Nov 09, 2021 City Council Regular Meeting

TO SAY WELCOME TO EVERYONE, I'M FREDA POWELL, MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THE CITY OF

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AND TODAY WE HAVE PASTOR LARRY MILES, WHO'S GOING TO BRING THE INVOCATION, AND

[INVOCATION]

THIS IS A SPECIAL WEEK AND THIS IS VETERAN'S WEEK.

SO APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SO MUCH AND I'LL HELP YOU COME UP AND HAVE YOU RECOGNIZE OTHERS.

YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE JUST A MOMENT BEFORE WE STAND UP, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR OUR VETERANS THAT ARE HERE TODAY.

SO IF YOU'RE A VETERAN, IF YOU SERVED IN ANY BRANCH OF THE MILITARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND LET US HONOR YOU? [INAUDIBLE] [APPLAUSE].

THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.

LET ME PRAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.

JOIN US IN PRAYER, FATHER GOD IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY TODAY FOR OUR CITY AND THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR CITY.

FATHER, THANK YOU FOR EVERY SEAT THAT HAS BEEN FILLED HERE TODAY FOR EACH MIND AND HEART THAT FILLS THE PRESENCE OF THIS ROOM, WE THANK YOU.

ONLY YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE SETTING OUT TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY.

WE HAVE AN IDEA, A VISION, HINTS AND DAILY INSTRUCTIONS.

WE HAVE TALENTS, ABILITIES AND TIME TO WORK.

HOWEVER, ONLY YOU CAN SEE IN PERFECT DETAIL THE END OF EVERY BEGINNING, EVERY PROJECT, EVERY SEASON, EVERY LIFE.

NOTHING IS EVER IN VAIN FOR EVEN MISTAKES, AND MISSTEPS ARE USED FOR GOOD.

YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS TRANSCENDS ALL OUR EFFORTS AND UNDERSTANDING.

FORGIVE US FOR OUR PRIDE, THE PRIDE THAT PUFFS US UP, AND THE PRIDE THAT THREATENS TO UNQUALIFY US STRENGTHEN OUR CONFIDENCE IN WHO YOU HAVE MADE US TO BE.

SET US FREE FROM COMPARISON IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER EFFICIENTLY.

BLESS THIS MEETING TODAY.

ALL THOSE PRESENT AS WELL AS THE LIVES OF THOSE WE WILL ENCOUNTER AFTERWARD.

PREPARE US TO MAKE EVERY MOMENT COUNT.

IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY.

AMEN.

SO BE IT.

OK.

AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

AGAIN, PASTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

[PROCLAMATION]

AND WE HAVE WITH US TODAY, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THESE GENTLEMEN TO JOIN ME UP HERE WITH MY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND THAT IS LET'S SEE HERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE GOT LEMAN WALL, WHO SHOULD BE HERE AND HE IS THE MANAGER.

AND THEN I ALSO HAVE RANDY WHIPPLE, WHO IS THE BOARD TREASURER.

AND THEN IS GARY MORTON HERE, ALSO, YES, COME RIGHT AROUND HERE, THAT'D BE GREAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

WHEREAS THE ANNUAL WORKING RANCH COWBOYS ASSOCIATION WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO OPENS FOR THE 26TH YEAR ON NOVEMBER 11TH AND CONTINUES THROUGH NOVEMBER 14, 2021, AND WHEREAS THE CRITICAL MISSION OF THE WORKING RANCH COWBOYS ASSOCIATION IS TO SUPPORT WORKING COWBOYS AND THEIR FAMILIES ACROSS AMERICA UTILIZING THE RICH WESTERN HERITAGE OF WRCA MEMBERS.

THE WRCA SEEKS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND BRING ATTENTION TO THE CAUSE OF THE BENEVOLENT MISSION OF THE WORKING RANCH COWBOYS FOUNDATION, KEEPING OUR WESTERN HERITAGE ALIVE AND THE WORKING COWBOY IN THE SADDLE.

AND WHEREAS THE WORKING RANCH COWBOYS ASSOCIATION'S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO IS A CELEBRATION OF THE AMERICAN COWBOY, ITS HERITAGE AND THE CONTRIBUTION THE COWBOY HAS

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AND WHEREAS THE INAUGURAL WORKING RANCH COWBOYS ASSOCIATION WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO WAS IN NOVEMBER 1996, ATTRACTING OVER 7000 GUESTS AND CROWNING THE FIRST WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH TEAM, THE NAIL RANCH AND NOW ATTENDANCE ANNUALLY SURPASSES 30000 GUESTS FROM ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND SEVERAL FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

AND WHEREAS THE MOST RECENT ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY SUGGESTS, THE WORKING RANCH COWBOYS ASSOCIATION WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO CONTRIBUTES APPROXIMATELY SIX MILLION DOLLARS IN DIRECT SPENDING TO THE AMARILLO ECONOMY.

AND WHEREAS ACTIVITIES DURING THE FOUR DAY EVENT INCLUDE THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO RANCH HORSE SHOWS COWBOY ENTERTAINERS THE WORLD'S FINEST COWBOY TRADE AND TRAPPING SHOW, SHOWCASING THE TOP 150 WESTERN CRAFTSMEN AND AMAZING RANCH EXPO WITH DOZENS OF EXEMPLARY AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY BUSINESSES.

