRONT YARD PROGRAM, OR IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE EVERYBODY START TO GO BACK TO THE ALLEYS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE EITHER PROGRAM EITHER WAY.
BUT I THINK THE SAME AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT CAN DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT OUR RESOURCES, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MONITOR THAT.
AND THEN COMPLAINT TRACKING, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT OUR COMPLAINTS ARE GOING TO GO DOWN.
THEY TAKE UP A GOOD MAJORITY OF OUR TIME NOW.
AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE BACKLOGGED.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE TRACKING.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME DATA THAT I GET EACH WEEK.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT THE BOTTOM LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF YARN TWISTED TOGETHER.
THAT'S HOW I LIKE TO TRACK OUR CURBSIDE COLLECTIONS, AND WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING WITH THE ALLEY COLLECTIONS, BASICALLY, THAT TELLS ME IN FIVE YEARS THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH FRONT YARD COLLECTIONS AND HOW MANY THAT WE'RE DOING PER MONTH.
AND IT'S EASY TO LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICKLY AND SEE THAT YOUR BUSIEST TIME IS GOING TO BE IN THE SUMMERTIME, AND THE LEAST AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE IN THE HEAD THE HEAT, I'M SORRY, THE BIGGEST PART OF THE WINTER IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY, THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FRONT YARD COLLECTION.
SO WE WANT TO DO KIND OF THE SAME THING FOR THIS PROGRAM.
THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS PROGRAM ARE PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE PROGRAM, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ORDER EQUIPMENT.
USUALLY THOSE ORDER BANKS OPEN UP IN THE FALL.
HOWEVER, SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO FILL THE POSITIONS, SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO FILL THE EQUIPMENT NEEDS, THEN WE WOULD START IT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO START CATCHING UP ON THOSE. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW THE DROP DEAD DATE WOULD BE MARCH OF 25 AND WE WOULD WANT TO DO THIS, BUT I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET THERE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE SMALLER EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE WE'RE PURCHASING.
BUT TO ME, THAT'S THE PROGRAM IN A NUTSHELL.
IT'S THE BEST USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN MY OPINION.
IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT. AND TO ME IT'S THE LOWEST COST OUT OF ALL THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAD.
SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE TODAY.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER THEM.
GO AHEAD DONNY WHAT ABOUT LIKE CURRENT REQUESTS LIKE WE'LL GET I KNOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE UNTIL FIRST QUARTER, MAYBE SECOND QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR, BUT CURRENT REQUESTS I KNOW YOU GET A BUNCH OF THEM FOR THE ALLEYS, LIKE, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS BULK WASTE.
HOW WOULD THOSE INTEGRATE INTO THIS? WOULD WE STILL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THAT ARE LIKE NOT ON THE MAP, LIKE WE'D HAVE TO SEND A CREW OUT TO DO ALL THESE RANDOM ONES? YEAH. THE PLAN WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THOSE JUST AS WE ARE NOW, UNTIL WE GET ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT IN PLACE.
SO AND WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD BACKLOG ON THOSE.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE AS WE'RE ADDRESSING THEM NOW I DO, I DID YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT I FORGOT TO BRING UP IN TALKING ABOUT HANDLING THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOW, ONCE WE GET CAUGHT UP, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE SECOND TIME THROUGH WE MAKE A SECOND PASS, IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER THAN THE FIRST.
I THINK THE THIRD ONE WILL BE EASIER THAN THE SECOND, AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON I THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO MORE MILEAGE PER DAY, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET EASIER AS WE GO, BUT WE GOT TO GET CAUGHT UP.
WE KNOW WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE AT.
I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING BEING DISPOSED OF, DID WE LOOK AT, LIKE, DOING DOOR KNOCKERS OR SOMETHING IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THAT ARE YOU KNOW, PERENNIALLY THAT JUST CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE DUMPING ORDINANCE.
SO ARE WE DO WE TALK ABOUT THAT? I KNOW WE WANT TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I MEAN, JUST AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF LIKE, HEY, THIS YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND IF IT CONTINUES, THEN THIS IS THE POSSIBLE OUTCOME.
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RATHER SEE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.WE'RE GOING TO BE ALLOWING THEM TO DO IT BY DOING THIS, WHICH THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT WE CAN.
SO OUR MESSAGING WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I THINK THE MESSAGING WOULD BE WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING IS GIVING WHERE WE SEE REPEAT OVER AND OVER CONSISTENT ABUSE OF THIS, THAT WE WOULD GIVE THEM A MESSAGE, WE WOULD GO AND SEND THEM SOMETHING OR HAND THEM SOMETHING, GO DOOR TO DOOR AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE EFFICIENCIES OF THE FRONT YARD COLLECTION PROGRAM AND THAT THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR FOR US TO USE THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY TO MAKING THE WHOLE PROGRAM WORK AND ALTOGETHER.
OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PIECE, THAT ENFORCEMENT PIECE OR INFORMATION PIECE, WHETHER IT'S A DOOR KNOCKER, IT'S PHYSICALLY SOMEONE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AND TALKING TO THEM, WHICH WOULD BE, I THINK, PRETTY LABOR INTENSIVE.
BUT SO THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT IS GOING TO BE A PART LIKE THAT IS A THAT IS A THING.
WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THE MESSAGING YET, BUT I THINK ONCE WE GET THIS ALL APPROVED AND WE GET TO GO AND ACTUALLY GET ON THE DRAWING BOARD AND START DRAWING THE PROGRAM UP OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, THAT WILL BE AN EXPECTATION THAT I PUSH OUT TO STAFF AS WELL.
LET'S SEE THAT AND I THINK WE CAN DO IT ON SITE.
IT'S NOT AS COMPLICATED AS IT SOUNDS.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST DID THIS AND NOW WE'VE GOT ALL THIS STUFF HERE.
OKAY. AND THE RATE INCREASE IS SUSTAINABLE.
I MEAN IT'S THE 8% RATE INCREASE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
THAT'S ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN THE THE PROGRAM.
THE LEASING OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PROGRAM IS WHAT YOU'RE THE NUMBERS.
WE LOSE A VERY LARGE CUSTOMER.
YOU KNOW, THAT COULD CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT.
SO HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF CLEANUP? I THINK THE LAST AND FLOYD COULD PROBABLY ANSWER IT BETTER THAN I COULD, BUT I THINK 2016 WAS THE LAST YEAR THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS IN PLACE.
OKAY. SO LIKE TO YOUR POINT, PROBABLY HOPEFULLY AFTER THAT FIRST CLEANUP IN SOME PLACES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE'RE ACTUALLY SO THAT'S EIGHT YEARS WORTH OF NOTHING'S BEEN PICKED UP OR NOT.
I MEAN PROBABLY SOME HAVE BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALLEYS HAVE NOT.
AND WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH HIM, HE SAID, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE NEAR THE LOAD THAT YOU HAVE NOW.
HE SAID, I DRIVE DOWN SOME OF THE ALLEYS AND CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MUCH IS BACK THERE.
SO YEAH, IT'S BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS FOR SURE.
YEAH. THE TWO OTHER THINGS I WOULD JUST ASK ABOUT IS, IS, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INTERACTING WITH THE A CITIZEN THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO HELP ON THIS, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT A WHAT CAN WE ASK CITIZENS TO DO? OR HOW CAN WE HELP EDUCATE CITIZENS ON HOW THEY CAN HELP US ATTACK THIS PROBLEM? BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE.
WE CAN'T HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE, BUT MAYBE EDUCATING THEM? AND THEN WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF ILLEGAL DUMPING? I MEAN, WHAT IF SOMEONE'S CAUGHT? WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE? THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF THAT.
I'LL GO BACK AND ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION FIRST.
I LIKE YOUR YOUR IDEA THAT YOU HAD EARLIER ABOUT A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S ABUSING THIS OR THEY SEE A CONTRACTOR THAT'S DUMPING A BUNCH OF TIRES IN THE ALLEY, HOW CAN THEY HELP US WITH THAT? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD INFORMATION PIECE THAT WE COULD PUT OUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD EASILY IMPLEMENT INTO THIS PROGRAM.
NOW, WE HAVE MESSAGES ON THE DUMPSTERS NOW, BUT I HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN SUPER FOND OF THEM.
THEY'RE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME.
THERE'S A THERE'S A FINE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PIECES.
LET'S JUST SAY THAT ONE OF OUR CAMERAS CATCHES SOMEBODY AT A DUMPSTER AT THE PARK, WHICH WE'VE WE'VE CAUGHT SEVERAL PEOPLE DOING THIS, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THROWING OR LEAVING STUFF ON THE GROUND OUTSIDE OF THE DUMPSTER.
