[00:00:05] JUST TO ORDER HERE JUST A FEW MINUTES PAST 3:00. [1. Call to Order] SO WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR ATTENDING THE MEETING. AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD ONE. IT'LL BE PRODUCTIVE. IT MAY BE A LITTLE LONG, BUT WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT ENTERTAINING, AS ALWAYS. SO IF YOU GUYS WOULD, WE HAVE BRADY GABLE COMING UP TO OFFER THE INVOCATION FOR US HERE TODAY, AND THEN IF Y'ALL WOULD ALL RISE, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO STAND FOR THE PRAYER AND THEN WE WILL DO THE PLEDGES, BOTH PLEDGES. DO WE HAVE BRADY HERE? I DON'T SEE BRADY. OKAY, WELL, I CAN VOLUNTEER. DO YOU WANT ME TO COME DOWN THERE? AM I OKAY RIGHT HERE? [2. Invocation] IF YOU GUYS WOULD BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME, WE'RE GOING TO PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR TODAY. WE THANK YOU FOR BEING A GOOD DAD. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU DO AND JUST THIS ABILITY TO COME IN HERE INTO THIS CHAMBER AND TO WORK AND DO THE WORK ON BEHALF OF EACH OTHER. WE THANK YOU THAT WE WORK ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER NOT OVER ONE ANOTHER, AND THAT WE GET TO TRY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US. WE THANK YOU FOR THE HEART OF SERVANT LEADERSHIP, THE ABILITIES TO TRY TO SERVE THOSE AROUND US, TO BE PART OF A COMMUNITY, PART OF A FAMILY. THE ONE THING THAT WE ALL NEED MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY THAT BECOMES MORE OBVIOUS AND MORE EVIDENT IS THAT FAMILY CONNECTION, THAT BROTHERHOOD, THAT SISTERHOOD. AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US INTO THIS BUSINESS MEETING IN THAT MANNER. AND WE JUST COMMIT TO YOU THIS TIME, TELLING YOU THAT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE CARRY OUT YOUR WILL AND THAT WE TREAT EACH OTHER THE WAY WE'D WANT TO BE TREATED, THAN IT IS THAT WE GET ANOTHER BOX CHECKED OFF ON THE LIST. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD HELP US, BLESS US WITH WISDOM, THAT YOU'D GIVE US THE GIFT OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW HOW TO DO THINGS. WE WOULD ASK FOR DISCERNMENT. WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD PUT YOUR WORDS ON OUR MOUTH AND IN OUR MOUTH YOUR WAY, AND THAT WE WOULD JUST BE GOOD STEWARDS, GOOD SERVANTS. BUT ABOVE ALL GOOD REPRESENTATIVES OF YOU AND YOUR KINGDOM. SO IT'S IN THE NAME OF KING JESUS THAT WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. IF YOU GUYS WILL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. PLEASE BE SEATED. THANK YOU GUYS. YOU SCHEDULED HIM, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY, PUT HIM BACK UP NEXT TIME. MAYBE WE'LL SEND A REMINDER. HEY, WE'LL SEND A REMINDER TO MR. GABLE. WE'LL TRY TO PUT HIM UP FOR THE NEXT ONE SO Y'ALL DON'T MISS OUT ON HIS OPPORTUNITY. HE WOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB, BUT, YOU KNOW, I GOT YOU THROUGH IT. SO THANK YOU, GUYS FOR BEING IN ATTENDANCE. AND GOING THROUGH THAT, I THINK THE WAY WE START OFF THESE MEETINGS IS IMPORTANT. JUST THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE GET TO WORK IN PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE ANNOUNCEMENTS. [5. Announcements] DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS MR. HARTMAN. NO. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENT, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. [6. Public Comment] AND SO I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO CITY SECRETARY AND HAVE HER GO AHEAD AND WALK US THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING. YOUR INPUT AND YOUR OPINIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE TO SHARE THEM TODAY. AT EACH POSTED MEETING, WE INVITE OUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL REGARDING POSTED AGENDA ITEMS OR TOPICS RELATED TO CITY POLICY. EACH SPEAKER TODAY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. AT THE END OF 2.5 MINUTES, A WARNING BEEP WILL SOUND TO ALERT YOU THAT YOU HAVE 30S LEFT TO WRAP UP YOUR THOUGHTS. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU EITHER SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT OR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT NOT BOTH. AND EXCUSE ME, IN ORDER TO HELP US KEEP ACCURATE MINUTES, IT'S YOUR DECISION AT WHICH TIME YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. AS A REMINDER, IF YOU'RE HERE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT DOES LIMIT HOW THEY CAN RESPOND TO YOU. THEY CAN RESPOND WITH A STATEMENT OF FACT OR POLICY. THEY CAN REFER YOUR ITEM TO A FUTURE AGENDA, OR THEY CAN REFER YOU TO STAFF TO STEP OUT AND VISIT WITH YOU ON YOUR TOPIC. WHEN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE TODAY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. IF YOU LIVE IN AMARILLO CITY LIMITS AND THEN YOU MAY BEGIN ADDRESSING COUNCIL. OUR FIRST SPEAKER TODAY IS ALAN FEINGOLD. AND AFTER ALAN WILL BE RICHARD MCKAY. [00:05:06] ALAN FEINGOLD. 2601 NORTH GRAND STREET. MY TOPIC TODAY IS WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND GATHERING. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE PROJECTS AT THE HOLLYWOOD ROAD WASTE TREATMENT FACILITY. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SO MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE PART OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM THAT REMAIN UNDONE THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF YOU CONSULTED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO USED TO SUPERVISE THAT PLANT. BEFORE I MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENT, I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT LAST SESSION I TALKED ABOUT THE SLUDGE RATE PROBLEM, FOR WHICH THERE WAS A $6 MILLION APPROPRIATION TO FIX THAT SOMEHOW NEVER GOT DONE, OR I SHOULD SAY NEVER GOT SPENT FOR THAT PURPOSE. BUT TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE PROSPECT OF THE SO-CALLED EAST NORTHEAST INTERCEPTOR, A MULTI-YEAR PIPELINE PROJECT THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN IN 2020 AND 2021. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF COVID, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME SORT OF DELAY IN THAT PROJECT, SO I SUSPECTED OR EXPECTED THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BEGIN IN 2021-22. IT DID NOT. AND THEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN IN 2022-23. IT DID NOT. AND THEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN IN 2023, 24. IT DID NOT. DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE HAD BEEN $25 MILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RESERVED FOR THE PROJECT. NOW, YOU MIGHT SAY, GOSH, PROBABLY IT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE SUFFICIENT REVENUES THAT THE PROJECT NEVER BEGAN. WELL, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. BUT JUST TO USE ONE FISCAL YEAR, 2022 2023, THE CITY'S WATER AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT HAD REVENUES OF $116 MILLION. NOW, THIS WASN'T ENTIRELY FROM REVENUES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. IT DID INCLUDE A $28 MILLION BOND ISSUE. WELL, PERHAPS THIS PROJECT CAN BE DONE. CAN BEGIN THIS YEAR, BUT THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE SOME THINGS WHICH YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER. AND ONE OF THEM IS THE ACTUAL ROUTE THAT THIS PIPELINE WILL TAKE. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME LEFT TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT PERHAPS IN OUR NEXT SESSION OR YOUR NEXT SESSION, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ROUTE AND OTHER THINGS PERTAINING TO THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. SIR. DOCTOR RICHARD MCKAY. AND AFTER DOCTOR MCKAY WILL BE LINDSEY LONDON. I'M DOCTOR RICHARD MCKAY. I LIVE IN AMARILLO, TEXAS. I'M A RETIRED ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON. I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU EARLIER ABOUT THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE ABOUT TODAY. AND I DO REPRESENT THE POTTER RANDALL COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY IN THIS STATEMENT. THE BOARD OF THE POTTER RANDALL COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY CONTINUES TO HAVE NUMEROUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE. WE WILL ADDRESS EACH OF THESE CONCERNS THROUGH A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. BUT FOR TODAY, WE ARE FOCUSED ON ASKING THE COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE READS AS FAIRLY AS POSSIBLE. WE OBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING PORTION OF THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE. QUOTATION MARKS DECLARING THAT ABORTION AT ALL TIMES AND ALL STAGES OF PREGNANCY IS UNLAWFUL UNLESS AN ABORTION IS PERFORMED TO SAVE THE LIFE OF A PREGNANT WOMAN IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. WE FIND THIS DECLARATION MISLEADING, AS TEXAS ALREADY HAS THREE SIGNIFICANT ABORTION BANS IN PLACE. THE TRIGGER LAW CRIMINALIZES PERFORMING AN ABORTION FROM THE MOMENT OF FERTILIZATION, UNLESS THE PREGNANT PATIENT IS FACING A LIFE THREATENING PHYSICAL CONDITION AGGRAVATED BY, CAUSED BY, OR ARISING FROM A PREGNANCY. DOCTORS THAT VIOLATE THE TRIGGER LAW CAN BE SENTENCED TO UP TO LIFE IN PRISON. THE STATUTE ALSO SAYS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHALL SEEK A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT LESS THAN $100,000, PLUS ATTORNEY'S FEES. WE SUGGEST STRIKING THIS LANGUAGE FROM THE BALLOT SYNOPSIS. THE BOARD ALSO OBJECTS TO THE USE OF THE WORD TRAFFICKING AND SUGGESTS AIDS IN TRANSPORTATION AS AN ALTERNATIVE. [00:10:01] THE BOARD OF THE POTTER RANDALL COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY REMAINS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THE CITIZENS OF AMARILLO WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOCTOR.[APPLAUSE] NEXT IS LINDSEY LONDON. HELLO, COUNCIL. EXCUSE ME. I DIDN'T HAVE IT PULLED UP HERE. LINDSEY LONDON. I DO LIVE IN THE CITY OF AMARILLO. I AM HERE ONCE AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE AMARILLO REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM ALLIANCE, TO REPRESENT OUR CONTINUED OPPOSITION ON THE ISSUE OF THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN ORDINANCE. AND IT IS NOW CLEAR, THAT IT WILL BE GOING TO THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. PER THE AGENDA WE ARE GRATEFUL TO SEE MORE COMPREHENSIVE DESCRIPTION FOR BALLOT LANGUAGE, THOUGH THERE IS NO WAY THAT A FEW PARAGRAPHS COULD TRULY SUMMARIZE THE 18 PAGE CONTENT. OUR ORGANIZATION WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON THE IMMENSE HARM AND GOVERNMENT OVERREACH CONTAINED WITHIN IT. WE HAVE PARTICULAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF EXPLANATION AROUND EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, AND THAT THERE IS NO EXCEPTION FOR RAPE OR INCEST. WE FEEL THAT THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE EDUCATED ON. WE ALSO WISH TO INQUIRE ABOUT ANY CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY MAY HOLD TO EDUCATE VOTERS ABOUT A BALLOT MEASURE. WE WOULD APPRECIATE FEEDBACK ON IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED IN THE PAST WITH OTHER ELECTIONS, AND IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD OFFER WITH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. AS ALL OF US WHO HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THIS ORDINANCE KNOW, IT IS NOT AN EASY READ, NOR EASY TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN IMMENSE NEED FOR COMMUNITY EDUCATION IN ORDER FOR THE VOTERS TO BE PROPERLY INFORMED. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD HOW SHOCKING IT IS TO SEE THAT 90 TO $120,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY MAY BE ALLOCATED FOR THE ELECTION NEEDS SURROUNDING THIS ORDINANCE, PER THE FUNDING SUMMARY PROVIDED BY THE CITY SECRETARY. IMAGINE WHAT THAT FUNDING COULD DO IF IT WAS INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THINGS LIKE COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION, BIRTH CONTROL, MATERNAL HEALTH RESOURCES, AND MORE. THE THINGS THAT TRULY HELP PREVENT UNPLANNED PREGNANCY AND SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS WHEN THOSE SITUATIONS MAY ARISE. INSTEAD OF WASTING OUR CITY'S RESOURCES ON A BALLOT MEASURE THAT PROVIDES ZERO BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND INSTEAD INSTILLS FEAR, DIVISION, AND PUNISHMENT BASED ON A SPECIFIC GROUP'S BELIEFS. WE HOPE THAT WHATEVER THE OUTCOME, WE CAN WORK ALONGSIDE YOU IN THE FUTURE TO PROVIDE MORE ROBUST RESOURCES FOR PREGNANCY PREVENTION. IN CLOSING, WE BELIEVE THAT ARFA HAS SHOWN OUR COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONALISM AND DECORUM, AND WE PLAN TO MAINTAIN THAT THROUGH THE ELECTION CYCLE. WE HOPE THAT OUR OPPONENTS WILL CHOOSE TO DO THE SAME, THOUGH MUCH OF THEIR DISCOURSE HAS PROVEN OTHERWISE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND CARE AND SUPPORT FOR ONE ANOTHER, UPHOLDING OUR INTRINSIC RIGHTS TO PRIVACY AND FREEDOM. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH YOU ALL, AND WE WILL NEVER WAVER FROM OUR COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING AND PROMOTING REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IN THE TEXAS PANHANDLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. [APPLAUSE] MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES EVERYONE THAT WAS SIGNED UP TODAY. THANK YOU, MISS CITY SECRETARY. DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. JAMES SKANK I SEE YOUR HAND IF YOU COME FORWARD FIRST. I'M SO GLAD YOU CHANGED THIS TO WHERE YOU DO THIS AT THE END, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S ALL BEEN SAID VERY ELEGANTLY, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT 7D AND 9 C, TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER CHANGE ONE MORE TIME. SOMETHING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS MY REACTION TO TERM LIMITS. NO, I SHOULDN'T LIMIT YOUR TERM. IF YOU WANT TO RUN AGAIN AND YOU CAN GET THE VOTES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR EIGHT YEARS WE'VE HAD A FEW. BUT DON'T LIMIT THE VOTERS BY CHARTER. VOTERS HAVE THE OPTION WE SHOULD TERM LIMIT YOUR TERM. YOU KNOW, I WRITE DOWN ALL THESE THINGS THESE PEOPLE READ SO ELEGANTLY, AND I JUST SORT OF. OKAY, BUT DON'T LIMIT THE DON'T LIMIT THE VOTERS OR THE CANDIDATES. IF YOU WANT TO RUN AGAIN, RUN AGAIN. IF YOU GET THEM, YOU GET IT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ALL THE TIME DEMOCRACY. WELL, LET THE MOB RULE ON SOME LEVEL. OKAY. 9C BALLOT LANGUAGE. ON THE SANCTUARY CITIES. THE FIRST DRAFT THAT CAME THROUGH THAT WE WERE PRIVY TO. NO, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL. THEN WE HAVE TWO MORE DRAFTS THAT THEY'RE OKAY, A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S MORE THAN JUST [00:15:10] SANCTUARY CITIES FOR THE UNBORN IN AMARILLO. IT'S 18 PAGES. HOW DO YOU GET THAT ON THE BALLOT? IF EITHER OF THESE MAKE IT, TWO THINGS, IN MY OPINION, ARE GOING TO HAPPEN WITH VOTERS. THOSE THAT READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT WILL MORE THAN LIKELY VOTE AGAINST IT. THEY UNDERSTAND IT. THOSE THAT CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT SHOULD ALSO VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] THANKS. DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU'LL COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME. AND IF YOU RESIDE IN THE CITY LIMITS. MY NAME IS JAMIE O'DONNELL. I LIVE AT 8211 SANTA FE TRAIL, WHICH IS PERTINENT TO THIS, WHAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE REZONING ON SCOTTIE TRAIL AND OR SCOTTIE. DRIVE AND WRANGLER, WHICH I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THAT. SO I BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THIS WAS EVEN COMING UP. I FOUND OUT AT 9 P.M. LAST NIGHT WHEN A NEIGHBOR RANG MY DOORBELL AND TOLD US ABOUT IT. SO I'M ALREADY NOT SUPER HAPPY THAT I WASN'T TOLD THAT THIS WAS EVEN HAPPENING. APPARENTLY SOMETHING HAPPENED IN JUNE THAT WE WERE NOT TOLD ABOUT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT LETTERS WERE SUPPOSED TO GO OUT LAST TIME WHEN THIS WAS REZONED, WE WERE TOLD BY THE SPOKESPERSON THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES. WE WERE TOLD REPEATEDLY, THESE ARE GOING TO BE UPSCALE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE APARTMENTS. THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE HUD HOUSING. HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE HERE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TODAY IS TO REZONE IT AGAIN. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN LIED TO BY THE SPOKESPERSON, WHICH IS CONCERNING, THAT THEY WOULD LIE TO Y'ALL, THAT THEY WOULD LIE TO THE VOTERS, AND THAT THEY WOULD LIE TO THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WERE ALSO TOLD, AND NOW WE'RE CONCERNED THAT IF THIS IS HUD HOUSING, IF THESE ARE APARTMENTS, NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE UPSCALED CRIME. THIS WAS A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AT THIS POINT. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL. YEAH, WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ONE I BELIEVE. CORRECT. YES. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT A NON CONSENT ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. NO. NO IT IS NON CONSENT. IT'S A NON CONSENT ITEM. AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING DURING THAT ITEM. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO WE CAN SPEAK TO EVERY ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TODAY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. COUNCIL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT. WE DO HAVE A CURRENTLY HE'S A SPECIAL GUEST I THINK. IS IT NEXT WEEK HE'LL NO LONGER BE A GUEST. SO WE HAVE MR. GRAYSON PATH SEATED RIGHT OVER HERE. NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'VE THOROUGHLY VETTED HIM THROUGH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. MYSELF, COUNCIL AND STAFF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT YOU GETTING HERE AND GOING TO WORK. AND SO HE IS OUR NEW CITY MANAGER. HE WILL RELIEVE FLOYD FROM HAVING TO DRIVE THE TRAIN HERE. WHO FLOYD HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. AND TRULY, I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF WE TRIPLED YOUR WORKLOAD, BUT LIKE, IT DEFINITELY JUST A LITTLE BIT. JUST DEALING WITH ME WAS THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF WORK. AND SO I APPRECIATE MR. HARTMAN. I ALSO APPRECIATED MR. FREEMAN FOR STEPPING UP TO THAT AND TAKING THE REINS THERE FOR A MINUTE. SO IT'S BEEN A TEAM EFFORT. AND MR. PATH, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING YOU HERE AND GETTING YOU ONBOARDED. AND SO THANKS FOR ATTENDING THE MEETING TODAY. SO COUNCIL YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU NEED FURTHER REVIEW ON BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION. [7.A. Review agenda items for regular meeting and attachments] NO SIR. OKAY. [7.B. Center City Update] WE ARE MOVING FROM 7A TO 7B, WE HAVE MISS BETH DUKE, OUR LOCAL AMBASSADOR FOR THE CITY OF AMARILLO, COMING FORWARD FOR A CENTER CITY UPDATE. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME A FEW MINUTES TODAY. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. I DO HAVE A HANDOUT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. THANK YOU OFFICER. OKAY. THANK YOU MISS. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF AMARILLO AND ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS. I TELL YOU, IT'S JUST IT'S WONDERFUL TO CALL CITY STAFF AND CALL ON YOU AND KNOW WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE OUR TOWN BETTER. I WANT TO JUST TELL YOU ABOUT SOME GREAT THINGS SOME HIGHLIGHTS. EVERY QUARTER I LIKE TO MAKE A REPORT ON THE UPDATE. [00:20:01] SO THIS WOULD BE OUR OUR LATEST QUARTERLY REPORT. I WANT TO TELL YOU WE HAD ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL YEAR WITH OUR SENIOR BANNER PROGRAM. THIS IS EXCITING BECAUSE WE SOLD 120 SENIOR BANNERS. AND YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS THE YEAR OF PANDEMIC WHEN SENIORS COULDN'T HAVE THE RECOGNITION OF THE TRADITIONAL CEREMONY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT IT HAS GROWN AND GROWN. AND THIS YEAR WE EVEN HAD SOME HOME SCHOOLS, SOME REGIONAL PANHANDLE SCHOOLS. AND I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD THAT THIS IS A WAY WE CAN REALLY WE CAN REALLY APPLAUD OUR SENIORS. WE HAD A FUN PROMOTION CALLED DINE DOWNTOWN. THE LAST PART OF APRIL, THE 1ST OF MAY, WE HAVE 13 RESTAURANTS PARTICIPATING, AND OUR GOAL IS JUST TO SUPPORT THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND REMIND PEOPLE THAT ALL THESE RESTAURANTS ARE LOCALLY OWNED IN DOWNTOWN. AND NOW THAT THE WORKFORCE IS COMING BACK TO OUR DOWNTOWN OFFICES, WE REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES. AND I CAN TELL YOU WHICH ONES I LIKE THE BEST, BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE REPORT. SO ON MAY 5TH, WE ALSO HAD OUR IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES TOUR, AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE DO EVERY MAY, BECAUSE MAY IS NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. AND, YOU KNOW, CENTER CITY IS PART OF TEXAS MAIN STREET, PART OF TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. AND IT WAS SO EXCITING BECAUSE SEVERAL OF OUR BUILDING OWNERS ALLOWED US TO GO INSIDE THEIR BUILDINGS, AND WE GOT TO GO INSIDE THE HISTORIC PARAMOUNT THEATER BACK IN THE BACK WHERE IT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN BUILT TO BE A VAUDEVILLE THEATER AND TO HAVE 250 PEOPLE. THAT SATURDAY MORNING CELEBRATING HISTORY WAS REALLY RECORD SETTING, AND I BELIEVE I HAD THE LARGEST IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES TOUR IN TEXAS. SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE FINAL REPORTS FROM OTHER MAIN STREET CITIES. BUT YOU GUYS KNOW HOW COMPETITIVE I AM AND I LIKE TO BE NUMBER ONE, SO THAT'S GOOD. WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH THE AMARILLO PUBLIC LIBRARY. THEY DID A WONDERFUL PROMOTION CALLED MARCH IS MURAL MONTH. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT QUICKLY, BUT THEY DID A GREAT LITTLE BROCHURE ABOUT TAKING A WALKING TOUR OF OUR DOWNTOWN MURALS. AND I CALLED AMANDA AND THEY GAVE US PERMISSION TO REPRINT THESE. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN ORIGAMI PROJECT IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO FOLD A MAP, SOME OF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE FOLDED A MAP AND NOT JUST USE GPS, BUT I'LL PASS THESE OUT TO YOU. TOM REMEMBERS. TOM REMEMBERS I HEARD THAT, I HEARD THAT. AND THEN WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFE STREETS INITIATIVE. WE HAD THAT SAFE STREETS INITIATIVE BOOTH AT OUR DOWNTOWN PET PARADE. WE HAD 60 DOGS IN THAT PARADE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT AN ANNUAL TRADITION. IT'S KIND OF A FUN WAY TO KICK OFF THAT WEEK OF JULY 4TH. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ON THAT, AND I HAD TO EXPLAIN THAT IT WAS FOUR LEGGED DOGS AND NOT FLOATS, AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH US. IT WAS A REAL SUCCESS. WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH ANIMAL WELFARE AND MANAGEMENT. THEY PUT THEY DRESSED UP FOUR OF THOSE ADOPTABLE PETS AND PUT THEM IN THE PARADE. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY ONE GOT ADOPTED FOR BEING SO CUTE. THE POLK STREET STREETSCAPE CONTINUES. WE HAVE HAD ONLY TWO HICCUPS, AND THAT'S PRETTY GOOD FOR TEARING UP SIDEWALKS AND CONSTRUCTING BETWEEN SECOND AND 10TH. BUT THE RESTAURANT OWNERS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE THRILLED WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS THE TREES, THE TRASH CANS TO KEEP OUR STREETS CLEAN. AND IT IS JUST SO WONDERFUL AND SAFE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTS FROM SECOND ALL THE WAY TO 10TH. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN FRONT OF THE KRESS BUILDING AND THEY ARE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS. AND THIS IS GOING TO JUST ADD SO MUCH TO MAKING DOWNTOWN A DESTINATION. HIGH NOON ON THE SQUARE CONTINUES. WE HAD TO CANCEL JULY 3RD. THE GROUND GOT A LITTLE TOO SPONGY WET FOR OUR EVENT, BUT WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW AND WE HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE GRAND FINALE, THAT LAST THAT LAST WEDNESDAY IN JULY. AND I WANT TO THANK PARTICULARLY OUR COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICERS WHO COME AND HAVE LUNCH WITH US AND MINGLE WITH THE CROWD AND JUST REALLY SHOW THEM THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. THE EXCITING NEWS IS THAT EVERY QUARTER, CENTER CITY REPORTS OUR REINVESTMENT FIGURES TO TEXAS MAIN STREET. AND I'M REALLY GLAD TEXAS MAIN STREET REQUIRES US TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S SO GREAT. SO FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2024, MORE THAN $68 MILLION WAS REINVESTED IN YOUR DOWNTOWN. AND THAT MEANS FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THIS YEAR, IT WAS $73.5 MILLION [00:25:10] INVESTED IN OUR DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU, POTTER COUNTY, FOR OPENING THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER. BUT IT'S EXCITING TO HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN REINVESTMENT BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MADE OUR DOWNTOWN PLAN, DOWNTOWN REINVESTMENT WAS FLAT AND IT WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE. AND THROUGH EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS, DOWNTOWN AMARILLO INC., EVERYTHING, WE ARE REALLY SEEING SIGNIFICANT REINVESTMENT. THEN FINALLY, THAT LAST SECTION, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT OUR FACADE GRANT PROGRAM THAT YOU SUPPORT IS REALLY WORKING WELL. WE HAD REQUESTS TOTALING ALMOST $125,000 AND $70,000 WAS ALLOCATED. AND TO ME THIS SHOWS THIS PROGRAM IS STILL WORKING. THESE ARE REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS. NOBODY GETS MONEY UNTIL THE PROJECT IS DONE. AND IT SHOWS YOU THAT WE HAVE A GREAT MIX OF SOME RESIDENTIAL AND SOME INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY ON POLK STREET. THEN THE LAST THREE PAGES ARE JUST THE DETAIL OF THE REINVESTMENT THAT BREAKS IT DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER FOR YOU. AND OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'RE JUST TO CALL ME. BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING. IF I DON'T KNOW, I'LL FIND OUT. AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR HELPING US MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN THRIVE. THANK YOU, MISS BETH. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DUKE? THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE UPDATE. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU GUYS APPLAUD FOR THAT ONE. [APPLAUSE] DOWNTOWN CONTINUES TO THRIVE. YOU KNOW, THE GREATEST THING ABOUT IT IS I THINK WE'VE WE'VE PUSHED ON THE, THE CIVIC SIDE, BUT THEN YOU'VE SEEN PRIVATE AND JUST GOOD OLD FASHIONED CAPITALISM AT WORK DOWNTOWN. SO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WE I KNOW WE ENJOY BEING DOWN HERE. ITEM 7C, WE HAVE MR. [7.C. Independence Day +1 Event] KASHUBA COMING UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY PLUS ONE EVENT. AFTERNOON, SIR. AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MICHAEL KASHUBA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE KIND OF A RECAP OF OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY PLUS ONE EVENT THAT WE HELD ON JULY 5TH. I WANT TO SHOW JUST A BRIEF VIDEO, AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE INFORMATION FOR THIS SLIDE. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND START. MY NAME IS BECKI DRYER. I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR AMARILLO PARKS AND RECREATION. AND THIS IS INDEPENDENCE DAY PLUS ONE. AT MINIMUM, I FEEL LIKE EVERY COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE AN INDEPENDENCE DAY PROGRAM AND A TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS QUALITY OF LIFE GOES, PEOPLE IN AMARILLO WORK REALLY HARD. SO I ALSO THINK IF YOU'RE WORKING VERY HARD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME FOR LEISURE AND PLAY. AND BIG COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THIS ARE IMPORTANT JUST FOR PROVIDING QUALITY OF LIFE. SO PARKS AND REC HAS BEEN PUTTING ON A LOT OF GREAT SPECIAL EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT THIS INDEPENDENCE DAY PLUS ONE EVENT IS DEFINITELY THE LARGEST EVENT THAT WE'VE EVER DONE, AT LEAST IN RECENT HISTORY. WE ESTIMATE THERE WAS PROBABLY OVER 10 TO 15,000 PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THE EVENT THIS YEAR. AN EVENT THIS BIG, YOU NEED A LOT OF STAFF WORKING. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T SPEAK HIGHLY ENOUGH ABOUT OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MAX DUNLAP AND HIS TEAM, AND WE MET EVERY MONTH, AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT SCENARIOS. WE WOULD TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT SECURITY, WHERE IS THE POLICE COMMAND CENTER GOING TO BE. SO THERE'S ALL THESE LITTLE DETAILS AS FAR AS SECURITY AND KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE THAT ARE DONE BEHIND THE SCENES. AND IT REALLY WAS A GREAT PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY. WHEN WE WERE STARTING TO WORK ON THIS EVENT, I HAD DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH WITH PARKS AND REC ORGANIZATIONS WHO ALSO DID DRONE SHOWS, AND ONE THING THEY RECOMMENDED IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A DRONE SHOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER ENTERTAINMENT GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. SO ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS DOING A CONCERT. WE HAVE A PARTNER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, OUTDOOR AMARILLO, AND THEIR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR PARKS AND FOR ACTIVITIES IN THE PARKS. MICHAEL KASHUBA, WHO'S OUR DIRECTOR, RECOMMENDED THAT WE LOOK INTO PARTNERING WITH THEM ON THIS EVENT. THEY HAD BEEN LOOKING TO TRY TO DO SOME BIGGER EVENTS AS WELL, AND WE THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD BE A NATURAL FIT. SO IT KIND OF BECAME A GREAT NATURAL PARTNERSHIP WHERE THEY HELPED COORDINATE GETTING THE STAGING THE AV AS WELL AS BOOKING THE BANDS FOR THAT NIGHT. AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD TIES AND PARTNERSHIPS TO DO THE BEER GARDEN. AND THAT WAS ANOTHER GREAT ADDED ELEMENT TO THE EVENT, SO PEOPLE COULD REALLY ENJOY THE NIGHT. WE DEVELOP SOME SPONSORSHIP PACKAGES BASED AROUND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE HAPPENING WITHIN THE EVENT, PARTNERED WITH OUTDOOR AMARILLO SINCE THEY ARE A NONPROFIT AND [00:30:07] THEY HAD SOME CONNECTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO DID ALL OF THE OUTREACH TO GET SPONSORS FOR THIS EVENT. SO WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THIS EVENT. YOU KNOW, IT OPENED UP WITH A CONCERT BY NEXT OF KIN. THEY WERE A GREAT OPENER. THEY GOT THE ENERGY FLOWING. THEN WE HAD OUR HEADLINER, RANDALL KING, WHICH JUST KEPT EVERYBODY UP AND EXCITED THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. I MEAN, TALK ABOUT ENERGY. THAT GUY PUTS ON A REALLY GREAT SHOW. HE HAD A LOT OF FANS OUT THAT NIGHT RIGHT UP AT THE FRONT OF THE STAGE, WHO WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING HIM THERE. THAT NIGHT. WE HAD A KIDS AREA WITH NERF GUN WARS. THEY DID SPIN ART, FACE PAINTING. THERE WAS A MAGIC SHOW. WE HAD THE KIDS CADILLAC RANCH, WE HAD A GREAT TODDLER AREA. WE HAD FOOD TRUCK VENDORS WITH VERY LONG LINES. A LOT OF PEOPLE VISITED THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT NIGHT. KGNC DID A RADIO REMOTE AND PROVIDED SOME MUSIC IN BETWEEN THE CONCERT. THERE WERE FAMILIES PLAYING AT THE PLAYGROUND. WE HAD A BOUNCE HOUSE AND ALL THE KIDDOS LOVED ALL THE GLOW ITEMS THAT THEY BOUGHT AT OUR GLOW BOOTH THAT NIGHT. AND THEN AT THE VERY END OF THE NIGHT, WE ENDED IT WITH A FIREWORK AND DRONE SHOW. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO CREATING A DRONE SHOW. ONCE WE SELECTED THE COMPANY, WE FIRST HAD TO DECIDE WHAT KIND OF THEME OR WHAT KIND OF IMAGES WE WANTED. A THEME FOR OURS WAS OBVIOUSLY INDEPENDENCE DAY, BUT I ALSO WANTED IMAGES THAT REPRESENTED AMARILLO AS WELL AS THE PANHANDLE. FROM THERE WE TOOK IMAGES, CREATED A STORYBOARD. THEY RECREATED IT IN DRONES SO WE COULD SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. TALKED ABOUT COLORS, HOW WE WANTED THE DRONES TO APPEAR, AND THEN WORKED ON COORDINATING MUSIC ALONG WITH THE DRONES. WE DECIDED TO PARTNER WITH ALPHA MEDIA, WHICH THEY WERE A GREAT PARTNER FOR US, AND THEY HELPED TO BROADCAST THE MUSIC FROM THE DRONE SHOW SO THAT ANYONE WHO IS SITTING IN THAT AREA COULD TUNE IN TO 97.9 FM AND COULD LISTEN TO THE MUSIC WHILE WATCHING THE DRONE SHOW THAT NIGHT. FIREWORKS ALSO DID THEIR OWN SOUNDTRACK, SO WE HAD TO WORK WITH ALPHA MEDIA, THE FIREWORK COMPANY, AS WELL AS THE DRONE COMPANY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE PLAYING THE CORRECT SOUNDTRACKS AT THE RIGHT TIME, AND THAT THE TIMING WORKED OUT SO THAT THE MUSIC COORDINATED WITH WHAT THEY WERE SEEING DURING THE SHOW. I THINK ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS OF THE WHOLE NIGHT WAS WHEN THE DRONES WENT UP IN THE AIR AND THAT FIRST DRONE IMAGE, AND EVERYBODY WAS CLAPPING AND CHEERING AND OOHING AND EYEING AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD NOT SEEN A DRONE SHOW IN THE AREA AND ENJOYED THE SHOW. OF VETERANS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM EVERY DAY. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING AN EVENT OUT THERE TO THE AMARILLO COMMUNITY TO CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY AND OUR FREEDOM, AND THOSE WHO FIGHT FOR IT EVERY DAY. WELL, I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF OUR TEAM. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO BECKI DRYER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. THIS REALLY WAS HER BRAINCHILD. SHE'S WANTED TO DO A 4TH OF JULY EVENT FOR THE WHOLE TIME SHE'S BEEN HERE. AND KIND OF THE COMBINATION OF DRONE AND FIREWORK WAS SOMETHING UNIQUE. AND I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY ENJOYED. SO A LOT OF KUDOS TO HER. I WANTED TO TOUCH ON, JUST BRIEFLY, SOME OF THE PARTNERSHIPS, SPONSORSHIPS AND SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS. SO OBVIOUSLY OUTDOOR AMARILLO IS A KEY PARTNER. BECKI TOUCHED ON THAT. THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE SECURING SPONSORSHIPS FOR REALLY THE BAND, THE CONCERT, THE STAGE, THE AUDIO. AND THEY ALSO HELP FACILITATE THAT BEER GARDEN AREA. ALPHA MEDIA. AGAIN, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE ADVERTISING. THEY WERE PLAYING THE LIVE ON LOCATION. AND THEY ALSO AIRED THE THE SOUNDTRACK FOR THE DRONE AND FIREWORKS SHOW. OBVIOUSLY OUR DEPARTMENT PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THE CITY, AND I THINK THIS REALLY WAS A TEAM EFFORT. FROM THE PLANNING STAGES ALL THE WAY THROUGH EXECUTION YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT, TRANSIT, TRAFFIC IT REALLY THE ALMOST THE ENTIRE CITY WAS INVOLVED. THOSE GROUPS WERE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES. PEOPLE DIDN'T GET TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, BUT THEY WERE REUNIFYING KIDS WITH THEIR PARENTS. THEY WERE ADDRESSING MEDICAL ISSUES. THEY REALLY WERE HANDS AND FEET ON THE GROUND, ADDRESSING ANYTHING AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS SAFE DURING THE EVENT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAD OUR VENDORS, THE FIREWORKS COMPANY, THE DRONE COMPANY KT BLACK PROVIDED KIND OF THE PARKING LOT DIRECTION AND SOME STAFFING THE GOLF CARTS, OBVIOUSLY FOR STAFF TO GET AROUND PORTABLE RESTROOMS AND ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CERT TEAM. [00:35:04] THEY WERE OUT THERE AND HAD A FIRST AID TENT OPEN FOR ANYBODY THAT NEEDED BAND-AIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN, SOME SPONSORS, WE HAD BUDWEISER, ATMOS, RAISING CANE'S, AMARILLO ICE COMPANY, CACTUS COVE, KAMR, LOCAL FOUR, PAK A SAK, PANHANDLE PURE, SKP CREATIVE, AMERICAN LAND TITLE AUTOTOINC AND XCEL. WE HAD SOME GREAT ARTISTS. OBVIOUSLY NEXT TO KIN WAS THE OPENING ACT, AND THEN RANDALL KING FOLLOWED THAT UP AS THE HEADLINER. WE HAD TEN FOOD TRUCKS, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS WE COULD DO BETTER. YEAR ONE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FOOD TRUCKS RECEIVED A LOT OF PATRONS VISITING THEIR FOOD TRUCKS. AND I THINK WE SAW THAT THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. SO WE'VE GOT SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR MOVING FORWARD, BUT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF A LIST OF THE TEN FOOD TRUCKS THAT WERE THERE. I COVERED EVERYTHING FROM DESSERTS TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FOOD AND THEN THE KIDS ZONE. SO WE HAD SOME FACE PAINTING. WE HAD A MAGIC SHOW. WE HAD SOME INFLATABLES, BOUNCE HOUSE. WE HAD SPIN ART, WE HAD THE ZOO PRESENT. WE HAD THE LIBRARY. WE HAD THINGS LIKE OUR NERF GUN WARS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A GLOW BOOTH WHERE WE WERE SELLING GLOW ITEMS FOR THE EVENT. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WE ESTIMATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 15,000 PEOPLE. THAT'S A ROUGH GUESS. OBVIOUSLY IN A PARK SPACE THAT LARGE, IT'S HARD TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT SPACE. WE ACTUALLY HAD STAFF MEMBERS KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE PARK, AND ONE THAT WAS AT THE VERY SOUTH END OF THE PARK WHERE THE TRANSIT DROP OFF WAS ACTUALLY SAID THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY CLOSE TO A THOUSAND PEOPLE SITTING IN THE FIELD THAT WE COULDN'T SEE FROM WHERE WE WERE. SO WE ESTIMATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 15. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A VERY ROUGH GUESS. THE SPONSORSHIPS THAT WERE ACHIEVED, WE HAD 15 SPONSORS FOR 26,000. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE RAN INTO WAS JUST THE TIMELINE. A LOT OF BUSINESSES HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED THEIR SPONSORSHIPS BY THE TIME WE WERE ASKING. AND SO I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD LEADS FOR LEAD SPONSORS FOR FUTURE YEARS. ALPHA MEDIA SENT US SOME INFORMATION. THEY SAID THAT DURING THE EVENT, THEY AVERAGED 10,500 PEOPLE LISTENING BETWEEN 4:00 AND MIDNIGHT AND HAD 1100 PEOPLE ENTER THE TEXT TO WIN CONTEST THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY WERE PROMOTING THROUGH THAT EVENT. TRANSIT SAID THAT WE HAD OVER ALMOST 1100 PASSENGER TRIPS, AND I'VE GOT JUST A REALLY ROUGH BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THOSE PASSENGER TRIPS WERE GOING. SO WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 706 THAT WENT TO AMARILLO HIGH. WE HAD ALMOST 320 THAT WENT TO RANDALL, AND THEN WE HAD 50 THAT WERE ADA, WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING SHUTTLED FROM AN ADA PARKING LOT. THE BEER GARDEN SOLD 220 BEERS. OUR GLOW BOOTH, WHICH WAS PROVIDED BY OUR DEPARTMENT, WHERE WE WERE SELLING EVERYTHING FROM LITTLE HAIR CLIPS TO GLOW IN THE DARK STICKS SOLD OUT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL EXPAND IN FUTURE EVENTS. AND THEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA, OUR JULY 2ND FACEBOOK POST ACTUALLY HIT 37,000 PEOPLE, AND WE GAINED 330 ROUGHLY FOLLOWERS IN THE TWO WEEKS AROUND THAT TIME PERIOD. SO THE BUDGET THAT COUNCIL ALLOCATED NOW REMEMBER, 50,000 OF THAT WAS FROM DEPARTMENT SAVINGS THAT WE HAD CAPTURED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 50,000 CAME OUT OF THE COUNCIL WORKING BUDGET. THERE YOU CAN GET A PRETTY DETAILED LIST OF WHERE THOSE EXPENSES WENT. SO 40,000 WENT TO THE DRONE, 27 TO THE FIREWORKS. AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE EVERYTHING FROM PORTA POTTIES, DOWN TO SUPPLIES, CHILDREN'S AREA, ETC.. SO TOTAL PROJECT OR TOTAL COST WAS 97,000. SO WE CAME IN UNDER THE 100,000 THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THAT EVENT. SO ALWAYS THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN TWEAK AND DO BETTER. AND SO AS WE LOOK FORWARD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WAS MORE FOOD TRUCKS. THE TEN JUST DIDN'T CUT IT, AND STANDING IN LINE FOR AN HOUR TO THREE HOURS PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO DO IT. SO ADDING MORE FOOD TRUCKS, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT HOW WE COULD LAY THAT OUT IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND ALSO ALLOW A LOT MORE FOOD TRUCKS MORE PORTABLE RESTROOMS. WE HAD LINES AT THAT RESTROOM AREA QUITE A BIT. AND SO LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT MORE LIGHTS IN THE PARK, THAT PARK IS PRETTY DARK. SOME OF THE LIGHTING OUT THERE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, AND SO ADDING SOME MORE LIGHTS SPECIFICALLY IN THAT EVENT SPACE, SO THAT AFTER THE EVENT WE COULD TURN ON SOME OF THOSE PORTABLE LIGHTS. MORE GOLF CARTS TO BE ABLE TO SHUTTLE APD FIRE AND OEM AROUND. WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING THAT FOOTPRINT JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SO THAT WE COULD PUSH SOME OF THOSE FOOD TRUCKS OUT TO THE ROAD, WHICH IS A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET AWAY. THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADD MORE AND ALSO MOVE THOSE LINES OUT OF THE CONCERT AREA, SO THAT IT KIND OF SEPARATES THAT FROM THE MAIN SPACE. LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN IMPROVE OUR ADA PARKING AND SHUTTLING BACK AND FORTH. IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A WAIT TO GET OUT OF THAT ONE PARKING LOT AT THE UNDEVELOPED PARKING LOT NORTH OF THE EVENT. [00:40:03] SO LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN INCREASE AND IMPROVE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW. I THINK ALSO WAYS TO EXPAND TRANSIT, THE TRANSIT PROGRAM, ACTUALLY, WE WERE SHOCKED WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE USED IT FOR A FIRST TIME EVENT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPAND UPON AND GROW AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BIGGER STAGE WITH A SCREEN THAT WE COULD PROMOTE, SPONSORS AND OTHER THINGS ON POTENTIALLY A HEADLINER AND TWO OPENING ACTS. SO IT EXTENDS THAT CONCERT TIME A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THERE ARE SOME NEW FEATURES THAT ARE COMING OUT WITH DRONES. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THE THUNDER FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY COOL AND UNIQUE THINGS THAT THOSE DRONE COMPANIES ARE ABLE TO DO NOW THAT THEY WEREN'T EARLIER THIS YEAR. LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE ADDING CARNIVAL RIDES, THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE COULD ADD AS ANOTHER AREA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO LOOK AT WAYS TO MAKE THIS AN ALL DAY EVENT AND EXPAND IT. SO WHETHER IT'S STRONGMAN COMPETITIONS, YOU KNOW, BIKE PARADES, WIFFLE BALL, CORNHOLE TOURNAMENTS AND THEN ALSO HAVING OTHER VENDORS THERE. SO COMMUNITY PARTNERS SET UP IN THE PARK TO JUST MAKE IT REALLY A TRULY A COMMUNITY EVENT. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME IDEAS WE HAVE FOR NEXT YEAR AND THEN FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION AS WE GO INTO BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT HERE TODAY, OR IF THESE ARE THINGS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT DURING BUDGET, BUT DO WE WANT TO HOST ONE AGAIN NEXT YEAR, AND IF SO, DO WE? DO WE WANT TO STICK TO THE FIFTH OR DO WE WANT TO GO TO THE FOURTH? YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BECOME PREDICTABLE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WHEN WE HOST OUR 4TH OF JULY, SHOW, OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND, KNOW WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR ACTIVITIES. SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT CONSISTENT TIME OR DATE IS WHAT THE BUDGET MIGHT BE FROM A COUNCIL. AND THEN IF THERE'S OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER, THINGS THAT WE COULD INTEGRATE INTO THIS EVENT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME QUESTIONS WE HAVE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HERE TODAY OR IF IT'S ANOTHER DAY, BUT JUST THINGS TO GET ON YOUR RADAR AND START THINKING THROUGH. AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR MR. KASHUBA, GUYS. COMMENT. GREAT JOB YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT DID A PHENOMENAL JOB, ESPECIALLY FIRST YEAR. I MEAN, I THINK THOSE OF US THAT WENT OUT, I MEAN, IT WAS INCREDIBLE AND I THINK MUCH NEEDED FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YES AND YES AND YES. LIKE LET'S TALK ABOUT IT DURING BUDGET. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET EVEN IF YOU STRETCH THAT BUDGET FROM 100 TO SAY, 125 THAT EXTRA $25,000 WOULD GO A PRETTY GOOD WAYS. COULDN'T BE MORE IMPRESSED WITH OUTDOOR AMARILLO AS KIND OF YOUR LEAD PARTNER. HONESTLY, COULDN'T BE MORE IMPRESSED WITH YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT. ON THIS EVENT, I KNOW THERE WERE PLENTY OF THINGS WE CAN IMPROVE UPON, BUT WHAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE IS, I THINK WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS WAS THE END OF DECEMBER JANUARY WHEN IT HIT YOUR RADAR. SO WE CUT YOUR PREP TIME, YOU KNOW, BY A THIRD ANYWAY. AND SO YOU PERFORMED MORE SO THAN NORMAL. WE HAD A FEW THINGS THAT WE KIND OF REACHED FOR DIDN'T COME TOGETHER, AND EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH LETTING THEM GO. IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR. LET'S BUILD ON IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S TOO COMPLEX, COMPLICATED. AND I THINK WE WE HELD A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. YOU KNOW, ON MY WAY IN POLICE, SOMEONE WAS TAKING SOMEBODY TO A BETTER PLACE THAT WAS CAUSING A PROBLEM. [LAUGHTER] AND SO THEY WERE ASSISTING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT NEEDED HELP. AND SO, LIKE, WE JUST HAD IT YOU WERE ON POINT, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I TOOK SOME OF THE CRITICISM EARLY OF, LIKE, WELL, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. THERE'S GOING TO BE TRASH EVERYWHERE. YOU DEFINITELY CANNOT DO THE BEER GARDEN. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH KIND OF THE NAYSAY COMMUNITY OF YOU KNOW, DON'T TRY TO HAVE FUN. YOU CAN'T TRUST THE COMMUNITY. WELL, WE CAN. AND WE HAD A LOT OF FUN AND IT WAS SAFE AND IT WAS A GOOD FAMILY EVENT. SO YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE COMPETITION ASPECT MIXED BACK IN. I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GROW IT THIS NEXT YEAR. THE DATE WOULD BE UP FOR A DISCUSSION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM THE FOURTH. I THINK YOU COULD DO THE FOURTH, BUT THEN IT WAS REALLY A GOOD FIT WITH IT BEING A FRIDAY. SO YOU COULD GO TO THE FIFTH THIS NEXT YEAR ON A SATURDAY AND STILL KIND OF HAVE THE SAME THING AT SOME POINT DURING THE, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE, YOU'RE GOING TO HIT IT WHERE IT'S LIKE, THAT DOESN'T WORK. AND MAYBE WE WOULD WANT TO MOVE TO THE FOURTH. BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS WE COULD DISCUSS. LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THE NEXT ONE WITH YOU. AND I MEAN, 20,000 PLUS COMING TO THE NEXT ONE. AND SO DOUBLE THE FOOD TRUCKS, DOUBLE THE TRIPLE THE FOOD TRUCKS. TRIPLE THE FOOD TRUCKS, TRIPLE THE ROYAL THRONES AND YOU'LL BE FINE. SO GREAT JOB. [00:45:01] REALLY. DID YOU GET FEEDBACK FROM THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS? I THINK THEY WERE VERY HAPPY. MOST OF THEM SOLD OUT. I THINK THE CHALLENGE WAS THOSE LONG LINES. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PROVIDE A GOOD PRODUCT. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY. AND SO THOSE LONG WAITS I THINK WE CAN IMPROVE ON FOR NEXT YEAR. SO ADDING MORE FOOD TRUCKS, SPREADING THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK WILL HELP WITH THAT. SO I'LL [INAUDIBLE] SHARES TACOS. SO IT WAS NO. THERE WERE ONLY LIKE 3 OR 4. SO THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT, I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK AND, AND WE ARE A LITTLE BIT AND WE SHOULD. YOU GOT TO RING THE BELL WHEN YOU DO A GOOD JOB. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAN, WE COULDN'T BE MORE PLEASED WITH THE COMMUNITY WE LIVE IN AND HOW IT WAS SAFE. AND EVERYBODY JUST WENT HAD A GOOD TIME AND SO THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED THIS COMMUNITY WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT. THAT'S WHY THIS WILL BE A GOOD DEAL NEXT YEAR. AND WE WERE WE WERE GLAD TO PUT IT BACK ON THE SCHEDULE. HATE THAT IT WENT AWAY. AND WE'LL PUSH THIS COUNCIL WILL PUSH TO KEEP IT AS ONE OF THOSE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT I THINK WE CAN WE CAN LEAD ON. AND YOU GUYS WILL DO THE WORK. Y'ALL DID THE WORK. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING IT A GOOD TIME. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. APPRECIATE YOU. [APPLAUSE] AND WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO ITEM 7D. DO WE HAVE MR. DENNIS HAWKINS BACK THERE COMING FORWARD TO LEAD US THROUGH A CHARTER REVIEW RECOMMENDATION? MAYOR, THIS IS. OH, THAT'S CORRECT. TO PUSH FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT. DENNIS IS STILL IN THE AIR PLANNING TO LAND AT 4:05. OKAY, WELL, EVEN BETTER. SO MR. HAWKINS IS NOT HERE YET. SO ITEM 7D WILL COME UP. AT THE END OF DISCUSSION. WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE UP LATER. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO MR. [7.E. Street Department Operations and Maintenance Update] HOOPER FOR ITEM 7E. WE'LL GET AN UPDATE ON OUR STREET DEPARTMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HOW DO YOU FOLLOW THAT? YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PRETTY AWESOME. WE WANT TO COME BACK AND RECAP A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND THAT WAS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING SOME CONTRACTOR ASSISTANCE FOR POTHOLE PATCHING AND TO PURCHASE SOME ADVANCED EQUIPMENT FOR OPERATIONS IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT. AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, WE WENT RIGHT TO WORK ON THAT. AND WE WERE WE HAD THE OPTION OF, YOU KNOW, WE BRING IT BACK AT BUDGET OR DO WE WANT TO JUST COME BACK NOW? MY PREFERENCE WAS TO JUST PUT THE NOSE TO THE GRIND AND COME BACK AND BRING IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO WITH THAT SAID, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING ON SOME FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE GOING TO INCLUDE AN RFP APPROVAL. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THAT PUT OUT THIS WEEK. IT'S PREPARED. IT'S READY TO GO. I HAVE A COPY OF IT IN MY HANDS RIGHT HERE. SO WE PRODUCE THAT PROBABLY FASTER THAN WE PRODUCED AN RFP IN QUITE A WHILE TO GET THAT OUT AS QUICK AS WE HAVE, THIS WOULD BE FOR A ONE YEAR CONTRACT FOR STREET MAINTENANCE NOT TO EXCEED $5 MILLION. AS WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THAT LAST COUNCIL MEETING FOR POTHOLE PATCHING, THAT WOULD BE BOTH WINTER MIX AND HOT MIX OPERATIONS, MINOR PATCHING, MAJOR PATCHING, CRACK SEALING. AND ALSO, JUST TO NOTE, THIS CONTRACT WOULDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING REGARDING CHIP SEAL, MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION, MILL AND FILLS, MICRO SURFACE, ETC. THOSE ITEMS ARE ACTUALLY A PART OF THE SUMMER MAINTENANCE CONTRACT AS WELL. OR AT LEAST PORTION OF THOSE ARE. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS AGENDA AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A CONTRACT THAT WOULD BE FOR MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS. WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SEVERAL BIDS ON THAT SO THAT WE CAN PUT MANY CONTRACTORS TO WORK BASED ON PRICE. NUMBER ONE, THEIR EXPERTISE, THEIR CAPABILITIES, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE. SO WE SHOULD HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HODGEPODGE OF HOW WE CAN PUT THOSE PEOPLE TO WORK. AS FAR AS OUR OPERATIONS ARE CONCERNED, THE CITY OF AMARILLO STREET PATCHING OPERATIONS, WHAT WE WOULD DO. AS WE MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WOULD MOVE INTO OUR ALLEYS AND BEGIN OUR FULL SCALE OPERATIONS THERE. WE'RE CURRENTLY ON A 15 YEAR CYCLE ON OUR ALLEYS. WE NEED TO BE AT ABOUT A SIX YEAR CYCLE. THIS GIVES US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A LOT OF RESOURCES INTO THE ALLEYS AND REALLY DO SOME WORK THERE. WE HAVE A SUPERVISOR THAT WE WOULD BE ASSIGNING TO THIS PROJECT TO LOOK AFTER THE CONTRACTOR, TO LOOK AFTER THE WORK ORDERS, AND TO TAKE CARE OF THAT END OF IT. THE REST OF THOSE CREWS WOULD BE AGAIN CONSOLIDATED WITH THE OTHER SUPERVISORS IN THAT DEPARTMENT. WORK ORDER IS GOING TO BE ISSUED TO THE CONTRACTORS IN RESPONSE TO THE POTHOLE SERVICE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE ANY MINOR PATCHES THAT WE NEED, MAJOR PATCH WORK AND CRACK SEAL WORK OVER THE WINTER TIME. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'LL BE DOING SOME DATA ANALYSIS THROUGH THAT TIME AS WELL, BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BRING BACK NUMBERS TO YOU. ALAN HARDER WILL BE MONITORING THAT PROGRAM AND COLLECTING THAT DATA. AND THEN I WILL BRING A FULL REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL, PROBABLY AT MID TERM THROUGH THAT PROJECT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE SPENT SO FAR, HOW MUCH IS REMAINING IN THAT PROJECT AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THE REST OF IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME HOW FAR THAT 5 MILLION WILL GO. IT MAY TAKE US THE FULL YEAR. IT MAY BE SHORTER THAN THAT. WE MAY NEED TO ALLOCATE MORE MONEY TO THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THEN THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING IS EQUIPMENT PURCHASES. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH SINCE THAT LAST MEETING. I'VE SPENT A TON OF TIME ON THE PHONE WITH OTHER OTHER CITIES, OTHER COUNTIES WITH READ SOME CASE STUDIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT EQUIPMENT. [00:50:03] THIS WILL BE FOR THE PURCHASE OF SOME SPRAY INJECTION TECHNOLOGY ASPHALT MACHINES. THEY RUN ABOUT 340,000 A PIECE AND THERE'S VERY. YOU CAN GET THESE FROM ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF MANUFACTURERS. IN FACT, YESTERDAY I FOUND A MANUFACTURER THAT'S ACTUALLY IN SAN MARCOS, TEXAS THAT MAKES THESE AS WELL. SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET IT CLOSER THAN MINNESOTA. OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COOLER WEATHER STATES HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, MINNESOTA, NEBRASKA, PLACES LIKE THAT. BUT THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN I SPOKE TO YESTERDAY MANUFACTURES IT RIGHT THERE IN SAN MARCOS. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THESE INTO THE ALLEYS FOR PATCHING OPERATIONS THERE, WHICH WOULD EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS AS WELL. AND AGAIN, GET US AHEAD OF THE CURVE. I BELIEVE WE COULD EXPECT DELIVERIES SHOULD WE GET. THESE ARE ALL BY BOARD PURCHASES, BY THE WAY, AND WE COULD EXPECT DELIVERY PROBABLY IN FEBRUARY OF 25, WHICH PUTS US RIGHT IN LINE WITH SPRING AND GETTING INTO THE NEXT SUMMER SEASON AND EVALUATING THE PROGRAM AT THE SAME TIME WITH THE CONTRACTORS. AND THEN IMPLEMENTING THIS IN THERE, I THINK, IS A BIG PART OF IT. OF COURSE THERE'LL BE DATA ON THIS AS WELL. ONCE WE GET THIS UP AND ROLLING. WE WANT TO BRING THAT DATA BACK TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW WELL WE'RE DOING WITH IT. EVERYONE THAT I'VE TALKED TO, 100% SAID IT'S A GAME CHANGER. AND THIS EQUIPMENT JUST CHANGES. IT'S A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY THAN WE USE NOW. IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S ON THE MARKET. IT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT USUALLY IT WOULD REQUIRE 2 OR 3 OPERATORS. IT'S THE AUTOMATED PORTION OF THIS. AND THE TRUCKS THAT HAVE A ONE PERSON OPERATION THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND SPECIAL NOW AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD IN OUR CIP FOR AT LEAST SIX YEARS NOW, I KNOW OF FOR SURE EXTRA POTHOLE CREWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S BEEN COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER CIP REQUESTS AND HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED. SO THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT. I HAD A VIDEO TO SHOW YOU, AND UNLIKE MICHAEL KASHUBA, WHO JUST SHOWED US UP, WE WERE UNABLE TO GET THAT TO PLAY WHEN WE WERE DOING A TEST RUN EARLIER. SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A STILL PICTURE INSTEAD. THIS IS THE UNIT AS IT'S WORKING. YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S A FOUR STEP PROCESS. THAT ARM THAT SETS OUT IN FRONT OF THAT MACHINE ACTUALLY HAS AIR, COMPRESSED AIR THAT CAN BE PUSHED OUT INTO THE POTHOLE, CLEAN THE POTHOLE OUT OF IT'S ANY MOISTURE THAT'S IN IT, DUST THAT'S IN IT, DIRT, THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU JUST REALLY NEED TO GET IT CLEAN. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO PUSH ALL THE ROCK OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE FIXING TO PUT ROCK BACK IN IT. BUT IT DOES HAVE TO GET THE HOLE CLEAN. THE SECOND STEP OF THAT IS TO SWITCH THE NOZZLE, AND THEN YOU PUT A TACK COAT DOWN RIGHT OUT OF THE SAME NOZZLE YOU WERE PUTTING THE AIR OUT OF. THEN THE THIRD STEP WOULD BE TO ADD AGGREGATE TO THAT EMULSION AND FILL THE HOLE WITH THAT. AND THEN THE THIRD STEP WOULD BE TO PUT DRY AGGREGATE ON THE TOP OF THAT, JUST TO PROTECT THE CARS AND STUFF AS THEY'RE GOING OVER THAT. AND THEN IT IS READY FOR TRAFFIC IMMEDIATELY THE TRUCK DRIVES OFF AND IT'S READY FOR TRAFFIC. SO THAT'S THE STEPS. THIS IS JUST A VIEW INSIDE THE CAB. IT'S JUST GOT A JOYSTICK IN THERE FOR ITS OPERATIONS. AND IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO OPERATE. THE PERSON THAT I TALKED TO AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SAID THAT THEY REALLY CAN TRAIN SOMEONE TO OPERATE THIS IN LESS THAN A WEEK. YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT GENERALLY IN A PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND GET THEM TRAINED, AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE TRAINED AND READY TO GO, THEY CAN HEAD OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT VERY SIMPLE CONTROL SYSTEM. THIS IS JUST A CLIPPING. I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE SAN ANTONIO MEDIA. THERE WERE SEVERAL ARTICLES ON IT. THEIR HIGH TECH TRUCK WAS REPAIRING 100 POTHOLES A DAY. THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT I SAW WHEN I TALKED TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS USING THESE. THEY'RE DOING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 80 AND 100 A DAY, AND THEY WENT FROM IN THE OLD METHOD. AND YOU STILL HAVE TO USE THE OTHER METHOD FOR THE LARGER LARGER PATCHES THAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO USE OUR PRO PATCH TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY WERE THEY WENT FROM DOING 30 TO 100 ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY. SO THAT'S A LOOK AT THAT. THIS IS THAT FOUR STEP PROCESS. OH, THE VIDEO IS BACK IN THERE. YOU WANT TO SEE IF IT'LL PLAY. IT MAY GET US STUCK. WE HAD A VIDEO HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO PLAY. AND THAT MEANS IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO TO THERE. WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'LL GO THERE. OUR OUR CURRENT PRODUCTION, OUR STREETS. RIGHT NOW, JUST TO REMIND YOU, WE HAVE ABOUT 15 TO 20 POTHOLES PER DAY PER TRUCK THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO NOW. THAT'S WHAT THE TWO PERSON CREW MULTIPLE CREWS FOR LARGER PATCHES. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 7 OR 8 PEOPLE IN SOME OF THE LARGER PATCHES. IT'S A MULTI STEP OPERATION. THEY HAVE TO GET A JACKHAMMER OUT. THEY HAVE TO GET THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE ASPHALT FROM THE GROUND. THEY HAVE TO THEN OF COURSE CLEAN THAT, APPLY THE TACK COAT TO THAT AND THEN DO COMPACTING AT THE END OF THE HOT MIX GOING INTO THAT HOLE. AND IT'S ALL PRETTY WEATHER RELATED. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE TEMPERATURES JUST IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO GET THAT DONE CORRECTLY. AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR US TOO IS THE SAFETY OF THE WORKERS AND THE ROADWAY. WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL COMPONENTS IN THERE AS WELL FOR THEM WHILE THEY'RE OUT ON THE ROAD. OUR NEW GOAL INITIALLY WOULD BE 75 PER DAY FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS THIS EQUIPMENT IS IN OPERATION. IT IS A ONE PERSON OPERATION. IT'S A MULTI STEP OPERATION, BUT THERE'S NO CHANGE IN EQUIPMENT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SWITCHING A BUTTON IN YOUR TOGGLE BUTTON TOGGLE AND YOU'RE DONE. TAKES ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO DO AN AVERAGE SIZE THREE BY THREE PATCH. NO TRAFFIC CONTROL NEEDED, AND THE SAFETY OF THE WORKERS ENHANCED BECAUSE THEY'RE INSIDE OF THE CAB OF THE TRUCK. AND IT'S JUST ONE PERSON AND I BELIEVE LET'S SEE IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. [00:55:05] THE OTHER BENEFITS OF THIS, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO JUST KIND OF SHARE THIS WITH YOU, BECAUSE I DID READ SEVERAL CASE STUDIES, TALKED TO SOME OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES AND EVERYONE. THIS WAS THE COMMONALITY THAT CAME FROM EVERYBODY. CASE STUDY SAID IT'S THE MOST ECONOMICAL AND LONGEST LASTING METHOD OF POTHOLE REPAIR. I TESTED THAT AND ASKED THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. I SAID, ARE YOU SEEING LONGER REPAIRS OR LONGER LONGEVITY IN YOUR REPAIRS WITH THIS THAN THE HOT MIX METHOD? AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE SEEING SOME THEY STARTED IN 2019 THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE. YOU GENERALLY SEE SOME OF THESE HOT MIX PATCHES. THEY'LL LAST ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. NOW I REALIZE IT'S DIFFERENT WEATHER IN SAN ANTONIO THAN IT IS HERE, BUT STILL, THAT'S A GOOD INDICATOR THAT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PRODUCT. CAN BE DONE YEAR ROUND. POTHOLES REPAIR WITH LESS LABOR, LESS INTERRUPTIONS FOR THE MOTORING PUBLIC BECAUSE WE'RE IN AND OUT OF THERE IN A HURRY AND HOT MIX MATERIAL WASTE AT THE END OF ABOUT A TWO DAY, THREE DAY PERIOD, WE HAVE TO WASTE ALL THE HOT MIX THAT'S STILL ON A TRUCK. THIS MATERIAL STAYS HEATED IN THE TANKS. THE AGGREGATE IS SEPARATE FROM THAT, SO IT NEVER TOUCHES THE EMULSION UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY INJECTED INTO THE ROADWAY. SO YOU DON'T WASTE ANY MATERIAL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOUR STRENGTH AND LIFE OF THE PATCHES I MENTIONED. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I HAD SOMEBODY MENTIONED TO ME YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS TALKING TO HIM, THEY SAID, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER TOO SHOVELS, RAKES, COMPACTORS, ROLLERS, ALL THESE THINGS THAT GO WITH THE OTHER METHOD OF PATCHING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE OR PURCHASE THOSE ANYMORE WITH THIS METHOD. SO WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY TO PUT TOWARD THIS. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE GENERAL FUND CASH THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR AN OVERLAY PROJECT OR OVERLAY PROJECTS. I SHOULD SAY THAT WE PLAN TO REALLOCATE FOR THIS PROJECT. SO REALLY, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK IF WE USE THAT MONEY FOR THIS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE OVERLAY PROJECTS THAT WERE UNABLE TO GET DONE DUE TO THE LOAD WE HAVE WITH ALL OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING ON WITH CIP, WITH PROP ONE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS, IS REALLY VERY BUSY WITH RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR PROP ONE PROJECTS, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, THIS PROJECT, A FULL RANGE OF DIFFERENT ATTACKS, IF YOU WILL, FOR OUR STREET MAINTENANCE. AND I THINK THAT JUST MAKES US BETTER AT WHAT WE DO. SO I PROMISED YOU I'D BRING IT BACK IN A HURRY, AND THERE MAY BE SOME MISSPELLING AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION. WE BUILT IT SO QUICK, BUT I CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. DONNY, WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO SAY? I DON'T REMEMBER, TOM, IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER, WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. I THINK IT WAS A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THAT'S IF I SAID YOU DID A TREMENDOUS JOB OR SOMETHING. I COULD WIN A BET. IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T REMEMBER IT THAT WAY, BUT. YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. GOOD JOB. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. ARE THESE QUESTIONS OR ACCUSATIONS, TOM? I THINK THEY'RE BOTH. COUNCILMAN SIMPSON. YOU GOT ANYTHING? WHAT'S THE GENERAL LIFESPAN ON THESE TRUCKS? TRUCKS? ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 5 TO 6 YEARS. AND WE WOULD PUT THAT IN OUR FLEET, OF COURSE. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE OUR REPLACEMENT COST BUILT INTO THAT. SO IN FIVE YEARS, WE WOULD REPLACE THAT EQUIPMENT. 5 TO 6 YEARS. ABOUT THE LIFE. YEAH. I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. SO WHY THREE? WHY DO YOU WANT TO BUY THREE OF THEM? WELL, MAINLY BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT HOW THEY WERE SPANNING THAT OUT AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES BASED ON POPULATION AND BASED ON THE WORKLOAD. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SAN ANTONIO HAS 16 TRUCKS NOW. THEY DON'T HAVE 16 OF THESE. THEY HAVE A COMBINATION OF 16 TRUCKS. WE KIND OF TOOK THAT MATH, BACKED IT UP TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO BE EFFICIENT WITH THIS. AND I THINK THREE WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS WAS MOST EFFECTIVE FOR IF WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO THAT. OKAY, SO WOULDN'T HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SITTING AROUND FOR SURE. NO, ABSOLUTELY. THESE THINGS BE WORKING THE WHOLE TIME. WE MET WITH OUR STREET SUPERINTENDENT LYNN HILL THIS WEEK, HAD A LONG DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT HOW WE WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THIS TO WORK. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED HIM IS HOW WE WOULD SHIFT THAT WORKLOAD FROM OUR POTHOLE PATCHING CREWS TO THE SINGLE OPERATOR, AND HE WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT. HE WAS JUST BESIDE HIMSELF. HE SAID, YOU WON'T NEED MORE PERSONNEL AND WE CAN KEEP THAT THING RUNNING YEAR ROUND. ALL THREE OF THEM. WHAT'S THE LARGEST PATCH THIS WILL DO? PROBABLY. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE AROUND A 4X4, AND YOU CAN DO LARGER PATCHES WITH THAT. IN FACT, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT ARE USING IT AS AN EXTRA TOOL TO DO LITTLE PIECES OF WINGS OR WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE AN APPROACH THAT DURING A SEAL COAT PROJECT, THEY'LL DO THAT WHOLE APPROACH AS A AS A SEAL COAT ON TOP OF THAT. SO DO YOU HAVE A DRIVE QUALITY? YOU KNOW, WHERE LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF HITTING THE BUMP? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DRIVE QUALITY OF THIS PATCH? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND THE ANSWER THAT I GOT FROM MOST OF THE PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE MANUFACTURERS, WERE THAT IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW QUICK YOU CAN GET TRAINED. BUT ONCE YOU GET A GOOD EYE FOR IT, WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING THAT FINAL COAT ON THERE, THEY'LL USE A LITTLE BIT OF AIR TO BLOW THAT OFF. AND AFTER TRAFFIC PASSES IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN THAT AT ALL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING THE EMULSION AND THE ROCK UP, YOU'RE BRINGING THAT LEVEL WITH THE SURFACE. YOU'RE JUST PUTTING THE PROTECTIVE ROCK ON THERE TO KEEP THE OIL FROM SLINGING WHILE IT'S STILL WET. [01:00:06] WELL, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE THROWING EVERYTHING YOU HAVE AT IT, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. I LIKE THE MULTI PRONGED APPROACH, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING AT BECAUSE WE, WE WE ARE BEHIND, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET CAUGHT UP. SO YEAH THIS IS THIS IS A GOOD TOOL. I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT. I'M GLAD YOU KNEW ABOUT IT. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT. SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THIS TO BUDGET OR DO YOU NEED SOMETHING? WE'RE NOT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT THESE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ONCE WE GET THE THE BIDS BACK IN. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM FOR YOU TO VOTE ON. SAME THING FOR THE EQUIPMENT AS WELL. OKAY. WHAT'S THE LEAD TIME FOR THESE? I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN WITH VEHICLES. IT'S JUST BEEN A NIGHTMARE LATELY. YEAH. FEBRUARY OF 2025. OH, WOW. YEAH. THEY'RE SAYING SIX MONTHS MAX. OKAY, THE CHASSIS'S ARE PRETTY MUCH. THEY'RE EASY TO GET RIGHT NOW. WEATHER A LOT EASIER TO GET THAN THEY WERE. AND THEN IT'S JUST BUILDING THE COMPONENTS THAT GO ON THE CHASSIS. SO I TALKED TO THREE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS. ALL OF THEM SAID SIX MONTHS. WOW. OKAY. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT OUT SOON NOW. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, TO I WOULD NEVER WANT TO PURCHASE ANYTHING UNLESS WE HAD DEMOS. SO WE'RE ALREADY SCHEDULING SOME DEMOS FOR THIS EQUIPMENT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS, JUST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS GOING TO BE PROVIDING US WITH THE BANG FOR THE BUCK THAT WE THINK THAT IT IS. WHEN WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THAT DEMO? WE WERE TRYING TO GET ONE SCHEDULED TODAY, BUT THEN I HAD TO BE HERE AT THREE AND I NEVER GOT A CALL BACK YET FROM THE GUY. AND THIS IS THE GUY OUT OF TEXAS THAT'S GOING TO BE SENDING SOMETHING UP. I'M HOPING HE SAID WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, WE SHOULD SCHEDULE ONE. AND IF CERTAINLY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO INVITE YOU. OKAY. HAVE YOU RUN LIKE, I'M GUESSING FOR BUDGET, BUT EFFICIENCY NUMBERS. SO WE GO FROM A TWO MAN CREW TO A ONE MAN CREW. THE REDUCTION IN HOT MIX, YOU KNOW, THE WASTE ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY FIGURES TO DO. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? LIKE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. I MEAN, IT'S EASY TO SEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A GREAT INCREASE IN YOUR EFFICIENCIES. ONE PERSON VERSUS TWO. I MEAN, THE SPEED OF BEING ABLE TO DO IT AND THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE DOING PER DAY VERSUS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU USED TO DO. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ROI THAT'S THERE. AND WE WILL WHEN WE START DOING OUR DATA, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DIG INTO THOSE NUMBERS SO WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU TO SHOW YOU WHAT ACTUALLY IS HAPPENING OUT THERE WITH IT. YEAH, THAT'D BE A GREAT NUMBER TO SEE. ABSOLUTELY. ANYTHING FURTHER? GENTLEMEN? GOOD JOB. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, I KNOW IT'S ONLY 4:00, BUT ACTUALLY I THINK WE ARE GOING TO CALL A QUICK RECESS. TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN I CAN CHECK AND SEE IF MR. HAWKINS IS IS GOING TO BE HERE IN TIME? HE MAY BE NEXT. IF HE'S NOT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TEE UP THE STAFF. WE WOULD WE WOULD MOVE INTO THE PROP ONE BOND FUND. AUDIT AT THAT TIME. SO TEN MINUTE RECESS. MEET YOU GUYS BACK IN HERE AROUND 415, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SESSION. HEAR FROM OUR FIRST RECESS? WE DO NOT HAVE MR. HAWKINS HERE YET, SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO JUGGLE THIS SCHEDULE, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON DOWN TO ITEM SEVEN F. [7.F. Discuss the analysis of accounting for 2016 Proposition 1 Bond Funds (Forensic Analysis Report) (Contact: Floyd Hartman, Assistant City Manager)] AND I WOULD ASK MR. HARTMAN IF HE WOULDN'T MIND WALKING US INTO THIS DISCUSSION OVER OUR PROP ONE AUDIT. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YES. WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY IS WE HAVE THE FORENSIC ANALYSIS REPORT. AND STEVE ARE YOU HERE? COME ON. COME ON UP. SO WE HAVE THE AUDITOR HERE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU FOR TODAY AND THEN A DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AFTERNOON, SIR. HOW ARE YOU? REAL GOOD, MR. HARTMAN. THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. MY NAME IS STEVE DAWSON. I'M PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF DFG FORENSIC ACCOUNTING SERVICES. AND IF YOU RECALL, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE WERE CONTRACTED TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE ACCOUNTING FOR THE 2016 PROPOSITION ONE BOND FUNDS. I THINK AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS DEALING WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE FUNDS. WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE FUNDS? I KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT ARE BEING HANDLED BY DIFFERENT TYPE CONSULTANTS SUCH AS US OR LEGAL CONSULTANTS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE ISSUES OF THE SPENDING OF 85% OR LACK OF SPENDING OF 85% OF THE BOND FUNDS WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD THAT'S REQUIRED, ACCORDING TO THE BOND. [01:05:02] THAT TYPE OF SITUATION IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE. WE'RE ASKED TO INVESTIGATE AND ASKED TO LOOK AT. WE'RE DOING A FORENSIC ANALYSIS OF THE EXPENDITURE OF THESE BOND FUNDS FROM INCEPTION IN 2016 UP THROUGH BASICALLY MARCH OF 2024. AND SO WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS THE REPORT DEALING WITH THAT PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD AND AGAIN, DEALING WITH THE ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE BOND FUNDS. NOW, I WANT TO GET INTO THIS BY BASICALLY STATING THAT THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE DOING IS ACCOUNTING. AND AGAIN, I WILL READ SPECIFICALLY WHAT WAS IN THE ENGAGEMENT LETTER DEALING WITH WHAT A FORENSIC ANALYSIS IS AND THE OBJECTIVES IS. IT WAS BASICALLY TO PERFORM AN ANALYSIS OF THE ACCOUNTING RECORDS OF THE CITY, AS APPLIES TO THE 20 1718 AND 21 BOND SERIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT 2016 PROP ONE BOND ISSUE. WE'RE DOING THAT FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME UNTIL AGAIN UP THROUGH MARCH OF 24. AND THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE, IF I CAN JUST STATE THAT IS TO SEE WAS THE ACCOUNTING PROPER FOR THOSE BOND FUNDS, ARE THERE FUNDS MISSING FROM THOSE BOND FUNDS? WHAT IS THE STATUS? WHAT IS THE BALANCE LEFT OVER AVAILABLE FOR EXPENDITURE OF THOSE BOND FUNDS? I KNOW THAT THIS FORENSIC ANALYSIS WAS PREDICATED UPON RECEIVING SOME CONFLICTING ANSWERS, SOME DIFFERENT ANSWERS. AS FAR AS WELL, WE HAVE 6 MILLION LEFT. WE HAVE 10 MILLION LEFT. WE HAVE 38 MILLION LEFT. JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANSWERS. AND SO THIS ANALYSIS WAS ASKED TO BE PERFORMED TO TRY TO GIVE YOU WHAT IS A A TRUE ANSWER BASED ON OUR DIGGING THROUGH THE ACCOUNTING RECORDS AND TALKING WITH THE PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. NOW ANY TIME WE DO AN ANALYSIS ON A FORENSIC ANALYSIS, WE ALSO ARE LOOKING FOR AND BEING TRYING TO BE AS AWARE AS IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE FOR ITEMS OF PREDICACION. PREDICACION IS WHAT WE CALL PROBABLE CAUSE. PROBABLE CAUSE IF WE SEE ITEMS IN THE ACCOUNTING RECORDS, IF WE SEE ITEMS AS TO HOW THEY WERE PROCESSED, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE NEFARIOUS IN NATURE, THEN WE WILL INVESTIGATE THAT. AND THAT'S PREDICATION, SOME TYPE OF PROBABLE CAUSE THAT LEADS US TO THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK FURTHER FORENSICALLY INTO WERE THERE ITEMS TAKEN OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. AND SO THIS ENGAGEMENT, AS WE GO INTO IT, INCLUDES THE IDENTIFICATION OF ANY TYPE OF PREDICATION OR THE SEARCH FOR PREDICATION THAT MAY EXIST. SO WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ARE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION DEALING WITH WAS THERE SOMETHING IN THE DOCUMENTATION THAT REVEALED OR REFLECTS POTENTIALLY THE COMMITTING OF A CRIME, THE CONCEALMENT OF A CRIME, OR THE CONVERSION OF THE FUNDS THAT WERE OBTAINED IN THE CRIME? IS THERE SOME TYPE OF PRESENTABLE CASE OF FRAUD TO ASSOCIATED WITH THE RECORDS? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR IN THE DOCUMENTATION. BECAUSE DOCUMENTATION TELLS THE STORY, NOTHING ELSE REALLY WILL TELL THE STORY. DOCUMENTATION TELLS THAT STORY. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR THE WHAT WE CALL THE MIND OF A PERPETRATOR. AND THAT DEALS WITH A LEGAL TERM CALLED MENS REA, WHICH IS THE GUILTY MIND. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD EXPRESS INTENT ON THE PART OF AN INDIVIDUAL INTENT TO BENEFIT PERSONALLY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR THE MENS REA CATEGORY OF KNOWLEDGE. IS THERE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WOULD SHOW THIS INDIVIDUAL KNEW THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS WRONG, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY WENT AHEAD AND COMMITTED A AN ALLEGED CRIME. AND IF SO, WAS THERE ANYTHING AS FAR AS RECKLESS CONDUCT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT DEAL WITH MENS REA CATEGORIES? NOW I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SKIP TO ONE OF THE RESULTS OF OUR ANALYSIS THUS FAR IN OUR ANALYSIS, AS WE HAVE COMPLETED THIS ENGAGEMENT, WE DID NOT IDENTIFY ITEMS OF PREDICATION OR PROBABLE CAUSE THAT WOULD SHOW INTENT OR KNOWLEDGE ON THE PART OF ANYBODY ACTING WITHIN THE CITY TO BENEFIT PERSONALLY FROM PROPOSITION ONE BOND FUNDS, AND THAT IS [01:10:09] GOOD NEWS. NOW, IN MY PROFESSION, I DON'T OFTEN GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE GOOD NEWS. SO IF THERE IS GOOD NEWS IN ANY OF THIS, THAT IS ONE PIECE OF IT. WE FOUND NO ITEMS OF PREDICATION TO INVESTIGATE ADDITIONAL ISSUES OF POTENTIAL CRIMES. THE OTHER THING AS WE'LL GET TO THIS AND I'LL GET MORE SPECIFIC HERE IN A MINUTE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS IN THE PROPOSITION ONE FIDELITY ACCOUNT BASICALLY IS WHAT SHOULD BE THERE. SO THE GOOD NEWS THAT I CAN GIVE YOU HERE IS THERE ARE NO FUNDS MISSING FROM THE PROPOSITION ONE BOND FUNDS. SO I'VE GIVEN YOU TWO GOOD PIECES OF NEWS SO FAR. WELL, THEN WHY ALL THE QUESTIONS? WHY THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH. WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT? WHAT? WHAT IS SPENT? WHAT'S UNSPENT? WHAT'S ALLOCATED, NOT ALLOCATED. AGAIN, I'LL SPEAK TO THOSE ISSUES NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PROCESS ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. AND WITHIN OUR REPORT AFTER WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES OF WHAT WENT WRONG IN THE ACCOUNTING, WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION IN THE REPORT THAT DEALS WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR IMPROVING THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PLANS ALREADY IN PLACE. I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT IN DEALING WITH YOUR PEOPLE HERE AT THE CITY YOU'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. YOU'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE. THEY'VE LEARNED SOME THINGS AND, AND COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PRIMARY ISSUES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND GET INTO SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. BACK IN 2016 PROPOSITION ONE BOND WAS APPROVED AT 89.3 MILLION, BASICALLY. SO I'M JUST ROUNDING UP TO $89 MILLION. EXCUSE ME, IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THAT FUND? NOW, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR PROCESSES OF WHAT IS THAT SPIN ON? WAS IT WAS IT SUPPORTED AS FAR AS AN EXPENDITURE IS CONCERNED? THE ANSWER THERE IS YES. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME SOME REAL NUMBERS. WE'RE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE OUT OF THE $89 MILLION, 55 MILLION HAS BEEN SPENT. OKAY. AND SO THAT LEAVES A REMAINING AMOUNT OF $34 MILLION. NOW, AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN LESS THAN THAT. THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN THAT. BUT ALL OF THAT IS A MATTER OF COMMUNICATION DEALING WITH, WELL, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET ALLOCATION? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL EXPENDITURES. AND SO I THINK IT WAS A GOOD, PRUDENT MOVE FOR COUNCIL TO ENGAGE THIS IN THIS PROJECT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHAT'S REAL, WHAT IS ACTUALLY THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I GIVE YOU, IS IN PROCESSES ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THE ACCOUNTING FOR THESE 2016 BOND FUNDS, WE'RE DEALING WITH ISSUES OF MISCOMMUNICATION, LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS, ALL KINDS OF DEPARTMENTS. WE'RE DEALING WITH A MANUAL SYSTEM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. I KNOW THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AND LIVING IN AN ELECTRONIC SOCIETY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPENDITURE OF THESE BOND FUNDS THAT ARE WHAT WE WOULD CALL MANUAL. IT'S HARD COPY TYPE DOCUMENTATION. AND SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN A BOND FUND EXPENDITURE SITUATION WITH MANUAL DOCUMENTATION, WITH SOME LACK OF COMMUNICATION IN THE PROCESS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH REPORTING PROBLEMS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS AND I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE THE VERSION THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE FOUND AS FAR AS RESULTS. I KNOW THAT I'M GOING THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY, BUT WHAT WE DO IN OUR ANALYSIS IS WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A STANDARD OF PERFORMANCE OR RE PERFORMANCE OR BOTH. OKAY. WHAT IS THAT? WELL, IF SOMETHING HAS BEEN DONE AS FAR AS AUDITING OF THESE RECORDS ALREADY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF [01:15:02] REPERFORMANCE OF WHAT THAT AUDIT ENTAILED, TO SEE IF OUR RESULTS ARE THE SAME AS WHAT THE INITIAL AUDIT RESULTS WERE. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE ADD TO THAT THAT OUR STANDARD OF PERFORMANCE. SO NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO REPERFORM WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE TO SEE IF WE COME UP WITH THE SAME CONCLUSIONS, THEN WE PERFORM AS WELL OURSELVES TO DETERMINE IF ALL OF THOSE CONCLUSIONS ARE CONSISTENT. AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THEY ARE. THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE BY THE INTERNAL AUDIT FUNCTION OF THE CITY, WHICH WAS GOOD WORK. AND QUITE FRANKLY SAVED YOU QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OUR FEE, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN OF OUR FEE. YOU APPROVED A MAXIMUM OF $37,000 FOR THIS ENGAGEMENT. AND WHEN I LEAVE HERE TONIGHT THE TOTAL COST THAT WE HAVE IN THIS ENGAGEMENT IS ABOUT 17,000. SO THAT'S THAT JUST SPEAKS TO THE ISSUE OF WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THROUGH REPERFORMANCE OF THOSE TYPES OF PROCEDURES. WE LOOKED AT THE PROJECTS, WE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENT DOCUMENTATION ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS DETERMINED THAT THE DOCUMENTATION WAS THERE. THERE IS SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION FOR EXPENDITURES MADE. NOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT EXISTED. AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO A LOT OF PROCESS ISSUES OR COMMUNICATION ISSUES. THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSFERS BETWEEN BUDGET OR BETWEEN PROJECTS. A LOT OF TRANSFERS MORE THAN IS IN ANY FORM OR FASHION NECESSARY. BUT AGAIN, THE ABILITY TO TRAIL THESE TRANSFERS TRANSFERS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THESE PROJECTS. THAT'S THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT. AND SO ULTIMATELY, THOSE TRANSFERS TRAIL. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE IN HERE IS A NEW AUTHORIZATION FLOW. IF YOU WILL, FOR ANY TIME A TRANSFER IS NECESSARY, REQUESTED BETWEEN PROJECTS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. IT'S GOING TO BE DOCUMENTED IN WRITING AND HAVE DUAL AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT TRANSFER. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE MADE. BUT THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS OF LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION, LOOKING THROUGH THE SYSTEM WHAT WE CALL THE CORE PROCESSING SYSTEM OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO. THOSE ARE ITEMS IN THERE THAT. THAT'S A TON OF DOCUMENTATION. AND THE FORTUNATE PIECE OF THIS IS THE DOCUMENTATION IS THERE? IT MAY NOT HAVE ALL BEEN REAL EASY TO FIND. I CAN I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT, BUT IT'S THERE. AND SO THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD OUTCOME TO THIS WHOLE SITUATION. NOW LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE WAY OF ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS. WE'VE GOT IN OUR REPORT AN ANALYSIS OF AND THIS IS A QUICK ANALYSIS JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS. THERE WERE $89.6 MILLION BASICALLY IN PROP ONE BOND FUNDS RECEIVED AND 75.8 MILLION THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED. BUDGET ALLOCATED, WHICH MEANS THERE'S ABOUT $13.8 MILLION TO BE ALLOCATED IN BOND FUNDS. IS THAT ALL THAT'S LEFT? NO. THE ANSWER IS THERE'S 34 MILLION LEFT BECAUSE 20 MILLION HAS BEEN BUDGET ALLOCATED AND NOT EXPENDED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO BOTTOM LINE, YOU'VE GOT 34 MILLION THAT SHOULD BE IN THE BANK ACCOUNT AND THERE IS 34 MILLION THAT IS IN THE BANK ACCOUNT. ANOTHER OUTSTANDING QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED IS, WELL, WAS THAT ALWAYS IN THE BANK ACCOUNT. YOU KNOW, WERE THOSE BOND FUNDS IN THAT BANK ACCOUNT? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. YOU KNOW, THOSE THOSE TRANSFERS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THOSE ARE PROJECT ALLOCATION TRANSFERS, BUDGET ALLOCATION TRANSFERS WITHIN THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM FOR THESE BOND FUNDS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERS IN AND OUT OF THE BOND FUND BANK ACCOUNT. THOSE ARE THOSE AMOUNTS ARE PURE. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD PIECE OF INFORMATION. AGAIN I LIKE GIVING GOOD INFORMATION. I KNOW MY FACE DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW IT, BUT IT ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE THIS. BUT I DO LIKE TO GIVE GOOD NEWS. NOW WHAT DO WE SUGGEST? WHAT DO WE RECOMMEND AS FAR AS CHANGES IN THE PROCESS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, FOR COMMUNICATION AND SO FORTH? [01:20:02] WELL, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS IN HERE. AGAIN, I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DOCUMENTATION AND DUAL AUTHORIZATIONS FOR TRANSFERS, BUDGET ALLOCATION, TRANSFERS BETWEEN PROJECTS. I ALSO TALK ABOUT PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT IS HERE THAT SHOULD BE UTILIZED. THE BUILDER BUILDER SOFTWARE AND THEN THE IMPROVED PROCESS OF COMMUNICATION. NOW THE CITY EFFECTIVE BASICALLY I MEAN, THE PLANS ARE RIGHT NOW FOR JANUARY OF 2025 TO HAVE A NEW ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM IN PLACE CALLED WORKDAY. AND THAT IS GOING TO ASSIST. IT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COMMUNICATION, AND IT'S GOING TO COORDINATE HUMAN RESOURCES. IT'S GOING TO COORDINATE PROJECT PLANNING. IT'S GOING TO COORDINATE THE ACCOUNTING FINANCE FUNCTION TO WHERE THERE IS IMPROVED COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS WHERE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT OCCURRED EXISTED HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. THAT WORKDAY IMPLEMENTATION, AGAIN, IS PLANNED FOR JANUARY OF 2025. NOW, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO BE AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE OPERATING IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE WITH SOFTWARE. AND SO I AM I AM BASICALLY STATING AND HAVE PUT IN THIS REPORT THAT AS FAR AS SPECIFIC INTERNAL CONTROLS FOR ME TO RECOMMEND AND HAVE YOU IMPLEMENT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A POINTLESS PURSUIT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN JANUARY OF 2025. AND SO AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THAT WORKDAY AND BUILDER IS IMPLEMENTED FOR PROJECT TRACKING AND ACCOUNTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY PURPOSES WE'RE AVAILABLE PHONE CALL, EMAIL, WHATEVER. SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS CONTROL IN THIS AREA? AND WE'LL WE'LL GLADLY DO THAT ANYTIME WE DO AN ANALYSIS TYPE ENGAGEMENT LIKE THIS, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS A GREAT ACCOUNTABILITY EXERCISE WE LIKE TO SEE TODAY WHERE WE MAKE THE REPORT AS REALLY THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, NOT THE END OF THE PROCESS. AND BY THAT, I MEAN, I WANT YOUR PEOPLE TO KNOW YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE ADVICE THAT WE SEE AS FAR AS THE BEST INTERNAL CONTROL THAT CAN EXIST WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. NOW AGAIN, WHY THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO DEALS WITH QUESTIONS OF WHY THE MONEY'S NOT SPENT, TIMELINESS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AGAIN, THAT'S BEING HANDLED BY EXTERNAL CONSULTANTS. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT'S A REVIEW OF THE ANALYSIS OR REVIEW OF THE ACCOUNTING FOR THIS OTHER COMMUNICATION ISSUES THAT EXIST HERE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION. THERE'S EMAILS TEXTS, TEAMS NOTES EXCEL SPREADSHEETS. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE IN MY MIND. I IN ANY SPREADSHEETS, EXTERNAL TO THE CORE PROCESSING SYSTEM. JUST DRIVE ME UP A WALL. BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXIST, THE COMMUNICATION NEEDS TO ALSO BE CENTRALIZED, AND THAT COMMUNICATION NEEDS TO BE CENTRALIZED IN SOMETHING LIKE THE WORKDAY PROGRAM. THAT ALSO TAKES CARE OF THE OLD DOCK SYSTEM. WHEN THAT'S DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE WITHIN THE ACCOUNTING PROCESS. SO I FEEL POSITIVE ABOUT WHERE IT'S GOING AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE. I FEEL POSITIVE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT MISSING FUNDS. NOW, WHAT YOU'RE TASKED WITH AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS HOW QUICKLY DO WE GET THESE FUNDS SPENT AND ON WHAT? SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY QUICK REVIEW OF THE ACCOUNTING PROCESS AND THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. YES. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE AUDIT. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN AND DOING THAT. I KNOW IT'S PRETTY SCARY ON OUR END, YOU KNOW FOR STAFF AS WELL. EVEN IF YOU'RE DOING THINGS RIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE FOUND. THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF. YEAH. SO I THINK YOUR AUDIT JUST SIMPLY REINFORCED THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT AT LEAST IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE DOING THINGS WELL. [01:25:01] FROM, I GUESS, WHERE THE SCOPE WE FIRST THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE 37,000, 17,000, RIGHT. I THINK THAT GOES TO SHOW THAT OUR ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS DOING A GOOD JOB. SO MY HOPE IS THAT YOUR FINDINGS ARE JUST A FIRST PART OF BUILDING A FOUNDATION OF TRUST. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE THE QUESTIONS I THINK THAT SOME COUNCIL HAD WAS, IS THE MONEY THERE, WAS IT MOVED AROUND? WAS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. SO BUT FROM WHAT YOU'RE FINDING IS IT WAS ALL THERE. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MESSY LIKE THE, THE TRANSACTIONS AND THAT TYPE DEAL MAKES ME THINK OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING AUDITED BY THE IRS. AND YOU GOT A BOX FULL OF RECEIPTS AND IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S PRETTY MESSY, BUT I GOT IT RIGHT. SO I'M GUESSING THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S THAT'S A VERY GOOD METAPHOR THERE. SORRY. NO. YEAH. YEAH. ANALOGIES. BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR THOROUGHNESS. I THINK YOU WERE SOUGHT OUT BECAUSE WE KNEW YOU'D BE IMPARTIAL. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND, I MEAN, I JUST I THINK THERE'S A MISCOMMUNICATION ON ALLOCATED VERSUS EXPENDED WHICH, AGAIN, A COMMUNICATION ISSUE. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SO LAURA AND HER, YOU, NEAL AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF AT LEAST DOCUMENTING WHERE THE MONEY IS AND THAT TYPE DEAL. THE BIGGEST QUESTION WE HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR SCOPE IS THE WHY. WE DON'T KNOW WHY. WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANSWERS. I HOPE EVENTUALLY WE WILL GET ANSWERS AS TO WHY THE MONEY WASN'T SPENT, IT'S REALLY ODD FOR A MUNICIPALITY THAT NEEDS MONEY AND HAVE LOTS OF PROJECTS, AND WE'VE GOT MONEY AND IT DOESN'T GET SPENT. BUT I KNOW THAT'S OUTSIDE YOUR SCOPE, SO THAT'S OUR JOB TO FIND THAT. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE ANALYSIS, AND I APPRECIATE OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. QUESTIONS FROM THIS SIDE. YOU MENTIONED A STATEMENT THERE THAT KIND OF CAUGHT MY ATTENTION, AND I AGREE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. THE GOOD NEWS IS THE MONEY'S IN THE BANK. THE BAD NEWS IS THE MONEY'S IN THE BANK. IT'S NOT ON THE STREETS OF OUR COMMUNITY. YES. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SIT IN THIS SEAT, WHAT YOU HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING DOWN GRAND STREET, WHICH YOU CAN WHEN YOU HEAD BACK TO LUBBOCK, YOU GO DOWN GRAND STREET AND YOU CAN ENJOY ITS VIRTUOUS DRIVE DOWN THERE. BUT I THINK THAT AND AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T FALL UNDER YOUR AREA, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER MONEY WAS MISSING, BUT THE ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT THAT MONEY HAS NOT BEEN SPENT. THE GOOD THING IS THERE, THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH WAS LEFT. KIND OF LED TO THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN NOW OF DEALING WITH POTENTIALLY BEING IN PROBLEMS WITH THE IRS FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE THAT WE SPEND THAT MONEY. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S THERE. BUT THE BAD NEWS IS WE HAVEN'T SPENT IT AND WE HAVEN'T SERVED OUR CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY TO GET THEIR ROADS FIXED AS THEY VOTED IN 2016 TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT SAYS SPREADSHEETS EXTERNAL TO THE CORE PROCESSES. ALL RIGHT. TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHY THAT FRUSTRATES YOU. BECAUSE THAT IS THE LIFE OF WHICH WE LIVE IN A LOT OF TIMES IN THE BUDGET AND IN OTHER AREAS. OH, YEAH, THE SPREADSHEETS HAVE INFORMATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE CORE. EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. YEAH. NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME DOING FORENSIC INVESTIGATION IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. AND WHEN WE GET INTO AN ORGANIZATION'S ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM IS THERE AS, AS A CAPTURE OF THE TRANSACTIONS THAT OCCURRED. AND SO AS TRANSACTIONS ARE ENTERED INTO THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, IT'S IT'S TO ACCUMULATE THAT INFORMATION INTO ADEQUATE AND PROPER REPORTING TYPE REPORTS TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS AREA, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS AREA. AND THE CORE PROCESSING SYSTEM ACCOUNTING SYSTEM OF ANY ORGANIZATION THAT IS THE GOAL IS FOR THAT TO BE THE ULTIMATE SOURCE OF ORIGINAL ENTRY THAT RESULTS IN PROPER REPORTING. WE GO INTO SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THEY THEY HAVE THE TRANSACTION RECORDING INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT THE ACTUAL REPORTING OF THE RESULTS IS ALL MAINTAINED AND KEPT ON A SPREADSHEET. AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, WELL, WHY? YOU KNOW WHAT IS? WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT? AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S TWO THINGS. THE SYSTEM IS INADEQUATE OR THERE IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE WAY. IT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT OR IT'S HARD TO LET GO OF A SPREADSHEET. [01:30:06] BUT SPREADSHEETS HAVE A LOT OF HUMAN ERROR ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. AND SO ANYTIME I SEE THAT IN THE INVESTIGATIVE CAPACITY I KNOW THAT. OKAY, I'VE GOT TWO SYSTEMS BASICALLY TO AUDIT. I'VE GOT THE CORE PROCESSING SYSTEM, AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF SPREADSHEETS THAT I HAVE TO AUDIT. SO THAT'S WHAT FRUSTRATES ME. THANK YOU. KIND OF A LONG. WELL, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET, BECAUSE WHILE WE HAVE BUDGETING SYSTEMS, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS GATHERED. AND, YEAH, OUT OF DISPARATE SYSTEMS THAT COME INTO A SPREADSHEET AND REALLY, YOU DON'T KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT INFORMATION. I MEAN, HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT THAT INFORMATION IS ACCURATE? NOT THAT IT'S PUT OUT THERE INACCURATELY, BUT IT'S IT'S THINGS CAN HAPPEN. THINGS CAN TRANSFER. BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT GO BACK TO THE SYSTEM. AND HOPEFULLY OUR NEW SYSTEMS WILL BE ABLE TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GET A LOT OF EVEN ON COUNCIL, WE GET A LOT OF BUDGET INFORMATION THAT REALLY DOESN'T COME FROM THE SYSTEM. IT IS TRANSFERRED INTO SPREADSHEETS TO SAY, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IT'S I GUESS THE CHALLENGE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU EFFECTIVELY KEEP UP WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO USE SPREADSHEETS TO KEEP TRACK OF IT? YEAH. NO, I THINK IT WILL HELP. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MR. DAWSON? YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU TAKING A PHONE CALL FROM ME EARLIER TODAY. YOU BET. I KNOW IT WAS GOOD FOR ME TO GET WITH YOU, JUST TO MAKE SURE I WAS READING YOUR REPORT CORRECTLY. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN YOUR REPORT SPEAKS TO, LIKE. LIKE GROSS COMMUNICATION ERRORS, RIGHT. A LOT OF MISCOMMUNICATION MULTIPLE TRANSFERS THAT ARE HARD TO FOLLOW DURING JUST A, YOU KNOW, A 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH YOU HEARING YOU SAY, LIKE, YEAH, I REALLY HAD TO WORK TO TRACK ALL THIS, AND WE FOUND IT, AND THAT'S GOOD. SO I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH A GOOD SET OF PROBLEMS. I KNOW I WALKED AROUND FOR LIKE AT LEAST THREE MONTHS SAYING OUT LOUD, MAN, I WOULD LOVE TO THINK THAT WE HAD $40 MILLION LAYING AROUND, BUT I KNOW BETTER, RIGHT? AND FINALLY MRS STORRS STOPPED ME ONE DAY IN MY OFFICE, AND SHE SAID, MAYOR, WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LOVE, LOVE IT IF WE HAD THAT MONEY? I SAID, WELL, I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE IT. I'M BEING TOLD THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT. I HAVE STAFF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE TELLING ME ON REPORTS THAT IT'S NOT THERE. AND SO WHEN I WAS TALKING TO YOU EARLIER, I HAD TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR AND DISTINCT IN WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS COMMUNICATING TO YOU WAS THE MONEY THE TRANSFERS WERE TRANSFERS, TRANSFER ALLOCATIONS BETWEEN PROJECTS. IT WASN'T TRANSFER LIKE WE MOVED THE MONEY AROUND. SO WE USED THE $40 MILLION TO GO AND DO OTHER THINGS. AND THEN WE PUT IT BACK. I THINK WHAT WHAT I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR IS, IS YOU HAVE VERIFIED THAT THE MONEY LITERALLY SAT IN THAT FIDELITY ACCOUNT DID NEVER MOVED, JUST ACCRUED INTEREST UNTIL IT WAS DISPERSED FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT THAT WE DID. AND SO THAT THAT WAS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER. I'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU'RE SMILING RIGHT NOW, LIKE, I'M, I I TAKE THIS PRETTY SERIOUSLY. I WANT TO ENJOY OUR JOB. I WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR THE CITIZENS. THERE'S A THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STRESS AND PRESSURE IN IN YOU CARE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T JUST WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME UP HERE. AND SO WITH THIS ISSUE BEHAVIOR MATTERS. AND I THINK A LOT OF MY QUESTIONING FOR STAFF AND A LOT OF MY PURSUIT ON THIS ALONG THE WAY WERE THAT I COULD NOT FATHOM THAT WE WOULD BEHAVE IN A WAY THAT THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE BEHAVE IN BUSINESS. SO YOU NEVER HAVE THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE MONEY SITTING THERE AND YOU FORGOT THAT YOU HAD IT. I JUST COULDN'T CONTEMPLATE THAT. AND SO I WAS ASSUMING THAT WE WERE BEHAVING A CERTAIN WAY OF, OF REPORTS THAT WOULD COME OUT. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED, I ORIGINALLY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE LEFT? WELL, WE'VE SPENT MOST OF IT. THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT. DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THE NEXT PROJECT ON THE PRIORITY LIST, WHICH AT THAT TIME I BELIEVE WAS GEORGIA AND IT HAD BEEN BUDGETED. YOU GUYS CAN CORRECT IT 4 OR 5 MILLION, AND IT WAS BEING PROJECTED AT LIKE A $12 MILLION PROJECT AT THAT TIME. THIS IS TWO YEARS AGO. KEEP IN MIND. SO I WAS I WAS UNDER THE THE INFERENCE THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE $12 MILLION SITTING THERE. AND SO I COULD NOT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE BEHAVIOR OF GOING FROM A GIVEN REPORT THAT SHOWED 6 MILLION. [01:35:01] AND THEN WE WE HAD A FOLLOW UP REPORT THAT SHOWED 16 MILLION, AND THEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN THAT PRESENTATION OF THE 16 MILLION WHERE STAFF SAID, WELL, I THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN THAT, YOU KNOW AND WE WE TALKED THROUGH IT. THIS WAS A 2.5 HOUR MEETING. WELL, HOW MUCH MORE? WELL, WE PROBABLY HAVE 20, 22, $23 MILLION. WELL OKAY. LET'S GET OUR BUDGET BOOK OUT. LET'S GO BACK THROUGH. IT TURNS OUT 34.6 MILLION. THESE ARE NOT NORMAL BEHAVIORS. SO IN THE IN THE THE TO USE A TERM THAT'S BEEN YOU KNOW SPOKEN HERE, YOU KNOW, CRIMINALITY IS WHAT YOU LOOK FOR IN YOUR TRADE. AND WE'RE THANKFUL THAT NOTHING CRIMINAL HAS GONE ON. BUT THEN MISCOMMUNICATION, GROSS INCOMPETENCE OF OF LIKE AN ORGANIZATION. AND I'M NOT SINGLING OUT ANY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD POINT THE FINGER TO PROBABLY FOUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND SAY, WELL, BETWEEN THESE FOUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND BETWEEN THIS GUY WHO USED TO BE THE DIRECTOR, THIS GUY WHO USED TO BE THE CITY MANAGER, THESE THINGS, THESE CURRENT STAFF INVOLVEMENTS, WE WE'VE BEEN GROSSLY INCOMPETENT IN MANAGING THIS MONEY. AND IT'S NOT A, AN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT I THINK IS IS TOO MUCH TO HANDLE. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE $40 MILLION. IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I THINK IT'S TAKEN. SO FROM 2016 ALL THE WAY UP. AND THEN FOR PREVIOUS COUNCIL TO FUND THIS IN 2021, FOR IT TO TAKE THREE YEARS FOR US TO GET HERE AND FOR US TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE WITH YOU OF THE BEHAVIORS HAVE BEEN SO ERRATIC, AND THIS IS SO OUT OF THE BOX THAT WE LITERALLY NEED A FORENSIC AUDIT TO KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE. WE CANNOT JUST PUSH FORWARD AND ASSUME THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE VERY GOOD DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS WERE LIKE, WHO AND WHY? YOU KNOW, WHO TOLD YOU NOT TO DO THE JOB IN 2021? YOU WERE TOLD TO GO DO THE JOB AND THEN IT JUST DIDN'T GET DONE. WE DID ONE. WE DID WESTERN HAGI. WALLACE. RIGHT. WE DID THOSE SPENT SOME MONEY, LET'S CALL IT $20 MILLION OUT OF THE 57 MILLION. CORRECT. AND THEN NOTHING, JUST NOTHING MOVED. AND AT THE SAME TIME AS, AS MAYOR AT THAT TIME, I'M PUSHING, SAYING, PLEASE TELL ME. SHOW ME REPORTS. I WANT YOU, NEAL, TO SHOW ME WHERE ALL THE MONEY WENT. YOU KNOW, WHAT PROJECTS DO WE STILL HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL LIST? HOW MANY PROJECTS CAN WE GO DO? NOT TO MENTION, WE WENT THROUGH A BUDGET CYCLE WHERE COUNCIL PUT FORWARD A $14 MILLION ANNUAL SOLUTION IN THE WAY IN WHICH WE CAN BORROW WITH $1 MILLION IN OUR CURRENT TAX RATE. WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND WE CAN HAVE A $14 MILLION REOCCURRING FUND IF WE LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. THAT ACTUALLY WILL GET US INTO HOPEFULLY, A GOOD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THESE ROADS. SO WITH ALL OF THAT, I THINK I'M GETTING TO THE POINT OF. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IN SAYING THAT WE HAVE A CONTROLLER IN PLACE. I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THE FINANCE COMMUNICATION WHERE FINANCE IS WATCHING THESE BORROWED FUNDS AND THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. AND I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT THROUGH A BUDGET SESSION WHERE WE PUT FORWARD MONIES THAT WE WERE READY TO BORROW. AND HAD WE HAVE NOT CAUGHT, THAT WE WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXPIRATION DATE ON THE THE SPEND DOWN ON THESE, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE BORROWED IT. AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR GOOD AS A COMMUNITY, ONLY WORK TOGETHER FOR OUR GOOD IF WE TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC, IF WE BRING IT OUT, IF EVERYBODY'S HERE. AND SO I'M LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE PROCESS SOLUTIONS. HOW DO WE GET TO THAT CORE PROCESSING SYSTEM WHERE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS AN ACCOUNT BALANCE AND SOMETHING THAT TIES DIRECTLY TO THOSE CHECKING ACCOUNTS AND THOSE EXPENDITURES NOT MANUALLY ENTERED SPREADSHEETS. RIGHT. HOW DO WE GET THERE? I STILL DON'T HAVE THAT SOLUTION. AND I IF STAFF IS FURTHER AHEAD THAN I AM ON THIS, THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT. ACCOUNTABILITY ON I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING, WELL, IT WAS COVID, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, JANUARY OF 2021, THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE. JULY OF 24. I DON'T THINK WE SAY THAT ANYMORE. SO. SO WHO DROPPED THE BALL? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? HOW DO WE HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE AND HOW DO WE PUT THIS OUT IN. HEY, THIS WAS MY MY PART IN THE DEAL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM STAFF. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM THIS AUDIT. YOUR ASSURANCE OF. YES, THIS ACTUALLY LIES IN THIS DEPARTMENT. AND THIS IS THE BEST PRACTICES THAT I'VE SEEN ELSEWHERE. THE COMPTROLLER, THE ACCOUNTABILITY, THE AUTOMATED REPORTS. [01:40:03] I'M INTERESTED IN THIS DUAL AUTHORIZATION. SO THIS IS PROBABLY NOT YOUR YOUR IDEA THAT YOU CAME UP WITH, LIKE, HEY, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IN DUAL AUTHORIZATION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMMONLY DONE ELSEWHERE, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, SO HOW DO YOU THINK AN ORGANIZATION OF OUR SIZE HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM FILING THOSE REPORTS AND HAVING THOSE DUAL AUTHORIZATIONS? DID YOU SEE ANYTHING IN YOUR INVESTIGATION THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHERE YOU GUYS GOT OVERWHELMED, OR HERE'S WHERE YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, OFF THE OFF THE RIGHT ROAD? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. I THINK WHAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS A PROCESS THAT WAS OLD THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THROUGH THE YEARS. AND SO WHEN I SEE DUAL AUTHORIZATIONS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES, I THINK, OKAY, THAT'S THE AREA WHERE THIS NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IS IN THAT TRANSFER AREA BECAUSE THAT THAT FORCES ACCOUNTABILITY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. I MEAN, IT REALLY DOES IF I IF I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF TWO PEOPLE HAVING TO APPROVE IT, THEN QUITE POSSIBLY THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT MANY TYPES OF TRANSFERS. AND SO THAT'S A ALMOST A SELF SELF-HEALING TYPE OF INTERNAL CONTROL THAT I LOVE TO IMPLEMENT EVERYWHERE. SO VERY GOOD. COUNCIL. I'M, I MAY TRY TO DIRECT THE CONVERSATION MORE TO STAFF. AND I HATE TO HAVE MR. DAWSON UP AND DOWN. SO. SO BEFORE WE ALLOW HIM TO SIT DOWN AND MAYBE ASK A QUESTION OR TWO. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. DAWSON? I KNOW THIS DID FALL UNDER YOUR SCOPE, BUT ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE IRS REGULATIONS THAT THAT IMPACT THIS TYPE OF BOND ISSUANCE? YES. SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR AND TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, GLAD THE MONEY IS THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, HOW THE MONEY WAS HANDLED IS KIND OF AND A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. MISCOMMUNICATION HAS GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS HAMPERING US ON THE ABILITY, I THINK, TO TO FIX OUR ROADS. BUT SO IN IN 2016, WE INITIATED, WE ISSUED $89 MILLION AND CHANGE IN DEBT. AS I RECALL, IN 17 AND 18, WE WE WE WE SPENT ABOUT $27 MILLION OF THAT OR IT GOT APPROVED. IT WASN'T ISSUED, BUT IT WAS APPROVED. AND THEN IN 21, WE DID THE 57 MILLION RIGHT THEN AND THEN WHAT DOES SO WHEN WE GOT THE 50 WHAT IS THE IRS REQUIREMENT. THE 85% THING THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT. WHAT IS 85% EXPENDITURE WITHIN THE THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD FROM THAT SERIES ISSUANCE? YES. AND WHY DOES THE IRS REQUIRE THAT TO WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ORIGIN OF THE REGULATIONS. BUT BASICALLY IT IS THIS IS THIS IS BOND MONEY. THIS IS MONEY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU WHAT IT WOULD COST YOU IN THE IN THE PUBLIC MARKET. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, IF YOU'RE JUST HOLDING IT AND NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE AND GET OUR PIECE OF IT. THAT'S A THAT'S KIND OF A GENERAL. SO, SO IF WE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 85%, I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT PERCENTAGE. I THINK WE WERE AT 54%. YEAH. SOME, SOME AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS KIND OF DISCOVERED. AND, AND SO THE ISSUE IS WE HAD NOT RESOLVED. AND WHEN YOU SAY THE IRS IS GOING TO GET WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET, WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TAX CAUSE TAXATION OF THAT BOND BECAUSE IT'S A TAX FREE BOND. RIGHT. CORRECT. SO THE INVESTORS ARE NOT HAVING TO PAY TAXES ON ON THE EARNINGS FROM THE BOND. RIGHT. BUT IF THAT MONEY IS NOT SPENT IN A TIMELY FASHION, THEN THE IRS SAYS THAT THAT COULD BE TAXED. YES. AND HOW DO THEY DO? THEY GO AFTER THE INDIVIDUAL BOND HOLDERS TO PAY THAT TAX, OR WHO HAS TO PAY THAT PENALTY? THOUGH AGAIN, THAT'LL GO INTO DIFFERENT REALMS. AS FAR AS WHO HAS TO PAY THAT PENALTY. BUT I WOULD SAY GENERALLY CITY OF AMARILLO IS GOING TO BE THE PENALTY BEARER. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO WHAT IS THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS. SURE, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THAT TAX. AND WE HAVEN'T MET THE DEADLINE RIGHT NOW. SO THE IRS COULD COME AND SAY, SINCE YOU DID NOT SPEND THAT MONEY, THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE TAX, EITHER THE PEOPLE WHO INVESTED THE MONEY INTO US, INTO THE CITY, AND GOOD FAITH THAT WE WOULD SPEND IT IN A TIMELY FASHION SO THEY COULD EARN THE MONEY OUT OF IT, OR THE TAXPAYERS WOULD THEN HAVE TO PAY THAT MONEY. RIGHT. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SAY THAT AT ANY POINT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT LEGAL COUNSEL IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEALING WITH THEM, DETERMINING WHAT'S THE BEST WAY OUT OF THAT. SO I DON'T AGAIN, I'M COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THAT PROCESS. [01:45:02] RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO SO THAT PUTS THE CITY AT LIABILITY OF NOT ONLY GETTING THE WORK DONE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET DONE, BUT THAT IT COULD COST TAXPAYERS. WE COULD PAY. WE'D HAVE TO PAY THE TAX ON THAT. RIGHT. OR SOMEBODY WOULD. AND I GUESS IF THE INVESTORS FIND IF THE INVESTORS HAVE TO PAY THE TAX, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY LESS LIKELY TO WANT TO INVEST IN US. I MEAN, COULD THAT AFFECT YOUR BOND RATING IF YOU'RE NOT SPENDING THE MONEY IN A TIMELY FASHION? AGAIN, ALL OF THIS COMES INTO THE BIG THE BIG PICTURE OF HOW IT'S SPENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE REGULATIONS. RIGHT. AND SO ALL OF THE RAMIFICATIONS I DON'T WANT TO GO TO JAIL FOR PRACTICING LAW WITHOUT A LICENSE. SURE, SURE. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN AND THEN AND THE REASON WHY ANOTHER TERM I HEARD AT ONE TIME IS CALLED ARBITRAGE. RIGHT. WHICH WHICH I GUESS IS WHAT THE OTHER THING, WHY THEY HAD THESE REGULATIONS. WHAT IS THAT WHAT DOES ARBITRAGE MEAN AND HOW DOES IT CAN IT APPLY IN A CASE OF A BOND LIKE THIS. AGAIN, THAT'LL THAT'LL BE AN AREA I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOUR ATTORNEY. OKAY. BECAUSE I'LL BUTCHER THE EXPLANATION. OKAY. I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND MY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME. I MEAN, YOU WE GOT THE WE GOT THIS MONEY AT A VERY FAVORABLE RATE RIGHT AT THE TIME. THAT RATE HAS GONE UP. AND IN FACT, WE COULD PROBABLY EARN MORE ON THAT MONEY NOW BY JUST KEEPING IT THEN, THEN THEN WE'RE PAYING ON IT SO IT WINDS UP IF YOU IF YOU GET SOMETHING AT A LOW RATE AND THE RATES GO UP AND YOU CAN MAKE ON THAT, YOU COULD WE COULD KEEP GENERATING. AND WE'VE DONE PRETTY WELL ON THIS. THE INTEREST IS I MEAN THE GOOD THING WE HAVEN'T SPENT IT IS GENERATING INTEREST. BUT I GUESS I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE RULES THAT THE IRS HAD IS THIS MONEY IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE YOUR OWN PERSONAL INVESTMENT, WHERE YOU'RE JUST GETTING IT AND YOU'RE USING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE USING BONDHOLDERS MONEY, AND WE'RE LETTING IT BE TAX FREE, AND THEN YOU'RE JUST USING IT TO EARN INTEREST ON AND NOT SPENDING. IT'S NOT A HEDGE FUND, SO TO SPEAK. RIGHT, RIGHT. MY MY OTHER QUESTION IS IF YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T MET THIS DEADLINE AND YOU ISSUE MORE DEBT, WHAT DOES THE IRS SAY? THAT'S OKAY. OR WHAT? WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE NOT MET THE PREVIOUS GOVERNANCE ON THE DEBT THAT YOU'VE ISSUED A BOND ISSUE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND OURSELVES IN. YEAH. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE HAD SAVED $1 MILLION IN OUR BUDGET. WE HAD SCRIMPED AND SAVED BECAUSE WE SAID IF WE HAVE $1 MILLION THAT WE CAN INVEST ANNUALLY INTO ROAD WORK, WE CAN. WE CAN FUND $14 MILLION WORTH OF THAT. AND OUR PLAN WAS TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO DO THAT, TO HAVE A REGULAR AMOUNT OF REVENUE COMING IN THROUGH THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS TO ACCELERATE GETTING THE ROADS REPAIRED. BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S YOU CAN RUN INTO TROUBLE WITH THE IRS IF YOU ISSUE NEW BONDS AND YOU HAVEN'T SPENT THE OLD BOND MONEY IN A TIMELY FASHION. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? NOT NOT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THEIR RAMIFICATIONS ARE, BUT IN GENERAL, THAT'S SOMETHING THE IRS WOULD FROWN UPON. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU BET. NOW, I GUESS I'VE GOT A COMMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT. MR. PAULSON, I'M SORRY YOU'RE STANDING UP HERE FOR ALL THIS. NOT A PROBLEM. EARNING THAT EXTRA LITTLE BIT OF MONEY RIGHT AT 17. SO I BELIEVE THERE'S A WAY TO. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS, THAT THERE IS A WAY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED THIS. CORRECT. I DON'T WANT THAT INFORMATION TO GO OUT THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ONE, IT WAS WRONG. RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE IN TROUBLE. WE DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY IN A TIMELY FASHION, BUT THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH BOND COUNCIL TO REALLOCATE FUNDS THAT WERE SPENT ON PROJECTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR PROP ONE THAT WE DIDN'T USE FOR PROP ONE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE, BUT TO REALLOCATE AND MOVE THAT AND ALMOST MAKE IT RETROACTIVE. SO THERE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BOND COUNCIL, THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT, WHICH IS HELPFUL. BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS UP HERE TO SAY, HEY, BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE, WHICH I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD A MEETING THE STATED THAT THAT THAT ONCE WE GOT THIS AUDIT THAT MIGHT GIVE US THE FREEDOM TO DO THAT AND REALLOCATE THE MONEY. SO I JUST WANTED THAT STATEMENT OUT THERE AS WELL, THAT IT'S NOT THERE IS A WAY TO COME BACK INTO COMPLIANCE AND THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, NOT WITH US, BUT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. WELL, AND WHY I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M I'M DISAPPOINTED FOR THE TAXPAYERS THAT WE'RE USING MONEY THAT THEY WANTED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AND I MEAN, YES, AND WE NEED TO GET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE IRS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T, BUT FOR ME, IT'S JUST THE OTHER RAMIFICATION IS, AGAIN, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE GET ELECTED AND SERVED TO GET THE ROADS PAID TO GET THE SEWER LINES DONE. WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WE'RE BEHIND IN A LOT OF AREAS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS IT'S DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. AND IF AND THE OTHER THING IS IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE WANT TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE'RE A GOOD FIDUCIARY STEWARDS OF WHAT WE ARE HAVING. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN GET BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. [01:50:03] I HATE THAT WE HAVE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE TAKING MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, BUT WE CAN DO IT. THAT THAT'S FINE. AND I'M GLAD WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT WHAT WHAT WHAT I AM THINKING IS HAMPERING. IT IS JUST US GETTING THE ROADS FIXED. BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T ISSUE ANY MORE DEBT UNTIL WE GET THIS RESOLVED, WE COULD GO ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO YEARS. AND WHEREAS WE HAD PLANNED ON FUNDING 14 MILLION THIS YEAR, WHICH WE CAN'T DO, I DOUBT WE'LL BE ABLE. AND WE WERE GOING TO SAVE ANOTHER MILLION NEXT YEAR. THAT'S $28 MILLION OF ROAD WORK THAT WE CAN'T THAT WE WERE PREPARED TO PAY FOR, THAT WE HAD WORKED HARD TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET THAT MONEY. AND THEN YOU PUT THAT TO THE 30 MILLION THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT. I MEAN, THAT'S $60 MILLION WORTH OF ROAD WORK THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO GET DONE BECAUSE WE HAD MISCOMMUNICATION. AND WHILE MISCOMMUNICATION MIGHT SOUND LIKE A MINOR THING AND WE NEED IT, BUT IN THE END WE SEE MISCOMMUNICATION CAN COST US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND EVERYTHING. UNLESS DONNY CAN TELL ME DIFFERENTLY, EVERYTHING IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE, NOT CHEAPER. SO IF WE'D DONE SOME OF THIS WORK 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING THE MONEY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET LESS DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PRICES HAVE GONE UP. SO I THINK IT'S BEEN A GOOD AS THE MAYOR SAYS, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD EXERCISE TO REALLY AND AGAIN, WE WE CAME INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, FIVE NEWBIES AND ONE SEMI VETERAN NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING COMING UP IN THE BUDGET SESSION THAT SAID, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE THIS ISSUE. AND WE WERE ALL EXCITED BECAUSE PEOPLE ELECTED US TO GET THEIR ROADS DONE. AND THEN IN MARCH, WE RUN INTO THIS ROADBLOCK OF SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, WE CAN'T FIX THE ROADS AT THE RATE THAT WE WANTED TO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO US. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT, NOT ONLY TO FIX THIS PROBLEM, BUT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE PROCESSES THAT YOU'VE RECOMMENDED INTO PLACE SO THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION AND SOMEBODY IS MONITORING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE SO THAT WE DON'T WIND UP ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR CITIZENS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE ROADS FIXED AS QUICKLY AS WE SHOULD. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE REVEALED TO US WILL HELP US BE ABLE TO GET BACK ON THAT ON TRACK, AND HOPEFULLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. GOOD. YEAH. GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION. THE 20.8 MILLION WHEN YOU WERE WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE AUDIT. THIS 20.8. IS IT GOING TOWARDS PROP ONE PROJECTS. YES. OKAY. SO STAFF DO WE HAVE A LIST OF THIS 20.8 GOING TOWARDS PROP ONE PROJECTS SOMEWHERE? YEAH WE CAN GET. SO AS WE PROGRESS IN THE DISCUSSION PAST STEVE WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE. BUT YES, WE HAVE A LIST OF PROP ONE PROJECTS. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE FIRST PROJECTS THAT WE CAN AWARD TO FUND WITH THE FIRST FUNDING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT GETTING THE FUNDING TO THE ROADS. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY IS THE A PROJECT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 14 MILLION AND THE CURRENT PROJECT, CURRENT BUDGET, BUT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE FUNDED WITH THE PROP ONE. AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THAT PROP ONE OF 34TH OR OR BELL STREET, WHICHEVER ONE WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR, TO PUT THAT FUNDING INTO THAT ROAD. DOES THAT HELP YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE CAN GET YOU THE LIST OF THE PROP ONE, AND WE CAN GET YOU THE LIST OF THE FUNDING FOR THE CURRENT DEBT ISSUANCE. BUT WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU. OKAY. WELL, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE 20.8 THAT SAYS IT'S ALLOCATED TO BUDGET. YEAH. ARE THOSE GOING TOWARDS PROP ONE PROJECTS OR ARE THOSE GOING TO GO TOWARDS IF MY UNDERSTANDING KYLE THAT IS IN GEORGIA STREET ISN'T IT NOT. YES. THAT IS ALLOCATED. THERE'S FUNDING OF APPROXIMATELY THAT AMOUNT. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT THERE'S APPROXIMATELY THAT AMOUNT FUNDED IN GEORGIA STREET. OKAY. I GOT COUNCILMAN IF IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU GUYS CORRECT ME BECAUSE WE WERE ALL IN THAT MEETING WHEN WE HAD THE BOND MAN THERE. I HE TOLD US WE COULD GET INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT I REMEMBER ASKING A QUESTION. IS IT LEGAL? AND DID WE EVER GET A FIRM ANSWER THAT BY DOING IT, IT WAS LEGAL OR THE LETTER? ME, I THINK I REMEMBER SAYING, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE JOSTLING AROUND MONEY JUST TO TRY TO GET COMPLIANCE. SO I'VE PROVIDED YOU THE LETTER FROM THE BOND COUNSEL ABOUT THAT TOPIC. OKAY. SO ARE WE STILL I MEAN, WE'RE WE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE TODAY WITH THE SECOND IRS RULE. IF YOU DON'T MEET THE FIRST ONE, THERE'S ANOTHER RULE THAT APPLIES THAT GIVES US OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THAT IS CONTINUE THIS PROCESS TO PUT THESE FUNDS [01:55:04] INTO THOSE PROJECTS AND FUND THOSE AND MOVE THOSE FORWARD. OKAY. IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHAT WE GOT ON OUR AGENDA TODAY TO ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. YES. TO PAY FOR SOME ROADS. YES. THIS WAS THE ONE ON THE AGENDA. TODAY WAS A PROJECT PROPOSED IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, 14 MILLION DEBT. BUT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNED AND READY TO GO. BUT CAN WE SPEND THAT THIS YEAR? WELL, THAT NOW THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO PLAY INTO OUR NEXT YEAR. SO SOME OF THAT. SO THE PLAN GOING FORWARD WOULD BE TO EXPEDITE THE THE GEORGIA STREET, THE NORTHEAST 24TH OVERPASS DESIGN, WHICH IS FUNDED WITH THIS THIS SUMMER MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THIS YEAR ENHANCED THE SUMMER MAINTENANCE NEXT YEAR AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CULTURE STREET DESIGN AND THEN ALSO INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE. ALSO COMBINE THAT WITH THE PROJECT THAT DONNIE'S TALKING ABOUT IS SPENDING FUNDING TO GET US TO THE 85% RULE, WHERE WE CAN ISSUE THE DEBT FOR THE CURRENT BUDGET, AND THAT WOULD BE DONE AS TIMELY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS SUMMER. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CARRYING OVER INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? YES. LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER COUNCILMAN SIMPSON SAID, WE'RE BASICALLY LOSING FOR 20, $28 MILLION. SO YES, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO ISSUE THE DEBT PLAN THAT YOU ALL HAVE LAID OUT BECAUSE OF THIS. BUT HERE THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP IS GETTING THE AUDIT AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO START AWARDING. THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO WHERE WE CAN ISSUE THAT DEBT IS TO AWARD PROJECTS. OKAY. AND SPEND PROP ONE FIRST, SO CAN I. DOES THAT HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION? YEAH. AND FLOYD, IF YOU WOULD WALK ME THROUGH THIS SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK A STEP. OKAY. LET'S UPDATE OUR PUBLIC THAT IS HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE WE'RE USING SOME WORDS GROSS INCOMPETENCE OR GROSS NEGLIGENCE LEGAL CRIMINAL. THESE ARE WORDS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CASUALLY FLOAT OUT INTO THE ETHER HERE AND NOT DEFINE WHERE WE'RE AT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MONIES THAT NEED TO BE SPENT DOWN. SO 40 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'VE GOT TO EXPENSE OUT WHETHER IT'S ALLOCATED OR NOT. YOU HAD BROUGHT BOND COUNSEL AND A LEGAL COUNSEL TO TELL US, OKAY, YOU'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. BUT HERE IS THE PATH BACK TO COMPLIANCE. SO YOU NEED TO SPEND THESE MONIES. NOW, CAN WE GO BACKWARD AND GRAB MONIES THAT WE ALREADY SPENT BUT PAID FOR IT OUT OF ANOTHER PROJECT, ANOTHER FUND, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT LOOKS LIKE DRAINAGE. LET'S SAY WE SPENT MONEY ON DRAINAGE, BUT IT QUALIFIED FOR PROP ONE. SO ARE WE GOING TO UNFUND? AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT ACCOUNTING TERM. WE'RE GOING TO UNFUND THE PROJECT FUND THE PROJECT THROUGH PROP ONE, USE THOSE UNFUNDED MONIES, SET THEM OVER IN CASH, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GO AND PAY FOR THE ACTUAL PROP ONE PROJECT, WE NOW HAVE THAT CASH TO PAY FOR THAT. SO THAT WAS THE THAT'S THE THAT WAS THE FIX. COUNCIL SAID NO IN THAT MEETING. NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. A COUPLE REASONS. ONE, NOT SURE THAT IT'S LEGAL. ONE TO GET OUTSIDE LEGAL ADVICE. WE DID IT IS LEGAL. YEAH. AS FAR AS WE KNOW TWO, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CONFIRMATION THAT WE HAVE NOW WITH STEVE DAWSON. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GRAVE MISTAKE TO HAVE MOVED MONIES AROUND AGAIN IF YOU COULDN'T CONFIRM THAT THE MONEY WAS THERE. SO NOW THAT WE KNOW, HEY, THE MONEY'S THERE. WE HAVE THE MONEY. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT WASHING OVER A MISTAKE COVERING IT UP, WHATEVER. WHATEVER YOU WOULD SAY. COUNCIL DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. SO AT THAT POINT NOW NOW WE HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL TELLING STAFF, YES, YOU ARE ABLE TO GO AND GRAB THESE OLD EXPENDITURES AND PULL THEM IN. YOU CAN UNFUND PUT IT INTO CASH AND SPEND IT SO THAT THE MONEY ACTUALLY BALANCES OUT EVENTUALLY. BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A CLEAN AUDIT. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT PROCEDURALLY VERY UNCLEAN NOT AS HYGIENIC AS WE WOULD HOPE, BUT CRIMINALLY CLEAN. SO. SO HERE I SAY AGAIN, LIKE THE MONEY NEVER LEFT THE ORGANIZATION. SO AT THAT POINT, I THINK COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY. NOW, I WOULD SAY STAFF HAS ALREADY DONE SOME OF THIS WORK BASED ON LEGAL ADVISEMENT, NOT NOT AT THE ADVISEMENT OF COUNSEL, COUNSEL, AND NEVER GAVE A DIRECTIVE TO STAFF TO GO AND, AND PULL MONIES THAT WERE EXPENSED PREVIOUSLY INTO A PROP ONE ACCOUNT. THEY HAVE DONE THAT. AND THAT'S WITH THE EFFORT TO GET US TO THE POINT TO WHERE NOW, WHEN YOU ISSUE THE $8 MILLION STREETS, SUMMER STREETS PROGRAM AND YOU START SPENDING THAT DOWN NOW WHEN YOU CAN EXPENSE SOME OF THE GEORGIA STREET FUNDS. [02:00:01] NOW, WHEN WE GET OUR $5 MILLION WORTH OF MAJOR AND MINOR REPAIR WORK OUT, WE ARE NOW GETTING OURSELVES CLOSER TO THE PLACE WHERE COUNCIL SET US UP. AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR US SAY COUNCIL SET YOU UP VERY WELL IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET BY TAKING $1 MILLION OUT OF OUR EXISTING MEANS, WE TOOK IT OUT OF OUR EXISTING HOUSEHOLD BUDGET AND WE USED IT TO BORROW $13 MILLION, GIVING US A $14 MILLION SOLUTION. THE BIG RUB HERE IS, IS WE CAN'T SPEND IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TWO YEARS BEHIND WHERE WHERE WE WE TRIED TO TO START THIS. AND SO MOVING FORWARD IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE THAT PLAN. THAT PLAN IS STILL VIABLE. YES, SIR. SO THE GOOD NEWS ON THAT IS THAT THE DESIGN COST OF THAT IS AN EXPENSE QUALIFIED UNDER PROP ONE. AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AS TIMELY AS WE CAN. SO IT WON'T REQUIRE THE DESIGN TIME AFTER. AFTER WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND AWARD THOSE IMMEDIATELY. SO TIMING WISE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO FACILITATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER TIMING RELATED TO THAT DESIGN AND BID AND AWARD. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT IS IT IS A CHALLENGE THAT THAT STAFF PUT INTO THIS COUNCIL'S LAP ON THIS TIMING ISSUE RELATED TO THIS ISSUE. AND SO THIS 14 MILLION AND WE ARE STANDING HERE TODAY ACKNOWLEDGING WITH WITH THE AUDIT THAT WE HAVE WORK TO DO TO MAKE THAT WORK FOR Y'ALL'S BENEFIT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT TODAY IS WHERE CAN WE MOVE FORWARD IN AWARD OF EVERY PROJECT THAT WE CAN THAT QUALIFIES UNDER PROP ONE. ALSO, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROP ONE PROJECTS UP TO THE THE INFLATIONARY COMPONENT WILL BE DONE. AWESOME. YEAH, GO RIGHT AHEAD. COUNCILMAN FLOYD, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE, WE CAN USE THAT MILLION TO BORROW AGAINST OR NOT? NOT IN THIS, NOT BY NOT BY, SAY OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER 30TH. NOT THIS YEAR. WE ARE WE ARE TARGETING IT WILL TAKE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THROUGH IN THE SPRING AND IN THE NEXT SUMMER TO GET US TO THE POINT TO ISSUE THAT 14 MILLION. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE CURRENT BUDGET, WE'RE BEST SAYING CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. I'M SAYING THAT FISCAL YEAR COMING, THERE'S STILL NO WAY FOR THIS IN FISCAL YEAR 2425. IF IF WE PERFORM OUTSTANDING, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN ISSUE THAT 14 MILLION IN THAT TIME PERIOD. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUT IT WOULD BE A MILLION HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THERE AND NOT UTILIZING. CORRECT. SAY, SAY THAT AGAIN. WE'D HAVE TO HOLD BACK THAT MILLION TO USE TO BORROW AGAINST. YES, IN HOPES THAT WE WOULD GET THERE SO IT COULD BE A COMPLETE OFF OR NOT. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO PLACE A LOT OF TRUST IN US BEING ABLE TO PERFORM WHEN WE HAD THIS CHALLENGE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT CHALLENGE COMING OUT OF A HUGE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD THE MONEY, WE DIDN'T DO IT. NOW WE HAVE THE MONEY AND WHEN WE'RE SAYING WE GOT TO DO IT, BUT BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SPRING AND WINTER AND FALL AND WINTER, WE CAN DESIGN A QUALIFYING PROJECT OF A MAGNITUDE THAT IS GOING TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE A YEAR FROM NOW INTO THE AUGUST AND THE END OF PAVING SEASON, A YEAR, THAT'S OUR BEST SHOT AT MEETING THAT GOAL. THAT IS THE BEST SHOT OF WE HAVE A MEETING, THAT GOAL, WHICH WOULD MEAN A LOT A YEAR FROM RIGHT NOW GOING INTO THAT END OF PAVING. AND THAT'S OUR BEST SHOT TO MEET THAT GOAL. IT'S NOT GOING TO OCCUR BEFORE THAT TIME FRAME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THAT'S IF FUTURE COUNCIL AGREES TO IT BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR IDEA. YES. AND THIS WILL BE COULD BE A WHOLE NEW COUNCIL. THIS ELECTION IN MAY. ALL OF THAT'S A DISCUSSION IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET NEXT WEEK. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PLACED IN THAT BUDGET UPCOMING, IF WE CHOOSE TO DO IT INSTEAD OF ISSUING 14 MILLION AT THAT POINT, WE MIGHT BE IF WE CAN PERFORM AND SPEND MONEY AT THAT POINT, WE HIT THAT IRS MARK. WE COULD ISSUE 28 MILLION AND GET BACK ON TRACK, BECAUSE WE COULD DO DESIGN IN ADVANCE OF THAT, KNOWING THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE STILL HAVE THE OTHER MILLION FROM THIS CURRENT YEAR THAT WE CAN STILL BORROW AGAINST, JUST DOUBLE IF WE HAD THE CAPACITY TO DO THE PROJECTS. YES. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S A HUGE CHALLENGE. AND WE RECOGNIZE THE CHALLENGE THAT COUNCIL'S IN. AND WE'RE STANDING HERE TODAY AS STAFF. HOW DO WE HELP YOU AND HOW THE STAFF BRING FORWARD SOLUTIONS TO GET YOU TO THE POINT YOU NEED TO BE AND THE CITIZENS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE ON ROADS. SO MY COUNCIL MAY NOT BE AT THIS POINT IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT I WOULD TRY TO MOVE US FORWARD. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, BUT THEN I'M REALLY ASKING A QUESTION OF MY BOSSES, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BUSINESS OWNERS. SMALL BUSINESS THRIVES HERE. NOBODY'S EVER MADE A MISTAKE LIKE THIS AND KEPT THEIR JOB. LIKE, BOTTOM LINE, I DON'T GET THE LUXURY OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND YOU HIRING ME FOR YOUR NEXT PROJECT. YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT. YOU PROBABLY WON'T LET ME COMPLETE THE PROJECT THAT I HAVE. [02:05:02] I LIVE IN A ZERO TOLERANCE WORLD. AND IT'S IT'S NOT PERSONAL. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ONE RELATIONSHIP OR ANOTHER. IT HAS TO DO WITH BUSINESS AND RUNNING THE CITY LIKE A BUSINESS. SO IF I WERE TO ASK. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO LIVE. IF I WERE TO ASK FOR SOME GRACE FROM OUR PUBLIC. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY. AND I'M ASKING FOR A COMMITMENT FROM THIS STAFF THAT SAYS MR. PATH. WHEN YOU GET ON BOARD, YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. AND FROM CPD TO FINANCE TO ACMS LIKE WE ARE ALL ON A ZERO, A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS THE POLICY THAT I LIVE IN. AND I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME FROM YOU GUYS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNCIL IS AT THIS POINT AND I KNOW THAT THIS CONVERSATION CAN CAN HANG A TURN. I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT IN THAT HERE. NOW, I THINK THE BENEFIT IS IN HOW DO WE GET OURSELVES BACK TO A POSITION TO DOING THE WORK FOR OUR CITIZENS? AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO TRY AND EARN SOME TRUST BACK WITHOUT ASKING FOR IT. SO WE WANTED TO GO EARN YOUR TRUST, NOT ASK YOU TO TRUST US, AND THEN HOPE FOR GOOD NEWS LATER. WE'RE BEING VERY, VERY OPEN. WE'RE BEING VERY CANDID. WE'RE WE'RE CALLING THINGS WHAT THEY ARE. THE PIECE OF THIS THAT I DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A COMMITMENT FROM STAFF. OKAY, SO MAYBE I CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THAT'S MY JOB TODAY. I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU AS INTERIM YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER. THAT'S MY JOB TODAY IS TO PROVIDE WHAT YOU JUST ASKED FOR. THAT COMES IN THE FORM OF CLEAR EXPECTATIONS. THAT WASN'T THE CASE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE KNOW THAT. BUT WHAT WE STAND HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A TEAM IS A COMMITMENT THAT CLEAR EXPECTATIONS, WE WILL PROVIDE THOSE FOR YOU. AND IF THAT'S NOT PROVIDED, WHETHER I'M YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, I GO BACK TO YOUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THAT'S ON ME TODAY BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'RE GOING TO BRING FORWARD CLEAR EXPECTATIONS FOR YOU AND THE COUNCIL, AND WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE YOU. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT THROUGH REGULAR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS. THAT'S NOT MY IDEA. THAT WAS HER IDEA. REGULAR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS IS WHAT'S GOING TO GET US IN THAT COMMUNICATION COMPONENT. THAT GETS US TO WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE CLEAR EXPECTATIONS BACK TO YOU. THIS IS ESSENTIAL FOR US TO DO THIS IN AN ATMOSPHERE OF TRANSPARENCY TO YOU, SO THAT YOU HAVE TRANSPARENCY. TRANSPARENCY TO THOSE CITIZENS YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU THAT TRANSPARENCY SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY. RICH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S AT IN THE ROOM, BUT HE'S HE'S ON THAT. AND RICH IS GOING TO HELP US ON THAT TEAM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT. BUT HE'S GOT A DASHBOARD BUILT AND HE'S GOING TO HELP US DO THAT. OKAY. THIS GENTLEMAN WITH THE AUDIT MENTIONED THERE'S A TRAINING COMPONENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR STAFF THAT HAS TO OCCUR TO PREVENT WHERE WE WERE. AND THAT IS A COMPONENT OF WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED. BUT THAT TRAINING COMPONENT COMES WITH THAT SOFTWARE. BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT SOFTWARE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT GETS US FROM NOW TILL JANUARY. I RESPECT THAT HE HE'S NOT GOING TO ANSWER UNTIL JANUARY, BUT I HAVE TO ANSWER NOW TILL JANUARY. AS YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND THE THE ASSISTANT ROLE THAT I PLAY BACK, THIS THIS GENTLEMAN WILL MONITOR ME FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. I PROMISE YOU. HE WILL HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. SO ARE THERE CONSEQUENCES? YOU BETTER BELIEVE THERE ARE. AND I'M THE LEAD OF THAT TODAY. THE CONSEQUENCES GO THROUGH ME TODAY BECAUSE OF MY TITLE AND MY COMMITMENT TO YOU TO LEAD THIS ORGANIZATION TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT TODAY. I'M FULLY COMMITTED TO YOU, THE CITIZENS AND THAT. BUT IF THERE'S CONSEQUENCES, THEY COME THROUGH ME TODAY, NEXT MONDAY, THEY GO THROUGH THAT GENTLEMAN. OKAY. AND SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONSEQUENCES, I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE THAT WITH YOU. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT FOR OUR CITIZENS CONFIDENCE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. BOTTOM LINE IS I'M HERE TODAY TO LEAD THAT BY EXAMPLE FOR THE TEAM, BECAUSE THAT'S MY ROLE TODAY, NEXT WEEK. THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE COMPLETE ROLE I'M IN, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING TODAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO. BUT IT ALL COMES WITH ENHANCED COMMUNICATIONS. AND THAT'S TODAY. WHAT I'M DOING IN THIS MICROPHONE TO YOU TODAY IS COMMUNICATING SOMETHING I THINK THAT GETS US DOWN THAT PATH. AND THE ABILITY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AND THAT ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT PAST. BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US ONGOING. AND I DON'T THINK IT SOLVES TODAY AT THIS PODIUM. [02:10:03] I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING IN THIS MICROPHONE TODAY THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. BUT I CAN SAY SOMETHING IN THIS MICROPHONE TODAY THAT CHANGES WHERE WE ARE IN JANUARY AND WHERE WE GO FROM JANUARY TO NEXT YEAR AND GET TO THOSE POINTS. THAT HELPS THE CITIZENS. AND THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU. ALL OF THAT SAID, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE TO BE EVALUATED AND MONITORED AS WE STEP FORWARD. I'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT PLAN TO THIS GENTLEMAN NEXT WEEK, AND I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THIS TEAM AS PARTNERS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT YOU HEARD HIM SAY, WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST MONITORS AND EVALUATORS THAT WE HAVE GOING, AND THAT'S YOU, NEIL GERBER, WHO DID THIS GOOD WORK TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT ON THE MONEY AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB GETTING IT IN THE ROADS, BUT THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT GOING FORWARD. CAN I CLARIFY FROM THERE FOR YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE THE ONE ANSWER THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY. OKAY, BUT THE ONE I THINK THAT REALLY GIVES US A LOT OF HEARTBURN OR A LOT OF RUB INTO WHAT MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT. I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOTTEN AN ANSWER FROM THE FINANCE SIDE, BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE FROM THIS SIDE. WHY AND HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? I JUST AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY. OKAY. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S THE ONE THING INSIDE ME. AND I GET THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS IN PLACE WHERE THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. CLEAR EXPECTATIONS, AND I GET THAT AND THAT'S GREAT. BUT TO MAYOR'S POINT, HOW AND WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? IT JUST IT'S MIND BOGGLING TO ME THAT WE HAVE MONEY FOR PROJECTS THAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND WE JUST DIDN'T DO IT. AND I'M SORRY, BUT YOU KNEW THE MONEY WAS THERE, OKAY. AND YOU JUST DIDN'T DO IT. I IT JUST IT LEAVES ME SCRATCHING MY HEAD. THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. IT JUST MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME AND NO ONE. THE BIGGEST PATH MOVING FORWARD IS OWNING YOUR STUFF. YES, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT YET. ON THIS SIDE OF, LIKE, I OWN IT. THAT'S GREAT. BUT HOW DID IT HAPPEN? OKAY, I NEED TO HEAR THAT. AND I WOULD GUESS THAT ALL OF US NEED TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE MAIER SAID, WE ALL RUN BUSINESSES AND IT'S LIKE, AND I'M SORRY, IT'S OKAY. AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, I'M GOING TO DO BETTER NEXT TIME, BUT I NEED TO KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I JUST HAVE NOT HEARD HOW, YES, LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND I GET THAT. BUT WHEN YOU GOT MONEY AND YOU DON'T SPEND IT FOR PROJECTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, IS THAT FAIR? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. I WOULD ALSO LET YOU KNOW I'M ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY PART IN IT. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. AND WE'VE HAD A TALK I MEAN YOU KNOW I'VE TALKED AND YES, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ELSE FROM ENGINEERING. HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED. OKAY. I DID YOU KNOW THE MONEY WAS THERE. THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU USE IT? THAT'S. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT. AND I WOULD GUESS ALL OF US WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT. AND PROBABLY NOT JUST ME. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON IT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE KNOWING WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW I THANK YOU WHAT SO AND I'M SO THE FIRST THAT I THINK WE BECAME AWARE OF IT I THINK WAS THE MARCH 26TH MEETING. YES, SIR. AND THAT WAS THE MEETING THAT WE HAD THAT WE WERE GOING TO ISSUE THE DEBT AT THAT MEETING. YES. CORRECT. YES. AND THEN THAT AND THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT. WAIT A MINUTE. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T ISSUE THAT DEBT. IT WAS THE ATTORNEY'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NOT ISSUE THE DEBT AT THAT MEETING. YES. SO WHEN WHEN DID WE FIND OUT ABOUT THAT? AND HOW DID WE FIND OUT THAT WE WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE? I MEAN, HOW DID WE BECOME AWARE OF THAT? WELL, IT WAS A STEP AT A TIME. COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN, FULL AWARENESS, YOU KNOW, ON A SITUATION LIKE THIS, IT BECAME A SITUATION WHERE AWARENESS GREW OVER TIME. OKAY. SO I KNOW THAT ANDREW FREEMAN HAD DONE A LOT OF WORK THROUGH LAST FALL WORKING ON IDENTIFYING THIS. AND I KNOW THAT LAURA HAD HELPED US UNDERSTAND IT, BUT GETTING TO THE POINT OF ISSUING THE DEBT WAS WHERE WE ALL CAME TOGETHER AND UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAD THIS PROBLEM. WHEN WE TALKED TO THE BOND COUNSEL THAT PREVENTED US FROM ISSUING THE DEBT. SO FULL AWARENESS CAME RIGHT UP INTO PREPARING THE AGENDA AND GETTING THAT MEETING. FULLY AWARE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS AND WHERE WE WERE AT, TOTALLY AS A TEAM, WE WERE ALL. THAT'S WHEN WE ALL BECAME AWARE OF IT AS A TEAM TOGETHER, MAKING DECISIONS. AND SO WAS IT THE BOND COUNSEL THAT BROUGHT IT UP? WHEN WE DESCRIBED THE SITUATION, BOND COUNSEL COUNCIL ADVISED US AT THAT TIME NOT TO ISSUE THE DEBT BECAUSE WE HAD NOT MET THE DEADLINE, BECAUSE WE YEAH, WE REPORTED THE STATUS OF THE PREVIOUS BONDS. YES. OKAY. YES. YES, SIR. DOES THAT HELP? YEAH. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO I'M JUST WONDERING THE LAYERS OF LIKE WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING SURE THAT WE STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE IRS. YEAH. AND I THINK FOR COUNCIL, IT JUST MAKES SURE. [02:15:02] ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE PROCESSES IN PLACE TO I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT ONE THING. YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THING IS WE FOUND, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY'S THERE, BUT THE PROCESS IS SEEN TO BE LACKING THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON. I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, AND ULTIMATELY WHO'S WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING, YOU KNOW, THOSE FINANCIAL PROCESSES OR WHO'S WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR SAYING, I KNOW THE IRS REGULATIONS AND RED FLAG. WE CAN'T ISSUE THE DEBT. AND WE NEED TO TELL COUNCIL AND GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET AND CIP AND IN AUGUST THAT THEY CAN'T ISSUE THE DEBT, NOT THE DAY OF TRYING TO ISSUE THE DEBT. YES, SIR. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS AUDIT REPORT IS JUST AS HELPFUL TO ME AS A STAFF MEMBER, AND I APPRECIATE STEVE'S WORK HELPING HIS RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THAT HELPS US GET A BIGGER, COMPREHENSIVE VIEW INSTEAD OF THIS NARROW VIEW OF IT. WAS THIS FORM ON THIS DATE THAT DID THAT INSTEAD OF DOWN IN THE WEEDS. IT'S A GLOBAL LOOK, AND I APPRECIATE STEVE'S VIEW GLOBALLY. HE BACKS UP GLOBALLY AND HELPS US LOOK AT IT FROM THAT. AND THAT'S HELPED ME. AND I THINK IT'S HELPED STAFF LOOK BACK AND SAY THERE'S MORE THAN JUST ONE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED AND ONE PROCESS INVOLVED HERE. AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THOSE CHANGES IN SOFTWARE TO MAKE THAT WORK APPROPRIATELY? AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP US DEFINE THE PURCHASE OF THAT SOFTWARE. AND IT'S GOING TO HELP US WRITE THAT SCOPE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE BUY A PRODUCT. AND THAT PRODUCT DOES EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IT TO DO IN THIS SCENARIO. SO I THINK I THINK IT STRETCHED US TO TO SEE THIS REPORT AND THEN GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, ESPECIALLY SITTING IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE UNKNOWN, WITH AN AUDITOR, A SPECIAL AUDIT, NOT KNOWING THE OUTCOME AND HAVING TO SIT AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS AND WHERE WE WERE AT. AND THAT HELPED WHEN HE GOT THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER INTO A REPORT FOR US. YEAH. AND JUST TO KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THE IRS REGULATIONS. I MEAN, YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THE I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER BACK IN YOUR ROLE. I MEAN, WE WANT YOU TO BUILD STREETS AND FIX SEWER LINES, NOT NOT STUDY UP ON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TOOK ANY CLASSES ABOUT THE IRS, SO BUT BUT JUST MAKING SURE WHAT IS THAT ACCOUNTABILITY. AND ULTIMATELY WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE SAYING I'M I'M FOCUSING ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR THING BECAUSE WE COULD FACE SOME SEVERE PROBLEMS. BUT MY HISTORY AS A PROJECT MANAGER, I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT AS WELL. I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS A PROJECT MANAGER TO KNOW MY FUNDING SOURCE. I NEED TO WORK WITH THE ACCOUNTANTS AND I NEED TO WORK WITH THE ATTORNEYS. IT'S NOT LIKE I RUN OUT AND DO CONTRACTS WITHOUT CONSULTING THE ATTORNEY. THIS IS A PROJECT MANAGER DOES HAVE A COMPONENT OF ALL THE PARTS AND PIECES OF A PROJECT. OKAY. YES. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OF OUR AUDITOR. WE CHECKED ONE LITTLE PART OF THE CITY BUSINESS HERE. DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CHECK FURTHER INTO OTHER AREAS, OR DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY? I REALLY COULDN'T SPEAK TO OTHER AREAS JUST BECAUSE THIS WAS SINGULARLY FOCUSED. I DIDN'T KIND OF A SIDE ANSWER TO THAT. IF THERE WERE PREDICATION OR PROBABLE CAUSE SHOWING UP IN THIS PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION OR THIS ANALYSIS THAT REACHED INTO ANOTHER AREA, I WOULD SIT HERE AND TELL YOU, YEAH, WE NEED TO DO THAT. WE DIDN'T SEE THAT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT THERE. BUT WE BEING SINGULARLY FOCUSED ON THE 2016 BOND FUNDS WE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T SEE INDICATIONS. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION IS. LET'S SAY WE'RE WE'RE GOOD THIS YEAR. BUT LET'S SAY I WANT TO LOOK AT ANOTHER DEPARTMENT NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT IT. PRUDENCE ALWAYS HOLDS DEPARTMENTS ACCOUNTABLE. SO WOULD I RECOMMEND IT? I LIKE TO SEE EVERYTHING LOOKED AT. OVER TIME. YEAH. I MEAN, TO ME, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MAYBE TAKE A DEPARTMENT EVERY YEAR AND DO A FORENSIC AUDIT. YEAH. AND IN WHATEVER FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS, YOU WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING. YEAH. AND WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH. AND WE DO SEE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION. JUST YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A VIEWPOINT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE CITY HAS INTERNAL AUDITORS, WHICH YOU'VE WORKED WITH. WE ALSO HAVE EXTERNAL AUDITORS. IN FACT, WE'VE GOT ON THE THE AGENDA TODAY TO RENEW A CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE. WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL ADVICE ON EXTERNAL AUDITORS AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, SHOULD YOU CHANGE THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS? [02:20:03] WHAT SHOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY ADVICE, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE HAD THE SAME COMPANY DOING OURS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND NOT THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. BUT IS THERE IS THERE A GENERAL PRINCIPLE THAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW ON EXTERNAL AUDITORS OR ADVICE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US AS, AS SOME BEST PRACTICES WHEN IT COMES TO WHO YOU'RE GETTING TO EXTERNAL AUDIT AND HOW THAT WORKS. THIS ANSWER MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SOME MIGHT ANSWER, BUT IF YOUR EXTERNAL AUDIT FIRM NUMBER ONE, YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH THEIR COMPETENCY. TO ME, YOU STAY WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, I COME AND UNDERSTAND WHERE I COME FROM WITH THAT ANSWER. I COME FROM THREE DECADES OF HAVING PERFORMED FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDITS. AND WHEN SARBANES-OXLEY BACK IN 2000 ALL OF THAT STARTED, IT WAS AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THIS ROTATION OF AUDITORS WAS MANDATED BY PCAOB FOR PUBLICLY HELD COMPANIES, AND I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT. AND I STILL DON'T, BECAUSE I THINK, NUMBER ONE, YOU GET AN EXTERNAL AUDIT FIRM THAT UNDERSTANDS CITY GOVERNMENT, CITY ACCOUNTING, CITY REPORTING GASB 34, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS TO BE DONE. YOU DON'T JUST KICK THEM TO THE SIDE AND PICK UP SOMEBODY ELSE JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PICK UP SOMEBODY ELSE JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE MANDATED TO DO SO. IF THERE ARE ISSUES, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT A PARTICULAR AUDIT FIRM IN YOUR HISTORY, AS YOU GO THROUGH DIFFERENT AUDITS, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPTION. BUT I WOULD SUPPORT AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOUR AUDITORS ARE. I WOULD SUPPORT STAYING WITH THE FIRM AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, FINE. THEY CAN ROTATE PARTNERS. THEY CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO HAVE, QUOTE, WHATEVER THAT FRESH SET OF EYES MIGHT BE WITHOUT LOSING THE FIRM HISTORY. WITH WITH THE CITY OF AMARILLO. SO THE LONG, SHORT ANSWER IS I WOULDN'T ROTATE JUST TO ROTATE. WHY WOULD YOU ROTATE? ONLY IF THERE'S DISSATISFACTION OR I MEAN, YES. OKAY. DISSATISFACTION. YOU GET INDICATIONS OF INCOMPETENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL? I HAVE ONE, ONE, ONE REQUEST THAT I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO MR. DAWSON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HERE'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR. MR. INTERIM CITY MANAGER, BEFORE YOU HAND THE REINS OVER TO OUR NEW CITY MANAGER, I FIND IT GREATLY HELPFUL IN A, IN A HARD CONVERSATION LIKE THIS TO HAVE VERY CLEAR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THE STANDARD WILL BE MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THAT IF WE DO LESS THAN THIS WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP WITH OUR PUBLIC TO DEBIT MAYBE THE ACCOUNT. ON COUNCIL THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL LIKE WE ARE NOT TRULY VESTED OR MAYBE MAN ENOUGH TO DO THIS JOB. SO HERE'S WHERE I WOULD BE OKAY. COUNCIL. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE WILLING TO, I WOULD ASK FOR A COMMITMENT FROM YOU GUYS THAT WE WILL HOLD STAFF ACCOUNTABLE MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. SO NOBODY IS TRYING TO POINT THE FINGER AT ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL. BUT WE ARE NAMING THE DEPARTMENTS CP, D AND E FINANCE OUR ACMS. ANY OTHER DIRECTOR LEVEL, HIGH LEVEL INDIVIDUAL. I'D LIKE TO SEE A ZERO TOLERANCE, A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY MOVING FORWARD. AND I WOULD ASK STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THAT MEANS ON YOUR BEHALF IS YOU WOULD WILLINGLY OFFER YOUR RESIGNATION SO YOU DON'T DO YOUR JOB. YOU DON'T FORCE US TO PICK ANYONE OUT. YOU DON'T FORCE GRAYSON TO SHOW UP AND HAVE TO BE THE GUY WITH THE AX IN HIS HAND. YOU UNDERSTAND? IF YOU CAN'T BE A BETTER TEAMMATE THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, YOU NEED TO MOVE ON. AND I'D SAY THAT'S A PRETTY DECLARATORY STATEMENT. YOU FEEL LIKE STAFF IS AT THAT LEVEL. MAYOR, WE CAN GET YOU A POLICY. THAT'S WHAT I JUST HEARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO END IT. COUNCIL YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? NO, SIR. NO, SIR. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU, MR. DAWSON. THANK YOU, SIR, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON AND MOVE BACKWARDS TO ITEM SEVEN. [7.D. Discuss Charter Review Citizen Committee recommendations and alternative proposals as requested by City Councilmembers] D WE HAVE MR. HAWKINS. SO WELCOME TO OUR AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEETING, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT GEARS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING LATE TODAY. CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND MY CONTROL. [02:25:03] BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK THAT YOU'D LIKE ME TO BE SURE TO ADDRESS. WELL, I WOULD SAY I THINK WE DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY KIND OF WORKED ON OUR SIDE AS MUCH AS WE NEED TO. IT WOULD IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL, I BELIEVE, TO ALLOW YOU TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION WITH THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE AS YOU'VE GOTTEN IT PREPARED, AND THEN MAYBE LET US RESPOND. CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. SO OVER THE LAST WEEK, WE'VE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF AND WE'VE WORKED WITH YOUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, MR. HYDE. AND SO LET ME START GOING THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION. THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHAT THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE. JUST TO REFRESH, WE HAD PROPOSITION A, WHICH WAS REVISING THE RECALL PROPOSITION PROVISIONS. PROPOSITION B, WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH FOUR YEAR STAGGERED TERMS FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, WOULD UPDATE THE VACANCY PROVISIONS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW DUE TO THE LONGER TERMS, AND IT WOULD INTRODUCE A RESIGN TO RUN PROVISIONS. SO A SITTING MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL, WITH 12 MONTHS AND 30 DAYS OR MORE REMAINING IN THEIR TERM, WERE TO ANNOUNCE AS A CANDIDATE FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC OFFICE, THEIR OFFICE WOULD BE DEEMED VACANT. PROPOSITION C WOULD INCREASE THE COUNCIL TO SEVEN MEMBERS, AND IN THIS VERSION WE HAD IT PAIRED WITH CREATING COUNCIL, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS AS AT LARGE, THE MAYOR AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT LARGE, AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS COMING FROM SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREAS WITH THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT THERE. PROPOSITION D WOULD CLARIFY THE CITY MANAGER'S DUTIES WHEN HIRING EXECUTIVE LEVEL EMPLOYEES, SO UNCLASSIFIED EXECUTIVE LEVEL EMPLOYEES SUCH AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS DEPARTMENT HEADS. THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSULTATION WITH THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL UPDATING THE POLICY TO OF THE GOVERNANCE AND POLICY TO ESTABLISH A REGULAR REVIEW CYCLE FOR THE CHARTER. SO WE DON'T HAVE BACKLOGS OF UN UNEXAMINED ISSUES AND UPDATE THE GOVERNANCE AND POLICIES AS A BOOTSTRAP TO THE CONSULTATION REGARDING APPOINTMENT OF EXECUTIVE STAFF, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED NO CHANGE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION. CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK INDICATED THAT ITS TOP PRIORITY WAS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE WANTED TO SEPARATE PROPOSITION C, WHICH WOULD BE INCREASING THE COUNCIL FROM 5 TO 7 AND THE QUALIFICATIONS OF OFFICE. WE WANTED TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVES TO TERMS AND TERM LINK FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. LAST WEEK THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT THE MAYOR AND SOME OTHERS SEEM TO PREFER KEEPING THE MAYOR'S TERM AT TWO YEARS VERSUS FOUR YEARS FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT CHANGING THE APPOINTMENT AUTHORITY OF THE CITY ATTORNEY FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO WE WERE DIRECTED TO WORK WITH YOUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, HYDE KELLY, AND WE HAVE DONE SO. SO. SO WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF SEVERAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS. FIRST IS TO RECALL THE ELECTED OFFICER. THAT'S A PROVISION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE, INCREASED THE. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE BASICALLY IS WE BROKE APART SOME OF THE MEASURES THAT WE INTRODUCED LAST WEEK. ADVICE OF COUNCIL. SO WE WOULD INCREASE THE COUNCIL IN ONE MEASURE TO A MAYOR AND SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE CHANGED THE TERM OF OFFICE TO FOUR YEARS. WE'D REVISE THE VACANCY PROVISIONS TO INTRODUCE THAT RESIGN TO RUN PROVISION AND MAKE IT A VACANCY. PROVISIONS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. CHANGING THE CITY COUNCIL QUALIFICATIONS IS THE MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE THE MAYOR AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS BE ELECTED AT LARGE, AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS BE ELECTED FROM GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. PROPOSITION F WOULD ESTABLISH TERM LIMITS ON THE MAYOR, SUCH AND COUNCIL, SUCH THAT NO PERSON COULD SERVE MORE THAN EIGHT CONSECUTIVE YEARS ON THE COUNCIL. THEY COULD SERVE AGAIN IF THEY HAD A TWO YEAR BREAK IN SERVICE. AND I WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS A DETRIMENT IN MANY CITIES THAT HAVE TERM LIMITS IS THAT ONCE YOU REACH YOUR TERM LIMIT, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN NEVER SERVE AGAIN. SOME CITIES HAVE REALIZED THAT THERE'S A VALUE IN HAVING EXPERIENCED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS, AND SO THEY'VE CREATED A HIATUS PERIOD [02:30:02] TO ALLOW THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL TO AGAIN SERVE THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S A BEST PRACTICE. PROPOSITION G IS AGAIN A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE, A CLARIFYING THE CITY MANAGER AND HIRING AUTHORITY IN TERMS OF EXECUTIVE UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. AND LASTLY, A NEW MEASURE THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING TODAY IS DESIGNATING THE CITY COUNCIL AS THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE SPECIFIC SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THESE. THE RECALL PROVISIONS ARE IN CHARTER ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 24. PRINCIPALLY, THIS CHANGE MAKES IT SOMEWHAT EASIER TO QUALIFY A RECALL PETITION FOR THE BALLOT. CURRENTLY, THE CHARTER SAYS THAT A RECALL PETITION MUST HAVE SIGNATURES OF 30% OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS, WITH ONE FIFTH OF THOSE SIGNATURES CERTIFYING THAT THEY VOTED FOR THE OFFICE HOLDER. THERE'S NO WAY TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID OR DID NOT VOTE FOR THE OFFICE HOLDER, AND IT CREATES ANOTHER BURDEN FOR THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. THE CHANGE WOULD REDUCE THE QUALIFICATIONS TO 30% OF THE NUMBERS OF VOTES CAST IN THE LAST ELECTION. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 100,000 REGISTERED VOTERS IN AMARILLO. 30% OF THAT WOULD BE 30,000 SIGNATURES REQUIRED, ONE FIFTH OF WHICH, OR 6000 WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THEY VOTED FOR THE OFFICE HOLDER. THE NEW REQUIREMENT 30% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTES CAST IN THE LAST ELECTION. APPROXIMATELY 20,000 VOTES CAST IN EACH ELECTION. SO THERE WOULD BE A 6000 VOTE REQUIREMENT TO QUALIFY A MEASURE FOR THE BALLOT. THE COMMITTEE ALSO RECOMMENDED EXTENDING THE TIME PERIOD FROM 30 DAYS TO 60 DAYS, FELT THAT THIS WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME FRAME TO ALLOW RECALL PROPONENTS TO GATHER THEIR SIGNATURES. WE INCLUDE LIMITING THE FILING OF RECALL PETITION AGAINST AN OFFICEHOLDER DURING THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THEIR OFFICE, WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE END OF THEIR TERM, AND WITHIN SIX MONTHS THAT THEY HAD BEEN RECALLED PREVIOUSLY. AND THERE WERE SOME SLIGHT UPDATES IN TERMS OF LANGUAGE IN THE IN ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 24. PROPOSITION B IS WHERE WE AMEND CHARTER SECTIONS FIVE, SECTIONS ONE AND FIVE. THIS IS WHERE WE PROPOSE INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE COUNCIL TO SEVEN MEMBERS, THE MAYOR PLUS SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND SPECIFY THAT BECAUSE THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNCIL IS ADDRESSED IN TWO SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER. SO WE ADDRESS IT IN THIS SECTION. SECOND SECTION. SECTION FIVE OF WHAT IS THE RULING BODY OF THE COUNCIL? AND WE ALSO SPECIFY THAT ALL THE MAYOR AND ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ELECTED BY A CITYWIDE VOTE. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IN MEASURE C, CHANGING THE TERM OF OFFICE. SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO TO FOUR YEAR TERMS, WITH THOSE TERMS BEING STAGGERED. THE STAGGERED TERMS WILL BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE IF THE CHARTER WERE CHANGED. WE ARE PREPARED AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, WHICH WOULD BE MAINTAINING THE CURRENT TERM OF THE MAYOR AT TWO YEARS AND CHANGE THE LENGTH OF THE TERM FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO FOUR YEARS, AGAIN ON A STAGGERED BASIS. AND THOSE TERMS WILL BE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE AND WOULD TAKE EFFECT IN NEXT MAY'S ELECTION. SO THERE WOULD BE A WHOLE NEW COUNCIL, SEVEN MEMBERS. EVERY SEAT WOULD BE ELECTED NEXT MAY. AND HERE'S A CHART JUST LAYING OUT WHAT THE TRANSITION PLAN WOULD BE FOR THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL OFFICES. BASICALLY, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE ELECTED IN 2025 BUT ONLY SERVE A TWO YEAR TERM UNTIL THEY COULD GET INTO THE REGULAR FOUR YEAR CYCLE. SO THAT'S A SMALL TRANSITION PERIOD TO GET EVERYBODY BACK ON A FOUR YEAR CYCLE, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL. THE VACANCY PROVISIONS AND PROPOSITION D BASICALLY CHANGE IT SO THAT IF A VACANCY OCCURS WITH LESS THAN 12 MONTHS IN TERM OF TERM OF OFFICE REMAINING FOR EITHER THE MAYOR OR COUNCIL MEMBER, THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE APPOINTMENT. IF THERE'S MORE THAN 12 MONTHS REMAINING IN THE TERM, THE COUNCIL WOULD CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD TO FILL THAT VACANCY. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S A RESIGNED TO RUN PROVISION IN STATE LAW THAT WE WOULD INTRODUCE IN THE CHARTER HERE THAT IF A COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR [02:35:05] WERE TO ANNOUNCE RUNNING FOR A DIFFERENT POSITION AND THEY HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME REMAINING IN THEIR TERM, THEY WOULD BE VACATING THAT OFFICE. PROPOSITION E IS THIS IS WHERE WE SEPARATED THE AT LARGE MEMBERS AND THE PEOPLE ELECTED BY GEOGRAPHIC AREA. WE SEPARATED THAT FROM THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THE TERM ADVICE OF COUNCIL WAS TO SEPARATE THOSE ITEMS. AND SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THREE, THE MAYOR AND THREE MEMBERS ELECTED ON AN AT LARGE BASIS. THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE ELECTED SUBJECT TO RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. THE COUNCIL WOULD RETAIN A DEMOGRAPHER AND LEGAL COUNSEL TO HELP DRAFT THAT CHANGE, WHICH WOULD BE DONE CONSISTENT WITH FEDERAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS OF FAIR VOTING. AND THEN THE FIRST CYCLE, THE COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THOSE BORDERS OR BOUNDARIES. AND THEN BEGINNING IN 2031, AFTER THE NEXT FEDERAL CENSUS, EVERY TEN YEARS THEREAFTER, THERE WOULD BE A CITIZENS COMMITTEE THAT'S APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THOSE TERM ABOUT THOSE BOUNDARIES. PROPOSITION F INTRODUCES THE TERM LIMITS. AND SO BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, WE CHANGED THE LANGUAGE FROM TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS TO EIGHT CONSECUTIVE YEARS. SO THAT WOULD ADDRESS IF THE MAYOR HAD A TWO YEAR TERM OR COUNCIL HAD FOUR YEAR TERMS. IT EQUALIZES THINGS BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND AGAIN PERMITS COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE MAYOR TO SERVE AGAIN AFTER A TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD. AND HERE WE HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS KIND OF THE FLOW. IF YOU HAD THOSE LIMITS IN PLACE GOING FORWARD. AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS WOULD BE A PROSPECTIVE CHANGE. SO MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE COUNCIL NOW WOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO THE EIGHT YEARS. SO THERE WOULD BE FROM GOING FORWARD, STARTING IN MAY, GOING FORWARD, THERE WOULD BE EIGHT YEAR TERM LIMIT. CITY MANAGER DUTIES. THIS IS WHERE WE ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER CONSULT WITH THE COUNCIL. THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IS ADVISE AND CONSENT, WHICH IS A LITTLE NEBULOUS. AND SO BASICALLY, WE'RE SAYING THAT THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO CONSULT WITH THE COUNCIL PRIOR PRIOR TO MAKING APPOINTMENT OF CERTAIN CLASSES OF EMPLOYEES, WHICH ARE UNCLASSIFIED EXECUTIVE LEVEL POSITIONS AND MEASURE AND MEASURE H ADDRESSES. THERE WOULD NEED TO BE TWO STEPS. ONE IS THE CHARTER CHANGE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED AS WELL. AND SO WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE NECESSARY AS A RESULT OF A CHARTER CHANGE, WE'VE TRIED TO FOOTNOTE THAT SO THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT THERE WOULD BE KIND OF A TWO STEP PROCESS IN THIS. BUT IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED IF THE CHARTER CHANGE WENT FORWARD. AND THE CHARTER CHANGE WOULD BE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS NOW APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IN SECTION THIS, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 21, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS ABILITY TO APPOINT ALL EMPLOYEES EXCEPT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. WE CREATE A NEW SECTION 34 THAT ESTABLISHES THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO SELECT AND HIRE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND A NEW SECTION 35, WHICH WILL CODIFY THE LANGUAGE, ESTABLISHING THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER SECTION. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S WOULD CALL OUT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS A MEMBER OF THE UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE SPECIFICALLY. AND SO THAT'S A CLARIFICATION OF THE CHARTER LANGUAGE. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDING A REGULAR CHARTER REVIEW CYCLE AND SETTING UP A PROCESS WHERE THERE'S A COMMUNITY BASED ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE COUNCIL THAT WOULD DO THAT ON A PERIODIC BASIS, AND THE COMMUNICATIONS AND THE GOVERNANCE AND ZINS POLICY BOOTSTRAPS THE CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNCIL PRIOR TO AN OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT BEING GIVEN TO CERTAIN EMPLOYEES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE FELT WAS THAT CHARTER CHANGE IS PROBABLY MORE CLEAR, BUT THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE AN OPTION OF JUST ADOPTING THE GOVERNANCE AND MS POLICY CHANGE. BUT BUTTRESSING THE TWO TOGETHER IS PROBABLY MORE CONSISTENT IN A TIGHTER WAY TO DO THINGS. [02:40:04] AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE DISCRETION TO ACCEPT, REJECT OR MODIFY ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS MADE OR TO PUT ON THEIR OWN BALLOT MEASURES AS THEY AS YOU SO CHOOSE. AND SO SUMMARY OF THE BALLOT MEASURES. PROPOSITION A WOULD CHANGE THE RECALL PROVISIONS. PROPOSITION B WOULD INCREASE THE CITY COUNCIL TO A MAYOR AND SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS. PROPOSITION C WOULD CHANGE THE TERM OF OFFICE TO EITHER. EVERYONE HAS A FOUR YEAR TERM, OR THE ALTERNATIVE MAYOR HAS A TWO YEAR TERM. COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE FOUR YEAR TERMS. REVISING THE VACANCY PROVISIONS SO THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. PROPOSITION E CHANGES THE CITY COUNCIL QUALIFICATIONS WHERE WE INTRODUCE THE GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION ELEMENT. PROPOSITION F ESTABLISHED TERM LIMITS. PROPOSITION G CLARIFIES THE MANAGER'S HIRING AUTHORITY, AND PROPOSITION H PROVIDES THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE APPOINTING AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND THEN THE TWO POLICIES THAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. SO OUR TIMELINE AS CURRENTLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS PROBABLY LOOKING AT AUGUST 6TH FOR THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE CALLING THE ELECTION THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 13TH. THE RESOLUTION IS DUE AUGUST 19TH. SO THAT WOULD GIVE US GIVE THE COUNCIL TIME TO DO THOSE DECISIONS. AND NOVEMBER 5TH IS THE ELECTION, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS, OR ARE YOU GUYS WANT TO JUMP IN TO DISCUSSION? MAYBE ON YOUR PREFERENCE WHERE YOU THINK YOU YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE THESE? AND IF YOU'D MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THEM, OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THESE YOU'D WANT TO PUT UP. YEAH. MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD ADD JUST ONE COMMENT LAST WEEK WHEN WE WERE TALKING, I SAID THAT IDEALLY WE SHOULD LOOK AT 3 OR 4 MEASURES. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE MEASURES TODAY, BUT THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS EACH MEASURE IS DISTINCT AND IT'S VERY CLEAR AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND. SO IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, LOOKING AT THAT, THAT ACTUALLY COULD SIMPLIFY THE VOTING OF THE PUBLIC AND ENHANCE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BY THE PUBLIC OF WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON. SO THERE'S A GIVE AND A TAKE. BUT I THINK IN THE END HAVING MORE MORE MEASURES BUT MORE CLEARLY DEFINED. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR ONE THING AT THE EXPENSE OF SOMETHING ELSE, PROVIDES MORE CLARITY IN WHAT THE COUNT THE COMMUNITY IS VOTING ON. REAL GOOD. I THINK THAT YOU GUYS DID VERY WELL. I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP IN IT AND THEN ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE AND THEIR TIME. SO WE'RE WE'RE TAKING WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S PUT OUT HERE SERIOUSLY. AND I THINK WE REALLY WANT TO CONSIDER AND CONTEMPLATE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH AS OF THEIR RECOMMENDING COUNCIL QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION REGARDING MAYOR GOING TO TWO YEARS? WHAT WAS WHAT WHY? WELL, I THINK MAYOR STANLEY RAISED THAT QUESTION AT THE. I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE. SO LET ME STEP AROUND HERE. SO MY MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WAS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A POTENTIAL MAJORITY TURNED OVER AT ANY GIVEN ELECTION. SO YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE FOUR UP AT THAT POINT. SO, SO THE FOUR YEAR EXTENDED TERMS WITH STAGGERED TERMS IS A BIG PRIORITY FOR ME. AND SEEING HOW DIFFICULT THIS IS TO HAVE THE CONTINUITY MOVING FORWARD THAT YOU NEED ON THIS COUNCIL. AND WE'VE DONE THIS HISTORICALLY NOW THREE TIMES OVER THE LAST 18 YEARS, EVERY SIX YEARS, KIND OF LIKE CLOCKWORK. YOU'VE CLEANED EVERYBODY OFF AND BROUGHT EVERYBODY IN NEW. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR STAFF. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE LEADERSHIP. SO IN STAGGERING THESE, THE ONE THING THAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS YOU'D HOLD THE MAYOR TO A TWO YEAR TERM AND HE, HE OR SHE WOULD ALWAYS RUN EVERY TWO YEARS. SO YOU'D ALWAYS BE UP, YOU'D ALWAYS BE AT LARGE. AND IT WOULD ALWAYS HAVE FOUR THERE. SO THAT, THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY THERE. THE OTHER THING IS, IS, IS I KNOW FIRST HAND THE, THE AUTHORITY THAT IS THAT IS, THAT RESIDES WITH THE MAYOR IN THAT OFFICE. AT THE ABSENCE OF COUNCIL. SO STAFF IS FORCED TO TAKE A LOT OF DIRECTION FROM THE MAYOR. AND THE MAYOR CAN BE HERE, NOT NOT WELCOMED TO BE HERE 40 HOURS A WEEK, BUT CAN BE HERE 40 HOURS A WEEK. SO WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE YOUR PROXIMITY IS THAT CLOSE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE WITH THE STAFF THAT MUCH I THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE A BALANCE IN POWER [02:45:03] FROM THE WAY THAT MAYOR HAS TO RUN AND THE WAY THAT IT BALANCES SOME OF THE POWER OVER TO COUNCIL. DOES THAT ANSWER IT? THAT ANSWERS IT. THANK YOU. CITIZEN. YES, SIR. TAXPAYER. BY THE WAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. ITEM A, I BELIEVE ON THE RECALL. YES, SIR. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TIME LIMITS PUT INTO THAT THAT THE RECALL CAN TAKE PLACE. I MEAN, YOU HAVE 60 DAYS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN CITY SECRETARY'S GOT SO MANY DAYS TO PROCESS. I THINK WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE LANGUAGE THERE. I BELIEVE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THERE IS A TIME LIMIT ON REFERENDUMS AND INITIATIVES. IS THAT RIGHT? SO WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING THAT LANGUAGE OR INCORPORATING THAT SIMILAR LANGUAGE. I BELIEVE IT'S 21 DAYS. IT IS. IT'S 21 DAYS. OKAY. CAN I. I DON'T GO AWAY? OH, BUT LET ME LET ME LET ME START A DISCUSSION UP HERE. COUNCIL. COULD I GET MAYBE EACH ONE OF YOU TO SUMMARIZE YOUR TOP 3 OR 4? YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR ALL OF THEM, PLEASE DO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF GET A LIST OF OF PRIORITIES FROM YOU GUYS AND SEE WHERE WE HAVE SOME COMMONALITIES AND WHERE WHERE WE COULD PUSH FORWARD WITH A FEW OF THESE KNOWING THAT WE WOULD ALL AGREE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAFT. YOU GO FIRST, SIR. WHOA, WHOA. LET ME READ IT ALL ONE LAST TIME BEFORE I OPEN MY MOUTH. START FOR HE'S UP. SO, I BELIEVE RECALL OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO INCREASE THE COUNCIL SIZE. SO THAT WOULD BE AN I'LL GIVE YOU WHAT. SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE HERE. EIGHT. HEY. SO I'LL GIVE YOU MY TOP FIVE. OKAY. SO RECALL OF AN ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE TOP PRIORITY. INCREASE THE COUNCIL. YEAH B C CHANGE THE TERM OF OFFICE. WHICH ONE IS WHICH PREFERENCE HERE? BASICALLY, I'M JUST ASKING MAYOR AT TWO YEARS. MAYOR AT FOUR YEARS. ACTUALLY SKIP THAT ONE. SO I ALREADY WROTE IT DOWN. SORRY. WE CAN'T CAN'T SKIP THAT. IS THAT THE KNOW? GIVE BACK OR NO TAKE BACK RULE. NO TAKE BACK RULES. WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE'S NUMBER? THREE. THEN YOU THINK. CITY ATTORNEY. SO H. OKAY. AND THEN. I GUESS. E BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT SEPARATING THAT ONE OUT. CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. SO COUNCIL QUALIFICATIONS WOULD YOU WANT C AS YOUR FOURTH ONE. EXTENDED STAGGERED TERMS. YEAH C AND D WE CAN DO THOSE AS TOP FIVE. SO OKAY SO LET ME LET ME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT. A AS YOU KNOW FOR THE RECALL NUMBER ONE B INCREASE SIZE TWO MEMBERS. H APPOINT CITY ATTORNEY C EXTEND THE TERMS STAGGER. AND THEN YOU SAID D REVISE VACANCY PROVISIONS. OKAY. SO D BRING THEM IN LINE OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO ANY OF THIS OR ANY DISCUSSION FROM YOU ON ANY OF THESE? NO. OKAY. COUNCILMAN TIPPS I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THIS IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEPARATE YOURSELF AS WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST THIS VERSUS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT TO VOTE ON. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MAKING THAT STATEMENT. IT'S DIFFICULT TRYING TO DO WHAT IS IMPORTANT. I WOULD SAY YOU WANT IT IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. I WOULD LIKE THAT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO RUN A LIST HERE TO SEE WHERE MAYBE OUR ONE TWOS AND THREES LIE. [02:50:04] OKAY. HOW ABOUT C G? A B B? B? B, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. C G A B. AND THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR IT, BUT IT'S AT LEAST WE CAN GET PAST THIS POINT. I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET TO OUR TOP 4 OR 5, AND THEN LET'S SEE IF WE COULD WORK A FEW OF THOSE TOGETHER IN MORE DETAIL. OKAY. SO TODAY IS DISCUSSION ONLY. YES, SIR. COULD I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. COUNCIL MEMBER TIPPS C G A B? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION TODAY. WE'D STILL HAVE TIME TO WORK. LANGUAGE AS WELL. TITLE ADD TO TAKE AWAY COUNCILMAN. I'M GOOD WITH THE ONLY THING I THINK I'D WANT TO PULL IS THE. ESTABLISHED TERM LIMITS. I DON'T LIKE THAT. SO YOU TAKE IT THE WAY IT IS. YOU'RE A THROUGH H, BUT DELETE E CORRECT OR F I'M SORRY. CORRECT. SO A B C D E EXACTLY. DELETE F G H OKAY. COUNCILMAN SIMPSON. SO I'LL KIND OF I HAVE THREE OF THESE THAT ARE AT THE TOP. I DON'T HAVE FIVE. AND HOW CAN I GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF HOW I'VE COME TO WHAT I'M THINKING. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO ECHO THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE COMMITTEE AND DONE BY BAKER TILLY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS. I THINK I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN SOLVE BY CHARTER, AS WELL AS AS THE GOVERNANCE AND MS POLICIES. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT VOTING, I AGREE WITH, I THINK THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF ITEMS WE CAN PUT ON THE BALLOT FOR THE MAXIMUM EFFECT IS THE BEST STRATEGY. I ALSO THINK THAT THE MORE MOVING PARTS YOU PUT TO IT, THE MORE SOMEONE COULD PICK SOMETHING TO BE AGAINST. AND MAYBE THEY GO, OH NO, INSTEAD OF DOING THAT. SO I'M KIND OF OF THE LET'S PERFECT IS GREAT, BUT SOMETIMES PERFECT IS THE ENEMY OF GOOD. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THESE AND THINKING, WHAT ARE THE MOST CRUCIAL, WHICH ONE OF THESE THAT ARE THAT THAT REALLY WOULD MAKE THE BIGGEST SHIFT IN IMPROVING GOVERNANCE. AND FOR ME, A THE RECALL OF ELECTED OFFICIAL, I THINK WHAT'S I CAN'T BELIEVE IT GOT PASSED BEFORE, BUT IT DID. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THEM. I THINK INCREASING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEVEN MAYOR AND SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CHANGING THE TERM OF OFFICE WOULD BE MY TOP THREE. I WOULD I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH, WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS AND THAT I, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF CHANGING A MAJORITY IN EVERY ELECTION. IF YOU LOOK AT COUNTY COMMISSIONS, SCHOOL BOARDS, YOU KNOW, NO ONE CHANGES A MAJORITY IN ONE ELECTION. I THINK YES, IT COULD BE GOOD. THE DOWNSIDES ARE SOMETIMES IN A CHANGE ELECTION PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE GETTING ELECTED FOR ONE REASON, AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE REASON, AND THEN THEY GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. I THINK IF THERE'S CHANGE NEEDED TO ELECTION CYCLES AND I THINK IT JUST, I THINK HAVING EVERYONE ON A FOUR YEAR TERM PROVIDES THAT AGAIN, THAT CONTINUITY. I ALSO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HISTORY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE MOST MAYORS HAVE SERVED, YOU KNOW, TWO YEAR TERMS. I MEAN, IT HASN'T SEEMED TO BE A REAL PROBLEM OF OF A MAYOR NOT SERVING A TWO YEAR TERM. SO I, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM ALL AT AT FOUR YEARS. SO FOR ME, A, B AND C WERE THE ONES THAT I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST PUTTING ON THE BALLOT. IF YOU HAD A FOURTH ONE, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU GO WITH? WELL, LET ME TELL YOU MY REASONS WHY I DON'T HAVE A FOURTH ONE. THAT'D BE EVEN BETTER. OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO PUT THE D ON THERE FOR SOME. I MEAN, DO THINGS CHANGE IF WE DON'T PUT D ON THERE? I MEAN, DOES THIS I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND D IS KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING THING, BUT DOES IT ACCOMPLISH I MEAN, IS IT OKAY IF WE IF THAT IF IT STAYS THE WAY IT IS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THAT D IS THERE JUST TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. BUT STATE LAW WOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THE CHARTER. SO YOU COULD DO AWAY WITH D AND STILL GET TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THE ONE THING THAT YOU KNOW, YOU THAT WOULD GET YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO BE IN TERMS OF FILLING VACANCIES. IT BASICALLY GIVE YOU WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. YEAH. YOU WOULD STILL SORRY FOR BUTTING IN, BUT YOU WOULD STILL YOU WOULD STILL NEED SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD APPOINT WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD, BECAUSE STATE [02:55:10] LAW REQUIRES THAT. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR CHARTER ABOUT HOW YOU'LL, YOU'LL APPOINT WITHIN THE 12 MONTH PERIOD. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO ADD. BUT BUT THAT'S JUST TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER DOES IT HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE ITEM? CAN IT BE FOLDED UNDER ANOTHER ITEM IN THE DETAILS OR IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CHARTER? I THINK THAT'S THE WAY STATE LAW. I MEAN, WE LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE WAY STATE LAW READS. SO. OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. THE THE E WHY? I UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLE OF IT AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE REASONING OF IT. I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN. AND WHILE EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS AND LOOKING AT IT THOROUGHLY UNDERSTANDS IT, AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK ON WHAT IT REALLY IS. AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COULD WEIGH IN THE BALANCE OF GETTING SOME OF THESE CHANGES APPROVED. SO I THINK LEAVING THAT I'M A TERM LIMITS AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE STAYING IN TOO LONG. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE THAT HAS SERVED MORE THAN 6 OR 8 YEARS IN A COUPLE OF DECADES. SO, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A PROBLEM TO FIX THERE. AND I'M IN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, LET IF SOMEONE WANTS TO IF WE HAVE A GOOD COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS INSANE ENOUGH TO RUN FOR A THIRD TERM, THEN LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN. THE LAST TWO, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF FIGURED A WAY AROUND THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS REALLY A NEED IN THE CHARTER ISSUE. I THINK WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IS IT A IS IT A MUST HAVE OR NICE TO HAVE. I THINK A, B AND C ARE MUST HAVES AND HAVING A MORE EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT I THINK THE, THE G AND H. WE'VE ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE ARE REALLY NECESSARILY CHARTER PROBLEMS. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE GOTTEN KIND OF COMPLICATED THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK WE'RE WE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO RESOLVE THOSE. SO I WOULD KIND OF LOOK AT A, B AND C AND I GUESS IF WE NEED TO INCLUDE D AS A AS A HOUSEKEEPING, JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD ADD D TO THAT AS WELL. A, B, C AND D. AND I WOULD ECHO YOUR STATEMENT. I THINK THAT SPEAKING TO THE COMMITTEE, THE TIME THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE INVESTED IS NOT WASTED. IF WE STOPPED AT D A LOT OF WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STILL MOVE FORWARD ON IS GOVERNANCE AND ENDS POLICY. TO GO AND CLEAN UP SOME OF THESE ITEMS WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE IT TO A CHARTER ELECTION. SO THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD. YES, SIR. IF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN HAVING THE APPOINTMENT AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, YOU WOULD NEED THE CHARTER AMENDMENT H FOR THAT. CORRECT. THAT COULD NOT BE DONE THROUGH GOVERNANCE AND ENDS. G COULD BE ADDRESSED THAT WAY, BUT H WOULD NEED A SEPARATE MEASURE. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE THE GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF IT. SO MINE WOULD BE B PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, INCREASE THE COUNCIL TWO MEMBERS A RECALL OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL C FOUR YEAR STAGGERED TERMS, AND I WOULD GLADLY MOVE AND BEND FROM THE TWO TO THE FOUR IF COUNCIL DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT. SO IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, OR IF IT'S JUST ME AND ONE OTHER THAT WANT TO HOLD THE MAYOR TO TWO, THEN THEN LET'S AGREE ON FOUR AND MOVE THAT ONE FORWARD AS A PRIORITY. AND THEN D BECAUSE IT'S A HALF TWO. OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T PUT D UP, I'D JUST LET STATE LAW SPEAK. BUT I THINK IT IS A HOUSEKEEPING PROVISION THAT SHOULD BE MADE. I BROUGHT UP ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY BY COUNSEL QUESTIONED THAT WITH THE CONSULTING FIRM. I'VE SINCE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT ONE. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE COULD PUT FORWARD TO OUR CITIZENS. AND WE COULD ADD THIS ONE AND THAT ONE. AND THEN THE MORE WE REACH FOR, THE LESS WE COME DOWN WITH. I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR HAVING 3 OR 4 KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SANCTUARY CITY PROPOSITION AS WELL UP THERE. SO I WOULD I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD WORK THROUGH OUR GOVERNANCE AND ENDS POLICIES AND THEN CONTINUE TO, TO WORK THE WAY WE HAVE. I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL. HE'S WORKING WELL WITH INSIDE COUNSEL. I THINK STAFF APPRECIATES THE ADDITIONAL EYES AND RESOURCES. SO I KNOW THE COUNSEL DEFINITELY DOES. THOSE ARE MINE. THE FOR YEAR TO YEAR. NOT A BIG DEAL. AND I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO SET ASIDE THE GEOGRAPHIC QUALIFICATION IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, NOT TYING IT TO ANY OF THESE. AND IF I HAD TO PUT A FIFTH ONE DOWN, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE I'D PROBABLY GO WITH. BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH NOT PUTTING THAT REQUIREMENT IN. [03:00:04] MR. MAYOR, BY MY COUNT, I SEE EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAS PLACED A, B, C, AND D ON THEIR LIST. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT OF HAVING NO MORE THAN FOUR, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. I LOVE THAT SIR. SO IF YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO FIGHT FOR IT RIGHT HERE. SO TELL ME WHICH ONE YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT OR WHICH COUPLE. AND LET'S HEAR YOUR ARGUMENT. COUNCIL HANK THOMSON ONE THAT HAS MORE THAN FOUR. SO ESSER COUNCILMAN YOU GOT ONE THERE THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO KEEP? WELL, YEAH. I MEAN WE'VE GOT THESE. I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY. DALLAS JUST DID THIS. DALLAS HAD 21 PROPOSITIONS. ALL OF THEM PASSED. SO, I MEAN, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ASKING. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO READ EACH OF THESE SENTENCES AND LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK. I MEAN, BY PUTTING THEM ALL ON THERE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE OVERDOING MY ELECTORATE. NOW, DURING THE COMMITTEE, EVERYBODY WAS WORRIED ABOUT VOTER FATIGUE. I DON'T THINK WE GIVE OUR VOTERS ENOUGH CREDIT. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE VOTER FATIGUE NOW AFTER WE READ THAT SANCTUARY CITY DEAL, YOU MIGHT. BUT BUT TO BE TRUTHFUL, ALL WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IS TO SAY FOR OR AGAINST AND, YOU KNOW THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON THIS THING. OKAY. SO YOU YOU WOULD DO THEM ALL? LESS F NO TERM LIMITS. STILL, LIKE YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR, YOU'RE JUST ARGUING AGAINST THE ARGUMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, LESS IS MORE, AND WE'RE GOING TO COME AWAY WITH MORE IF WE ONLY PUT FOUR OF THEM UP. BECAUSE I THINK I THINK WE COULD ARRIVE AT FOUR. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO SAY ONLY THREE. DO ARE WE WILLING TO DO MORE COUNCIL ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAYBE SHIFT THAT DIRECTION? RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, I SEE WHAT I SEE TOM'S POINT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A THAT'S THEIR VOICE. I MEAN, OUR CITIZENS, IF THEY WANT TO VOTE AND THEY WANT THIS STUFF, THEN LET THEM HAVE IT. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T I'M MORE I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT IT AS VOTER FATIGUE AS I AM NOT ALLOWING THE CITIZENS TO GET WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF THEIR CITY GOVERNMENT. DID YOU HAVE E ON YOURS? YOU DID NOT. WELL, I MEAN, I HAD I ONLY GAVE YOU FIVE, BUT I C COUNCIL MEMBER SHIRLEY'S POINT ON ALLOWING THEM ALL TO VOTE ON ALL OF THEM. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD ADDED WAS H. AND THAT WAS TO DESIGNATE THE CITY COUNCIL AS A AUTHORITY FOR CITY ATTORNEY. WELL, LET ME TAKE THAT ONE JUST IN THE WAY IN WHICH I FEEL WE'VE SOLVED THAT. BY BY HAVING THE ADDITIONAL ATTORNEY, I STILL FEEL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE CITIZENS POINT OF VIEW, YOU DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE THAT ATTORNEY AS A REPRESENTATIVE, BUT IT DOES COST SOME ISSUES, I THINK, FOR THE ROLE OF THAT TYPICAL CITY ATTORNEY. I WOULD BE WILLING TO LET THAT ONE GO. THE GEE, I FEEL LIKE YOU COULD HANDLE THROUGH GOVERNANCE AND ENDS. F DOES ANYBODY HAVE F? NO ONE DOES. SO WE WE REALLY AREN'T LOOKING AT THAT ONE. AND THEN REALLY THE THE ARGUMENT MIGHT BE E HOW MANY E'S DO WE HAVE? MR. CONSULTANT IS WE, I HAVE ONE E SO JUST TOM. YES. YES, SIR. JUST. TOM. TOM, ARE YOU WILLING TO LET THAT ONE GO, OR DO YOU WANT TO STAND ON IT? I MEAN, I COULD LET IT GO, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE BY GETTING MORE REPRESENTATION IN AREAS. BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS IN COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS IN LESS THAN I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE DID. AND THEY WERE REALLY INVOLVED IN TRYING TO GET MORE REPRESENTATION IN ALL AREAS OF THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHY THEY INCLUDED THAT. AND AFTER LISTENING TO THEM FOR FIVE WEEKS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A COUPLE THREE DIFFERENT TIMES, DIDN'T WE? YES. IT WAS A VERY VALID POINT. AND THEY ARGUED IT. BOTH SIDES ARGUED IT VERY WELL. AND IT CAME UP THAT THE MAJORITY WANTED IT THERE SO I COULD LET IT GO. [03:05:05] OKAY. I MEAN, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO ASSESS A COST FOR DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY, ACCORDING TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. HYDE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE AN EXTRA STEP TO PUT THAT ON. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC OF THAT ACCORDING TO HIS ADVISEMENT EARLIER TODAY. YES, SIR. ASK A QUESTION. SO DOES E DOES THAT IS IT DEPENDENT ON B OR IS IT. NO. SO LET'S JUST SAY E PASSES DO THREE OF THE FOUR COUNCIL. IT IS DEPENDENT ON B. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO IF B FAILS E WOULD BE THE ONE THAT IS A STANDALONE THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN IN A LANGUAGE THAT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE PASS OF B, SO YOU WOULD NOT END UP WITH FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS. NOW, IF YOU ENDED UP WITH FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU COULD END UP WITH STAGGERED TERMS WITH FIVE COUNCIL. COUNCIL. BUT THEY WOULD BE THE FOUR YEAR TERMS, SO YOU COULD NOT END UP JUST AS AN EXAMPLE FOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT. YOU COULD NOT END UP WITH STAGGERED TWO YEAR TERMS. WE'VE TIED THOSE TWO TOGETHER. SO IF YOU PASS FOUR YEAR TERMS, YOU'RE PASSING STAGGERED TERMS. YOU WOULD NOT PASS A FOUR YEAR SEPARATE FROM A STAGGERED TERM PROPOSITION. SO THOSE TWO ARE TIED TOGETHER, BUT THEY'RE IN ONE PROPOSITION. AND I THINK THAT'S EASY TO FOLLOW. WHAT IS NOT EASY TO FOLLOW IS GOING TO BE THE QUALIFICATION MEASURE THAT IS TIED TO THE INCREASE OF COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY BE ANOTHER ARGUMENT AGAINST IT AND JUST MESSAGING TO THE PUBLIC. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS HERE, SO WE WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM HEADINGS, TITLE LANGUAGE AND THE ORDER. RIGHT. WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. CORRECT. AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT AUGUST 6TH AS THE SCHEDULED MEETING CALL A SPECIAL MEETING TO DO THAT. GO 613 OR IF COUNCIL SO WANTED I WOULD I WOULD ASK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE AN APPETITE. DO YOU WANT TO SPEED THIS UP AND DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, MEANING WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL PROBABLY THAT FRIDAY, WE WOULD NOTICE THE PUBLIC THAT THAT FRIDAY WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WHICH WOULD BE NEXT FRIDAY. SO COULD YOU MOVE THAT QUICKLY OR DO YOU NEED MORE TIME? WELL, WE'VE DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS THE SPECIFIC BALLOT LANGUAGE. I THINK IT NEEDS SOME FINE TUNING. SO WE'D BE WORKING WITH MR. HYDE ON THAT. BUT I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY. SO WE COULD MAKE NEXT FRIDAY WORK. ANYONE NOT AVAILABLE TUESDAY THE SIXTH. SIX. YEAH. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING IS WE'RE ALMOST BACK TO THE LAST PROPOSITION THAT PASSED THAT SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO MEET EVERY WEEK, BUT NOW WE'RE MEETING EVERY WEEK JUST VOLUNTARILY. SO IN ORDER TO TO DO THIS, I'M OKAY WITH MEETING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT FREQUENT AND NOT TRYING TO COMBINE IT BECAUSE BUDGET IS A HEAVY LIFT AND IT'S NICE TO NOT BE PUTTING OTHER THINGS INTO BUDGET. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS AVAILABLE ON THE SIXTH. THEN WE WOULD HAVE UNTIL THE SIXTH OR UNTIL THE NOTICE IN ORDER TO GET THIS LANGUAGE RIGHT AND TO CONTINUE TO HEAR COUNSEL'S PREFERENCE ON ORDER. AND ANY OTHER TITLES SPECIFICS. AFTERNOON. AFTERNOON. YES, SIR. SORRY. I'M GETTING A TEXT FROM MY WIFE ABOUT MY CALENDAR. I SAW THAT, YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S NOT THE SIXTH. OH. IS IT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN COUNCILMAN TIPPS QUITE SO DISTRAUGHT OVER A DECISION UP HERE AT THE DAIS. MAYBE WE DID GET IT ON THE SIXTH. YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD ON THE SIXTH. AND DOWN HERE. YES, SIR. I MEAN, YEAH, AND I KNOW THIS HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION, BUT DO WE ANTICIPATE TWO HOURS TO DISCUSS THIS? IS IT? I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE KIND OF NARROWING DOWN TO THE END. I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE, LIKE, A LONG DISCUSSION ON THIS. AGREED. I WOULD HOPE WE COULD DO THIS IN AN HOUR. QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE AN HOUR OUT OF YOUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, OR DO YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING TO COME TOGETHER? WELL, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD, AND I KNOW I'D RATHER NOT HAVE A MEETING ON ANOTHER DAY, BUT, I MEAN, IF WE COULD GET IT DONE ON THAT FRIDAY. [03:10:01] BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT ON THAT TUESDAY, I'M FINE. EITHER WAY. WE HAVE TIME ON THAT. I THINK WE CAN DO IT ON THAT FRIDAY. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO COST US SOMETHING. AND A RECAP AND IN BUDGET DISCUSSION, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE MUCH BETTER AT THE BUDGET DISCUSSION THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. AND SO PLUS, IF WE HAD TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME TIMELINE ON THE BUDGET THAT YOU DO ON THIS GUY. SO YOU'RE PRIORITIZING THIS ONE JUST IN CASE SOMETHING WENT WRONG. ANYBODY? NOT GOOD FOR PUTTING IT ON THAT FRIDAY. GREAT. WE ARE AT A CONSENSUS. WE WILL DO THIS ON FRIDAY. WHAT IS THAT THE SECOND OR IS THAT THE THIRD? SECOND? SECOND FRIDAY? THE SECOND WOULD ASK YOU TO BRING THIS BACK. AND THEN MR. HAWKINS, LET ME ASK YOU WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, MAN A'S AND B'S ALL PRETTY MUCH TOP TWO PRIORITIES. WE'VE GOT A C UP THERE THAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT A, B AND C ONE, TWO AND THREE. PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. D WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS KIND OF A HALF TWO. AND THEN ARE WE ARE WE GOOD TO LEAVE IT AT THAT COUNCIL. OR DID WE WANT TO STRETCH FOR GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. IS IT E THAT IS THE ONE. THE DISTRICT? YEAH. THE YEP. TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY. DO WE WANT TO PUT E OUT THERE. DO YOU WANT. WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO DECIDE TODAY. DO YOU WANT HIM TO BRING BACK THAT LANGUAGE AND GIVE YOU ANOTHER WEEK TO THINK THROUGH THAT ONE? MAYBE LISTEN TO YOUR CITIZENS FOR A WEEK, SEE WHO REACHES OUT. OR WE. OR DO WE WANT TO DIRECT HIM BASED ON THE FOR? I'D SAY GIVE US A WEEK TO LISTEN TO OUR CITIZENS. I LIKE IT. MR. HAWKINS, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU NEED FROM US? WE CAN DO A B C D E PRESENT IT TO THE COUNCIL. YOU CAN DECIDE AT THAT POINT WHETHER YOU WANT TO INCLUDE E ON THE BALLOT OR NOT. BUT WE'VE GOT A DRAFT NOW ON E, SO I THINK WE COULD FINE TUNE THAT AND HAVE SOMETHING BACK TO YOU IN PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE SECOND. SO ONE OTHER ITEM THAT I'D LIKE TO CATCH HERE I WOULD MOVE TO THE FOUR YEAR TERM AS MAYOR SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE THAT ONE. I WOULD ASK TO KEEP THE MAYOR AT A TWO YEAR TERM THIS FIRST GO ROUND. SO LET HIM STAGGER. LET ME STAGGER AT A TWO YEAR. AND THEN I WOULD ASK THAT WE, WE, WE LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL TWO POSITIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL FIVE AND SIX IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR YEAR TERMS FOR FIVE AND SIX. THOSE TWO NEW POSITIONS WOULD BE FOUR YEAR TERMS. I WOULD NEED TO KNOW IF, IF ANY COUNCILMAN WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THEIR POSITION TO A TWO YEAR AND DIRECT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND REARRANGE THAT CHART TO REFLECT THAT IN WHICH ONES WOULD BE MOVING TO A TO A TWO YEAR IN THIS NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, AND WHICH ONES WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO A FOUR? SO FIVE AND SIX. ARE WE ALL AGREED WE WOULD LIKE THOSE TWO NEW POSITIONS TO BE FOUR YEAR TERMS, CORRECT? IF THAT PASSES RIGHT. IF THAT PASSES, CORRECT. SO ASSUMING WE, WE, WE ADD TWO ADDITIONAL MEMBERS, THEY WILL BE FOUR YEAR TERMS. ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HOLDING THE MAYOR EVEN THOUGH HE WILL GO TO A FOUR YEAR, HE OR SHE WILL GO TO A FOUR YEAR. BUT THIS NEXT MAY WOULD BE A TWO YEAR TERM. AND, MR. MAYOR, SO THEN IN 2027, THE MAYOR WOULD BE A FOUR YEAR TERM, BE BACK UP IN 2027 AND WOULD THEN GO TO A FOUR YEAR TERM, BUT WOULD BE ON THAT FIRST CYCLE OF THOSE THREE INDIVIDUAL SUNNY, TWO OTHERS. I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL I'LL TAKE IT. I'LL TAKE WELL, LET ME LET ME JUST SAY THIS THOUGH I'M FIRST TO MANY I NOMINATE TOM FOR. DON'T EVEN KID YOURSELF. WELL, HERE'S THE THING. THIS IS IN NOVEMBER, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH. ELECTION. OKAY. I MEAN, TO BE FAIR, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION BY THEN. SO THAT'S ONE THING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE 2 OR 4 YEAR. BUT THE OTHER THING IS I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE OPEN FOR ANYBODY. I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE NO MATTER WHAT SEATS THAT ARE. I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN PLACE FOR PLACE ONE RIGHT NOW DOESN'T MEAN IF IF WHATEVER IT IS, I MEAN, WE WOULD CHOOSE WHICH ONES WE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE TWO NEW ONES. SO I MEAN, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A CHOICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AT THAT TIME AS TO WHETHER YOU AND IF IF BY DRAW OR BY BALLOT, WE JUST ASSIGN EACH ONE OF THESE. I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE WHATEVER IT IS. AND THEN EVERYBODY'S OPEN FOR RUNNING WHICHEVER ONE THEY WANT TO. SO I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THE MAYOR STICKING TO. OKAY. MUST BE IF I COULD CLARIFY WITH BRIAN, I THINK THAT THE TERMS WOULD BE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE. THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO BE IN THE CHARTER. [03:15:01] SO WE WOULD JUST SET IT UP WHERE WE'D HAVE CERTAIN NUMBER OF ELECTED IN 2025 FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, AS THE CHART DESCRIBES, AND A CERTAIN NUMBER THAT WOULD BE ELECTED FOR FOUR YEAR TERMS IN 2025, WHOSE TERM WOULD NOT EXPIRE UNTIL 2029. SO THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED BY ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR MY EDUCATION, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT WORKED OUT BY THE READING ON THE SECOND. NOW YOU'RE YOU CAN DO IT A NUMBER OF WAYS. YOU COULD DRAW LOTS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE COULD YOU COULD ACTUALLY ASSIGN THE NUMBERS AND PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE IF YOU WANTED TO. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT NUMBERS WILL GO TO FOR THE STAGGER. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO DO IT THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH OUTSIDE COUNSEL ON TO GET THAT DONE FOR YOU. OKAY. WELL THEN I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU WHAT YOU NEED AS A DIRECTIVE. YOU BRING THIS BACK ON THE SECOND WE COULD REVISIT THIS TOPIC. BUT IF WE'RE NO CLOSER TO KNOWING WHICH ONE OF US IS IS GOING TO GO TWO VERSUS FOUR, THEN WE WOULD LEAVE IT TO, AFTER THE NOVEMBER DISCUSSION, PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD DICTATE THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. MR. HAWKINS, I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS PRETTY PRODUCTIVE. WELL, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU THINK ARE THERE? IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TIGHTEN UP SOME LANGUAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE FOUR YEAR TERM FOR THE MAYOR, BUT DO THE ROTATION, AS YOU SUGGESTED. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. YOU'RE BACK ON THE SECOND. I WILL BE BACK ON THE SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE YOU. YOU DONE? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR. GREAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND. I BELIEVE WE ARE ACTUALLY THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. WOULD ASK IF ANYBODY HAS A REQUEST FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. [7.G. Request future agenda items and reports from City Manager] I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING, SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE DON'T I, I DO HAVE ONE ITEM THAT I'D LIKE TO PULL OFF ON CONSENT. SO I THINK WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS, COME BACK AND DO CONSENT QUICKLY, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE THROUGH NON CONSENT, TEN MINUTES. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU BOB. OH, YEAH. EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. SO WE GOT A COUPLE MORE TOPICS HERE. COUNCIL, WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEMS EIGHT. [8. Consent Items] ALL OF THE EIGHTS CONSENT ITEM OR CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO PULL OFF? NO, SIR. OKAY, I AM GOING TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION. ITEM EIGHT L AND THEN I'M GOING TO PUT IT BACK ON. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOMETHING HERE. SO I BELIEVE IF I COULD HAVE MRS STORRS MAYBE DISCUSS WITH US WHEREVER YOU'RE MOST COMFORTABLE, THERE OR OUT THERE. DOESN'T MATTER. YOU'RE GOOD RIGHT THERE. WE CAN SEE YOU. WE HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY. I HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY HAS AUDITED THE CITY OF AMARILLO FOR 22 YEARS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. AND SO I BELIEVE THE COMPANY'S BEEN BOUGHT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME COMPANY. AND I'M NOT EVEN QUESTIONING PERFORMANCE. I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE DOING A FINE JOB. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW. RIGHT. THE AUDIT COMES BACK AND IT'S CLEAR, AND WE GET A FIVE STAR AND WE JUST MOVE ON ON THIS ONE. I HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SAID, HEY, I'D LIKE TO NOT AWARD THAT. AND WE DON'T WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AT WHICH THE TIMING TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE AND, AND TO PUT OUT AN RFQ AND HIRE ANOTHER FIRM, IT WOULD REALLY CAUSE THE ORGANIZATION, I THINK SOME PROBLEMS INTERNALLY. SO HERE, HERE WAS THE, THE POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, AND I JUST NEED YOU TO TELL ME IF I'M MISLEADING ANY OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS RATHER THAN TRYING TO PULL THIS OFF AND SAY, HEY, LET'S HOLD OFF ON AWARDING THIS TO OUR CURRENT AUDITOR. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH THIS BEING THE CURRENT YEAR. BUT THEN LET'S GO TO MAYBE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH MR. DAWSON OR A FIRM LIKE HIS, WHERE IF WE DID HAVE REASON TO QUESTION SOMETHING ELSE, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, A PROCEDURE, WHATEVER WE LEAVE COUNCIL THE ABILITY. WHICH COUNCIL HAS THIS ABILITY. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO DO A SINGLE AUDIT. MRS. STORRS. AND I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW SINGLE AUDITS ARE ALREADY TAKING PLACE IN, YOU KNOW, SOME FORMS AND FASHIONS AND, AND FOR COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO AUDIT THIS DEPARTMENT OR WE'D LIKE TO LOOK DEEPER OVER HERE. WE DO HAVE UNIL WHO CAME WITH SOME VERY, YOU KNOW, HIGH MARKS HERE TODAY FROM SOMEBODY THAT I BELIEVE IS VERY WELL REPRESENTED IN THE DAWSON AGENCY. SO MRS STORRS WE WOULD THEN BE LOOKING AT THE NEXT YEAR, PUTTING THIS OUT FOR AN RFQ AND ALLOWING [03:20:05] COUNCIL AND OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS BEING PUT ON AND I DON'T BELIEVE. TELL ME IF YOU HAD ANYBODY ELSE LOOKING AT IT THIS YEAR OR IF THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A RE-UP. YEAH. SO AT THIS POINT WE WERE LOOKING BECAUSE WE HAD THIS OTHER AUDIT THAT WAS GOING ON. AND SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF SEE HOW WE GOT THROUGH THAT. AND AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR FOR AN AUDIT OF THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THEY WOULD HAVE TO START SOME SORT OF INTERIM WORK, PROBABLY LATE SUMMER OR EARLY FALL, TO GO THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS. WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AT LEAST A 90 TO 120 DAY TIME PERIOD. WE WOULD IF WE WENT WITH ANOTHER AUDIT FIRM. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AN AUDIT FIRM OUTSIDE THE CITY OF AMARILLO BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF OUR AUDIT. THE FIRM WE'RE WITH RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ONLY ONE LARGE ENOUGH DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ACQUIRED, I BELIEVE, OR MERGED OR SOMETHING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. SO THEY'RE MORE ON A NATIONAL SCALE NOW. THEY'RE THE ONLY LOCAL PRESENCE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO HANDLE AN AUDIT OF OUR SIZE. AND SO WHICH IS FINE. WE CAN WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT. THERE'S LOTS OF CAPABILITIES FOR REMOTE WORKING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT DOING A GOOD RFQ PROCESS WHERE WE ASK FOR QUALIFICATIONS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE STAFF, THEY HAVE THE TIMING TO FACILITATE OUR AUDIT. WE WOULD NEED PROBABLY 90 DAYS AT A MINIMUM, PROBABLY 120 DAYS. SO THE PLAN WAS AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE YEAR, WE WOULD GO OUT AND START AN RFQ IN THIS COMING SPRING AND LOOK TO BRING IT FOR AWARD IN EARLY SUMMER. WE MIGHT EVEN BACK IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND START IT IN KIND OF END OF WINTER, MAYBE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, TIME POINT. YEAH. AND I THINK WITH ELECTION BE IN MAY I THINK FOR THIS COUNCIL, WHAT I'M ASKING THEM TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING THE ABILITY TO SELECT POTENTIALLY THE, THE, THE AUDIT FIRM. BECAUSE I THINK STAFF HAS JUST MOVED ON THAT ALREADY AND WE DIDN'T REALIZE THE TIME FRAME. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD PROBABLY REACH OUT IN JANUARY RFQ WE COULD DO THAT, TRY TO GET THIS TO WHERE IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF OR I MEAN, THAT COUNCIL COULD AWARD IN MAY PRIOR TO THE ELECTION. OKAY. AND THEN THAT WAY WE HAVE A HAND IN IT MAY VERY WELL BE THE MOST QUALIFIED COMPANY. MAY NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO AUDIT US OUTSIDE. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CONTINUE WITH THIS UPFRONT TRANSPARENCY MODEL OF BE BEHOOVED TO DO A SINGLE AUDIT. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD FOR, FOR OUR STAFF TO KNOW AND TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT AND THAT THOSE ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING AUDIT, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS AUDIT ONLY LOOKS AT THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH OF THE ORGANIZATION. WHAT WE WOULD BE AWARDING TODAY, IT'S NOT A SINGLE AUDIT. IT DOESN'T DRILL DOWN TO PROCEDURES AND TO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE MAY BE NEEDED. AND MAYOR, IF I CAN CLARIFY JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND IT'S JUST A TERMINOLOGY, WE ACTUALLY, WITH OUR EXTERNAL AUDIT ANNUALLY DO RECEIVE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS A SINGLE AUDIT. AND THAT'S A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TERM. AND ANYONE THAT RECEIVES OVER 250,000 IN GRANT AWARDING EACH YEAR HAS TO GO THROUGH A SINGLE AUDIT. I MAY HAVE MY NUMBER WRONG JUST SLIGHTLY, BUT AND IT IS A REQUIREMENT WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES OF SPECIFIC GRANT PROGRAMS THROUGH THE YEAR, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY BROUGHT FORWARD. AND I KNOW IT'S JUST A TERMINOLOGY. YOU JUST HAPPEN TO USE THE EXACT SAME WORD THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USES FOR THAT. SO WE DO GET A SINGLE AUDIT EACH YEAR ALONG WITH OUR ANNUAL FINANCIAL AUDIT. BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT IS, WE COULD DO KIND OF A SEPARATE ENGAGEMENT WITH EVEN A DIFFERENT AUDIT FIRM. SOME AGREED UPON PROCEDURES. IF IF COUNCIL HAD AN AREA THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT, SPECIFICALLY A DEEPER DIVE INTO IT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY I MEAN, JUST LIKE THE PROP ONE AUDIT, WE COULD CERTAINLY COME INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH AN AUDIT FIRM ON THAT AND THEN LET THEM WORK THROUGH THAT AND THEN PRESENT THEIR RESULTS TO CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S GREAT. AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU CORRECTING KIND OF THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE VERBIAGE THAT'S WRONG, BECAUSE I THINK IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC IF WE DON'T. SO THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THAT. I'M I'M GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I MEAN, AS AN EXAMPLE, THE ARPA MONIES AND WHAT WAS THE TERM FOR THE, THE 19 MILLION PREVIOUSLY. IT'S ALL COVID RELATED. WHAT WAS THE. SO THERE WAS THERE WAS CARES ACT AND THERE WAS ARPA AS WELL. CARES AND ARPA. GREAT EXAMPLE OF AN ORGANIZATION LOOKING INTERNALLY AFTER ALL THIS BECAUSE MOST OF THAT MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT BY 25 OR 26, RIGHT? [03:25:06] YES. BY THE END OF, I BELIEVE, 2025. SO DO WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF 25 TO GO? OH, DANG, IT SHOULD HAVE HAD SOME CONTROLS IN PLACE. OR DO WE GO AHEAD AND LOOK NOW AFTER WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND WE SAY, HEY, LET'S GET IN FRONT OF THIS GUY AND LET'S LET'S LOOK AT ARPA MONIES. AND SO THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, I THINK THE WAY IN WHICH WE ARE JUST VOCALIZING IT, MOVING THIS FORWARD THIS WAY AND KEEPING THE BALANCE THERE WITH JUST ALL EYES ON DECK. SO IF I AM I SAYING ANYTHING ELSE THERE THAT YOU WANT TO CORRECT IN TERMINOLOGY? NO, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. I, I WILL SAY JUST BECAUSE YOU CALLED OUT CARES AND ARPA THEY ARE GRANT DOLLARS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY REQUIRED THEM TO GO THROUGH SINGLE AUDIT PROCEDURES THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT COUNCIL COULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER FIRM LOOK AT IT AS WELL, JUST KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE DOING SOMEWHAT SIMILAR PROCEDURES. BUT BEYOND GRANT DOLLARS OF ANY SORT THEN? YES, THAT IS I MEAN, IT IS LOOKED AT AT A, AT A HIGHER LEVEL, A MATERIALITY LEVEL. AND SO IF COUNCIL WANTED TO GET DOWN INTO THE MINUTE DETAILS OF IT IN AN AUDIT, THAT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE COULD WORK WITH A DIFFERENT FIRM ON. I LIKE IT. WELL, WE'RE WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO HERE. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S EVIDENT. AND IT'S GOOD BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION. SO ITEM EIGHT L I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR MRS. STORRS ON THIS ITEM? NO, NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO PUT EIGHT L BACK ON, AND I WOULD REQUEST A MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. NON CONSENT. [9.A. PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NO. 8143] ITEM NINE A IS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE MR. KENDRICK COMING DOWN HERE TO WALK US THROUGH THIS GUY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM IS A FIRST READING AND PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REZONING OF 4.29 ACRES OF LAND. AS A PORTION OF TRACT FIVE OF CR AUSTIN SUBDIVISION AND A PORTION OF TRACT FIVE K OF CR AUSTIN SUBDIVISION NUMBER THREE. THAT IS ALL LOCATED IN RANDALL COUNTY, TEXAS, IN THE VICINITY OF SCOTTIE DRIVE AND WRANGLER TRAIL, AND THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ONE TO MODERATE DENSITY DISTRICT, AND THE APPLICANT IS FIRM AND LAND SURVEYORS, INC. FOR B AND M EQUITIES, LLC, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS CHANGE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AT THIS MOMENT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SERIES OF DUPLEX AND TRIPLEX TRIPLEX STRUCTURES FOR A TOTAL OF 43 DWELLING UNITS, WHICH THAT WOULD COME OUT TO TEN UNITS PER ACRE AND IS NOTED AT MODERATE DENSITY, WOULD ALLOW FOR A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 24 UNITS PER ACRE IF APPROVED. IT IS NOTED THAT THE REQUEST WOULD NOT CONFORM WITH THE 2010 OR THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OR THE CONCEPTS OF DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDED BY THOSE GUIDING DOCUMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT CONCEPT, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, AND THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD SCENARIO. THE CASE WAS ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. ON JUNE 17TH, THE ITEM WAS TABLED AT THAT MEETING AS THE DEVELOPER AND HIS AGENT CAME TO THAT MEETING WITH THEIR INITIAL DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT THAT STAFF WAS SEEN FOR THE FIRST TIME, AS IT WAS NOT PROVIDED PRIOR TO THAT MEETING, SO P AND Z FELT THAT THE ITEM NEEDED TO BE TABLED SO THAT STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT WAS PROPOSED, WHICH IS ON YOUR SCREEN CURRENTLY. NOW. THAT'S THE CONCEPT THAT WAS BROUGHT AT THAT MEETING. AND IN THE CASE AT THE JULY 1ST MEETING, STAFF RECOMMENDED TO DENY THE REQUEST DUE TO THE REQUESTED ZONING, NOT CONFORMING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED BY MODERATE DENSITY, THE COMMISSION DID DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO POTENTIALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID VOTE FOR THE TWO TO RECOMMEND THE CASE FOR APPROVAL TO COUNCIL. AS PRESENTED AS THERE WERE CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TIME AND COST THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD INCUR IF DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT VERSUS THE CURRENT MODERATE DENSITY REQUEST. AND NOTICES WERE SENT AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, AND AS OF THIS MEETING WE HAVE RECEIVED 12 COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, AND I WILL SUMMARIZE THE THOSE COMMENTS NOW INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DENSITY ALLOWED WOULD BE TOO HIGH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS 24 PER ACRE AND WOULD RESULT IN A NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO EXISTING HOMES IN THE AREA. AN INCREASE IN DENSITY WITH MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, ACCORDING TO CALLERS IN AN AREA THAT DOES HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES ALREADY. [03:30:07] THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT COULD IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES NEGATIVELY. CONCERNS ABOUT THE GENERAL UPKEEP OF RENTAL PROPERTIES. POTENTIAL INCREASES IN CRIME. SOME SOME CALLERS NOTED THAT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THIS AREA IS AT CAPACITY, AND FOR FUTURE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT COULD MAKE THAT PROBLEM WORSE. CONCERNS THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL SPOIL THE NATURE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, ACCORDING TO CALLERS, AND CONCERNS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT BE HELD TO THE DRAFT PROPOSAL. AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED AS WELL AS, IF APPROVED WITH MODERATE DENSITY, THE DEVELOPER WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE HELD TO THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN DISPLAYED. HE COULD THEORETICALLY DECIDE HE WANTS TO DO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX INSTEAD. SO THAT IS A FACTUAL STATEMENT THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY THE CALLERS. I WILL ALSO MENTION THAT COMING INTO THIS MEETING TODAY, WE DID RECEIVE A PETITION FROM NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA SIGNED BY 24 PEOPLE. OUT OF THOSE, TEN OF THEM DID FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER AREA, WHICH IS THE GREAT SHADING ON YOUR MAP ON THE SCREEN NOW. AND STAFF WAS ABLE TO DO A A REVIEW OF THAT PETITION, AND THEY DID HIT THE THRESHOLD TO TRIGGER THAT. THIS WOULD REQUIRE A THREE FOURTHS MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE, TO VOTE, TO APPROVE THE ITEM, IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE IT. SOME, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HIT A MINIMUM OF 20%. THEY HIT 34% WITH THEIR PETITION. SO JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS A VERY RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DID. IT APPEARS WE HAVE RECEIVED A VALID PETITION ON THIS ONE TO TRIGGER THE THREE FOURTHS VOTE ON THIS. WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS. BRADY. DOES STAFF RECOMMEND THIS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS TO DENY THE REQUEST. THANK YOU. THREE FOURTHS VOTE WOULD REQUIRE FOUR OUT OF FIVE. VOTE IN FAVOR OF CORRECT THREE OUT OF FIVE. NOT GOING TO MEET THE MEASURE, RIGHT? OKAY. AND THAT'S THE PETITION. YES. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY SUBMITTED THAT VALID PETITION. THAT'S CORRECT. WAS IT VERIFIED BY STAFF? YES. OUR STAFF DID HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT BEFORE COMING TO THIS HEARING TODAY. AND BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS OF THE PROPERTY RECORDS IN THAT AREA AND THE ADDRESSES AND SIGNATURES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LISTED HAVE SIGNED IT, IT DOES APPEAR TO US TO BE VALID. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS COUNSEL. SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THE PETITION? SO BASICALLY THE GRAY SHADING ON THE MAP THEY HAVE TO THE, THE STANDARD IS THEY HAVE TO MEET A MINIMUM OF 20% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER AREA, WHICH IS THE GRAY SHADING ON THE MAP. 20% OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THAT HAS TO ESSENTIALLY PROTEST THE REQUEST. SO IF YOU HAVE ONE OWNER THAT OWNS THAT 20%, IT COULD JUST BE THAT PERSON. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE COMBINATIONS OF THOSE TEN SIGNATURES DID REPRESENT 34% OF THE LAND WITHIN THAT BUFFER. SO I JUST VERIFIED BY P AND Z DIDN'T GO TO THE CITY SECRETARY OR NOTHING LIKE THAT. STAFF STAFF REVIEWED THE DOCUMENT. BUT BEFORE COMING TO THIS HEARING TODAY AS WE RECEIVED IT JUST BEFORE CITY COUNCIL STARTED TODAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SIR. DID THE COMMISSION APPROVE IT? YEAH. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED FOR THE TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO YOU. ALL UNANIMOUS. OR WAS IT. WAS IT SPLIT? IT WAS A42 VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED FOR THE SAME THREE QUARTERS. NO. AND THAT THAT THAT PETITION REQUIREMENT ONLY APPLIES TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE PETITION CAME IN AFTER THAT VOTE, THOUGH, AND THAT'S ALSO A FACTOR IN THIS AS WELL, IS THAT IT CAME IN TODAY ACTUALLY. SO HOW MUCH TIME DID Y'ALL REALLY SPEND RESEARCHING THOSE DOCUMENTS? SO WE HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR A PROTEST TODAY. SO WE PRINTED OUT ALL THE PROPERTY RECORDS FOR THIS, FOR ALL THE OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT 200FT. SO AND DID THE HAD THE AREA CALCULATIONS ON HAND. SO ONCE WE HAD THE PETITION IN HAND, WE CROSS REFERENCED TO THOSE PROPERTY RECORDS FROM THE POTTER RANDALL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND JUST BASICALLY ADDED UP, OKAY, THIS ONE'S A PROPERTY OWNER. SO THEIR ACREAGE WOULD COUNT. AND THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT STAFF WENT THROUGH PRIOR TO THIS HEARING. OKAY. BRADY, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY SOLD, WAS IT THE CHURCH THAT OWNED IT TO THE SOUTH? YES, I BELIEVE TRINITY FELLOWSHIP OWNED THE PROPERTY AND SOLD TO THE THIS DEVELOPER. THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT WAS IT WAS REPLATTED AT THAT TIME FOR R-1. SO THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED R-1 AS IT WAS SOLD. [03:35:01] SO THIS IS THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT RELATED APPLICATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED REGARDING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WAS THERE EVER ANY STIPULATION UPON THE SELL OF THAT PROPERTY AT THAT TIME OR COMMITMENT MADE BY THE DEVELOPER THAT IT WOULD REMAIN R1, NOT THAT STAFF IS AWARE OF? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? SO WITH IMD IT'S POTENTIAL. IT COULD BE 102 TOTAL UNITS THERE. YES. IF YOU THEORETICALLY TRIED TO MAX THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE THE THEORETICAL MAXIMUM. IF YOU TAKE THE ACREAGE AND LOOK AT THAT MAXIMUM DENSITY, THAT WOULD BE THE THEORETICAL MAXIMUM FOR THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY, IF YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO GO TO TO MODERATE DENSITY, R1 ALLOWS FOR TOWNHOMES. SO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ONE IS OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH THE LARGEST MINIMUM BASELINE LOT SIZE. SO THAT WOULD BE A BASELINE LOT SIZE OF A MINIMUM OF 7500FT². YOU DON'T ACTUALLY GET THE TOWNHOMES UNTIL MODERATE DENSITY ITSELF. SO AT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOMES, THE FIRST DISTRICT IS MODERATE DENSITY. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THREE IS 5000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY LOT, SO OUR ONE IS OUR LARGEST BASELINE LOT SIZE FOR SINGLE FAMILY. HOW COME THEY DIDN'T DO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT? NOT SURE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. OKAY. THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE THE WAY FORWARD HERE. YOU WOULD YOU WOULD TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THE CONCERNS IF YOU HAD TO GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE YOUR DESIGN, PROPOSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD UNDER THAT PLAN. DEVELOPMENT. IN THIS SCENARIO, MODERATE DENSITY, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SHOWING A COUPLE DOTTED LINES, NOTHING WOULD REQUIRE ANY RESTRICTIONS OR BUILD OUTS TO BE HELD TO THAT. YOU COULD PUSH IT ALL THE WAY TO THE 102, CORRECT? RIGHT? YEAH. IF IT GETS APPROVED AS MODERATE DENSITY, THEORETICALLY THAT WOULD BE THEIR MAXIMUM UNIT COUNT. THEY COULD DO. WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS AND I'M LEARNING. SO WHAT WOULD BE STAFF'S OPINION IF WE WERE TO REFER THIS BACK TO P AND Z. SO RIGHT NOW COUNCIL IS WEIGHING ON LIKE FOR OR AGAINST. IS THIS SOMETHING I'M WILLING TO STRETCH ON? THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THAT. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO STAFF IF WE WERE TO REFER IT BACK TO P AND Z WITH THE ADVISEMENT OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE SEPARATE OPTION VERSUS GETTING A NO HERE. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE IT BACK TO PNC FOR RECONSIDERATION. WITH THAT REQUEST. YEAH, THAT THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. AND I THINK ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO START WITH A NEW CASE IF WE WERE MAYBE GOING TO PIVOT AND GO TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IS WHAT IS ULTIMATELY BEEN DISCUSSED AND DECIDED AMONG STAFF, IF THAT WAS WHAT THE ROUTE THIS WENT. AND JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE HISTORY OF KIND OF HOW WE ARRIVED HERE WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED. STAFF DID REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THROUGH HIS AGENT ABOUT DID WERE THERE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS AT THAT STAGE? AND. WELL, UP UNTIL ABOUT A DAY BEFORE P AND Z, THE ANSWER OF THE STAFF WAS NO, THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP ALL THEIR OPTIONS OPEN. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE OPERATING UNDER AS MAYBE IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD A LITTLE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS PLANNED SOONER, WE COULD HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT GONE DOWN THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ROUTE. BUT THE MULTIFAMILY OPTION WAS NOT PRESENTED TO US UNTIL THAT FIRST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING BY THE DEVELOPER VIA HIS AGENT. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE ARRIVED HERE TODAY WITHOUT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REALLY BEING CONSIDERED MUCH BEFORE THIS POINT. I SORT OF LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID. MAYBE WE NEED TO SEND IT BACK AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO GET TO WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CREATE SPLITS OR DIVIDES. AND I THINK WE'RE STILL EARLY ENOUGH IN THIS PROCESS. ON THESE ACREAGE, THIS AREA YOU CAN BUILD A LOT OF HOMES OR WHATEVER THEY'RE WITHOUT. AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE BEST UTILIZATION OF THE LAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYOR. IN FACT, I'D PUT IT IN A MOTION THAT WE SEND THIS BACK. SO PUBLIC HEARING WE, WE DO WANT TO LISTEN TO THOSE THAT MAY HAVE COME TO SPEAK, AND WE WANT TO HEAR ALL SIDES. HOWEVER BEFORE WE DO THAT I WOULD I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THAT POINT OF VIEW. I THINK THAT THE THE NOTION OF JUST TO REFER, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF STAFF, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WAS THERE WAS SOME WISDOM IN THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. KENDRICK? NOW, THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF THAT BOX. IS THAT THE SAME DEVELOPER? IT IS. AND THAT IS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT HE IS CURRENTLY DOING. [03:40:01] THAT WAS REZONED ABOUT ROUGHLY TWO YEARS AGO. BUT THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY. BUT YES, IT IS THE SAME DEVELOPER THAT IS DOING THAT LITTLE ADDITION THERE. THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DIRT IS WORKED UP ON THE SCREEN TO THE WEST THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. NO PROBLEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRADY? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HAVE ANYONE HERE TODAY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IF YOU'D RAISE YOUR HAND. I SAW MR. DAWSON. YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL JUST GO IN ORDER HERE AS WE WORK OUR WAY TO THE BACK. MR. DAWSON, YOU'RE FIRST. AND AS MR. DAWSON MAKES HIS WAY UP, WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU'LL PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND WE'LL GET YOU INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU. NO. DAWSON I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS. I AM ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS. AND I WANT TO NOTE, I'M ONLY SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF. I CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT I WANT TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE POINTS AS TO WHY I VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT. FIRST ONE Y'ALL PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF ZONING LAWS, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT REGARDING PROPERTY VALUES, I THINK THAT IT'S POOR POLICY FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO PROTECT INVESTMENTS. WE DON'T GO RUNNING TO THE GOVERNMENT TO EVERY TIME A COMPANY THAT WE OWN STOCK IN HAS A NEW COMPETITOR THAT STARTS UP. I THINK IT'S POOR POLICY TO VIEW HOUSING IN THE SAME WAY. WE SHOULDN'T BE BLOCKING NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS SIMPLY TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY VALUE OF EXISTING HOMEOWNERS. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, LONG TERM. PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC NEAR SCHOOLS IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I EVEN REMEMBER WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, IT WAS KIND OF THE TIPPING POINT WHERE IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 5050 WHETHER OR NOT YOU WALKED TO SCHOOL OR WERE DRIVEN TO SCHOOL, IT'S KIND OF GONE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION NOW WHERE MOST PEOPLE NOW DRIVE TO SCHOOL. AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T BUILD DENSITY NEAR SCHOOLS. SO NO ONE WALKS TO SCHOOL THESE DAYS. IT SEEMS LIKE I'M SURE THAT PROBABLY COUNCILMAN CHARLENE CAN REMEMBER BACK BEFORE WE INVENTED CARS AND EVERYONE DID. BUT THAT IS SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE LONG TERM, IF WE'RE WANTING TO GET OVER THE HURDLE OF HAVING TRAFFIC NEAR SCHOOLS, THE ANSWER IS TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS WHERE WE HAVE MORE DENSITY. NOW, IN REGARDS TO THEY COULD BUILD MORE DENSELY THAN WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED. I THINK A PART OF THAT IS SIMPLY A TRUST ISSUE. IT IS THIS DID ONLY PASS BY A NARROW MARGIN ON PLANNING AND ZONING. IF ONE SINGLE OTHER MEMBER WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THREE THREE. THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A MAJORITY. WE SHOWED THEM OUR TRUST ON THIS. IF THEY DECIDE TO NOT ACCEPT OUR TRUST, THAT COULD COMPLICATE RELATIONSHIPS. I THINK WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. AGAIN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. ONE OTHER FINAL THING. IN REGARDS TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT I WILL NOTE THAT THE DEVELOPERS AS THEY WERE SPEAKING TO US IN PLANNING ZONING, NOTED A HESITANCY TO DO THAT ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T WANT TO DEVIATE FROM THAT, ANY LITTLE CHANGE WITH THAT WOULD CREATE LARGE DELAYS. IN TERMS OF IT. IT'S NOT JUST A DELAY IN TERMS OF SETTING UP PLAN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUT GOING FORWARD, ACTUALLY BUILDING IT ADDS EXTRA HURDLES THERE. THEY MAY BE OPEN TO DOING IT IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT ON THERE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHY WE ULTIMATELY OR AT LEAST WHY I PERSONALLY, I FELT LIKE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WASN'T THE WAY TO GO. APPRECIATE YOU ATTENDING THE MEETING. IT IS GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THAT. BEING A MEMBER OF THE PNC. DID I HAVE A HAND UP RIGHT BEHIND? YES, SIR. MR. MOODY. I'M DAVID MOODY. I LIVE AT 8209 SANTA FE, WHICH IS JUST A HAIR OUTSIDE OF THE GRAY AREA THAT HE MENTIONED. BUT WHEN WE DID THE PREVIOUS. DEAL WITH THIS DEVELOPER, IT WAS PROMISED TO US A LOT OF THINGS. ONE, THAT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO DIRT STORMS. WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO AREAS OF MUD AND DEBRIS THAT IS WASHED OUT OF [03:45:06] THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. AND IT WAS PROMISED US TO THEY WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. WE WERE PROMISED A LOT OF THINGS. THEY CHANGED THEIR MINDS. THEY WENT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND I WOULD NOT THINK THAT THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME. IF THEY SAY THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO PUT IN 41 UNITS, THEY MAY DECIDE TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN 120. AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED, SCOTTY IS THE ONLY STREET THAT GOES DIRECTLY BETWEEN WESTERN AND BELL AND THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA, ESPECIALLY DURING SCHOOL. THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY ON A SATURDAY FROM 9 TO 3 AND DETERMINED THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS NOT A PROBLEM. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT KIDS DON'T WALK TO SCHOOL ANYMORE. IF YOU COME OUT THERE DURING SCHOOL, THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS THAT WALK FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO JEAN HOWE AND RIDE THEIR BICYCLES, AND ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IS ONLY GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THOSE KIDS GETTING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. MOODY. YES, SIR. IF YOU HAD YOUR HAND RAISED, PLEASE COME UP. IF YOU'LL GIVE US YOUR NAME, PLEASE. MY NAME IS GARY WILCOX. I LIVE AT 4303 SCOTTY. I DO LIVE WITHIN THE GRAY ZONE. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE 38 YEARS. IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I HAVE TAKEN A NUMBER EIGHT VEHICLES TO THE BODY SHOP THAT HAVE BEEN RUN OVER ON SCOTTY STREET, AND I WASN'T EVEN IN THEM. THE LAST VEHICLE, THE GUY HIT IT AT 30 MILES AN HOUR AND IT DROVE IT 12FT UP INTO MY YARD. TOTALED IT COST ME ALMOST $15,000 TO GET OUT OF THAT DEAL. TRAFFIC. I HAVE WATCHED IT. WHEN THEY BUILT RANDALL HIGH SCHOOL, IT INCREASED. WHEN THEY FINISHED THE LOOP. IT INCREASED A LOT BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY THROUGH STREET, SO TRAFFIC IS A HUGE ISSUE. I'VE LOST MY MAILBOX. THE MIRROR IS OFF OF MY TRUCK. IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. THE THE DRAINAGE. I LEARNED IN GEOLOGY THAT THE GOOD LORD GIVES US MOISTURE. HE DOESN'T CAUSE FLOODS. WE CAUSE THE FLOODS BECAUSE WE BUILD ASPHALT AND CONCRETE ON TOP OF THE DIRT THAT HE GAVE US TO ABSORB THAT RAINWATER. SO I'VE ALREADY HAD WATER IN MY GARAGE LIKE SIX TIMES FROM THE FLOODS JUST ON SCOTTIE STREET. THE PROPERTY TAXES. I'M RETIRED. I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY PROPERTY VALUATION. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S. PLACE TO RESTRICT THAT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE OVERSIGHT OF THAT. SO I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS, THIS THING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST COME DOWN THE ROW HERE. DID I HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS SAMUEL GUTIERREZ. I LIVE ON WRANGLER STREET, AND I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS BAD ON SCOTTY. AND I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD AN ACCIDENT. YOU KNOW, KID GOT, YOU KNOW, BEEN RUN OVER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE SPEED LIMIT IS 30 MILES AN HOUR, AND I CAN GUARANTEE NOBODY DRIVES 30 MILES AN HOUR EXCEPT ME, BECAUSE MY WIFE HITS ME ON THE HEAD, SAYS, YOU GOT TO GO 30 MILES AN HOUR. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 36 YEARS ON SCOTTY. I MEAN, ON WRANGLER, AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN 2000 TO TRY TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE. BUT AT THAT TIME, OUR KIDS STARTED COLLEGE AND WE BECAME EMPTY NESTERS. SO I DECIDED NOT TO MOVE. AND I AGREE THAT IT'S A QUIET AREA. I'M OPPOSED. I'M CONCERNED THAT A DEVELOPER COMES IN. I BELIEVE I BELIEVE IN CAPITALISM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO EARN MONEY, BUT A DEVELOPER COMES IN LATER ON. HE DECIDES THAT HE WANTS TO SELL IT TO A CORPORATE ENTITY OUTSIDE OF TOWN. [03:50:03] OR EVEN THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE. AND I ASKED BRADY, I CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT WOULD BECOME GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING? SO I GUESS ONLY THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. MA'AM, IF YOU'D COME FORWARD. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MAYOR. MY NAME IS MELANIE CAMBON. I LIVE OFF OF CARMEL STREET, SO I AM WHERE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS. AND HOW WE GOT NOTICE ABOUT THIS WAS THROUGH A NEIGHBOR. I AM THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THESE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE NOBODY HAS HAD NOTICE. AND SOME OF THESE SENIOR CITIZENS DO NOT HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCESS, DO NOT GET ON INTERNET. THEY WERE NOT NOTIFIED. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT GETTING HELP SO THAT THEIR COMMUNITY IS PROTECTED. SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD 132 VOTES AGAINST THE REZONING OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON, WHICH IS R-1, AND IT HAS BEEN REZONED TO R-3. WE ARE GOING ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT IS WHERE THE TWO FARMHOUSES ARE. THEY'RE THE ORIGINAL FARMHOUSES THAT WERE TO THE LAND. THAT WAS ALL THERE BEFORE THESE HOUSES WERE DEVELOPED. WE ARE GOING FROM R1 DOWN TO R2, R3 AND DOWN TO MODERATE DENSITY. THERE ARE 43 UNITS THAT ARE PROJECTED TO BE ON THERE. WITH THE 117 PARKING SPOTS. THESE UNITS WILL BE BACKED UP TO THE MOBILE HOME COMPLEX THAT IS GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT PROPERTY OFF OF WESTERN THAT ENTERS AND WESTERN AND EXITS OUT WESTERN. THOSE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 38 YEARS, 20, 20 YEARS TO 38 YEARS PLUS FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED FROM THEM. THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IS ONE, THE DRAINAGE THAT'S GOING FROM THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DOWN THROUGH TRINITY'S PROPERTY. IT'S GOING ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH BY LAW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DRAIN ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE ENTRANCE IS FROM SCOTTIE GOING INTO THIS NEW COMPLEX, AND IT EXITS OUT THROUGH TRINITY'S PRIVATE DRIVE. TRINITY DOES NOT WANT ANYBODY DRIVING ON THEIR PRIVATE DRIVE UNLESS IT'S GOING TO CHURCH AND OUT OF CHURCH. THEY HAVE LET'S SEE THE CAPACITY FOR THE SCHOOL. GENE HALL IS FULL. THEY HAD TO BRING IN TWO PORTABLE BUILDINGS LAST YEAR IN ORDER TO COMPENSATE FOR THE CHILDREN. THEIR THEIR MY KIDS WERE FORCED TRANSFERRED TO SEND DOWN THE FIRST YEAR WE WERE THERE AND THE OTHER ONE WAS FORCED TRANSFERRED TO CITY VIEW, SO WE COULDN'T EVEN GET INTO OUR SCHOOL. WHERE WE LIVE, THERE ARE NOT CROSSING GUARDS AT THE STREETS WHERE THE KIDS WALK. A LOT OF KIDS WALK HOME FROM RANDALL HIGH SCHOOL AND FROM GENE HALL TO THEIR HOMES. THE OTHER THING IS THAT LET'S SEE, PEOPLE HAVE GROWN UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND MOVED BACK TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A TIGHT COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY WATCHES OUT FOR EVERYBODY, AND EVERYBODY'S CLOSE TOGETHER. THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BECOME SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, AND IT'S CROWDING THAT AREA. AND WE ALREADY HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM. THE STATE PUT A STOP ON THE DRAINAGE FOR THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO DRAIN TO THE NEW BRIDGE OFF OF WESTERN. AND WE STILL HAVE A DRAINAGE ISSUE BECAUSE RETAINER WALLS ARE NOT BEING BUILT ON THESE PROPERTIES. THE MUD IS LIKE MUCK. AND SO WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS WE'RE TRYING TO JUST WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY BUILDING. IT'S JUST BE CREDIBLE AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH YOU AND JUST BE CREDIBLE. BY YOUR WORD. IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, FOLLOW THROUGH AND WE'LL HAVE TRUST. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGE AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT 102 UNITS THERE AND CHANGE IT AFTER IT'S APPROVED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY MA'AM, IF YOU COME FORWARD. HI, I'M PAULA LAWRENCE, 8204 LAREDO. NOT IN THE 200FT, BUT WE HAVE A FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO PEACEFUL. FRIENDLY. WE HAD OUR HOUSE BUILT IN 1978 AND ONE OF THE FIRST ONES ON THE STREET. IT'S A SHORT STREET. IT GOES ON TO SCOTTISH STREET. THERE'S NO OTHER DIRECT EXIT. IF WE GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, WE HAVE TO ZIGZAG TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND A LOT OF THE STREETS ARE THE SAME. WRANGLER GOES RIGHT ON TO SCOTTIE. SO I KIND OF DID SOME MATH. THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S A PROPOSED I ROUNDED TO 40 HOUSES, TWO CARS, A HOUSE THAT'S 80 MORE VEHICLES. [03:55:09] AND I WAS MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHOOL AREA BECAUSE THEIR EXIT IS CARMEL OR SCOTTIE. SO NOW THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACCESS ROAD PLAN THAT I CAN SEE, BUT AT THE ONLY PLACE I CAN SEE IS SCOTTIE. SO IF THEY GO UP TO 100 UNITS AND THAT'S TWO CARS PER UNIT, THAT'S 200 MORE CARS. SO NOW WE HAVE 280 CARS EITHER GOING ON TO SCOTTY OR KAMAL. AND I JUST THINK THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. AND I AM CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT MY PROPERTY VALUES. I'M RETIRED. FIXED INCOME IN A WIDOW. SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME, SO I JUST HOPE YOU CAN CONSIDER THE THIS SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND I GUESS I SHOULD SAY GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DONNA BESSIE. I LIVE AT 8208 LAREDO TRAIL, AND I AM WITHIN THE 200FT. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE APARTMENTS TO BE BUILT OVER THERE, IF THEY ARE TO BE BUILT OVER THERE. AND I MANAGED APARTMENTS FOR A LONG TIME AND I KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. IT WILL BE A TRASHY AREA THERE. THE CRIME RATE WILL GO UP AND THE TRAFFIC WILL BE FROM THE APARTMENTS, THE NEW HOMES, OUR AREA AND THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND I KNOW MY PROPERTY VALUE. IF WE HAVE APARTMENTS OVER THERE, MY PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO DOWN. I'VE LIVED IN THAT AREA FOR 17 YEARS AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT SAFE. I'M ALMOST 80 YEARS OLD AND I DON'T WANT TO FEEL UNSAFE AND I'M AFRAID THAT WILL HAPPEN IF APARTMENTS GO IN OVER THERE. SO THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU MA'AM. YES. MY NAME IS PEGGY GREEN. I LIVE AT 8210 LAREDO TRAIL. I'M RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF SCOTTIE AND LAREDO. IT'S A DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. AND WE ALREADY DEAL ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THAT BEING A HIGH TRAFFIC STREET. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW STREETS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S A THROUGH STREET THAT PARENTS USE TO TRANSPORT THEIR CHILDREN TO AND FROM SCHOOL. I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS THE LITTLE PRIVATE DRIVE FROM TRINITY FELLOWSHIP. THE TRAFFIC THERE HAS TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE ON SERVICE DAYS JUST TO DIRECT TRAFFIC. BUT MY CONCERN IS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SINGLE DWELLING HOMES BEING DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA ACROSS THE STREET. BUT MY PROBLEM IS THE APARTMENT DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX THAT WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN NORMAL TRAFFIC. ADD TO IT. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW OUR. I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR 45 YEARS AND OUR OUR COMMUNITY IS AN OLDER, ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY. WE WE DO HAVE CHILDREN WALKING HOME FROM JEAN HALE ELEMENTARY. WE HAVE CHILDREN RIDING BICYCLES. WE EVEN HAVE SCHOOL BUS THAT COMES DOWN, SCOTTY EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, LOADED WITH FULL OF SCHOOL CHILDREN. AND I JUST THINK THE IMPACT OF HAVING AN APARTMENT OR DUPLEX ARRANGEMENT OVER THERE IS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT [04:00:10] A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION AND COMPLICATE OUR TRAFFIC OVER THERE EVEN WORSE. PLUS, I DO THINK IT WILL AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT SET UP FOR THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT DOESN'T EVEN CONFORM WITH THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE AND THAT WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE. WE'RE THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GETS TO KNOW EACH OTHER. WE WATCH EACH OTHER'S PROPERTY WHEN ONE'S ON VACATION. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET. THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN AND OUT OF THOSE COMPLEXES. YOU KNOW, SIX MONTH OR YEAR LEASES. IT. THEY JUST CAN'T BE IN THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. HELLO, GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS BILLY EDWARDS. I LIVE AT 8206 LAREDO. AND I CAN'T ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID. IT'S ALL TRUE. WE ALL CAME TO YOU GUYS FOR AN ISSUE TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO LET THIS GUY DO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO. AND LIKE I SAY, IT'S FOR THE FIRST GUY THAT TALKED. I DIDN'T HEAR AN ADDRESS. HE PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN LIVE OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF HE HAS AN OPINION, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE GOT IT FROM, AND HE PROBABLY HAS A TEAR OVER BIDEN NOT BEING ABLE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. I DID NOT VOTE FOR BIDEN. PLEASE, PLEASE ORDER, ORDER! YOU'RE WAY OUT OF ORDER. WRITE AN EDITORIAL IF YOU GOT. NO. I'M KIDDING. ANYONE ELSE OVER HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. YES, SIR. IF YOU COME UP. DUSTIN DAVIS WITH GDI. I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THE ONE TO THE WEST TWO. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I CAN ANSWER THOSE. BUT MOSTLY I'M HERE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND, A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT TO HOW HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. THIS ORIGINALLY WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF AS A MULTIFAMILY MF1, I BELIEVE. REZONING REQUEST. AFTER CONFERRING WITH STAFF, THEY ASKED US IF WE'D BE AGREEABLE. AND I SAY US THE DEVELOPER. I'M NOT THE DEVELOPER. I'M JUST HIS AGENT FOR THIS MEETING. ASKED IF WE'D BE WILLING TO GO DOWN TO MDE, AND WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, YES, WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. SO WE SUBMITTED IT AS MD. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS SOME SOME PUSHBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THEN STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL AT THE P AND Z MEETING. THE FIRST PNC MEETING AT THAT TIME, AT THAT MEETING IS WHEN P AND Z, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND NOAH MIGHT REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, ASKED IF WE WOULD PRESENT A LAYOUT OF WHAT WAS PLANNED TO DO, AND AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN. BUT IN THAT TIME WE DEVELOPED A PLAN SHOWING SOME SOME DUPLEXES ON ON THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WE BROUGHT THAT BACK TO STAFF, WHICH PRESENTED THAT TO P AND Z AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND THAT'S WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, FORWARDED TO AT THAT MEETING. SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT OF THAT. WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LOGICAL PROGRESSION FROM YOU START AT WESTERN STREET AND YOU GO TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A HIGHER DENSITY INTO A MODERATE DENSITY INTO SINGLE FAMILY. THAT'S THE NORMAL PROGRESSION OF MOST DEVELOPMENT. AND I DON'T AND I'LL TELL YOU GUYS WHAT I TOLD PNC, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT PLANNING STAFF HAS TOLD YOU. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT TWO THINGS? WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT CURRENTLY THAT WE CAN GO DO DUPLEXES THAT PROHIBITS MULTIFAMILY, PROHIBITS APARTMENTS. THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT CURRENTLY IS PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. AND MAYOR, I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH A PD PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF YOU GUYS HAVE. IT'S NOT FUN AND IT'S YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO GO DESIGN THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND THEN BRING IT TO PNC AND HAVE THEM POTENTIALLY DENY IT. SO THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT IS PROBABLY IN THE MAGNITUDE OF $50,000. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GO PD INITIALLY TO GIVE YOU SOME SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT ALSO. [04:05:04] SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE DEVELOPER SIDE. FROM THE TECHNICAL SIDE, ANYTHING THAT I CAN. I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE CLEAR ON HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND WHAT THEIR INTENT IS. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, DUSTIN. AND WE MAY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DAVIS? IS THAT DRAWING STILL ACCURATE AS TO WHAT Y'ALL ARE PLANNING ON DOING, OR ON THE DEVELOPER? AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT TOLD ME ANYTHING ANY DIFFERENT. THEY DID ONE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS IN CANYON AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO DO THE SAME THING HERE. THEY THINK IT WOULD FIT HERE. AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA CONTEXT, THE SINGLE FAMILY ROUTE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM HERE. SO IF YOU LEAVE THE LOT TO ITSELF AND YOU PLOT THAT LOT, YOU GET ONE HOUSE. WE COULD TRY TO GO IN AND DEVELOP IT, BUT THAT'D MEAN A PUBLIC STREET. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH WIDTH THERE TO PUT IN A STREET AND TO GET LOTS ON EACH SIDE. SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO MODERATE DENSITY ROUTE AND KEEP IT AS ONE SINGLE LOT. THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO IN THE WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL LOT VERSUS A, A RESIDENTIAL LOT. WE CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER AND NOT HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC STREETS, PUBLIC ALLEYS, THOSE THINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. DOESN'T TELL US WHAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING. THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF IT. TELL US WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE. LET'S SAY YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO STRETCH ALL THE WAY TO A PD, BUT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR WOULD BE A COMMITMENT. WHAT OTHER WHAT OTHER MECHANISM ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT MIGHT BE THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME RESTRICTION OF SOME SORT, THAT WOULD GIVE COUNCIL SOMETHING TO WHERE WE WOULD KNOW IT WOULDN'T BECOME THE 102. THE ONLY THING THAT'S OUT THERE IS DEED RESTRICTIONS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE DEED RESTRICTIONS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I'M AWARE OF. SO IF YOU DID THE DEED ROUTE, YOU WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESSES OFF OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE. SO WE WE DREW THAT UP AS JUST A WAY WE THINK IT WOULD FIT WELL. AS FAR AS I KNOW HE HAS NOT HAD CONVERSATIONS DIRECTLY WITH TRINITY YET. WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE, SEE IF THE ZONING WAS GOING TO GET APPROVED BEFORE WE STARTED THAT PROCESS. SO REALLY, ONE OF THE DRIVES IS OFF OF SCOTTY AND ONE OF THE DRIVES IS OFF OFF OF TRINITY'S PRIVATE DRIVE. BUT YOU YOU HAVE AN ACCESS AGREEMENT FOR THAT. NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IS HE HAS NOT STARTED THAT CONVERSATION YET BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING WAS APPROVED BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. OTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. SO SO GO AHEAD. THERE MAY BE AN AGREEMENT THERE. I COULD I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE THERE IS AN ACTUAL DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTS. DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS AN AGREEMENT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU KNOW, DID P AND Z PASS THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WOULD WORK HERE. YOU'VE GOT SOME OBSTACLES. WE'LL ALLOW IT FORWARD. Y'ALL GO FIGURE IT OUT AND MAKE SURE IT IT WORKS LIKE, DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER STEPS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GET DONE. YES. AND THERE'S IS PROCEDURAL NOT NECESSARILY FINAL IN THEIR OPINION BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS OFF OF SCOTTY CURRENTLY. THAT'S CORRECT. UNLESS YOU YOU HAVE AN AGREED ACCESS POINT, THEN WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED WOULDN'T ACTUALLY WORK. IT MAY NOT WORK BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER OBSTACLES WE HAVE TO OVERCOME. WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS. I'VE STILL GOT TO PLAT THE PROPERTY. I'VE STILL GOT TO DO A DRAINAGE REPORT ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH MAY REQUIRE DETENTION, MAY REQUIRE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. WE HAD TO DO THAT ON THE WEST SIDE. SO WE HAD TO DO A PRELIMINARY PLAN. WE HAD TO DO CONSTRUCTION PLANS. WE HAD TO GET DRAINAGE REPORT. WE HAD TO GET A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. I KNOW ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID THAT WE'RE A DRAINAGE ACROSS DRAINAGE ACROSS TRINITY'S PROPERTY, AND WE ARE, BUT WE HAVE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT FROM TRINITY THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT LEGALLY. SO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS ON THIS ONE. ALSO. YEAH. YOUR CURRENT DRAINAGE EASEMENT ALLOWS FOR NATURAL FLOW. NOT NOT AFTER YOU'VE MODIFIED IT. CORRECT? NO. OH IT WOULD IT WOULD ALLOW FOR IMPROVED PROPERTY WITH ON THE WEST PROPERTY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN UPDATED STUDY TO HAVE AN UPDATED DRAINAGE EASEMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS PROPERTY. YES. SO I THINK WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT HERE IS IT'S KIND OF BEING BROUGHT TO US LIKE LIKE WE'RE THE FINAL SAY. AND YOU KNOW, IF WE ALLOW IT, IT MOVES FORWARD. I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PD ROUTE, THAT IS PRETTY LABOR INTENSIVE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. BUT IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WOULD BE ANSWERED THROUGH A PD, AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO GO THAT LONG ROUTE AROUND THIS ANYWAY TO GET THIS ONE DONE. EVEN IF YOU EVEN IF YOU WENT TO MD. YES, BUT WE KNOW IF IT GOES TO MD, WE KNOW WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE THE ZONING IS TAKEN CARE OF. [04:10:05] IF THE ZONING IS NOT TAKEN CARE OF AND WE GO THE PD ROUTE, WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. AND P AND Z OR CITY COUNCIL CAN STILL DENY IT. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. IT'S THAT THAT MIDDLE KIND OF ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T EXIST IS IS, IN MY OPINION, WHERE THE WHERE THE ISSUE IS. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. DAVIS. VERY HELPFUL HAVING YOU HERE, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, I WILL JUMP AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE AND SPEAKING ON THIS. I THINK YOU HAVE A COUNCIL THAT'S TRYING TO TO LISTEN AND LEARN. LOOK AT THIS FROM ALL ANGLES. COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION? THE ONLY THING I'M BRADY IS ARE WE WORKING ON ANYTHING TO HAVE THAT IN BETWEEN? LIKE HE WAS STATING. YEAH. YES. GOOD QUESTION. SO THROUGH THE CITY PLAN PROCESS THAT YOU ALL JUST APPROVED AND ADOPTED, IT IS IDENTIFIED THAT THAT IS INDEED AN ISSUE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT AS STAFF TO POTENTIALLY BRING TO YOU ALL FOR A FUTURE CODE AMENDMENT, MAYBE ADDING LIKE A A STEP BETWEEN THAT SINGLE FAMILY OR THREE AND MODERATE DENSITY, ADD SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE THERE. I WILL SAY, IN FACT, BACK IN THE 90S AND 2000, THE CITY IN R3 ACTUALLY DID USE TO ALLOW FOR DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES. BUT THEN BACK IN THE EARLY 2000, THAT WAS CHANGED TO WHERE R3 BECAME EXCLUSIVELY SINGLE FAMILY AND DID MODERATE DENSITY WAS THE FIRST DISTRICT WHERE YOU COULD GET THOSE LIKE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND ATTACHED TOWNHOMES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL PROBABLY LIKELY BECOME COMING TO YOU ALL IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE AS A POTENTIAL NEW ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE WILL BE PROPOSING. SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS. GO AHEAD. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND THIS BACK TO P AND D. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND WE REALLY CAN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING. WE HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS OUT THERE. I COULDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING UNLESS WE HAD ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS. SO I'M MAKING A MOTION. LET ME CLARIFY THE MOTION. MOTION WAS MADE TO REFER BACK TO PD. MOTION WOULD BE AMENDED TO REFER BACK TO PNC. CORRECT. AND THEN TO LOOK FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. CLARIFICATION ON ACCESS FOR PROPOSED PLAN AS DRAWN. CAN I AMEND IT THAT WAY? YES, SIR. OKAY. FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OKAY, I HAVE A SECOND. ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS GUY? JUST CONFIRM THAT SOMETHING PNC CAN DO THAT AMENDED MOTION. I THINK ULTIMATELY, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO RE NOTIFY AND ESSENTIALLY RESTART THE CASE EVEN WHEN WE SEND IT BACK DOWN TO P AND Z, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE P AND Z WAS THINKING ABOUT AMENDING OR ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE ON PIVOT TO A PD. SO BUT FROM WHAT STAFF HAS LOOKED AT, I THINK ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO START TO NOTICE, PROCESS AND START EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH IF YOU WILL. SO THAT'S STAFF'S TAKE ON POTENTIALLY SENDING IT BACK TO P AND Z NOT ASKING FOR A VOTE HERE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE COUNCIL PROBABLY WOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS IF WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS REFERRAL. SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITIES AND ALL THE UNKNOWNS WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THE SHORTEST ROUTE POSSIBLE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE MORE WORK. YES, SIR. I JUST BELIEVE I MEAN, YOU'RE HEARING EVERYTHING, THAT THE RESIDENTS NEED SOME GUARANTEES. IT IS A LITTLE WORRISOME THAT YOU GUYS CAN COME IN THERE AND THEN CHANGE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY IS THEY. AND WHETHER IT'S FIXABLE HERE THAT WE CAN DO IT AT THE CITY OR SOMEHOW OR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOME GUARANTEES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. SO TO MAYOR'S POINT, I THINK IT'S A IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON THIS AS IS, IT'S NO. AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GREAT. RIGHT. BUT IF IT CAN BE KICKED BACK AND WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE FORWARD. AND I'LL JUST ADD IF YOU WERE TO VOTE NO ON MODERATE DENSITY, THAT DOES NOT PREVENT THEM FROM COMING BACK THROUGH P AND Z WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD THAT IN THERE AS WELL. SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THAT MOTION TO REFER WITH A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES TO REFER IT BACK DOWN TO P AND Z. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. WE MIGHT WANT STAFF TO DO A TRAFFIC SURVEY ON SCOTTIE STREET WHEN SCHOOL STARTS, BECAUSE EVIDENTLY [04:15:06] THERE'S A PROBLEM OVER THERE ON SCOTTY AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. THEY HAVE ONE OF THE CHAIRS. OKAY. OKAY. ONE MORE COMMENT. COUNCILMAN. NO. OKAY. ITEM NINE B THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOU HANGING IN FOR A LONG MEETING. ITEM NINE B, MR. [9.B. CONSIDER AWARD - CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR FY23/24 STREET MAINTENANCE PROJECT] SNYDER. JOHN WARD. SOME CONSTRUCTION FOR SOME STREETS. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS AWARD OR PROPOSED AWARD OF OUR 2324 SUMMER STREET MAINTENANCE PROJECT. AND. GREAT. THIS PROJECT WE'RE PROPOSING AN AWARD TO INTERMOUNTAIN SLURRY SLURRY SEAL IN THE AMOUNT OF ABOUT $7.6 MILLION. THIS FUNDING WOULD BE FROM OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR STREETS. AND THAT DISCUSSION FROM PREVIOUS. WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE THE PROP ONE DOLLARS. THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS, IS PREVENTIVE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING RESURFACING ON APPROXIMATELY 11 MILES OF ARTERIAL STREETS AND 31 MILES OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS. THE. THERE'S A MAP OF THE ARTERIAL STREETS. I'M SORRY, THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE AND READ, BUT BUT THE BREADTH OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SPREAD OUT ALL OVER THE CITY. AND SO IT WAS HARD TO GET ALL ON ONE MAP. BUT THOSE GREEN LINES, IF YOU CAN SEE THOSE THE BEST AND I CAN GET YOU A DIFFERENT MAP TOO, IF WE NEED TO, BUT IT'S KIND OF SPREAD OUT ALL OVER THE CITY FOR THE ARTERIALS. THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THOUGH, IS A LITTLE MORE A LITTLE MORE CONDENSED. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT JUST IS KIND OF THE NEXT IS ON THE CYCLE OF RESURFACING. BUT LIKEWISE, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MATERIAL WE'RE USING FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THIS IS THE RIGHT FIX FOR THE RIGHT PROBLEM. AND SO I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT MORE IF YOU'VE GOT MORE QUESTIONS. BUT IN GENERAL THIS IS A PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PROJECT. THE THE GOAL IS TO PUT RESURFACING MATERIAL ON THESE ROADWAYS THAT WILL PROLONG THEIR LIFE, PROLONG THE LIFE OF EXISTING ASSETS AND STREETS, DELAY THE MORE EXPENSIVE RECONSTRUCTION TYPE ALTERNATIVES. WE'RE GOING TO USE TWO SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR PRODUCTS. THEY'RE A MICRO SURFACING PROJECT AND A CAPE SEAL PRODUCT. THE MICRO SURFACING IS I'VE DESCRIBED IT AS THINK EPOXY TYPE, PART A, PART B THAT KIND OF GETS MIXED TOGETHER AND SLURRIED AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT IT DOWN IT SETS UP. IT SETS UP AS A, AS A HARDER SURFACE. IT DOES HAVE THE MICRO ROCKS. SO LITERALLY THINK OF JUST JUST SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN A SAND TYPE AGGREGATE. AND THEN A CAPE SEAL IS THE COMBINATION OF OUR WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK OF AS OUR TYPICAL CHIP SEAL, WHERE WE PUT DOWN THE OIL AND ROCK THE. AND THEN A MICRO OVER THE TOP OF THAT. THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO PRODUCTS, SUCH THAT WE GET THE PENETRATION OF OIL INTO THE BASE OF THE ROADWAY, AND THEN WE PUT THAT MICRO OVER THE TOP TO HOLD DOWN ROCK, THOSE THAT LOOSE ROCK THAT THAT SOMETIMES DOES EXIST AND ESPECIALLY ON OUR ARTERIAL PRODUCT IS A IS A BETTER APPLICATION BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE HIGHER SPEEDS THAN IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ON THOSE, ON THOSE ARTERIAL SECTIONS. SO THE CAPE SEAL GETS US KIND OF THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, THAT PENETRATING OIL AND THEN THAT HARD SURFACE ON THE TOP THAT ADDS SOME RIDE QUALITY AS WELL AS HOLDS THAT THAT ROCK DOWN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WISE, THE DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY STARTED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND POSTCARDS HAVE BEEN MAILED OUT AND DELIVERED TO ADJACENT RESIDENTS. SO ANYBODY AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THESE ROADWAYS THAT THAT WE'RE DOING, THEY GET A POSTCARD IN THE MAIL, GIVES IT GIVES OUR THE WEBSITE WHICH IS ALSO LISTED THERE. SOME ARE SUMMER STREETS. AND THEN PHONE NUMBERS TO, TO CALL AND OUR OMBUDSMAN OR BASICALLY A PERSON WHO'S OVERSEEING THE PROJECT FOR THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE LISTED AS WELL. BUT OUR PROJECT MANAGER, CITY STAFF IS LISTED. WAYS TO CONTACT THEM ARE LISTED AND AVAILABLE TO TO THE PUBLIC, AS WELL AS SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. WE'VE AGAIN, WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS AND THAT IS UNDER UNDERWAY. WE DO HAVE THE WEBSITE UP AND RUNNING AND THAT WEBSITE WILL, AS IT HAS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, HAVE A HAVE A SCHEDULING APP. SO OUR CONTRACTOR BY CONTRACT IS REQUIRED TO GIVE A TEN DAY NOTICE TO ADJACENT STAKEHOLDERS, ADJACENT RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS. [04:20:07] AND THEN THEY ALSO GIVE A 48 HOUR NOTICE BEFORE THEY'RE PHYSICALLY IN FRONT OF A RESIDENT, A HOUSE, A BUSINESS, THOSE LOCATIONS, WHAT THE WEBSITE WILL DO IS GRAPHICALLY DEPICT THAT. SO BY COLOR YOU CAN YOU KNOW YOU CAN. YOU'RE GOING TO YOU CAN GO ON AND YOU CAN SEE, HEY, THEY'RE FORECASTING TO DO MY STREET IN THE NEXT TEN DAYS, OR THEY'RE FORECASTING TO DO MY STREET IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AND THAT'LL BE GRAPHICALLY REPRESENTED ON A MAP. SO, SO THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN SEE THAT AND THEY CAN PLAN FOR IT. CONTRACTOR WILL ASK THEM TO YOU KNOW, TO MOVE THEIR CAR. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T WORK ON THE STREET WITH, WITH WITH CARS ON THE STREET. AND SO ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THAT 48 HOUR NOTICE IS, IS GEARED TOWARDS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. GET GET THE CARS OFF THE STREET SO WE CAN SO WE CAN DO THE WORK. BUT THAT WORK IS RELATIVELY SHORT LIVED. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, 24 HOURS WE'RE DONE. AND LITERALLY IN FRONT OF A SINGLE HOUSE, A MATTER OF HOURS. DISRUPTIVE ACCESS TO TO TO SINGLE RESIDENT AS AN EXAMPLE. BUT IT IS THE PROJECT IS WEATHER DEPENDENT. AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET STARTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND THEN GET AS MUCH COMPLETED AS WE POSSIBLY CAN IN OUR IN OUR PAVING SEASON. AND THEN AND THEN MOVE, YOU KNOW, MOVE ON TO POSSIBLY WHAT WE DON'T GET COMPLETED AND MOVE THAT FORWARD, MAYBE TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT PAVING SEASON. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS AWARD A CONTRACT TO INTERMOUNTAIN SLURRY SEAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $7.6 MILLION. QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. YES, PLEASE. HOW SOON CAN YOU GET THE PROJECT STARTED? SO OUR CONTRACTOR OUR CONTRACTOR IS IS READY TO GO. THEY'VE BEEN WAITING. WAITING ON THIS AWARD. BUT THEY WILL NEED SOME TIME TO MOBILIZE. TEN DAYS. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT TEN. WHY NOT? IS HE NOT WANT THE JOB? SURE HE DOES. ABSOLUTELY. YOU APPLIED ANY PRESSURE I THINK THEY'RE COMING FROM. I MEAN, WE'RE NEEDING TO SPEND THIS MONEY. SURE, I UNDERSTAND, I WANT IT DONE. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT 30 OR 60 DAYS WAITING ON SOMEBODY. I TOTALLY GET IT. WE GOT TO APPLY PRESSURE. SO CALL THE GUY. SURE, SURE. OUR CONTRACTOR IS VERY MOTIVATED. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THEM THIS PROCESS AND THE PROJECT. AS SOON AS THEY HAVE A CONTRACT IN HAND THAT THAT SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO GET PAID TO DO THE WORK, THEY WILL ABSOLUTELY TAKE ACTION. THEY'RE MOTIVATED TO BE HERE. THEY'RE MOTIVATED TO DO THE WORK. AND UNDERSTAND MOTIVATION, I WANT RESULTS. YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU KNOW. THIS IS SOME OF THE DEAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES, SIR. EVERY TIME WE DON'T SPEND THIS MONEY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR. AND I'VE ALREADY HAD MY CITIZENS GOING TO BE WAITING TWO YEARS FOR SOMETHING WE PROMISED LAST YEAR. YES, SIR. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOT TO GET ON. WE GOT TO GET THEM DONE. I'VE GOT TO SHOW OUR CITIZENS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK DOUBLE TIME TO GET THIS JOB DONE. AND, I MEAN, CAN WE GET MORE THAN ONE CONTRACTOR TO GET IT DONE? SURE. SO WE DO HAVE SOME WE HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE WITH OUR CONTRACTOR. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE END OF THE PAVING SEASON AS FAR AS AS SUMMER. AND SO SO THEY MAY HAVE THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO, IF THEY'RE FINISHING UP A JOB IN ANOTHER PLACE, CAN WE GET THE OTHER CREW IF THEY'RE THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY ON THE TABLE. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR ALL SOLUTIONS TO DO AS MUCH WORK AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. THIS CONTRACTOR HAS WORKED WITH US THREE YEARS NOW. THREE, TWO YEARS, TWO PREVIOUS CONTRACTS. WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD LUCK AND NOT LUCK. WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD COOPERATION FROM THIS CONTRACTOR. AND IT'S NOT LUCK, IT'S ACTUAL ACTION. I KNOW THEY DID MY STREET AND DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. IT WAS FAST, QUICK AND REALLY GOOD. THE ONLY THING IS I JUST IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE GET MOVE IT FORWARD AND DONE AS QUICK AS WE CAN. YES, SIR. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I'M SPEAKING FOR ME. YES, SIR. HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. YES, SIR. NO. WHY NOT? ANYTHING FURTHER? SO SO WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS IS GOING BACK TO OUR TOPIC OF THE DAY. THE STREET BONDS. YES, SIR. WAS THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY IN THE LIST? NO, SIR. THIS WAS OKAY. THE CONTINUATION OF SUMMER OF STREET MAINTENANCE IS, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY ALWAYS ON THE LIST. BUT WAS IT WAS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS AS THE PROP ONE? NO. ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND I WOULD SAY ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION JOBS THAT WERE THAT WERE SET AND SCHEDULED FOR PROP ONE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. THE JOBS THAT ARE THAT ARE REMAINING ON THAT LIST ARE ARE GROWTH CAPITAL TYPE EXPANSION OF OF THE EXISTING STREET NETWORK. [04:25:07] AND SO THIS JOB WAS, YOU KNOW, FORECAST TO BE AFTER THE PROP ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE THE NEW BOND DOLLARS. WITH YOUR MILLION DOLLAR SET ASIDE AND 14 MILLION THAT ACCURATELY, ACCURATELY STATED, WE CAN'T GET TO THESE TYPE OF MAINTENANCE PROJECTS ARE, ARE ARE ARE ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN ACCELERATE EXPENSE OF THOSE DOLLARS BASED ON WE ALREADY HAVE ALL RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED. THESE ARE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN WORK ON IMMEDIATELY. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT OUT DESIGNING A NEW GRADE OR DESIGNING A SEWER SYSTEM TO GO IN PLACE FIRST. THESE ARE MAINTENANCE TYPE. THIS IS MAINTENANCE TYPE WORK. AND THE QUICKEST WAY TO EXPEND THOSE DOLLARS. ALSO THE MOST NEEDED AS FAR AS CONDITION OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM. AND IDEALLY, HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO A STREET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM LIKE THIS? I MEAN, IF WE WERE KEEPING UP, HOW OFTEN SHOULD STREETS BE GO THROUGH THIS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. GREAT QUESTION. SO IN GENERAL, A RESURFACING PRODUCT, A MAINTENANCE PRODUCT ON A STREET IS EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS. BUT YOU BRAND NEW PAVE A STREET. YOU SHOULD BE DOING SOME SORT OF RESURFACING APPLICATION ON A 5 TO 7 YEAR BASIS THROUGHOUT ITS LIFE OF YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SOMEWHERE AROUND 30 TO EVEN PROLONGED LIFE OUT TO LIKE 60 YEARS IF YOU'RE REALLY KEEPING UP WITH GOOD MAINTENANCE PRACTICES. SO 5 TO 7 YEARS. OKAY. AND SO AND THEN WHEN WE DON'T HAVE BOND MONEY, HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? JUST AS AS IT GOES. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEP. GENERAL FUND ALLOCATIONS TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. TYPICALLY A TRANSFER FROM A GENERAL FUND. TRANSFER TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT. IN THE PAST, THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN SOMEWHERE AROUND 2.5, 2.5 AND SOME CHANGE. MILLION DOLLARS. YEAH. AT THAT RATE, HOW LONG? YEAH. I GUESS YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO EVERY STREET EVERY 5 OR 6 YEARS. NO, SIR. SO BEFORE THE PROP, BEFORE THE PROP ONE DOLLARS CAME INTO PLAY WE WERE PROBABLY ON DON. HE LEFT ME. WE WERE ON A 13 TO 17 YEAR CYCLE AS FAR AS EVERY RESIDENTIAL STREET. WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE MAINTENANCE WORK THAT WE LET FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, THREE OF WHICH WERE THE THREE THE LARGEST STREET MAINTENANCE PROJECTS IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY COMPLETED IN IN THE LAST PREVIOUS YEARS. AND THAT WORK COMBINED WITH OUR STREET DEPARTMENT DOING THEIR, THEIR EXPECTED INTERNAL MAINTENANCE WORK AS WELL. WE'VE BASICALLY TOUCHED EVERY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL ROAD. I SHOULD SAY WE'VE TOUCHED NEARLY EVERY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL ROAD. THERE MAY BE A LITTLE DASH THERE, SO I'LL GIVE MYSELF A LITTLE CAVEAT, BUT IN GENERAL, WE'VE WE'VE TOUCHED AND PUT A MAINTENANCE PRODUCT ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN THIS COMMUNITY. THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY DOUBLING BACK TO A PORTION OF THOSE OF THOSE ROADS, THIS THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE. AND THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MICRO SURFACING DOES VERY, VERY WELL IS, IS RIDE QUALITY ISSUES AND ADDRESSES SOME BECAUSE IT SETS UP LIKE AN EPOXY. YOU CAN PUT IT IN A RUT, TYPICALLY A EVEN A RUT BOX, AND IT'LL SET UP AND BE HARD. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME RIDE QUALITY BACK. AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A SPECIFIC GOAL IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO WE'RE ALREADY STARTING OVER ON THE MAINTENANCE PRODUCT OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION OF THOSE $2,016. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. SNYDER, JOHN, APPRECIATE THE UPDATE ON THAT. COUNCIL WOULD REQUEST A MOTION. I MOVE TO ADOPT OR, SORRY, MOVE TO AWARD A CONTRACT. IN THE AMOUNT OF $7,603,000 $297.30 TO INTERMOUNTAIN SLURRY SEAL, INC.. I'LL SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. ITEM NINE C. [9.C. CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NO. 07-23-24-1] SO WE WE HAVE MISS STEPHANIE COGGINS HERE. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CALL HER DOWN TO THE FRONT. I DON'T THINK, ON THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE THIS THIS ITEM NINE C IS CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATELY INFORMING THE PUBLIC OF WHAT RESOLUTION WE WERE WANTING TO TAKE ACTION ON. WE NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WRITTEN ON THAT FOR US TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AS COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ITEM. SO WE ARE GOING TO NOT TAKE ACTION ON ITEM NINE C, HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. WHAT THIS IS IS THE SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN PETITION. [04:30:01] THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IN THE WAY IN WHICH THIS WOULD BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A OPPORTUNITY HERE TO ENGAGE WITH COUNCIL BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE SEEING FROM BOTH ATTORNEYS COMING TO YOU. AND, AND IF WE WANT TO HAVE A SHORT DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU MAY TAKE ISSUE WITH. I KNOW WE FOUND A FEW ISSUES ON A DATE. AND THEN IF IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION COUNSEL ITEM NINE C DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE CAUGHT IN ERROR OR THAT THEY WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH IN THE LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED. AND THE, THE THIRD REVISION. SO WE'VE HAD THREE ALTERNATES. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO TO THE THIRD REVISION FROM MR. HYDE AND THAT IS PLACED HERE ON THE DAIS. YES. YOU HAVE A THICK PACKET WITH A BINDER CLIP. THE VERY LAST ONE IN THERE, VERSION D IS THE DRAFT THAT INCORPORATES MR. HYDE'S LATEST MEASURE LANGUAGE. SO PARDON ME, VERSION D, FOURTH REVISION. LET'S GO WITH PLACE ONE. YOU'RE UP. TELL ME WHAT YOU'VE SEEN. I FOUND THE FIRST ONE. LET ME MAKE SURE. LET ME LOOK AT THE SECOND ONE BEFORE I SPEAK. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE SECOND ONE HAS BEEN FIXED. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN THIS IS THE STATEMENT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. D AS IN DOG SO ON THE ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE FOR THE PROPOSITION. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY FIXED THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS IN SECTION FIVE. THEY CHANGED THE DATE. SO THE ERROR ON THE DATE THAT WAS NOTICING MAY 5TH I BELIEVE. YEAH. HAS BEEN CORRECTED NOW TO NOVEMBER. YEAH. OKAY. SO SECTION FIVE IS CORRECT. SO TELL ME THE OTHER SECTION THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING THAT YOU WANTED EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION JUST ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER PROPOSITION. SO IN THE WAY IN WHICH IT SAYS SHALL APPLY REGARDLESS OF LOCATION OF THE ABORTION, IS THAT WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO INJECT THAT LANGUAGE? I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. COUNCIL DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE DIRECTION THAT MR. CRAFT IS MOVING? I GUESS I'M LOST. OKAY, SO LET'S LET'S BACKTRACK HERE. GRAB VERSION D, VERSION D, VERSION D, YOU GOT THAT ONE. GO TO YOU HAVE YOUR RESOLUTION, THEN YOU HAVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO YOUR MEASURE DOWN FROM THERE. WE ARE NOW INTO THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE. AND WHERE DID HE ADD. SO I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND IT HERE, BUT WHERE IT SAYS REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION TO WHERE THE ABORTION IS PERFORMED, HE WOULD LIKE THAT TO SAY APPLIES EXTRATERRITORIALLY. YEAH, TO THE FULL EXTENT, TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE US AND CONSTITUTION. AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO TELL ANY OF US THAT WE NEED TO LOCATE THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO DESCRIBE THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE WANTING IN ADDITION TO THIS OR TO EXCLUDE. AND WE RELY ON MR. HYDE TO TO RESTATE THIS, THE PER OUR DIRECTION. RIGHT. COUNCILMAN. CRAFT. WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ON THIS GUY? THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS POINT. OKAY, WE'LL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK TO YOU IF YOU GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. COUNCILMAN. TIPPS. ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THERE, IT SAYS FINDING AN ABORTION INDUCING DRUGS ARE DECLARED CONTRABAND, ESTABLISHING A CRIMINAL OFFENSE FOR ANY PERSON, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. [04:35:01] I JUST CHANGED A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO A RIGHT TO CIVIL ACTION. DID DISCUSS THIS WITH OUR ATTORNEY, GEORGE HYDE, LAST NIGHT AND HE SAID BOTH MEET THE BECAUSE I HAD A QUESTION ON CRIMINAL OFFENSE BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS IT'S NOT CRIMINAL. OKAY. SO THE A RIGHT TO CIVIL ACTION VERSUS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. AND CAN I ASK, MISS COGGINS, ARE YOU ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING THESE NOTES OR DO WE NEED TO TO HAND THIS OVER. I WILL TAKE THE NOTES, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN GIVE YOU ANY LEGAL ADVICE. SO I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE GET THEM. I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT RECORDED AS TO THE LOCATION. SO UNDER THE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN ON PAGE THREE, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CRIMINAL OFFENSE FOR ANY PERSON. AND COUNCILMAN TIPPS WOULD LIKE THAT TO READ. PROVIDES A PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION, A RIGHT TO CIVIL ACTION. I'M SORRY FOR A RIGHT TO CIVIL ACTION, ESTABLISHING A RIGHT TO CIVIL ACTION. VERY WELL. ESTABLISHING A RIGHT TO PRIVATE CIVIL ACTION OR JUST CIVIL ACTION. JUST CIVIL ACTION, OKAY. ESTABLISHING A RIGHT TO CIVIL ACTION. THAT'S THE VERBIAGE THAT THAT YOU DISCUSSED WITH HYDE WITH. YEAH, WITH THE ATTORNEY. THAT'S WHAT HE HAD STATED. SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THERE, DO I HAVE ANY COUNSEL THAT WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, KNOWING THAT THAT 18 PAGE ORDINANCE DOES TITLE THAT SECTION CRIMINAL? EVEN THOUGH IT IS A CIVIL ACTION, I THINK WE NEED TO STAY WITH THEIR LANGUAGE, DON'T WE? WELL, MR. HYDE IS ADVISING, ACCORDING TO MR. TIPPS COUNCILMAN TIPPS, THAT THAT IT MEETS THE STANDARD, WHICH IS A LOW ONE, THAT WE ARE FULFILLING OUR OBLIGATION TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC HERE. BUT WE WOULD BE REMOVING THE CRIMINAL OFFENSE AND PUTTING IN A CIVIL ACTION LANGUAGE. THERE IS NO CRIMINAL OFFENSE. RIGHT. I MEAN, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE IS NO CRIMINAL OFFENSE? YOUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE SET FORTH FOR THE RIGHT WAS CRIMINAL, BUT IN THIS ONE, IT IS NOT CRIMINAL. SO? SO THE INTENT FOR THE OVERALL ORDINANCE IS A CIVIL RIGHT OF ACTION. AND THAT THAT HAS BEEN ARGUED FOR AND AGAINST IN THE WAY IN WHICH THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT DOES SAY CRIMINAL OFFENSE. YOU'RE CORRECT. AND SO I BELIEVE IT COULD BE ARGUED EITHER WAY. I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS THE CONVERSATION ON HERE BRIEFLY IS DOES IT MEET THE REQUIREMENT THAT COUNSEL NEEDS TO MEET IN ORDER TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT? SO COUNCILMAN. SCHERLEN FEELS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER OPINIONS FROM COUNCIL ON THIS CRIMINAL VERBIAGE? I MEAN, ACTUALLY. KEN, IS THIS EVEN GOOD VERBIAGE SINCE THE SUPREME COURT HAS ALREADY SAID YOU CAN SEND THESE DRUGS IN. I MEAN THAT THAT'S MY QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO HYDE, DID YOU? WELL, HE SAID THAT THAT EITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD FIT, ACTUALLY, HE SAID, BUT TO MAYOR'S POINT THAT THE BARS LOW. I THOUGHT BECAUSE I POINTED OUT I ASKED HIM, WHY DOES IT SAY THAT? AND THERE'S SOME REFERENCES BACK AND FORTH. AND HE SAID, BUT EITHER ONE. BUT I MEAN, EITHER WAY, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MISLEADING EITHER WAY, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, I MEAN, NEITHER. EITHER WAY, I JUST DON'T WANT TO MISLEADING. WE JUST NEED THE LANGUAGE THERE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND I AGREE. SO LET'S READ THIS IF Y'ALL WILL FOLLOW ALONG. ESTABLISHING A CRIMINAL OFFENSE AND THEN BELOW IT WITHOUT A CRIMINAL PENALTY. SO MUCH AS HAS BEEN THE STRUGGLE WITH THIS TOPIC AND THIS DOCUMENT IT DOESN'T JUST SAY WHAT IT SAYS IN MY OPINION. SO IT LITERALLY NOTICES, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO MR. HYDE, WHAT HE STRUGGLED TO DO HERE, ESTABLISHING A CRIMINAL OFFENSE FOR ANY PERSON ACTS AS AN ACCOMPLICE MANUFACTURE, POSSESS, DISTRIBUTE ABORTION INDUCING DRUGS IN THE CITY OF AMARILLO WITHOUT A CRIMINAL PENALTY. SO HE IS DESCRIBING THE FACT THAT, PER THE ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE IT IS DESCRIBED AND LISTED UNDER THAT SECTION THAT IT IS CRIMINAL, BUT THEN IT REMOVES THE CRIMINAL PENALTY. AND, AND I GUESS SUBSTITUTES A CIVIL PENALTY OR A CIVIL RIGHT OF ACTION. SO. COUNCILMAN TIPPS. [04:40:05] WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SAY ESTABLISHING A CRIMINAL OR CIVIL OFFENSE? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE WORD OR THE OTHER. IT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU IF Y'ALL ARE OPPOSED TO CHANGING IT, THEN LEAVE IT, OKAY? I MEAN, IT MAKES ME NO DIFFERENCE. I JUST THOUGHT IT'S A LITTLE CLEARER. BUT IF YOU FEEL IT'S NOT, THEN THAT'S. WERE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU YOU SAW? SO THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE ONE. LET'S COME BACK TO IT. WE'LL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE FOR A SECOND. COUNCILMAN SCHERLEN ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW IN THE LANGUAGE. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. I GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY FROM A DOCTOR HERE IN TOWN, AND HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IS AN ABORTION PILL OR ABORTION DRUG, I THINK, AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WE CAN HOLD A DOCTOR LIABLE. SO I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, BOY, I THOUGHT I SHOT THERE FOR A MINUTE. IT'S LIKE THE MEN PRESTO. IT'S GOOD FOR A LOT OF THINGS BESIDES AN ABORTION DRUG. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THESE ARE THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU JUST PUT IN THERE ABORTION HAS IT STATED HERE. I THINK THEY'RE REFERENCING WHAT'S IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF. GO AHEAD. AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS REFERENCING WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IN THE ORDINANCE IT STATES ABORTION INDUCING DRUGS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE ORDINANCE. WELL THAT'S TRUE. THE DOCTOR HAS A VALID POINT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. BUT THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT. SO WHAT WHAT GEORGE HYDE HAD TO COME UP WITH IS THIS IS A SYNOPSIS OF AN 18 PAGE DOCUMENT. SO HE'S HAVING TO PULL OUT AND HE MADE A GREAT POINT. HE SAID, DON, HE SAID IF THEY USE PROFANITY IN THE IN THE DOCUMENT, I WOULD HAVE TO USE PROFANITY IN HERE. HE SAID I WOULDN'T WANT TO, BUT I HAVE TO. YEAH, JUST STATING THAT HE'S GOT TO PULL THE LANGUAGE FROM THE ORDINANCE LIKE WHAT IT SAYS CAN NO LONGER BE ARGUED. THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. THEY HAD THE POWER. SO THEY'RE BRINGING FORTH THE ORDINANCE NOW. IT'S UP TO OUR WHAT OUR GUIDANCE, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR ATTORNEY TO SAY, HEY, BUT THIS IS A SYNOPSIS OF THAT 18 PAGE DOCUMENT. SO WE CAN'T REALLY ARGUE WHAT HE MAY HAVE A VALID POINT. BUT YEAH, WE CAN'T REALLY ARGUE THAT. COUNCILMAN SCHERLEN ANYTHING ELSE? YOU WERE NOT IN TIME. I'M STILL OKAY. COUNCILMAN SIMPSON. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. BECAUSE I THINK TO THE POINT IS, THE ORDINANCE IS THE ORDINANCE. WE'RE JUST TASKED WITH COMING UP THE WORDING, AND IT'S OUR DUTY TO DO IT AS ACCURATELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. BUT OUR WORDING DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO WHAT GETS ENFORCED. THAT'S ALL IN THE ORDINANCE NOW. WE WANT THAT WE COULD DECIDE TO HAVE ONE SENTENCE HERE SAYS WE'RE PASSING SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE UNBORN, AND WE COULD LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. I THINK WE AGREE THAT THAT'S NOT THE THE WAY TO DO IT. WE'RE I THINK WE'RE DOING A VERY DIFFICULT TASK HERE. AND GEORGE HAS DONE THIS OF TAKING AN 18 PAGE DOCUMENT AND TURNING IT INTO ONE STATEMENT. BUT NONETHELESS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. AND I THINK HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB WITH IT HERE. I THINK THE WORDING AND EVERYTHING REFLECTS WHAT'S IN THE IN THE STATEMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF, BOY, YOU COULD JUST MAKE THIS AS EASY. BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACETS, I MEAN, IF THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN ONE ITEM IN THIS ORDINANCE, MAYBE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT SHORTER AND A LOT SIMPLER, BUT THERE ARE 4 OR 5 DIFFERENCE THAT HAVE NUANCES TO THIS. AND I'M FINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MENTIONED SO FAR. OKAY. I AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY CHANGES SO FAR. WE WE DO HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO IMPROVE UPON THE LANGUAGE. THE ISSUE THAT I SEE IS, IS WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC THROUGH THIS BRIEF SUMMARY DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THIS 18 PAGE DOCUMENT COULD DO. IN LEGAL THEORY, THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN OUT YET IN A, IN A COURT OF LAW. THERE'S NO CASE LAW TO REFER BACK TO. AND THIS IS DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE ONLY. SO WHITE TRUCK ALSO DESCRIBES AN 2020 F-150 WITH 65,000 MILES ON IT. YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE THEY ARE DESCRIPTIVE, BUT THE SECOND ONE IS MUCH MORE SO IN EDUCATING YOU THE TYPE OF VEHICLE AND THE CONDITION OF THE VEHICLE FOR WHAT ITS USAGE COULD BE. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD ATTORNEY THAT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF OF THE TASK PRESENTED TO HIM. AND SO I AM NOT GOING TO, I GUESS, WADE MYSELF INTO THIS TO TRY TO IMPROVE UPON ANY OF THE LANGUAGE. [04:45:01] I WOULD, THOUGH BE HAPPY TO, BECAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME HERE TO SEND THIS BACK. WITH THESE NOTES ON IT AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO NOTATE I DON'T THINK HURTS ANYTHING AT ALL. I JUST I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT I'M GETTING ANYWHERE ON MY SIDE. SO LET'S GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN. CRAFT YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO. AND DON, DID YOU YOU YOU'RE GOOD WITH LEAVING THE CRIMINAL TITLE IN THERE, OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR TAKING IT OUT? NO, I JUST WANT TO JUST CLEAR. SO WHATEVER IS BEST. I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE NECESSARILY. ONE WAY. OKAY. I AM NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE ON ANY OF IT. COUNCILMAN. SCHERLEN. WHAT DO YOU HAVE? IF THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN COME UP WITH. I'M GOOD. OKAY. AND LESS. I MEAN, I THINK HERE, HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM IS NOT ACTIONABLE. AND SO WE WE WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THIS IS I SEE ARE YOU RISING TO TO SPEAK, SIR? YES, IF I HAVE A MOMENT, I TAKE A MINUTE. LET ME ASK A QUESTION HERE. DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE? IF WE WERE TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO SPEAK THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT, OR HAS EVERYONE ELSE TAKEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK SO FAR? OKAY. I WOULD THEN GO AHEAD AND ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD FOR A FEW MINUTES. AND MR. FORD BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. I APPRECIATE THAT. MIKE FORD, AMARILLO, TEXAS. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE MEETING. NOTICE DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW ACTION FOR WHATEVER REASON. IT'S JUST CONSIDER SO THERE SHOULD BE CONSIDER AND POSSIBLY ACT ON DIDN'T HAVE THE SUBJECT. SO I THINK YOU MADE A VERY WISE CHOICE. OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO HAVING THIS WHOLE THING VOIDED. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOW BAR, AND WE REALLY GOT TO DO BETTER THAN THAT, FOLKS. I MEAN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A A ORDINANCE THAT HAS SUCH BROAD REACHING EFFECTS, SUCH POTENTIAL LONG TERM EFFECTS, LIKE ONE. ONE BASIC EXAMPLE IS DOUBLE JEOPARDY, TRIPLE JEOPARDY, WHATEVER. IT ALLOWS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL TO BE CHARGED WITH THE SAME CRIME AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT NUMBER OF TIMES WITHIN SIX YEARS. THE ONLY BONUS IS THE FIRST GUY TO CHARGE AND GET TO COURT GETS THE $10,000. NOBODY ELSE GETS THE $10,000, BUT THAT'S IT. THE DEFENDANT, IF THEY PREVAIL IN A IN A IN A COURT ACTION, CANNOT RECOVER ANY FEES. IF IT'S A HARASSMENT SUIT, THEY CAN BE TAKEN TO TO TO COURT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND THEY HAVE NO RECOURSE FOR CLAIMING ANY TYPE OF REDRESS FOR A HARASSMENT SUIT. WHY CAN'T WE PUT THAT? WHY CAN'T IT? WHY CAN'T IT SAY. NUMBER ONE, ON TOP OF THE UNENFORCEABLE DECLARATIONS, IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY MENTION THE EXTRATERRITORIAL APPLICATION. THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T MENTION THAT ANY PERSON, INCLUDING CORPORATIONS AND POTENTIAL FOREIGN ENTITIES, CAN BRING LAWSUITS IN ANY DISTRICT COURT IN TEXAS. IT DOESN'T MENTION THE POTENTIAL RESTRICTION ON TRAVEL FOR OBTAINING LEGAL ABORTIONS IN OTHER STATES, NOR DOES IT MENTION THAT MULTIPLE LAWSUITS, AS I JUST SAID, CAN BE BROUGHT. IT DOESN'T MENTION THAT DEFENDANTS ARE PROHIBITED FROM COVERING RECOVERING LEGAL COSTS, AND IT DOESN'T CLARIFY THAT THE CITY AND ITS EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, THESE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN 18 PAGE ORDINANCE AND YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THIS. THAT'S THAT'S NOT OKAY. THAT'S A MISSTATEMENT. THE WHOLE ALL THOSE DECLARATIONS IN THERE THAT ARE FROM THE DECLARATION SECTION ARE SPECIFICALLY BARRED IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, IN THE LANGUAGE. SO THOSE ARE LIES. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE THE WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD DO. THE MUNICIPAL CODE WOULD DO. SO THOSE THINGS CAN'T GO IN THERE. SO I WOULD JUST BEG YOU, PLEASE, LET'S AT LEAST TELL THE TRUTH. LET'S CALL BALLS AND STRIKES. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE PARTIZAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT LET'S JUST TAKE A WHAT DOES THE STATEMENT SAY? IT SAYS THIS. OKAY. PUT IT IN THERE. THE NEXT THING SAYS THIS. THE PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THESE TREMENDOUSLY HARMFUL CHANGES TO THE LOCAL LAW THAT ARE BEING MADE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. FORD, WE APPRECIATE YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO SPEAK. I THINK WE WILL CONSIDER AND TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. WE'LL REFER THAT BACK TO MR. HYDE ONCE AGAIN. I DO AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT THERE THESE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT YOU POINTED OUT. THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY A HUNDRED OF OTHER THINGS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONSIDERATION ON THIS COUNCIL IS TO LIST EVERYTHING YOU KNOW. [04:50:01] OTHERWISE WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL JUST COPY AND PASTE THE 18.5 PAGE AND PUT IT ON THE, THE, THE BALLOT. WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THIS I THINK COUNCIL COULD TAKE ACTION AND DIRECT OUR ELECTION OFFICIALS AND VOLUNTEERS TO HAVE A PRINTABLE COPY READABLE THERE ON SITE AT EACH POLLING PLACE. AND I THINK THAT WE COULD DIRECT THAT STAFF OR THOSE VOLUNTEERS TO SAY, HEY, I NEED YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE. DO YOU STILL RESIDE HERE? BY THE WAY, THERE'S A COPY OF THIS RIGHT HERE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND STEP ASIDE AND READ IT FOR YOURSELF. ARE YOU EDUCATED? BEYOND THAT, I THINK THAT WE ARE TASKED WITH THE VERY TOUGH TASK OF TAKING 18.5 PAGES OF A DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SENSE OF WITH, WITH ULTIMATE CLARITY FOR THE LAST YEAR IN 100 HOURS WORTH OF DISCUSSION AND PUT IT INTO A SHORT PARAGRAPH A SUCCINCT PARAGRAPH OF ITS NATURE AND PURPOSE. SO I FEEL LIKE THIS CAN DEFINITELY BE CRITIQUED AND CRITICIZED. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN. WE CAN IMPROVE UPON IT FOR YOU. IT CAN'T BE DONE. I BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE THAT EXAMPLE. ARE YOU A PRACTICING ATTORNEY? I WORK WITH ATTORNEYS, DON. I WORK WITH FOR 40 YEARS. I'VE ADMITTED TO THE FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT AS AN EXPERT WITNESS. I WORKED WITH THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE FOR SINCE 2007. I WRITE. ARE YOU A PRACTICING ATTORNEY? JUST YES OR NO? OKAY, BUT I AM. I HAVE STUDIED LEGISLATION, STATUTES, AND I CAN I CAN READ A BALLOT REQUIREMENT AND I CAN INTERPRET IT AND WRITE IT. I'M REALLY GOOD AT THAT. WELL, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD SKILL SET AND THAT YOU HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE IN LOTS OF SUBJECT MATTER. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HELP IN THIS. IT IS THAT POSITION FOR ME TO HAVE TO RELY ON THOSE THAT WE HAVE PUT IN THE POSITIONAL PLACE TO HANDLE THIS, AND THAT'S OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL. SO COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL, THIS BODY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE THESE FEW NOTES THAT MRS. COGGINS HAS AND SEND THOSE BACK TO MR. HYDE. AND THEN I DO NEED TO CLARIFY. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. THIS HAS A FIRST AND SECOND READING, AND OUR DEADLINE IS AUGUST 17TH. SO WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE ISSUE OF CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION AT THIS POINT OR NOT A SPECIAL ELECTION CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIT THE AUGUST 13TH. SO ONCE AGAIN, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT AUGUST 6TH KNOWING THAT, MAYOR, IF I MAY? YES, JUST A RESOLUTION ON THIS. YOU'RE THINKING OF THE ORDINANCE. THE REQUIREMENT YOU'RE THINKING OF IS FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT DOES REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION. OH, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING. THAT IS CORRECT. I PASSED A RESOLUTION AND SO JUST ONE READING IS ENOUGH. I'VE GOTTEN CONFUSED ON THIS ONE MORE THAN ONCE. SO THIS IS THE ONE READING, CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. THEN WE WOULD HAVE UNTIL AUGUST 13TH. CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEY SAY I DON'T KEEP STAFF ON THEIR TOES. AND I'M ONLY HERE 40 HOURS A WEEK. THANK YOU. MR. CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. WE'RE COMFORTABLE THEN MOVING FORWARD AUGUST 13TH, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO GET EVERYTHING BACK AND NOTICE CORRECTLY. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE NOTICE THE PUBLIC APPROPRIATELY AND CONTINUE TO TO LISTEN. ANYTHING FURTHER ON THIS GUY? YES, SIR. OKAY. MOVING FORWARD IF YOU WILL GET BACK TO NON CONSENT ITEM NINE D. [9.D. DISCUSS, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN AMARILLO AREA FOUNDATION, AMARILLO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AMARILLO COLLEGE AND AMARILLO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO FUND THE THRIVE PROGRAM] MR. CARTER, YOU'RE FINALLY UP. I TOLD YOU SEVEN. I MEANT 824. GOOD EVENING. EVENING, EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL. THREE ITEMS THAT I HAVE. THIS IS THE FIRST OF THAT. THIS IS TO DISCUSS, CONSIDER, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE AMARILLO AREA FOUNDATION, AMARILLO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AMARILLO COLLEGE, AND THE AMARILLO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO FUND THE THE THRIVE PROGRAM. THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO, AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT FUNDS, NO MATTER WHAT THE INCOME LEVEL IS, IT WILL FUND UP TO 60 HOURS OF TUITION AT AMARILLO COLLEGE FOR GRADUATING STUDENTS OUT OF THE AMARILLO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, PROVIDED THAT THEY'VE MET CERTAIN ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS AND CERTAIN GRADE AVERAGE, AND ALSO THE STATE TESTING REQUIREMENTS. THIS FUNDING AGREEMENT WOULD ALLOW THE FRESHMEN INCOMING FRESHMAN CLASS TO BE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT. SO IT WOULD TAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THEIR FOUR YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN THEIR TWO YEARS. [04:55:01] WELL, ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE THREE YEARS TO GET THE 60 HOURS. AND SO IT WOULD IT WOULD FUND THE INCOMING FRESHMAN CLASS. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AGREEMENT AND THE LAST AGREEMENT THAT WE DID WAS THE AREA THE AMARILLO AREA FOUNDATION FUNDED 40% OF THE PROJECT. THIS AGREEMENT ALLOWS THE FOUR PARTNERS TO BE EQUAL PARTNERS. SO IT WOULD BE 25%. WE'RE PROJECTING A $3 MILLION COST OVER A SIX YEAR PERIOD. AND SO THERE'S BEEN ABOUT 540 AVERAGE PARTICIPANTS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. THE FUNDING WHEN IT FIRST STARTED AND IT'S HARD TO READ. I'M SORRY. WE WERE PROJECTED TO SPEND ABOUT $5.6 MILLION OR ACTUALLY $18 MILLION WAS A PROJECTED COST OVER THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. THE ACTUAL COST HAS BEEN 5.6 MILLION. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS SEVERAL OF THE STUDENTS HAVE QUALIFIED FOR PELL GRANTS. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GOING TO AMARILLO COLLEGE IS YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE FAFSA OR THE FEDERAL STUDENT AID, AND THAT STUDENT AID COMES OFF THE TOP BEFORE THE PARTNERS ARE CHARGED. BUT IT DOES INCLUDE BOOKS, TUITION AND FEES. AND THE REASON WHY THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS STARTED WAS TO HELP WITH OUR WORKFORCE NEEDS AND TO GROW OUR WORKFORCE WITH OUR STUDENTS, AND TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO LEARN A SKILL. AND SO WE THINK IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. IT'S BEEN ABOUT 540 AVERAGE STUDENTS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM. OUR BOARD TOOK THIS UP ON JULY 16TH, AND THEY VOTED FIVE ZERO TO TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM. CERTAINLY WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? YES, SIR. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING. THAT WOULD REQUEST A MOTION ON ITEM NINE D. I MOVE TO. ACCEPT. YEAH, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE EDC TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE EMERALD AREA FOUNDATION, EMERALD INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AMARILLO COLLEGE AND TO FUND THE THRIVE PROGRAM. I'LL SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NINE. D ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MR. CARTER, YOU'RE UP AGAIN. [9.E. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER SALE - REAL ESTATE LOCATED AT AXIOM DRIVE] OKAY. THIS ITEM IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE SALE OF REAL ESTATE LOCATED AT AXIOM DRIVE. THIS IS TO INDRIS ENTERPRISES. INJURIES EXPRESS STARTED AS A LONG HAUL TRUCKING IN 1993, IN WISCONSIN. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PUTTING A COLD STORAGE AND CHEESE AGING FACILITY ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN IN CENTERPORT. WE GO TO THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE SPACE IN BLUE. IT'S 19.97 ACRES JUST EAST OF SSI FOODS, ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE CENTREPORT BUSINESS PARK, JUST ALONG AXIOM DRIVE. THIS ITEM WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO SELL APPROXIMATELY 19.97 ACRES TO INJURIES EXPRESS. AFTER THAT SALE FOR 550,000 AFTER THAT SALE, THEY NEED TO EXPEND AT LEAST 10 MILLION. THEY'RE EXPECTING THIS PROJECT TO COST AROUND 13 MILLION. AFTER THEY'VE EXPENDED $10 MILLION, THOUGH, THEY WE WOULD REBATE THAT PROPERTY, THE LAND VALUE OF $114,250, BACK TO INJURIES FOR PUTTING THE AT LEAST $10 MILLION IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. THEY'RE GOING TO EMPLOY FOUR FOR EMPLOYEES. SO IT'S A LOW EMPLOYEE COUNT. BUT THE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF INCENTIVE WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES OR NO TYPE OF TAX ABATEMENT ON THAT FACILITY. ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT, WE WOULD EXTEND THAT ROAD JUST FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF 75 FOOT, WILL EXTEND AXIOM DRIVE AND PUT THE REQUIRED CITY UTILITIES IN WITH WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THAT PROPERTY. WE'VE GOT SOMEWHERE AROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF AROUND $12,000 IN THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S INCLUDING WITH THE 75 FOOT EXTENSION. AND SO FINAL SALE PRICE IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE $20,000 RANGE. SO WE'RE STILL MAKING MONEY ON THAT. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN INSTANT TAXPAYER OF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 10 TO $13 MILLION ON THE TAX ROLLS ON DAY ONE. QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARTER. YOU CAN HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER. I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. I THOUGHT, OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS THROUGH TO YOU, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL I'D LIKE TO TRY TO GIVE YOU ALL THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $900,000 A YEAR OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOW JOB COUNT. BUT THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT. BOOST TO OUR ECONOMY JUST WITH HAVING FOUR EMPLOYEES. BUT MOST OF THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PROPERTY TAX THAT THEY PAY. [05:00:04] OKAY. WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NINE E FROM COUNCIL. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SALE OF THE REAL ESTATE LOCATED AT ACXIOM DRIVE AS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. AND OUR LAST AND FINAL HERE, MR. [9.F. CONSIDER APPROVAL – LOCATION INCENTIVE AGREEMENT – BETWEEN AMARILLO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND OLD ENGLISH FIELD, LLC DBA HAVEN FBO] CARTER. ITEM NINE F. YEAH. AND I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE WITH THIS PROJECT. THIS IS OLD ENGLISH FIELD, LLC. THIS WOULD CONSIDER AN LOCATION INCENTIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN OLD, OLD ENGLISH FIELD LLC. THEY DO BUSINESS AS HAVEN ARROW OR HAVEN FBO. I HAVE TRAVIS LAMMONS BACK IN THE BACK. THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN PARTNERS OF THIS PROJECT. WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW FBO OUT AT THE AIRPORT THEY'RE LEASING. THEY'VE GOT A GROUND LEASE, 40 YEAR GROUND LEASE WITH THE AIRPORT TO BUILD A NEW FIXED BASE OPERATOR AT THE AIRPORT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A LITTLE OVER 40,000 42,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, WITH A COST OF ABOUT $8.5 MILLION. THEY'RE GOING TO EMPLOY 20 NEW EMPLOYEES WITH AN AVERAGE SALARY OF JUST OVER $57,000. YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT SPOT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE AIRPORT PROPERTY WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE, THAT THE OUTLINE OF THAT IS NOT VERY BRIGHT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WHITE BUILDING TO THE FAR TOP OF THE PAGE AND THEN THE SILVER ROOFED BUILDING RIGHT THERE. LIKE I SAY, $8.5 MILLION. THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THE EDC WOULD BE TO INCENTIVIZE THE 20 NEW EMPLOYEES AT $10,000 PER JOB. WE WOULD PAY THAT OUT OVER TEN YEARS AS THEY PERFORM. SO NOTHING UP FRONT THEY WOULD PAY AS THEY WOULD PERFORM. THIS WOULD BE UP TO $200,000 FOR JOB CREATION OUT OVER THE TEN YEARS. EDC STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT. THE EDC BOARD APPROVED THIS FIVE ZERO ON JULY 16TH. CERTAINLY WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TRAVIS, I'M SURE, WOULD BE WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS PROJECT. REAL GOOD. ANYTHING COUNCIL HOW SO? WHEN IT'S BUILT, HOW HOW DO YOU ACCESS IT? IS IT WHAT? TRAVIS YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR. I CAN CERTAINLY TRY, BUT GO AHEAD. THE THE ROAD THAT COMES AROUND THE BACKSIDE IS THERE CALLED BAKER STREET, RIGHT DOWN TO THE FIRE STATION. IT COMES OFF THE SAME ROAD AS THE FIRE STATION. OKAY. GOT IT. YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THE OUTLINE OF THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON. YEAH. RIGHT THERE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD ASK FOR MY LAST MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE LOCATION INCENTIVE AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NINE F ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES WITH A50 VOTE. WE HAVE OFFICIALLY RAN OUT OF MOTIONS AND SECONDS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO ADJOURN US. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. EDC AND WAITING ON US. YOU'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU GUYS FOR ATTENDING. ALL RIGHT. HAS A LONG ONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.