NOW, THEREFORE, WE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 9TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021 AS WRCA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO WEEK AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY WELCOME THE 26TH ANNUAL WORKING RANCH COWBOYS ASSOCIATION WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RANCH RODEO TO AMARILLO EXTEND OUR BEST WISHES FOR ANOTHER EXCITING AND SUCCESSFUL YEAR AND ENCOURAGE AMARILLO RESIDENTS TO SADDLE UP AND ENJOY THE SHOW GIVEN UNDER OUR HANDS AND SEAL OF OFFICE THIS 9TH DAY OF NOVEMBER.

THE HONORABLE MAYOR GINGER NELSON, COUNCIL MEMBERS COLE STANLEY FREDA POWELL, DR.

EDDY SAUER AND HOWARD SMITH AND HERE TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE MR. LEMAN WALL.

IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

[APPLAUSE] RANDY, IT LOOKS LIKE I GET THE HONOR WE ALWAYS HAVE TO ARM WRESTLE ON WHO GETS TO SAY THANKS TO THE CITY.

FIRST OF ALL, DID WE INTRODUCE EVERYBODY WITH OUR CREW? I THINK WE.

SO THIS IS RANDY WHIPPLE.

RANDY IS OUR TREASURER OF OUR BOARD FOR BOTH THE ASSOCIATION AND THE FOUNDATION.

OK.

THIS IS MR. CRAIG HAYTHORN OUT OF NEBRASKA.

THIS IS EARL COON.

EARL SERVES AS OUR ASSOCIATION SECRETARY THIS YEAR AND THEN NEXT TO HIM.

THIS GENTLEMAN IS GARY MORTON.

GARY SERVES ON THE ASSOCIATION BOARD, BUT IS ALSO OUR CHAIRMAN OF OUR WRCA FOUNDATION BOARD.

SO AS HOW SHOULD I APPROPRIATELY ADDRESS COUNCILWOMAN FREDA POWELL? IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO? I WOULD ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE I SAY .

OK? MAYOR PRO TEM HAD MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A PURPOSE FOR OUR EXISTENCE WITH OUR WRCA FOUNDATION.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS EVENT.

THIS ISN'T PUTTING MONEY IN MY POCKET OR THESE GUYS POCKETS OR ANY INDIVIDUALS POCKETS.

WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT RAISES THOSE FUNDS, AND THOSE DOLLARS GO RIGHT BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

THEY GO RIGHT BACK OUT INTO THE POCKETS OF REAL PEOPLE.

SO CITY OF AMARILLO, OVER THE 25 YEARS, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS RIGHT NOW, CLOSE TO SEVEN MILLION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN BACK TO WORKING RANCH COWBOY FAMILIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

THOSE THINGS RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, A PERSON BREAKS A LEG AND NEEDS SOME HELP STAYING EMPLOYED DURING THAT STRETCH OF TIME THAT THEY'RE OFF THE JOB.

MAYBE THE WIFE IS DEALING WITH AN ILLNESS HERSELF OR SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSED THAT TO BE A HARDSHIP.

MAYBE A CHILD IS DEALING WITH AN ILLNESS, SOMETHING THAT THE FAMILY IS HAVING A HARDSHIP ON.

THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT AMARILLO HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR, RIGHT? THIS THIS ISN'T JUST SOME FUN EVENT THAT WE PUT ON.

NOW I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS A VERY FUN EVENT.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR TICKETS, PLEASE COME AND SUPPORT US.

WRCA.ORG, I HATE TO GIVE A COMMERCIAL THERE, BUT WRCA.ORG WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION ON OUR SCHEDULE AND IT'LL GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON WHERE YOU CAN BUY A TICKET IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITY COUNCIL.

CANNOT TELL YOU THE HOURS AND HOURS OF MEETINGS AND PLANNING AND WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT THIS EVENT CAN STAY HERE IN AMARILLO.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP US HERE, AS WELL AS OTHER EVENTS THAT USE OUR AMARILLO CIVIC CENTER.

SO THANK YOU GUYS.

APPRECIATE YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

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MIC].

OK, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MS. JENIFER RAMIREZ FOR OUR PUBLIC ADDRESS.

[PUBLIC ADDRESS]

YOUR INPUT AND YOUR OPINIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO US.

WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE TO SHARE THEM.

AT EACH POSTED MEETING WE INVITE OUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL REGARDING POSTED AGENDA ITEMS. EVERY SPEAKER HAS THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND AT THE END OF TWO AND A HALF MINUTES, A WARNING BEEP WILL SOUND TO ALERT YOU THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT TO WRAP UP YOUR THOUGHTS.

WE ASK THAT YOU STAY WITHIN THE THREE MINUTES ALLOTTED.

SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO ITEMS ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

DOING SO HELPS THE CITY COUNCIL ENSURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND ARE ABLE TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE MEETING FOR ALL.

WHEN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE FIRST SPEAKER UP IS JAMES SKANK, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONLY SPEAKER TODAY.

YES, SIR.

I'M GOING TO TRY OUT FOR A RODEO CLOWN SOMETIME SOON.

YOU CAN SEE I'M SORT OF DRESSED FOR IT.

JAMES SKANK, THERE WE GO.

WE ALL KNOW THAT PROP EIGHT FAILED, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET DOWN TO A CONFUSION PART BECAUSE WE DID MOVE UP TO WHAT YOU CALLED A VOTER APPROVED FORTY FOUR THREE THREE FOUR CENTS, WHICH IS ABOUT A SIX POINT THREE PERCENT INCREASE, AND THAT'S MUCH OVER THE THREE POINT FIVE CAP.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME EXPLANATION AS TO HOW YOU WENT TO THE 44 CENTS AND THEN PLUS YOU CALL IT VOTER APPROVED.