WE GET THEIR LICENSE TAG, WE TURN THAT IN, WE FILE A REPORT, IT GOES TO THE CIVIL COURT.
AND THAT STARTS OUT AT A $50 FINE AND IT INCREASES PER INCIDENT.
SO IT'S NOT VERY MUCH, BUT WE CAN ALSO CHARGE THEM FOR OUR TIME AND FOR OUR EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL AND FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY WHAT IT COSTS US TO CLEAN THAT UP. SECONDLY AND I BELIEVE AND, BRYAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE THIS IS DUE TO STATE LAW.
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THE CRIMINAL SIDE OF THAT IS UP TO $2,000 FINE.SO AND EVEN IN THE PREVIOUS CITY I WAS AT, WE DIDN'T ENFORCE IT AND MOST CITIES DON'T.
SO YOU NEVER REALLY DIG INTO THAT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK AND WHAT THE WEIGHT IS ON WHAT WHAT CREATES A $2,000 FINE AND WHAT CREATES A $500 AND IT'S BY WEIGHT.
WELL, I JUST WONDER IF, IF AND WHAT ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE.
BUT IF, IF IT TO, TO ALTER BEHAVIOR, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT ENFORCING IT THEN WHY WOULD I EVER WANT TO, WHY WOULD I CHANGE MY BEHAVIOR IF THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCE IN DOING IT? YOU KNOW, DO THE DO THE RESTRICTIONS NEED TO BE HEFTIER TO, YOU KNOW, DETER PEOPLE FROM DOING THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ALSO KIND OF WORKING TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW WE'RE AS A CITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR ILLEGAL DUMPING.
I AGREE, AND THE TOUGHEST PART OF IT IS, IS KNOWING WHO DID IT.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE TOUGHEST PART.
I DON'T WANT IT BEHIND MY HOUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO COME FINE ME.
SO NOW YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE DUMPSTERS? IT JUST IT'S JUST CYCLICAL THING THAT HAPPENS OVER AND OVER.
AND I THINK IT'S WHY CITIES HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME ADDRESSING THIS.
AND I SAID THAT IN THE BEGINNING.
I THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE TO WEIGH, CAN WE REALLY CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR, OR DO WE JUST NEED TO GO PICK IT UP? AND I THINK WE'VE LANDED ON THE LATTER PART OF THAT.
I RAN A PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THIS IN ANOTHER CITY, AND IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AND OUR MOTTO THERE WAS JUST PICK IT UP.
AND IT ENDED UP BEING PRETTY SUCCESSFUL AND GOT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE EITHER OR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COMBINATION OF THE BOTH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE SOME CITIZENS WOULD HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
HERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKES HAVING THIS PROBLEM IN THE ALLEY SO.
AND A COMBINATION OF BOTH IS KIND OF WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
I HOPE THERE'S NOT A J&J TIRE COMPANY HERE IN TOWN.
I'M JUST TOTALLY MAKING THAT UP.
WE SAW COAL STANLEY TIRE COMPANY DUMPING A BUNCH OF TIRES IN OUR ALLEY.
I KNOW THAT DOESN'T EXIST, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY.
AND HERE'S WHAT THE LICENSE TAG WAS.
I THINK WE WILL GO AFTER THAT, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
SO THAT MAY BE THE BALANCE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THANK YOU. OR WE COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE WITH A PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION.
JUST KIDDING. TOTALLY KIDDING.
SOUNDS LIKE NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
YEP. SO NO HE WOULDN'T LEAVE IT ALONE.
YEAH. SO HE WAS TOO GOOD GOING AFTER STANLEY TIRE COMPANY.
SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE SO BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT ON DAY ONE.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ABLE TO GROW INTO THIS QUICKER TOO.
IF YOU'RE SETTING MY EXPECTATIONS, GIVE ME GIVE ME A GOAL THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
NOT NECESSARILY, WORST CASE WE'LL BE UP AND RUNNING FULLY BY MARCH.
WELL, A LOT OF THAT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
WE CAN'T TAKE THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALLOCATED TO DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AND PUT IT TOWARD THIS.
BUT I'VE ALREADY JUST DONE MY DILIGENCE WITH OUR LEASING COMPANY.
I'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE.
AND I SAID, IF THIS IF THIS HAPPENS AND GETS APPROVED, WE GOT TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING IMMEDIATELY.
SO HOPEFULLY THE EQUIPMENT COULD GET HERE QUICKER THAN I'M ANTICIPATING.
I JUST KNOW THAT MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE SEEING A 4 TO 5 MONTH LEAD ON THAT.
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I LOOK BACK AT OUR PATCH TRUCKS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE SAME STORY.WE'RE SIX MONTHS OUT ON GETTING THOSE, BUT THEY'LL BE HERE BY FEBRUARY.
I THINK WE'LL SEE THE SAME SCENARIO HERE, BUT WE'RE DOING OUR HOMEWORK ON THAT.
WE ALREADY HAVE WE'RE WORKING ON SOME JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
WE CAN PUT THAT OUT RIGHT AWAY AND START HIRING THE PEOPLE TO DO IT.
SO I THINK WE CAN START GOING THAT DIRECTION WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I JUST, I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS IF YOU IF YOU DO GET HUNG UP THERE, SINCE YOU'D HAVE FUNDING THERE, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN USING SOME SUBCONTRACTORS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH? AND THAT'S A POSSIBILITY I KNOW THE ROLL OFF THING WORKS PRETTY GOOD IF YOU CAN.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THERE.
BUT IF WE SEE AN UPTICK AND WE'RE NOT GETTING TO THESE AREAS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FIVE MONTHS THEN.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO IS ANY OF THAT EQUIPMENT RENTABLE THAT WOULD STAY WITHIN BUDGET.
SO WE COULD GET A JUMP START ON IT.
I MEAN, I KNOW MAYBE NOT ALL OF IT, BUT IT IS? NOT THE REAR LOADERS WOULD NOT BE THE BOOM TRUCKS, WE COULD GET SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
WITH IT. IF WE COULD JUMP ON IT UNTIL THOSE THAT EQUIPMENT IS AVAILABLE, THAT'D BE GREAT.
IF IT IF IT WAS, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
SO THAT WILL BE OUR THERE'S YOUR GOAL.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AS EFFECTIVE AS IT WILL BE WHEN WE GET THE FULL GROUP IN.
BUT WE CAN DO THAT. AND WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT CONTRACTORS IF THE NEED ARISES TO DO THAT FOR SURE.
I MEAN, THAT WAS THAT WAS A GOOD PUSH.
THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB GETTING TO IT.
THEY DID IT JUST WASN'T AS EASY TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON IT, DONNY, AND THANK YOU FOR PUSHING THIS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
I THINK OUR RESIDENTIAL USERS PROBABLY SEE THAT IT DOES.
YEAH. IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL RESIDENT.
MIGHT ALSO MENTION TOO MAYOR AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENT.
THAT'S THAT'S PART OF MY PLAN, I'M SURE.
AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO MR. PATH ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M SURE HE'D BE IN FAVOR OF US COMING BACK AND GIVING YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT, AS FAR AS PERSONNEL AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE PROGRAM.
PERFECT. COUNCIL YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS ONE, OR ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DONNY'S RECOMMENDATION? I'M GOOD WITH IT. GOOD.
THANK YOU, SIR. THANKS, DONNY.
MRS. STORRS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK OVER TO YOU AND SEE WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO GO NEXT.
SO THE NEXT ITEM, I THINK, IS AN UPDATE FROM KYLE SCHNEIDERJAN RELATED TO STREETS.
MIC] THE DIRECTIVE THERE WAS BASICALLY LET'S HAVE A PLAN.
LET'S WHAT WHAT IS OUR PLAN? HOW ARE WE MOVING THIS FORWARD? HOW ARE WE GOING TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES? AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU, OBVIOUSLY, IS THAT GANTT CHART.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT LINE BY LINE.
AND THEN I THINK IT'LL ALL MAKE SENSE.
BUT YOU KNOW, GENERALLY EXACTLY THAT.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO WHAT WAS OUR COMMITMENT TO STREETS, WHAT WAS OUR PLAN FOR STREETS.
SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, WE HAVE A TIMING COMMITMENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE JUST ACTIONS.
WE HAVE AN ACTIONS COMMITMENT TO TO GET THIS THIS WORK DONE.
THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT BOILS DOWN TO THIS.