BUT YET IT WASN'T.

Y'ALL DID THAT.

SO ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU GET YOU TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT TO WHERE WE COULD HEAR YOU AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND I KNOW THIS REQUIRES A NEW BUDGET REDO, AND I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE FUN.

IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE A NEW BUDGET.

WE'RE GOING TO STILL GO FOR TWENTY FOUR MILLION ON THE TOTAL BUDGET.

YOU'RE SAYING, NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE A REDO AND OK, I GOT A THUMBS UP ON THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE ARP MONEY IS GOING TO FIT INTO THE BUDGET.

ALSO, [INAUDIBLE] TO GIVE ME A CALL AND TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I REALIZE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT MUST GO ON.

AND ONE OF THEM TODAY IS SUGGESTED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH PARKS AND REC AND POSSIBLY CLOSE A PARK OR TWO OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD TAKE.

AND IT CONFUSES ME WHEN I LOOK BACK AT THE BUDGETS OVER THE LAST, SAY, BUDGET 17, 18, 18, 19, 19, 20, YOU HAD SEVEN PLUS MILLION DOLLARS IN MAINTENANCE.

THAT YOU USED EXPENDITURES THAT YOU USED ON THE PARKS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE DETERIORATING.

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MAYBE CONSIDER TALKING TO SOME OF THEIR LARGE CORPORATIONS TO ADOPT PARKS, ADOPT THOSE FIELDS, HELP WITH HAVING SOME MONEY ON THOSE FIELDS.

IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY NEEDING THAT, BUT SEE WITH A HUNDRED MILLION IN RESERVES AND STUFF, WE SHOULD NEVER LET THIS GO ON BECAUSE THAT'S THE RAINY DAY AND IT WAS OBVIOUSLY RAINING WHEN YOU DROP THE PARKS DOWN TO $100,000 ON MAINTENANCE MONEY, THAT'S TOUGH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JAMES.

APPRECIATE THAT.

MR. CITY MANAGER, COULD YOU ASK A MEMBER OF YOUR STAFF TO TO MAYBE GET WITH MR. SKANK TO ANSWER SOME OF HIS QUESTIONS THAT HE HAS IN REGARDS TO THE THE TAX RATE AND THEN ALSO THE ARP FUNDS? YES, MA'AM.

AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER LAURA STORRS CAN HANDLE THAT.

AND LET'S SEE, HE'S GOT AN APPOINTMENT WITH HER MAYBE.

ALREADY.

OK.

OK, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

[1.A. Review agenda items for regular meeting and attachments;]

MR. CITY MANAGER.

AS THERE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HERE, IS THERE ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, ON THE NON CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT WE CAN TOUCH BASE ON NOW BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE MEETING? MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER.

MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM 1B, WHICH IS THE REPORT ON THE SAN JACINTO ARTS PROJECT

[1.B. Report on San Jacinto Arts Project]

ALL RIGHT, WITH US TODAY WE HAVE MELYNN HUNTLEY.

I KNOW, I SEE ALSO WE HAVE EDIE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO.

OH, WAIT, NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, ITEM.

MELYNN, YOU'RE ON.

THANKS.

I HAVE A WHOLE CREW HERE.

INTRODUCE YOUR CREW, OK? AND I HEAR YOU'VE GOT SOME PRESENTS TOO.

YES, WE HAVE TONS OF PRESENTS, SO YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT IT'S CHRISTMAS.

BUT FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW? YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ARTS PROJECTS NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND GOING IN AND IDENTIFYING THE HISTORY OF AN AREA, ASKING ARTISTS TO CREATE WORKS, SELLING THE WORKS AND THE FUNDS THEN GO IN TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE OF US FOR THAT AND WE ARE QUITE GRATEFUL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THIS IS KIND OF BECOME A TRADITION IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST CREATE THE HISTORY AND THEN IT JUST POOF GOES AWAY.

SO EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS MADE THE DECISION TO GIVE SOME OF THESE PIECES OF ART TO THE CITY TO HANG IN YOUR HALLWAYS AND TO THIS PARTICULAR GROUP HAS JUST GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO HELP DECORATE HELP CAPTURE THE HISTORY OF AMARILLO.

SO I WANTED TO PRESENT THIS FIRST ONE, AND THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS.

THIS IS A WATERCOLOR OF THE SAN JACINTO FIRE STATION, WHICH WAS PROPERTY OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO.

AND IT'S THAT PRECIOUS LITTLE FIRE STATION THERE ON GEORGIA.

THIS IS A WATERCOLOR BY LOU BAGGETT, JUST VERY FRESH, VERY BEAUTIFUL.

SO THAT'S ONE.

BUT WE DIDN'T STOP THERE.

SO THIS IS ONE AND WE HAVE THE ARTIST PRESENT TODAY WHO DID THIS ONE, THIS ONE IS CALLED THE KING OF VIBE, AND IT'S ABOUT A GENTLEMAN NAME, JEREMIAH, WHO IS A POET.

HE'S A MUSICIAN.

HE PERFORMS ALONG 6TH STREET.

BUT WHEN WE SELECTED THIS ONE, IT'S JUST KIND OF AS A REMINDER THAT WHEN YOU SERVE THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE SERVING THIS DIVERSE GROUP.

AND THIS WAS JUST A REMINDER OF THE DIVERSITY OF AMARILLO, AS WELL AS THE TALENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STRIVING TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEY LOVE GREATLY SO.

ADRIAN AND SHE RECENTLY MOVED TO AMARILLO AND HAS JUST DECIDED THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO BE.