THERE'S THERE'S EFFECTIVELY $25 MILLION IN PROP ONE FUNDING THAT IS UNSPENT.
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SO $25 MILLION OF EXISTING ORIGINAL PROP ONE DOLLARS THAT THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE.THERE'S $8 MILLION OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING FORMERLY PROP ONE DOLLARS, BECAUSE IT WAS PROP ONE DOLLARS THAT WE THAT WE BASICALLY SWITCHED WITH CASH THAT WAS QUALIFYING EXPENSES TO THE TO PROP ONE WORK.
CAN I INTERRUPT REAL QUICK? WILL YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON? IT'S NOT PICKING IT UP FOR THE STREAM.
PUSH THE BUTTON. OH, THERE IT IS.
I SAW IT LIGHT UP AND I THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S ON.
OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. AND I CAN HEAR IT TOO.
OKAY. AND SO $25 MILLION IN PROP ONE DOLLARS $8 MILLION IN WHAT WE CALL FORMERLY PROP, FORMERLY PROP ONE DOLLARS THAT WERE SWITCHED WITH QUALIFIED EXPENSE CASH AND THEN AND THEN IN OUR PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET, [INAUDIBLE] OUR CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, THERE'S A $2.5 MILLION 24-25 BUDGET FOR STREETS.
SO REGULAR CAPITAL DOLLARS FOR STREETS.
BUT THE THE OTHER THING IS TIMING.
AND SO THERE IS AN 85% DEADLINE THAT IS IMPLEMENTED ON BOND DOLLARS IRS IMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH WE NEED TO HAVE 85% OF THOSE ORIGINAL PROP ONE, PROP ONE DOLLARS SPENT BY FEBRUARY OF 2026.
THAT'S INDICATED ON YOUR CHART BY THAT, BY THE RED LINE.
AND THEN AND THEN WE INTEND TO HAVE A 100% SPEND OF THOSE PROP ONE DOLLARS AS WELL.
AND SO AND THEN LASTLY, THE ACTIONS THAT WE THAT WE DISCUSSED GETTING TO THIS IMPLEMENTATION INCLUDED LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT LAURA AND I AND FLOYD AND I HAVE SAT DOWN AND LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN BE BETTER AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE CAN BE BETTER AT BEING ACCOUNTABLE FROM THE FINANCE GROUP TO CPND AND BE TRANSPARENT FROM THE CPND TO FINANCE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AUDIT.
ONE OF THOSE WAS LIKE THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATIONS OF PROJECT TO PROJECT TRANSFERS.
AND THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO AUDIT.
AND IT IS AND THAT AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT SOME SOME THINGS WITHIN OUR PROCESSES THAT ALLOW US TO REDUCE THOSE PROJECT TO PROJECT TRANSFERS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE SOLUTIONS COMING UP WITH THOSE ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN.
OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PLAN.
SO BASICALLY YOU GOT THREE COLORS ON YOUR CHART.
AND WHAT THAT AMOUNTS TO IS THAT'S, THAT'S DIVIDING PROJECTS INTO THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
THE ORANGE GROUP WE'RE CALLING OUR GROUP ONE.
THESE ARE THESE ARE OUR NOW PROJECTS.
THESE ARE ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION, ACTIVE DESIGN CONTRACTS OR PROJECTS THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, MOST OF WHICH ON THAT LIST ARE ALREADY CONTRACTED AND MOVING FORWARD.
THE GREEN BARS ON ON ON THAT LIST REPRESENT OUR GROUP TWO PROJECTS.
AND THOSE PROJECTS GENERALLY ARE CONTINGENT ON GROUP ONE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING WHAT WE'RE DESIGNING IN GROUP TWO AND THEN GROUP THREE.
THOSE BLUE PROJECTS ARE KIND OF OUR OTHER CATEGORY.
THEY ARE MOSTLY OUR MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.
BUT CURRENTLY THEY ARE NOT FUNDED.
THEY ARE THOSE ARE CURRENTLY UNFUNDED PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT CUMULATIVE SPEND IS MOVING, MOVING IN AN UPWARD MANNER.
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2025. AND THAT IS THAT'S THE CUMULATIVE SPEND OF ONLY THAT GROUP ONE PROJECT.THAT'S THE CUMULATIVE SPEND OF WHAT I'VE CURRENTLY GOT ACTIVE, CONTRACTED.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH DOLLARS ASSIGNED TO TO THOSE TWO.
AND SO THAT'S THEY START TO DIVERGE AS WE AS WE START TO SEE THE PLAN PROPOSING NEW MONEY WHERE WHERE THE PURPLE LINE STARTS TO GAIN ON THE ORANGE LINE.
THAT'S THE PROPOSAL OF NEW MONEY AND WHAT THAT SHOULD THAT ACCURATELY CORRELATES TO WHERE THE FIRST BLUE, THE FIRST BLUE BAR STARTS AND AND IT STARTS AND IT DIVERGES AS, AS THEY MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.
I APOLOGIZE A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT, BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO SAY IT.
THERE'S A 30 DAY WINDOW IN MY EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT THE MONEY COMES IN ON A LINEAR LINE.
BUT JUNE OR JULY OF 2025, WE'RE FORECASTING WE'VE SPENT 25 THE FULL $25 MILLION.
THAT IS THE REMAINING PROPOSITION BOND ONE DOLLARS PROPOSITION ONE BOND DOLLARS.
SORRY. THAT REMAINED TO BE SPENT.
THAT'S WELL IN ADVANCE OF OUR SPENDING DEADLINE OF FEBRUARY 2026.
I'M FORECASTING OUT ON THE ORANGE LINE ON OUR CURRENT CONTRACTED NO NEW MONIES TYPE PROJECTION.
I'M FORECASTING OUT I'VE SPENT $35.5 MILLION BY AUGUST OF 2026.
AND AND LIKEWISE, YOU COULD TRACK THAT BACK TO THE SAME IF I'M ADDING NEW PROJECTS THAT I CAN ACTUALLY BEAT THAT TIMELINE IF I'M FOLLOWING THE PURPLE LINE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT SO ALL THAT TO SAY, THIS IS MY PLAN.
ALL THAT TO SAY THAT WE'VE GOT CURRENT PROJECTS ON THE ORANGE PROJECTS AND THEY FAR EXCEED OUR CATEGORICAL TIMELINES, OUR DEADLINES FOR FEBRUARY 2026.
AND EVEN FURTHER, WE CAN CHOOSE AND WE CAN ELECT TO DO MORE THAN THAT THROUGH OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING EVEN TODAY. SO FIRST ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND THEN I'LL PROBABLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT GROUP THREE A LITTLE BIT.
TALK ABOUT GROUP THREE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
OKAY. SO A FEW QUESTIONS THERE.
YES SIR. $130 MILLION EXPENSED ON THIS GANTT CHART BY APRIL OF 2028.
IF WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR ROAD CONDITIONS, THIS IS OUR PAVEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT.
WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTED DETERIORATION OF ROADS BY THE TIME WE GET TO 28? IN, IN A GENERAL PERCENTAGE OF MAN, WE'RE KEEPING UP.
WE'RE BREAKING EVEN RIGHT THERE OR.
NO, WE'RE PROBABLY $50 MILLION AHEAD OF, LIKE, WHAT WE'VE LOST.
AND OUR OVERALL IS $200 MILLION WORTH OF CATCH UP.
WHERE? WHERE WOULD WE BE ON PACE TO GAIN ANY GROUND? YEAH. NO THANK YOU.
THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S A IT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER.
AND THE REASON WHY IS I'VE GOT MY OTHER CURVE RIGHT NOW IS ONE POINT.
SO IN MY OTHER CURVE IS BASED ON THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT THAT WE DID PREVIOUSLY.
AND WE ARE RECEIVING THE DATA ON THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT THE SECOND TIME.
I'VE JUST I'VE GOT ONE POINT ON A CURVE.
HOWEVER, THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY, BY THAT PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT YOU KNOW, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT ARE, THAT ARE KIND OF BEST CASE OR OPERATIONAL PRACTICES, BEST PRACTICE, SORRY, BEST PRACTICE TYPE RECOMMENDATIONS OF LIKE YOU SHOULD BE TRYING TO REPLACE 2 TO 3% OF YOUR SYSTEM EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
WHAT WE SAW WITH PROP ONE OVERALL IS WE TOOK A HUGE PIECE OF OUR NETWORK, WHICH WAS OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS, AND, AND BROUGHT THOSE INTO A, INTO A GOOD CONDITION.
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OUR OVERALL RATING, I THINK IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE AND DONNY MAY EVEN KNOW SOMEWHERE IN THE LOW 70S, PROBABLY 73, MAYBE 70, 72, 73.BUT AS AN AVERAGE, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE WHERE WE END UP.
AND, AND A BIG PIECE OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE TOOK, WE TOOK A HUGE VOLUME OF OUR NETWORK AND BROUGHT THAT UP INTO A GOOD TO MOSTLY GOOD RANGE.
WE WORKED ON THOSE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE EXISTING PROP ONE DOLLARS.
AND SO STATISTICALLY, THAT HELPS A LOT.
THE NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH 2 TO 3% OF OUR SYSTEM REPLACEMENT IS, IS BIG AND IT'S, IT'S BIGGER THAN $130 MILLION.
BUT BUT WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN THOSE STREET ASSESSMENT PLANS WAS MAKING A BEST FIRST MODEL WHERE WE'RE SPENDING OUR DOLLARS ON A STREET THAT CAN BE MAINTAINED.
WE'RE SPENDING OUR MAINTENANCE DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT IS MAINTAINABLE, AND WE'RE THEN WE SEEK ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND ADDITIONAL MEANS TO DO THE THINGS THAT AREN'T MAINTAINABLE, THE RECONSTRUCTIONS.
THAT LEADS ME GREATLY INTO MY MY GROUP THREE PROJECTS, THESE BLUE PROJECTS.
WELL, THOSE PROJECTS THAT THAT I'M SHOWING IN IN THAT IN BLUE THERE START WITH THERE'S THERE'S THREE REPETITIVE MAINTENANCE TYPE PROGRAMS. THAT'S THOSE ARE APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION EACH.
AND THE REASON THAT'S $5 MILLION IS APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION IDENTIFIED FROM THE BUDGET, GENERATES A $5 MILLION BOND ON A SIX MONTH OR SIX YEAR SORRY REPAYMENT WINDOW.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SIX YEAR ROLLING BOND PLAN THAT GENERATES $5 MILLION A YEAR FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.
THAT'S A NUMBER THAT IS ACHIEVABLE BY IN CONSTRUCTION TERMS, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET GET IT CONSTRUCTED AND NOT SEE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF POSTS ABOUT ORANGE BARRELS ON YOUR FACEBOOK LEADS.
THAT BUT BUT IT'S IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS IT'S PROBABLY SHORT OF WHAT THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE TWO CURVES AND WHERE THEY WHERE THEY CROSS EACH OTHER.
THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE ARE THE RECONSTRUCTIONS, AND I'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS LISTED AT $12 MILLION APIECE, THAT FUNDING BEING UNIDENTIFIED.
AND IN GENERAL, WE ANTICIPATE THAT DEPENDING ON THE ROADWAY, THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2 TO 4 MILES OF ARTERIAL RECONSTRUCTION.
AND SO AND DEPENDING ON THE WIDTH AND WHICH ONE WE'RE DOING AND HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS.
SO THAT WAS A REALLY LONG WAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE I REALLY EVEN GOT THERE PERFECT.
I THINK IF I'M ASKING YOU TO GUESS ALL I WOULD ASK IS WHAT'S OUR TOTAL VALUED INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW? WAS IT $400 MILLION WAS EXPECTED MAINTENANCE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS OF LIKE.
BUT LIKE, DO WE HAVE $1 BILLION WORTH OF ROADS OUT THERE TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE? I'M GOING TO GET THIS TO A PERCENTAGE OF 3% IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
SO IF YOU HAD A RECOMMENDATION, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY ONE WE CAN GO ON.
WHAT'S THE DOLLAR VALUE FOR 3 TO 4% OF YOUR UPDATES ANNUALLY? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I CAN GET IT TO YOU, AND I'M I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT'S $1 BILLION WORTH OF ASSETS, AND I HAVE IT. I HAD IT IN I HAVE IT IN MY PDP DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE I DID THOSE CALCULATIONS 4 OR 5 A YEAR AGO, MORE THAN A YEAR
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AGO. BUT WHAT I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO GAUGE IS, IS WHERE WHERE YOUR $12 MILLION SITS IN, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THAT $12 MILLION IS ANNUALIZED, THEN YOU'RE CATCHING UP, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 2%, 3%.IS THAT RIGHT? DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS.
YEP. OKAY. AND YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THE FIELD.
BUT THEN BASED ON THIS, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD GANTT CHART, IT'S HELPFUL.
IF ANYTHING, IT'S GOING TO KEEP US AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL VERY HELPFUL.
THE PIECE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF GRAYSON WANTS TO SPEAK TO OR NOT, YOU KNOW COUNCIL HAD AN IDEA LAST YEAR THAT WE WOULD BORROW $14 MILLION, ROUGHLY ON A MILLION, AND THAT'S A 20 YEAR PAYOUT SO.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER TEN, 12 YEARS WORTH OF PAYMENTS ON SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T FUNCTION ANYMORE WITH THE INTENTION OF WE NEEDED TO BUILD THAT IN SO THAT WE HAD AN ONGOING DEBT FUNDING SERVICE OR SOURCE.
YES. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE REVOLVING REVOLVING BOND PROGRAM HERE.
IT'S LIKE TAKING OUT A 20 YEAR LOAN ON A CAR THAT YOU SOLD.
AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU STILL GOT 15 YEARS OF PAYMENTS ON IT.
AND SO SO THAT'S THAT'S THE THOUGHT THERE.
SO WE TOOK THE WE HAD $1 MILLION IN THE BUDGET THERE TO WORK WITH.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH, I THINK 5.4.
SO ABOUT A SIX YEAR NOTE ABOUT 5.3 ISH.
AND AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO START WORKING TOWARDS.
YEAH. IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY HIT THE FULL SPECTRUM.
BUT AGAIN, ONE WAY OF DOING THAT IS YOU MAY NEED, INSTEAD OF A MILLION, MAYBE DO ONE AND A HALF.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS BEING A REVOLVING LOAN.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PROGRAM IS SUSTAINABLE.
SO A MILLION SEEMS SUSTAINABLE AT THIS POINT.
BUT WE CAN FORECAST THAT WAY EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE 5 TO $6 MILLION ADDED TO FOR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE.
THEN IN 6 OR 7 YEARS, WE'RE BACK TO THE FIRST BOND GOING OFF AND WE'RE BACK TO DOING ANOTHER BOND.
IT STARTS TO REVOLVE AT THAT POINT THERE.
AT THAT POINT, YOU'VE KIND OF ACCLIMATED TO YOUR TAX RATE AT THAT POINT.
SO NOW IF WE HAD IF WE HAD MORE DISPOSABLE FUNDS TODAY INSTEAD OF A MILLION SAY WE HAD 2 MILLION, THEN WE COULD PROBABLY PURSUE A $10 MILLION BOND AND DO $10 MILLION WORTH OF WORK OVER A FIVE YEAR NOTE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING OFF THAT $1 MILLION NUMBER THAT WE HAVE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT GIVE US IN A BOND AND A 5 TO 7 YEAR NOTE.
RIGHT. AND THE DRAWBACK ON THAT IS I THINK THIS COUNCIL WAS LOOKING MORE TOWARDS THE SOLUTION BEING $12-15 MILLION WORTH OF WORK EVERY YEAR. AND THAT WAS NOT IT WAS NOT LOGICAL TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO FIND $12 MILLION EVERY YEAR IN OUR BUDGET AND THEN WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST PRIORITIZE THAT. WE'LL WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE CITY'S NEEDS AND HAVE $12 MILLION LEFT OVER TO CASH FUND.
AND THEN IF WE DID THAT, I THINK WE'D BE RIGHT ON BUDGET AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BORROW ANY MONEY BECAUSE WE KNEW WHAT WE CAN FIND A MILLION EVERY YEAR AND WE CAN BORROW, YOU KNOW, $12, $13, $14 MILLION.
WE WERE LOOKING LONG TERM IN BORROWING OUR WAY OUT OF THIS ISSUE, BUT WE WERE ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE COULD DO $12-14 MILLION PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE A 15 YEAR LIFESPAN.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DESIGNED FOR A FOR COLTER DESIGNED FOR BELL.
THOSE ONES THERE GET TO THE GREEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE CONSTRUCT, CONSTRUCT, CONSTRUCT.
PART OF THE ISSUE WITH PROP ONE WAS WE ENDED UP TAKING A LOT OF MONEY WITHOUT A PLAN.
SO THE IDEA BEING WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN THE PROJECTS USING THE PROP ONE FUNDS.
THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE PROPOSED HERE.
AND THEN BACK TO THE OTHER POINT THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE 2024 SOME MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS.