AND WE JUST FELT LIKE THE CITY OF AMARILLO NEEDED HER.

WE NEED HER AND WE NEEDED HER WORK.

SO OK, THEN AND THEN, I'M CATHERINE [INAUDIBLE], THE PRESIDENT OF THE SAN JACINTO

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YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR PICTURE IN A MINUTE.

YOU DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION.

[LAUGHTER] SO I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR ART SHOW, AND WE'VE RAISED NEARLY $5000 TO GO TOWARDS SOME PROJECTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE EVEN HAVE MORE PAINTINGS HANGING IN SOME OF THE SHOPS FOR SALE.

SO IF YOU FIND YOURSELF ON 6TH STREET, YOU MIGHT FIND ANOTHER PIECE OF ART DOWN THERE THAT WILL BE FOR PURCHASE.

MAYOR GINGER NELSON EVEN PAINTED A PIECE FOR US AND WE'VE GOT A RAFFLE GOING ON AT NOMAD'S ON 6TH STREET.

WE'LL HAVE THAT THROUGH DECEMBER 9TH WHEN THEY HAVE A [INAUDIBLE].

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN I WANTED TO PRESENT A PAINTING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THAT WOULD BE WITH EMILY.

AND IS ANNE-MARIE STILL HERE? WE ARE PRESENTING A PICTURE.

A PHOTOGRAPH THAT WAS MADE BY HALEY BROOKS.

COME ON UP HERE WITH HER ART.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE INCLUDED ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THING TO CHOOSE FROM WAS NOT ONLY THE BUILDINGS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE ALSO SAID WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE OF SAN JACINTO.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE GREAT PAINTING OF JEREMIAH, AND THEN HALEY TOOK THIS PICTURE OF HER DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER'S BEST FRIEND, STARTING THEIR FIRST DAY OF KINDERGARTEN.

AND WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO EMILY KOLLER ANNE-MARIE TORI, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HELP US.

AND SO WHEN YOUR STAFF IS WORKING HARD, WE WANT YOU TO SAY WE'RE WORKING FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

[APPLAUSE] AND THEN ONE LAST PIECE WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THIS PIECE OF ART WAS PAINTED BY A FRESHMAN AT TASCOSA, SO SHE WROTE IN HER BIO THAT SHE GREW UP.

SHE HAS LIVED HER ALL OF HER 14 YEARS OF LIFE, THREE BLOCKS FROM ROUTE 66.

AND THIS IS KIND OF A SELF-PORTRAIT OF HER AND HER IDEA, HER NAME OF THIS, THE NAME OF THIS IS CALLED FLOURISHING.

SO SHE'S GOT ALL THESE IDEAS FLOURISHING IN HER MIND.

AND WE ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS FITTING THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR SALE, A LIMITED EDITION SIGNED AND NUMBERED.

AND WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF AMARILLO HELPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO FLOURISH.

THE NAME OF HER PAINTING.

THANK YOU.

SO THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] JUST WANTED TO GIVE A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO YOU ALL AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, AND IT'S SO APPRECIATED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE HISTORY OF AMARILLO.

AND AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN THE MEETING OVER TO MAYOR GINGER NELSON.

THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF WE CAN ALL TAKE A PICTURE TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A WORTHY MOMENT.

YES.

WE WANT TO BE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THESE GIFTS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ENJOYING THEM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

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MIC] PERFECT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

WELL, Y'ALL WORK ON IT FOR JUST A SECOND.

I'M GOING TO DEPART FROM THE AGENDA FOR JUST A MINUTE AND EDIE WE'RE GOING TO BUMP

[PUBLIC ADDRESS]

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO RECLASSIFY YOU AS PUBLIC ADDRESS.

AND IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO MANEUVER THOSE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR POSTER BOARD, BUT OK, WOW.

SO EXCITING.

OH, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO DID SO MUCH WORK, OK? I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE DOING THIS TODAY.

WELL, THAT'S OK.

I THINK WE'RE JUST HERE TO OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE THE AWARD FROM TXDOT FOR THE BARRIO STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT GRANT, THEN THE NUMBER ON THE CHECK.

THEY SAID IT WAS SO LARGE THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO WRITE IT.

[LAUGHTER] ONE MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR DOLLARS.

THEY'RE USING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN PROPOSITION ONE BOND FUNDING AS THE MATCH, AND I THINK IT'S JUST A REALLY AMAZING EXAMPLE OF THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CITY.

SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE TODAY.

YES.

OK.

AND THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SHARE IS THAT AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL.

WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO EMILY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE WHO DISCOVERED THIS GRANT FOR US AND REALLY DID A LOT OF THE WORK FOR IT.

WE ASKED FOR ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN THOUSAND, I THINK WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN SEE THIS, BUT THIS GRANT IS FOR ONE POINT SEVEN NINE MILLION DOLLARS THAT TAKES CARE OF WHAT ALL THE SIDEWALKS AND THE ADA RAMPS ON FROM GARFIELD TO ARTHUR.

GARFIELD TO ROSS.

THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

IT'S ACTUALLY TO ROSS.

YEAH, GARFIELD TO ROSS.

YEAH, SORRY.

[LAUGHTER] WELL, DON'T WANT TO SHORTEN IT.

NO, GET IT ALL IN THERE.

NO, NO, NO.

LIKE I SAID, I FOUND OUT YESTERDAY I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS AND I WAS LIKE, OK, WAIT A MINUTE.

WELL, YOUR CHECK LOOKS NICE.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK ANY TIME YOU WANT TO BRING A ONE POINT SEVEN NINE MILLION DOLLAR CHECK.

[LAUGHTER] THANKS, EDIE.

OK, MOVING ON THEN TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 1C, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION ON

[1.C. Discuss Parks and Recreation Service Adjustments to Include Potential Future Park Closures]

MR. CITY MANAGER JUST AND ACTUALLY, I GUESS BEFORE I HAND IT TO YOU, I'LL JUST SAY I REQUESTED THIS AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS A COUNCIL ON WHERE WE GO FROM HERE WITH REGARD TO PARK FUNDING.

SO WE HAD VISITED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE ASKED THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT A HIGHER LEVEL OF REVENUE FOR MAINTAINING AND DOING SOME WORK ON OUR PARKS AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

SO NOW I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AS A COUNCIL ABOUT HOW WE GIVE PARKS AND REC DIRECTION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE REVENUE THAT THEY DID GET APPROPRIATED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

WHAT PRIORITIES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.

AND I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WHAT DATA DO WE WANT TO SEE FROM PARKS AND REC IN ORDER TO MAKE FUNDING DECISIONS AND SET PRIORITIES WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD AND UNDER THE PARKS MASTER PLAN? I JUST THINK WE NEED A CONVERSATION AS A COUNCIL ABOUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM IS.

JARED.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? NO, IT REALLY IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION.

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BUT WE NEED TO START HAVING THE CONVERSATION IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY WHERE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR IT AND PROVIDE INPUT AND FEEDBACK TO COUNCIL ON WHAT THEY THINK ARE THE PREFERRED DIRECTIONS TO GO WITH REGARD TO HOW WE HANDLE OUR PARKS INVENTORY.

A LOT OF THIS CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF THE PARKS ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATED THAT WE WERE MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SHORT ANNUALLY ON WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO SPEND IF WE WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT PARKS INVENTORY.

FORGET EXPANSION, SO THIS REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS THINGS LIKE NEEDED CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE LIGHTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT WANT TO JUST GIVE COUNCILMAN OPPORTUNITIES TO START THE CONVERSATION.

AND THERE'S NO PRECONCEIVED ESTIMATE FOR HOW LONG THIS CONVERSATION NEEDS TO TAKE TODAY.

WE'LL JUST KEEP BRINGING IT, YOU KNOW, AS APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION POINTS COME UP SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE INPUT FROM COUNCIL THAT CAN GUIDE WHAT WE DO WITH REGARD TO OUR CURRENT PARKS INVENTORY, HOW WE MANAGE IT, HOW WE MAINTAIN IT, HOW WE EXPAND IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.

AND YOU'LL SEE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY AND CONSENT THAT IS I'M TALKING ABOUT ADDING OR UTILIZING FUNDS THAT ARE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO MAKE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE WITH REGARD TO SOME OF OUR SPORTS FACILITIES.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM RIGHT AWAY, BUT IT IS GOING TO HELP US INFORM US AS TO WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS FAR AS TARGETS FINANCIALLY TO BE ABLE TO DO NEEDED FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO REALLY, IT'S IN WAY OF INTRODUCTION.

MAYOR, I'M NOT GOING TO STEER YOU IN ANY ONE DIRECTION.

IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? OK, SO MICHAEL'S HERE, LAURA, IS HERE, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT TO HAVE THEM AT THE PODIUM TO DO ANY DIALOG, BUT MAINLY I JUST THOUGHT, SURELY Y'ALL WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS.

AND WHERE WE WOULD BEGIN TO STEER MICHAEL ON WHAT PRIORITIES? I MEAN, WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME DURING THE BUDGET TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

BUT DO YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM MICHAEL AGAIN ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE NEEDS ARE OR.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MICHAEL KIND OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.

YOU KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THAT WE CAN GO.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA NOW THAT WE ARE PAST THE ELECTION.

OK.

SO AND MICHAEL, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT BIG CONVERSATION TODAY, BECAUSE PROBABLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO GO BACK WITH YOUR TEAM AND PUT TOGETHER, BUT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT DURING BUDGET, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT YOU MIGHT SAY THE TOP FIVE NEEDS ARE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL MICHAEL KASHUBA, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

I THINK THIS CONVERSATION REALLY STARTED BACK WHEN WE STARTED OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED THAT, BUT WHEN WE COMPLETED THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS THAT WE OWNED $100 BILLION WORTH OF ASSETS.

THAT'S PARK BENCHES, THAT'S POOLS THAT'S FACILITIES WITHIN THE ZOO.

IT'S EVERYTHING THAT PARKS AND REC COVERS.

AT THAT POINT, WE SHOULD BE SPENDING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE POINT THREE AND THREE POINT EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY, JUST FIXING CURRENT ASSETS THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S NOT ADDING NEW ASSETS JUST WHERE WE ARE AS A DEPARTMENT.

AT THAT TIME, WHEN WE INITIALLY FINISHED THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, OUR HIGH RISK ASSETS WERE ABOUT 14 MILLION.

JUST PLUS OR MINUS EIGHT OF THAT WAS THE THOMPSON PARK POOL.

AND SO COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY APPROVED FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.

BUT WHEN WE WENT BACK AND WE RAN THOSE NUMBERS THIS YEAR, WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT OUR HIGH RISK IS REALLY MORE LIKE 50 MILLION NOW.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST ABOUT THE DECAY CURVE ON ASSETS AND HOW OVER TIME THOSE ASSETS AGE.