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SO THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE GOT CLOSE TO $15-20 MILLION WORTH OF WORTH OF MAINTENANCE PROJECTS PLANNED.SO USING THE EXISTING FUNDS WE HAVE IN PLACE TO GET THOSE THINGS SPENT BY THE DEADLINES.
WELL WE RAN THIS STUFF PAST OUR FINANCIAL AND BOND COUNCIL.
THEY'RE VERY PLEASED WE HAVE A PLAN NOW.
THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE. IRS DEADLINES ARE KIND OF VAGUE.
COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON MAYBE THE REDIRECT THERE FROM SOME OF YOUR THE RECOMMENDATION FROM MR. PATH? I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT UTILIZING OUR POSITION TO LEVERAGE THIS, YOU KNOW, IN A DEBT SERVICE I&S SIDE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GAINING A LOT OF GROUND IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE REST OF THE BUDGET AND THE CITY. REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB, STAFF ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE JUST COME THROUGH OVER THE LAST YEAR.
THIS ONE, I THINK WE'RE STILL GOING, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE'RE TRYING.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE TO WHAT LES SAYS, MAYBE IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR.
MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING BACK AROUND THE TEN YEAR LOOK.
YOU KNOW, 7 TO 10 YEARS, A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
LET'S GET IT OUT THERE. PLUS, I THINK CONTRACTORS ARE DIFFICULT.
AND WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN A THIRD OF THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO GO DESIGN $15 MILLION.
WELL, WE GOT FIVE. SO AT THAT POINT, WHAT WE'LL SEE IS WHAT HAPPENED TO US LAST TIME.
PLUS, IDENTIFY THE OTHER BONDS THAT ARE COMING OFF IN 29, 30, 32, WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE WE WE HAVE A LITTLE LATITUDE THERE FROM EXISTING DEBT SERVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS MAY BE FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING A ROOF ON ANYTIME SOON.
SO I'LL NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ANNUAL FUNDING IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT FEASIBLY WORK.
COUNCIL YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? DO WE HAVE IT? LAURA, IS THERE A WAY TO COME UP WITH AN ADDITIONAL BECAUSE WE ARE HOLDING THAT PENNY BACK, RIGHT? IS THAT HOW WE WERE GENERATING GENERATING THE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DONE IN THE CURRENT YEAR'S TAX RATE, IT WAS ABOUT $1 MILLION.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT GOT YOU ABOUT $5.3 MILLION OVER A SIX YEAR TIME PERIOD.
AND WE COULD I MEAN, WE COULD WORK ON A TEN YEAR BASIS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL MATCH THE LIFE OF WHAT THE ASSET IS THAT WE'RE PRODUCING FROM IT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE STREETS WILL LAST.
THAT'S MY QUESTION IS I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.
YEAH, BUT CAN WE BUDGET A SEVEN YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR TEN YEARS? POSSIBLY. AND BE FINE IN IN THE WAY IN WHICH WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO PUT MONEY INTO THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR BUDGET? YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MONIES WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT ARE GOING FOR THESE CONTRACTOR PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING OUT AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE POTHOLE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE GET TEN YEARS OUT OF THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, WE PAID FOR THEM ON YEAR ONE, YOU KNOW.
SO WHAT WAS THAT MILLION DOLLARS.
YEAH. SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT.
I THINK I KNOW I'D BE COMFORTABLE AT A MILLION FIVE.
WHAT DOES A MILLION FIVE LOOK LIKE OVER TEN YEARS? YEAH, WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE NICE THING IS, IN OUR ORANGE CHART, WE'VE GOT THE ORANGE ALL BUDGETED FOR.
SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR BUDGET FOR THAT.
WE'VE GOT THAT ALLOCATED SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE ORANGE HERE.
BUT WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME MORE WITH SOME IDEAS ON THE, ON THE OTHER SORRY ANOTHER THOUGHT WOULD BE LIKE, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A HALF MILLION FOR PARKS AND REC.
WOULD THOSE BE FIVE YEARS? HOW LONG WERE THOSE NOTES? THOSE NOTES I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT A TEN YEAR NOTE ON THOSE.
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AND ON A MILLION WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THERE? IT WAS ABOUT NINE, I THINK.OH, IT WAS EIGHT FIVE, I THINK.
NOW, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE A TEN YEAR NOTE ON THESE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A POLICY DECISION.
AND SO SO WE'LL FOLLOW THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL TAKES ON THAT.
YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MATCH LIFESPAN OF THE PROJECT WITH THE PAYOFF IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
OKAY. AND I THINK THAT YOU CAN LEVERAGE THAT WITH SOME CONSERVATIVE THINKING IN THE WAY IN WHICH YOU HAVE A BASE THAT IS A CONSTANT REVENUE.
SO CURRENTLY WE WE HAVE 100 AND SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DEBT SERVICE ON THE BONDS.
AND THEN MOST OF THOSE ARE NOT 20 YEAR REPAIRS.
SO WE KIND OF ALREADY GONE DOWN THAT ROAD.
WAY TO GO. SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE LIMITING THE DESIGN.
I THINK WE'RE LIMITING OUR REACH AT $5.5 MILLION.
SO WE WOULD DO BOTH PARALLEL TO EACH OTHER.
AND SO THEY'RE LISTED IN GREEN BECAUSE WE KNOW WHICH ONES THOSE ARE.
THOSE ARE OUR COMMITMENTS RELATED TO PROP ONE AND AND OTHER COMMITMENTS.
AND THEN DOWN IN THE BLUE THEY'RE JUST CALLED YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST CALLED ARTERIAL RECONSTRUCTION.
BUT IT'S A $12 MILLION PRICE TAG.
BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE GETTING $20 MILLION WORTH OF.
WORK OUT THERE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, I THINK YOU ARE CATCHING UP OVER A TEN YEAR SPAN.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS NEED DIRECTION WISE? I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMFORTABLE UP OVER A MILLION.
COULD BE A MILLION 2 MILLION AND A HALF, I DON'T KNOW.
LET'S SHORTEN THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THOSE UP, BUT THEN NOT.
WE CAN MANAGE THOSE TWO THINGS SEPARATELY, TOO.
I MEAN, WE CAN MANAGE A MAINTENANCE BOND THAT THAT THAT HAS THAT SIX YEAR ROLLING CYCLE.
[INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE $2.5 MILLION IN YOUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S BEING SHOWN AS ALLOCATED TO THE ORANGE SECTION.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE SIGNING CONTRACTS FOR DESIGN AND SO FORTH.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY LINED UP TO PAY THOSE BILLS.
SO YOU'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE TWO AND A HALF WE ORIGINALLY WAS PULLED IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF BUDGET THAT WE WANTED TO GO BACK, CORRECT? YES. AND IT'S SET TO GO BACK.
SO YES, WHETHER WE WERE SAYING, LET'S SPEND $4 MILLION A YEAR IN ROAD REPAIRS AND LET'S JUST CASH FLOW IT EVERY YEAR, OR WE WERE SAYING, HEY, LET'S SPEND $2 MILLION A YEAR IN CASH FLOW AND LET'S USE $2 MILLION A YEAR TO GO AND GET ANOTHER $10 MILLION OUT THERE EVERY YEAR. WE'RE SUSTAINABLE IN THE IN THE BUDGET A LOT, A LOT WITH THE FLEET IDEA.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO SAYING, WELL, LET'S LEASE THESE VEHICLES EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE DEBT.
BECAUSE THEY, THEY DO TURN OVER AT SEVEN YEARS OR FIVE.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING A GOOD DIRECTION.
THE GANTT CHARTS ARE REALLY HELPFUL.
PULL IT BACK, BUT TRY TO PULL IT BACK TO TEN AND LET'S SEE WHAT 20 DOWN TO 10 LOOKS LIKE WITH A CONSERVATIVE VIEW INSTEAD OF GOING 20 TO 5, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOSE OUT ON SOME GOOD PROJECTS AT FIVE.
ALL RIGHT. SO QUICK QUESTION KIND OF BEGINNING WITH THE END IN MIND.
THAT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DERIVE A PLAN THAT KEEPS OUR ROADS IN FAIRLY GOOD CONDITION.
YES, SIR. IS IS THIS IS THIS PLAN ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IS IT ENOUGH? I MEAN, DO WE FEEL CONFIDENT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSISTENTLY DO IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, WHICH COULD MEAN MULTIPLE COUNCILS.
I MEAN, IS THAT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH GET OUR END GOAL?