AND IF YOU DON'T PUT PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE BACK INTO THOSE THINGS, THEY START TO DECAY MUCH QUICKER.

REALLY, WHAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS A LOT OF OUR ASSETS REALLY CAN'T BE REPAIRED.

THEY NEED TO JUST BE REPLACED.

ANECDOTALLY, WE'VE HAD PARK MAINTENANCE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

DECKS ON PLAYGROUNDS HAVE FALLEN THROUGH.

THEY'VE HAD TO GO WELD THEM BACK UP.

THAT'S A VERY SHORT TERM FIX.

THAT'S NOT A LONG TERM FIX.

AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME SIGNIFICANT ASSET NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

WHAT WE HEARD FROM OUR COMMUNITY WHEN WE DID OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.

SO ONCE WE KNEW WHERE WE WERE IN TERMS OF ASSETS, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

AND WHEN WE DID THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, WE HAD THE RED X CAMPAIGN AND WE HAD ALMOST 7000 PEOPLE FILL OUT THAT SURVEY.

AND AT THAT TIME, 69, ALMOST 70 PERCENT OF THE COMMUNITY SAID THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT INCREASED FUNDING FOR PARKS.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE INVESTMENT PRIORITIES, AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE ONE PAGER THAT WE'D PUT TOGETHER KIND OF OUTLINING SOME OF THE ITEMS FROM THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

BUT WHAT WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR IN THE FIRST ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT ALSO THE SECOND ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS FIX WHAT YOU GOT.

FIX WHAT YOU'VE GOT.

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FIX WHAT YOU'VE GOT.

AND SO THAT REALLY IS OUR GOAL IS TO START TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE HIGH PRIORITY ISSUES THAT WE KNOW WE'RE ALREADY FACING.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT A NEW TOOL.

WE JUST APPROVED OR COUNCIL JUST APPROVED THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

IT GIVES US SOME TOOLS AND SOME THINGS TO TALK THROUGH AS WE WORK WITH OUR PARK BOARD IN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AS A DEPARTMENT.

I WILL JUST SAY VERY BRIEFLY IN ONE OF THE CHAPTERS IT TALKS ABOUT SOME ACTION ITEMS, SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD POTENTIALLY.

THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE INCREASED FEES AND REVENUES, REDUCING A LEVEL OF SERVICE.

WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT AT THIS TIME, REDUCE SUBSIDIES, ELIMINATING HIGH RISK VENTURES.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE PARTNERSHIPS OR IDEAS THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RISKY.

THEY MIGHT HAVE A HIGHER RETURN, BUT THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT RISKY VENTURE.

DIVERSIFY FUNDING SO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE BROUGHT THE JOHN STIFF DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF DIVERSIFYING FUNDING SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST FROM THE TAX RATE AND THEN JUST TO MAINTAIN FOCUS ON CORE SERVICES.

I THINK WITHIN THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT COULD BE HAD, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MAIN TALKING POINTS.

THE MAIN IDEAS THAT OUR CONSULTANT PROVIDED AS A PART OF THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN ON WAYS TO START MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT PARKS, CAPITAL SPENDING, PARKS BUDGETS EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO THE PARKS BUDGET, OPERATING BUDGET HAS GONE UP EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

SAME IS TRUE ON CAPITAL SPENDING, BUT THE OPPOSITE.

SPENDING ON CAPITAL EXPENDITURES HAS GONE DOWN EVERY YEAR, EXCEPT FOR TWO NOW.

PARKS CAPITAL YOU WERE SAYING.

PARKS CAPITAL, CORRECT, PARKS CAPITAL AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT COSTS KEEP GOING UP.

AVAILABLE REVENUES ARE THE SAME, SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, ARE WE GOING TO DO CAPITAL PROJECTS OR ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND TRY AND MAINTAIN OUR PARKS? AND WHEN I SAY TRY AND MAINTAIN, WHAT I MEAN IS WE WERE FALLING SHORT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE REVENUE STAYING THE SAME AVAILABLE REVENUE STAYING THE SAME, THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP UP WITH AN EVER GROWING PARKS INVENTORY WAS DIMINISHED, NOT JUST DIMINISHED, BUT COMPOUNDING THAT THAT DIMINISHED ABILITY TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP UP WAS COMPOUNDED BECAUSE NOT ONLY WHERE WAS INFLATION HAPPENING AND MORE MONEY WAS MOVING FROM CAPITAL TO OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO.

THE NUMBER OF PARKS AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKS THAT WE WERE MAINTAINING WAS GOING UP.

WE CONTINUE TO GROW THAT INVENTORY WITHOUT CONSIDERING OR WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT GROWING INVENTORY.

SO IT'S A TWO EDGED SWORD WHERE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS WAS GOING DOWN.

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR PARKS OPERATIONS WAS GOING UP EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

HOWEVER, IT WASN'T KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION OR WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH.

SO WE HAD A REAL CHALLENGE IN PARKS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO A HEAD THROUGH THE PARKS ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEN ALSO IS BETTER INFORMED THROUGH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, AS MICHAEL HAS MENTIONED.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA INFORMATION AS FAR AS YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.

WHY HAS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES BEEN GOING DOWN? WHY HAS THE PARK BUDGET BEEN GOING UP? BUT IT'S NOT ADEQUATE TO KEEP UP WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT BUDGET, SO IT WASN'T GOING UP AS FAR AS IT WOULD NEED TO GO EVERY YEAR TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWING ASSET INVENTORY, ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED INFLATION, ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, ET CETERA, TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE ALL THOSE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES.

SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THERE.

OK, COUNCIL, LET'S START SOME DIALOG BETWEEN THE FIVE OF US OF, YOU KNOW WHAT, INFORMATION DO WE NEED FROM STAFF TO BEGIN TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION ON WHERE WE GO WITH PARKS AND THE SPENDING THAT WE DO HAVE? HOW SHOULD IT BE PRIORITIZED? WELL, MAYOR, JUST FOR ME MYSELF, I CAN JUST TELL YOU A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT'S ON MY LIST RIGHT NOW THAT IS LIGHTING AT OUR PARKS.

I MEAN, THAT'S HUGE FOR ME BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY CITIZENS THAT WALK EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE IN THE EVENINGS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT THE LIGHTING AND THEN SIDEWALKS THAT ARE UNEVEN.

AND I KNOW THE PARKING LOTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTHOLES.

SO THOSE ARE MY THREE TOP THINGS.

JUST TO [INAUDIBLE].

WELL, I'LL KEEP COME BACK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT PASSED.

HOWARD.

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT LIGHTING.

I WAS REMINDED SINCE SUNDAY IT SURE DOES GET DARK EARLY.

YEAH.

AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO GET THE LIGHTING.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS.

AND IS THAT A PROJECT THAT WE WOULD DO MAYBE WITH XCEL ENERGY OR WORK WITH THEM? PARTNER WITH THEM.

OK, SO LIGHTING AGAIN, ANOTHER PRIORITY AND SPORTS FIELDS, LIGHTING.

I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PLAY IN THE SUMMERTIME AFTER DARK WITHOUT AND WE CAN'T HOLD TOURNAMENTS AGAIN.

I MEAN, I THINK MICHAEL, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, ANYTHING THAT'S REVENUE GENERATING, THAT'S A DOLLAR WELL SPENT AND LIGHTING FOR OUR SPORTS FIELDS, WILL GENERATE REVENUE THROUGH TOURNAMENTS AND WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY GENERATING THAT.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS MORE ON THAT.

SO.

I'M A YAY FOR MORE INFORMATION ON LIGHTING.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAD DOWN THAT PATH, I THINK THE LIGHTING IS GOING TO BE REAL IMPORTANT, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GENERATE FUNDING, DOES THAT MEAN HOW DO WE MAKE? BECAUSE ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS THAT WE KEPT HEARING WHENEVER WE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL THE CITIZENS WAS THE QUALITY OF THE FIELDS THAT WE HAD AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S GOT TO BE REALLY ADDRESSED.

I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THOSE ASSOCIATIONS, AND IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE TURF.

I MEAN, TO HAVE FIELDS, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS WHEN YOU HAVE FIELDS THAT ARE TURF, THEY BECOME 24-7, 365.

AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ABILITY TO GENERATE INCOME ON IT, THEN I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ALSO HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PLAN.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS PART, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IS GOING TO BE DO WE END UP IN THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF IT, ARE THERE PARKS THAT IF WE TAKE OFFLINE BECAUSE BASICALLY ALL THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS IN STAGE FOUR OR STAGE FIVE, DO WE TAKE THOSE OFF.

WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE OFFLINE DOES THAT REALLY SAVE MONEY OR DOES IT NOT SAVE MONEY? I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE AGE OF THESE PARKS THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE WITH SPRINKLER SYSTEMS THAT ARE LIKE A GAZILLION YEARS OLD.

ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, THAT REALLY PROBABLY HAVE NEEDED TO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND THAT'S WHY THE PARKS LOOK SOME OF THE WAY THAT SOME OF THE PARKS LOOK.

THE OTHER THING IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, I HATE FOR US TO BRING UP THIS ONE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE ZOO.

IS THAT A VIABLE CANDIDATE ANYMORE BASED UPON THE WAY THINGS ARE AND THE WAY THAT THE ZOO IS STRUCTURED AT THIS POINT IN TIME? DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS GOLF AGAIN? IS THERE A SAVINGS BY TAKING A GOLF COURSE OFFLINE? IS THERE? OR ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT, IS THERE CAN WE OFFSET THAT BY RAISING FEES? WE HAVE THE LOWEST FEES IN THE STATE FOR PLAYING MUNICIPAL GOLF.

NOT BY A LITTLE, BUT BY A LONG SHOT.

IT IS BY FAR THE MOST ECONOMICAL PLACE TO PLAY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO DO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY WHERE WE MAKE IT COME CLOSER TO BREAKING EVEN THAN WHAT IT ALREADY DOES? THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT.

ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS IS I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DEAL WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DEAL AT JOHN STIFF PARK.

THAT IS A POTENTIAL REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP OUR PARKS OR HEAD THEM IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE TO FIND SOME WAYS TO MAKE UP FOR THE THREE POINT THREE TO $3.8 MILLION DOLLARS OF REVENUE THAT WE NEED CURRENTLY TO MAKE THAT WORK.

AND SO THAT'S WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND DOES THAT INCLUDE TAKING THINGS OFFLINE AND WHICH WHAT WOULD BE THE ORDER OF OFFLINE? AND DO YOU HAVE PARKS THAT THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS IN SO BAD OF REPAIR THAT IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO JUST REMOVE ALL THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OFF THE PARK AND MAYBE MAINTAIN IT WITH MOWERS? I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WE KIND OF END UP MOVING FORWARD.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THAT'S JUST A START I COULD GO ON, BUT I'LL STOP AT THAT.