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WELL, THIS ABSOLUTELY MOVES THE NEEDLE WITH COLONIZED CONVERSATION ABOUT GETTING OUR GETTING OUR SECOND POINT ON THAT OTHER CURVE REALLY HELPS ME UNDERSTAND HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THE LONGER TERM ACHIEVEMENT OF OF THE GOAL YOU'RE DESCRIBING EFFECTIVELY.YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID OUR FIRST PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THEY, THEY HAD AN INVESTMENT NUMBER THAT THEY SAID, IF YOU'LL INVEST THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR AVERAGE AT AND I THINK OUR TARGET AT THAT TIME WAS AROUND 70, 73 WAS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SO WHATEVER THERE IS, THERE'S AN AVERAGE PCI, THERE'S AN AVERAGE GRADE CONDITION OF OUR STREET.
THAT'S A POLICY CONVERSATION JUST LIKE JASON KIND OF MENTIONED THAT LIKE WE MAY COME BACK AND SAY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 73 AND A 65 OR THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS. BUT I GOT TO HAVE THAT SECOND POINT BEFORE I CAN BEFORE I CAN REALLY GIVE YOU A GREAT ANSWER.
WE LOOKED AT THIS FIRST OFF ON HOW DO WE GET PROP ONE SPENT? HOW DO WE GET DONE QUICKLY AND ON TIME SO WE CAN START DOING MORE BONDS AGAIN? HOW DO WE GET PROP ONE PROJECTS BEING DONE, WHICH IS COLTERS BELLS KIND OF PROJECTS? HOW DO WE PLAN FOR FOR TAKING OUT THE BOND FOR THOSE PROJECTS? AND ALSO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE USE THAT MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS WHAT WAS SET ASIDE? HOW DO WE USE THAT TO LINE IT UP WITH MAINTENANCE PROJECTS IN A REASONABLE WAY SO WE CAN START REVOLVING? SO THOSE ARE THE POINTS WE'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH TO TO ESTABLISH THAT IT ALL CAME DOWN TO THE MONEY WE HAD AVAILABLE TO WORK WITH.
WHAT DO YOU GOT TIPPS? OH, NOTHING. I'M GOOD.
I'M JUST WORKING SOME NUMBERS REAL GOOD.
YEAH I KNOW WE'VE TRIED TO WE'RE TRYING TO DO AN EXEC.
WHAT ELSE DID YOU HAVE ON THIS MEETING? I HAD ONE MORE REQUEST TO ADD ON THE LOOKING AT YOUR LOOKING AT YOUR ONE TIME BUDGET.
I OF COURSE, I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF EMPLOYEES.
THEY FEEL THERE'S A SENSE THAT THEY'RE NOT PAID CORRECTLY.
ONE WAY OF DETERMINING IF WE'RE IF WE ARE OR NOT IS THROUGH A STUDY.
AND THEN WHAT I LOOK FOR I DO AS I'VE DONE IN NEBRASKA CITY AND PARIS.
I TRY TO FIND THAT THAT FAIR MARK BETWEEN WHAT IS WHAT ARE THE TAXPAYERS WILLING TO PAY AND WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS WHAT'S FAIR FOR THE EMPLOYEES? I TRY TO FIND THAT THAT MIDDLE PART THERE FOR FAIRNESS THERE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES AND SO FORTH.
NOW WITH THIS, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT, OH, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MASSIVE SHIFT IN PAY.
AND SO AND SO WITH THAT THAT THAT RANGES MAY SHIFT BUT PAY CAN BE PHASED IN.
AND SO THAT'D BE MY REQUEST THAT WE CAN ADD THAT AS A ONE TIME EXPENSE.
OH COME ON. YOU'VE BEEN HERE SIX WEEKS NOW.
DO THESE STUDIES, DO THEY INCORPORATE THE BENEFITS AS WELL? I MEAN, WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, THEY LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE SALARY THAT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE TOO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT PAY BECAUSE BENEFITS IS ANOTHER ASSET OF THIS ANOTHER ANOTHER FACET OF THIS.
SO BECAUSE OUR HOURS WE MAY HAVE WE HAVE LOW PAY VERSUS VERSUS PRICE SAID WE HAVE GOOD BENEFITS.
AND SO AND WITH THIS I TYPICALLY COMPARE BETWEEN COMPARABLE CITIES.
AND ALSO TO I DON'T LIKE TO COMPARE LIBRARIAN TO UTILITY WORKER OR UTILITY WORKER TO POLICE OFFICER.
I TRY TO COMPARE IT TO SIMILAR SOLID WASTE, TO SOLID WASTE, WATER TO WATER, POLICE TO POLICE.
BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, BUT THEY DO VASTLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
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WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PAY SCALE STUDY DONE? WE DID A STUDY BACK IN 2016.SO IT'S BEEN EIGHT YEARS, AND IT WAS A SCALED BACK IMPLEMENTATION THAT IT WAS NOT THE FULL BLOWN, PHASED IN IMPLEMENTATION.
QUESTION. SO THE THE $200,000 SOUNDS REALLY EXPENSIVE.
WE WOULD TRY TO BRING THAT DOWN.
SO I JUST WANT TO JUST GET THAT AS AN EARMARK.
BUT WE WOULD TRY TO BREAK THAT DOWN.
STAFF WOULD BE WORKING TO DO A PART OF THAT AND TRY TO BRING THAT COST DOWN.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO TELL YOU $50,000 WHEN IT COMES IN AT $130, RIGHT.
I THINK WHAT WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS YOU EARMARK THE $200,000 YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU KIND OF LOOK AND SELECT, BUT THEN, COUNCIL MAY COULD HAVE A BETTER ROLE IN SELECTING THE CONSULTANT.
THIS IS KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE THEM. WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO LOOK AT THESE RFPS THAT WE GET BACK AND SCORE THEM TOGETHER AND BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL WHEN THAT TIME COMES. IF THAT'S IF THAT'S I THINK IF COUNCIL COULD COULD KEEP THEIR THUMB ON THE CONSULTING FIRM A LITTLE BIT, THEN THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SPENDING THE MONEY AND GETTING SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND, AND MIGHT HELP US WITH THE LARGE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE JUST PUT INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AND SETTING EXPECTATIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE A REALLY GOOD VICTORY IN YEAR ONE AND TURN IT INTO A DISAPPOINTMENT IN YEAR TWO BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT WAS SO MUCH IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF EXPECTED THAT EVERY YEAR.
RIGHT? SO SOME OF THESE STUDIES WOULD HELP US IN MANAGING EXPECTATIONS.
YES. AND SOMETIMES EMPLOYEES AND I'LL JUST SAY SOMETIMES WE HAVE UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS AS WELL.
SO THIS STUDY CAN HELP SHOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY FAIR.
SO YOU'RE TAKING THAT FROM 3.201 TO 3.01.
COUNCIL. ARE YOU OKAY WITH LETTING MR. PATH WORK ON THAT? AND ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER OR ARE WE GOOD IF IF SCHERLEN AND TIPPS ARE WILLING TO DO THIS JOINTLY WITH THE THE TIMING THEY'RE ALREADY SPENDING ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE REVIEW.
I'M GOOD WITH LETTING THEM STAY ON THERE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE? I LIKE THE IDEA, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IT'D BE WORTH DOING.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO US.
THANK YOU. AND DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON MAYOR AND COUNCIL'S PAY REVIEW.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO FIND OUT WE'RE UNDERPAID.
I WASN'T GOING TO BRING THAT UP.
YEAH, YEAH, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.
SO SO ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO OUR BUDGET, OUR ONGOING BUDGET, WE PULLED SOME MONEY OUT OF LEGAL KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB OF HOPEFULLY SETTLING, MEDIATING, CLOSING OUT SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO WE WE'VE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING HERE FOR KIND OF LIKE A PROTOCOL FOR HYDE KELLY.
AND REALLY, ANY OUTSIDE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE MAKE SOME HEADWAY IN HAVING CITY COUNCIL'S SPECIAL COUNSEL.
SO MY MY CURIOSITY WOULD BE COUNCIL CAN WE PUT MONEY BACK INTO OUR LEGAL IN A BUDGET THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO UTILIZE HYDE KELLY OR ANOTHER FIRM ON DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE NEED AND COUPLE THAT WITH A PROTOCOL.
NOW, WHAT THIS PROTOCOL WOULD LOOK LIKE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURE.
WELL, THAT MAY NOT BE MONEY WELL SPENT.
SO WHY DID YOU WASTE OUR MONEY? SO WHAT IF WE PUT A PROTOCOL IN WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONE COUNCIL HAS TO GET WITH ANOTHER, SO YOU'D HAVE TWO GOING.
HEY, MAYOR TOLD ME TO LOOK AT THIS.
I NEED ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
NOW, THIS WOULD BE SET ASIDE IN ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION.
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BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT REALLY REQUIRES THAT ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE, OUR DAY TO DAY WORKING OPERATIONS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURED.SO WHAT'S BEEN GREAT FOR ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS I GET TO SEE HOW MANY DISCUSSIONS HE HAD, WHERE I WAS UPDATED, AND I ALREADY KNEW AND THEN THE THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW. AND SO YOU WOULD START GETTING THAT SAME FEEDBACK, AND STAFF WOULD SEE THE SAME FEEDBACK COMING IN FROM FROM OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL.
BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID.
HEY, ON PROJECT X, Y, Z, DON AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WE WENT TO GEORGE.
GEORGE THINKS IT'LL RUN $20 GRAND.
AND SO NOW WE WANT TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL VOTE ON THE $20.
I DON'T MIND THAT. I DO LIKE THE PROTOCOL.
I THINK THAT MAYBE WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT WILLY NILLY WITH USING HIM.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN GREAT TO HAVE BUT I DO THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MAYBE TONED BACK A LITTLE BIT, OR AT LEAST WITH THE APPROVAL OF IT, AT LEAST ANOTHER COUNCIL IF NOT MORE TO I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE TO AVOID A QUORUM, BUT THEN WE DO HAVE THE MESSAGE BOARD OR SOMETHING, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN SOME DUPLICATION AND SOME OVERSPENDING IN IN THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT.
IT'LL ALSO KEEP US OUT OF THE THE DOUBLE HANDLING OF THE WORK.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW, BUT CRAFT HAD GOTTEN WITH BRYAN ON THAT.
AND SO WE ARE WE'RE WE'RE DOUBLE HANDLING SOME WORK.
THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR PHONE CALL, NOT $20,000 WORTH OF WORK.
AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS I VISITED WITH HIM ABOUT HIS BILL, SO OUR COSTS ARE DRASTICALLY COMING DOWN.
SO GEORGE IS GOING TO DO THIS.
HE WORKS WITH TEAMS LIKE OURS ALL THE TIME.
SO HE GETS TO TELL US HOW HE FEELS LIKE HE WORKS BEST.
THIS IS GOING TO GO TO TO MR. PATH AND BRYAN IN THE WAY OF COLLABORATION OF HEY BRYAN, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE? AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON A BETTER ROAD.
SO IF YOU ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT, I WOULD TAKE YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WANTED TO SAY, $200,000, $250,000, PUT IT BACK INTO THE LEGAL BUDGET, AND THEN WE STILL HAVE CLOSE TO $3 MILLION ONGOING.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT. LET ME ASK YOU, JUST.
OKAY. I'M JUST THINKING THIS THROUGH HERE ON A COUPLE OF WAYS.
I MEAN, IF I LOOKED AT MAYBE A PROTOCOL OF AND WHAT IF WE SAID OUR PROTOCOL WAS THAT WE'RE SENDING THINGS WHEN ALL OF COUNCIL HAS DETERMINED THAT WE WANT TO GET THAT INSTEAD OF JUST TWO PEOPLE.
I MEAN, I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS, WELL, IF I HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT I'VE GONE TO TALK WITH SOMEONE ELSE, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, I MEAN, SO WHAT WHAT ISSUES WOULD COME UP? I MEAN, WHERE WOULD BE THE THE POTENTIAL DOWNFALL OF SAYING THAT ENTIRE COUNCIL WOULD SEND IT? BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IT, I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT WE SEND TO AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL IS VERSUS INSIDE COUNCIL IS STILL AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. WHEREAS, I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT INSIDE COUNCIL, WE'RE PAYING A FLAT RATE FOR THAT, I GUESS, NO MATTER THE WORK.
AND WHEN WE SEND IT TO AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL, THAT IS AN INCREASED COST.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S IN THE BUDGET, SO I GUESS THOSE WOULD BE MY MY TWO QUESTIONS.
AND SO LIKE YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT YOUR COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IS POLITICAL.
THERE COULD BE SEVEN OF US UP HERE.
AND SO THAT PLUS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, PIAS, YOU KNOW, OR OIRS THINGS LIKE THAT SO IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS AN ISSUE TO MAYBE LOOK AT A TEXT MESSAGE AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH BRYAN HANDLING THAT, I FELT LIKE IT WAS AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS POLITICALLY CHALLENGED, LET'S SAY, IN, IN AN AREA.
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WELL, I HAVE A CONCERN THAT YOU DON'T SHARE, BUT IT MAY BE A VULNERABILITY THAT WE DON'T SHARE.IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF POLICY.
AND SO TIME SENSITIVE INFORMATION NOW YOU'RE TWO WEEKS BEHIND.
YES, SIR. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT, BRYAN IS THIS A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE AS AN AGENDA ITEM OR CAN WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION? I JUST I'M THINKING ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS HERE.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A POLICY THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
I APPRECIATE THE CAUTION, BUT I AM ADDRESSING A BUDGET ITEM WITH HIM, AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILMAN SIMPSON IS COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING, SAY, A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OVER THERE, KNOWING THAT WHATEVER THE PROTOCOL IS IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD ALL AGREE ON AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME LEVER SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE GUNSLINGER MENTALITY.
WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S JUST BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE I MEAN, WE KIND OF SAID, HEY, IF YOU GOT A QUESTION, GO TALK TO GEORGE ABOUT IT, BUT WHERE'S THE CHECK AND BALANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT $180,000 INSTEAD OF $70,000 OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THE OTHER THING I THINK IS, I MEAN, IF WE'RE INCLUDING THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING, MAYBE NOT ONLY, OF COURSE YOU KNOW, I GUESS HE WOULD KNOW ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, BUT JUST ON THE RESOURCES SIDE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE A CHECK AND BALANCE IN THAT.
WELL, I LIKE THAT, PLUS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO FILTER OUT LIKE WHAT ARE YOU ALREADY WORKING ON? AND THEN WHAT ISSUE DO YOU AS A COUNCILMAN HAVE WHERE YOU'RE NOT TALKING TO YOUR CITY MANAGER? SO LIKE IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE THAT WE'RE WE'RE HAVING TO WORK AROUND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING NOT TO DO.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO WORK AROUND OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
SO IF THE ISSUE IS, HEY, MR. CITY MANAGER I'VE TRIED FOR A MONTH HERE TO GET AN ANSWER OUT OF LEGAL.
CAN'T GET IT. I WANT TO GO OVER HERE.
THAT HELPS YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT'S HE BOGGED DOWN IN? WHAT'S THE ISSUE? OR DID I NOT COMMUNICATE IT? AND AM I THE PROBLEM? YOU KNOW. SO I THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, RUNNING QUARTERBACK ON THIS IS GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ONE OR MORE COUNCIL WITH YOU.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD DISCUSSION FOR OUR FUTURE MEETING AFTER WE GET THE ADVISEMENT FROM HYDE.
WELL, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GRAYSON THINKS.
AND HE MAY ADVISE AND SAY, LIKE, IF I HAD SOMETHING AND I TALKED WITH TOM ABOUT IT, I MAY TAKE IT TO HIM, HIS ADVICE MAY BE COUNCILMAN SIMPSON I APPRECIATE IT, BUT I THINK THIS IS A COUNCIL ISSUE.
MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
I KNOW THERE ARE TIMES WHERE I MAY BE INDIVIDUALLY TALKING WITH HIM SOMETHING AND YOU SAY, NO, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE TO THE FULL COUNCIL AND THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD RELATE TO THIS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE CONTINUING TO HAVE THAT ROLE ON THIS, TO BE THE CONDUIT.
AND THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES UP TO US THAT WE GET INFORMATION ON, THAT WE'RE JUST IN THE LOOP ON, WE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE ONLY TALKED WITH ONE OTHER PERSON, BUT ALL THE REST OF US ARE IN THE LOOP ON WHAT THAT ISSUE MAY BE.
BUDGET IS BUDGET IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WOULD LIKE IT PROPOSED THAT WAY.
YES, SIR. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
LET'S DO IT. OKAY, SO WE GOT A MOTION.
MISS LAURA, YOU'RE YOU'RE GOOD WITH.
OR DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? AM I HEARING $200 OR $250? $250.
I'LL LET YOU VOTE ON IT LATER, BUT THAT GIVES US ENOUGH FOR DIRECTION NOW.
OKAY. OKAY. SO PUT THAT BACK IN AND THEN WHAT ELSE DID YOU NEED TO COVER BEFORE WE TRY TO DO A QUICK EXEC? I HAD ONE JUST QUICK THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT AND IT'S OUTLINED IN YOUR LETTER.
BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL OPTIONS ON THE SOLID WASTE RATES TO FUND THE POLY CART PROGRAM.
AND I THINK THE LAST DIRECTION WE HAD WAS JUST TO COME BACK WITH OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
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AND SO WE'VE BUILT IT IN WE ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S A IT'S A $1.7 MILLION SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST.AND WE HAVE IT BUILT IN AT A 60/40 SPLIT.
SO 60 FROM RESIDENTIAL, 40 FROM COMMERCIAL.
WHAT THAT WOULD TRANSLATE TO IS A 5.6% INCREASE FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
THAT'S ON AVERAGE ABOUT $1.28 PER MONTH.
AND THEN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT AN 8.7% INCREASE.
SO ON YOUR COMMERCIAL RATE, THAT WOULD BE 8.7 FOR POLY CART'S, 8% FOR THE BULK WASTE PROGRAM THAT DONNY JUST WENT OVER FOR A TOTAL OF 16.7%. AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, LOOKING BACK AT THOSE RATES, THAT CAN I MEAN, IT VARIES BASED ON HOW MANY CONTAINERS THEY HAVE AND HOW MANY PICKUPS THEY HAVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT IT WAS I THINK IT WAS LIKE $20 IF YOU HAD AN EIGHT YARD CONTAINER TWICE A WEEK.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS BUILT IN YOUR BUDGET.
I WILL SAY WE ARE DOING FIRST READINGS, AND SO MY PRESENTATIONS DON'T HAVE THESE TWO CHANGES IN IT.
IT'S A NET ZERO CHANGE TO YOUR BUDGET OVERALL, BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS TAKING IT OUT OF WORKING BUDGET, PUTTING IT IN A DEDICATED LINE ITEM FOR PROFESSIONAL LEGAL FEES AND THEN FOR A PAY STUDY.
SO NOT A BIG DEAL THERE, BUT WE WILL HAVE A THIRD VERSION OF THE BUDGET THAT WILL BE PRODUCED.
MY FINANCE TEAM IS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL GET A THIRD VERSION POSTED OUT THERE, AND SO YOU'LL SEE AN ORIGINAL ONE POSTED ON THE 9TH, AND THEN ONE POSTED SOMETIME BEFORE NEXT TUESDAY, AND IT'LL TRACK THOSE CHANGES BETWEEN THEM.
SO ANY QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK OR OTHER CHANGES? MAYBE SO. NO. OKAY.
SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS IN OUR REGULAR MEETING.
BUT ON THE PHARMACY PLAN WE BACKED UP AND DID THE $750.
SO WE CERTAINLY COULD JUST PLEASE KEEP IN MIND NOT ALL OF THAT COMES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT WHAT MEDICATIONS PEOPLE CHOOSE IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS HINDSIGHT.
SO I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION BACK ON THE POLY CARTS, $1.7 TO PURCHASE THE POLY CARTS.
IT'S ALSO THE EQUIPMENT TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE POLY CARTS.
YEAH. AND THAT WAS ONE TIME OR THAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE ADDED IN EVERY YEAR.
YEAH. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU KNOW.
YOU CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS EVERY YEAR.
AND SO IT'S FOR THE, THE COST OF THE EQUIPMENT TO OPERATE IT.
SO IT'S THE UPFRONT COST AND THEN IT'S THE ONGOING COST TO OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT EACH YEAR.
AND THEN THE YES. AN EXPANSION OF THE PROGRAM AS WELL.
SO IT'LL GIVE SOME BREATHING ROOM AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS EITHER EXPAND OR COME ON INTO SERVICE THAT WE CAN HELP, YOU KNOW, SERVICE THEM THROUGH THOSE POLY CART PROGRAMS EARLIER THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST STUCK WITH HAND COLLECTIONS.
THEY ARE AT THIS POINT AND SO ONLINE.
YES. YEAH. SO NOW ALREADY IDENTIFIED 2 OR 3 MORE THAT WILL BE COMING ONLINE.
YEAH. WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR GROWTH THERE AS WELL.
AND SO I THOUGHT WE HAD ALREADY FUNDED THAT IN OUR ONE TIME PAYDOWNS.
AND SO THAT RATE INCREASE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WAS WHAT AGAIN? IT'S $1.28 PER MONTH BECAUSE WE HAD PUT 60% OF IT ON WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE FULL AMOUNT GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
AND THEN AFTER KIND OF SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL, WE HAD BACKED THAT OFF A LITTLE BIT AND SO FELT LIKE MAYBE A 60/40 SPLIT WAS A MORE SWEET SPOT BECAUSE IT REALLY IS MORE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
BUT NOT HAVING THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS BEAR THAT FULL COST.
YES. YOU'RE NOT NEEDING CLARIFICATION ON THAT, RIGHT? NO. THAT WAS TO GET US AND ANDREW CAN HELP WITH THE DETAILS, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO LAND BECAUSE WITH FOR THE TWO COMPANIES, STATION TWO, COMPANY STATION ALSO DEALING WITH THE TERRAIN AND HAVING THE BASEMENT FOR THE TRAINING ROOM COVERED IN THAT AMOUNT.
SO $3 MILLION REMAINING ONE TIME FUNDING, $3 MILLION REMAINING ONGOING FUNDING.
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NO, I'M SORRY, IT'LL BE JUST SLIGHTLY POINT.AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE DO WITH PHARMACY.
YOU'D HAVE ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PUT THE PHARMACY AT? I MEAN, AT LEAST I WOULD SAY AT LEAST HALF.
SURE, WE COULD DO THAT AND WE'RE BEHIND NOW.
SO I MEAN WITH ABSORBING SOME OF THE ROUTES WE'RE TAKING.
WHAT ELSE? SO PHARMACY PLAN WELL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CAPTURE IT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
YES. SO THAT WAS OUR CONCERN IS WE WEREN'T GOING TO CAPTURE ALL THAT, BUT YET WE ARE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT $1.5 TO $1.8 BUT I'D STILL SAY, LET'S BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE.
SO I THINK WE COULD WE COULD DEFINITELY UP THAT TO THE MILLION.
YEAH. BUT I'M GOING TO I WILL DEFER TO YOU ON WHERE THAT GOES.
SO AS FAR AS DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AS THE SAVINGS YEAH.
I THINK IF WE JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, NOT KNOWING FOR SURE WHAT CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, OPT INTO FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
I SAY THAT OR ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BY THEIR PHYSICIANS.
AND SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE UP IN THAT $750 TO MAYBE $1 MILLION.
AND THAT WOULD BE STRETCHING IT.
BUT WE WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
OKAY. SCROLL DOWN STEPHANIE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WITH A MILLION? BACK TO 3.2? YES. RIGHT BACK. IT OFFSETS YOUR PROFESSIONAL FEES AND LEGAL.
OKAY. ANYTHING COUNCIL YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK AT IN ADDITION TO THIS, OR ARE WE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS BUDGET? OKAY. I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD.
OKAY. Y'ALL NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
OKAY, SO I'LL MAKE THE CHANGES.
I'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW THEY'RE IN THERE.
BUT AGAIN, THESE HAVE A ZERO NET EFFECT ON YOUR BUDGET.
YOU'RE YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY KIND OF WELL, I SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT $250 BACK IN FOR PHARMACY.
YES, SIR. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE CFP.
IS THAT INCLUDING IS THAT GOING FOR THEIR THEIR DEBT PLAN FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, OR IS IT JUST $500,000 BACK INTO IT? SO AT THIS POINT THIS IS BUILT IN JUST WITH $500,000 ADDITIONAL ONGOING CIP FUNDING.
AND THEN WE WILL BRING THAT RECOMMENDATION BACK TO YOU ALL.
YEAH, WE SHOULD SEE DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT, I THINK.
CONTINUE. REALLY WE'VE SEEN A LOT.
M. FREEMAN, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET US IN AND OUT OF A 10-12 MINUTE EXEC ON THE ITEM YOU HAVE.
I'LL GIVE IT MY BEST SHOT. I THINK SO.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
AND I WOULD ASK IF YOU'D READ US INTO EXEC, SIR.
GOOD JOB ON THE BUDGET AT 2:37 P.M.
UNDER THE FOLLOWING AUTHORITY.
SECTION 551.072 DISCUSS PURCHASE, EXCHANGE, LEASE, SALE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY.
PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF SUCH WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY'S BARGAINING
POSITION.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.