SO YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE INFORMATION ON WHAT THINGS ARE WE SUBSIDIZING, WHAT PARK OPERATIONS ARE NOT COST NEUTRAL? WHAT PARK OPERATIONS ARE GENERATING REVENUE AND WHAT PARK OPERATIONS DOES IT COST US MORE TO MAINTAIN THAN OTHERS? SO LIKE WE COULD DO AND ACROSS THE BOARD, LOOK AND SEE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING THE

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I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ALSO.

I MEAN, I KNOW THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE.

WHAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN FOCUSING ON ARE OUR ACTUAL REVENUE LIKE REVENUE TO THE CITY BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S WE'VE GOT NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SHORT ON AND WE DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THEM UP.

SO WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT OUR PROGRAMS TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT SO.

YES, I'M INTERESTED IN THE ECONOMICS TO OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND WE ALL ARE.

BUT I THINK I REALLY WANT TO SEE INFORMATION GOING FORWARD ABOUT ACTUAL DOLLARS INTO CITY REVENUE.

COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO TO MOVE FORWARD, IF WE CAN GO BACK JUST A STEP.

3.3 MILLION PER YEAR IN JUST IN FIXING ASSETS, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

THOSE AGING ASSETS.

SO IN MAINTAINING, WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT'S MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, MOWING THE FIELDS, PICKING UP THE TRASH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE THREE POINT THREE MILLION THAT YOU'RE OUTLINING IS NOT MAINTAINING, BUT REPLACING FENCING BLEACHERS.

WHAT ELSE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? CORRECT.

SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR NORMAL OPERATIONS, WHICH IS OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET, WHICH WOULD COVER PERSONNEL FLEET, ALL OF THE THINGS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS.

SO MOWING PARKS, PUTTING THE PLAY CHIPS UNDERNEATH THE PLAYGROUNDS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH PARK MAINTENANCE.

WHAT THAT THREE POINT THREE TO THREE POINT EIGHT IS REALLY OUR ASSETS.

SO THE THINGS WITH LOCATED WITHIN OUR PARKS, WHETHER IT'S A BENCH, A SWIMMING POOL, A TRASH CAN, A SHELTER, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN SHORT IN TERMS OF THE CAPITAL FUNDING.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRICE TAG OF A PLAYGROUND BEING ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS AN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, THERE'S BEEN 100,000.

THAT'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH TO REPLACE ONE PLAYGROUND.

SO YOU START TO FALL INTO A DEFICIT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF AGING ASSETS WITHIN OUR PARKS.

OK, SO THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

SO OUR FORTY FOUR CENT TAX RATE THAT PASSED PUT THREE POINT FOUR MILLION INTO PARKS AND REC IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE NUMBER THREE POINT TWO.

THREE POINT TWO.

AND THEN IF IT HAD PASSED THE FORTY EIGHT CENT TAX RATE, THAT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT FOUR POINT THREE.

FOUR POINT FIVE.

SO MILLION TWO DIFFERENCE IN THE FAILED ELECTION.

SO LOOKING AT THAT, YOUR THREE POINT TWO MILLION THAT YOU HAVE IN ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT WILL BE THERE EVERY YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE'RE ON, ABOUT A 12 YEAR REPLACEMENT PLAN, WE HAVE ROUGHLY $40 MILLION IN ASSETS.

IS THAT RIGHT? WE'VE GOT 100 MILLION.

WE'VE GOT 50 THAT'S HIGH RISK.

SO WE'RE ALREADY 50 MILLION THAT ARE EITHER FAILED OR ABOUT TO FAIL.

AND THAT NUMBER WILL CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

GIVEN WHAT'S INVENTORIED IS FAILING.

YEAH, IT'S LIKELY TO GO UP.

IS IT TRENDING UP OR TRENDING DOWN? WELL, IT'S GOING TO.

IF WE DON'T MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S GOING TO KEEP TRENDING DOWN.

SO PART OF WHAT IT IS WITH AN ASSET IN ORDER TO EXTEND THE LIFE AND TO SPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OVER THE LONGEST PERIOD OF TIME, YOU WANT TO DO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, WHICH HELPS TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE ASSET.

WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE BASICALLY DRIVEN THAT ASSET TO FAILURE.

SO I WOULD USE THE ANALOGY IF YOU BUY A CAR, YOU DON'T CHANGE THE OIL, YOU DON'T CHANGE THE TIRES, YOU DON'T FIX THE WINDSHIELD WIPERS.

YOUR CAR IS GOING TO WEAR OUT PRETTY QUICK.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS A LOT OF OUR ASSETS HAVE ARE AT A POINT OF FAILURE.

YOU REALLY CAN'T.

THERE'S NO POINT IN FIXING THE TIRES WHEN THE ENGINE IS BLOWN ON THE CAR, SO IT'S FIXING AND REPLACING THOSE ASSETS.

AND THIS 3.2 OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO PARKS ANNUALLY THROUGH THIS BUDGET IS NOT JUST FOR ASSET REPLACEMENT, IT'S ALSO GOING TO ENHANCE MAINTENANCE AND PROVIDE US ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE NOW.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IT'S STILL OUR MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, OUTSTRIP OUR RESOURCES EVEN AT THIS POINT, EVEN WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THERE'S STILL ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE TO

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SO WHAT WAS THE OLD BUDGET? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD $100,000 IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN 2020 THAT WAS DUE TO COVID.

HOW MUCH DID WE NOT SPEND IN THAT BUDGETARY YEAR THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BECAUSE OF COVID? WHEN IS NORMAL IS THE QUESTION, WELL, HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND IN 2019? WHAT WAS THE BUDGET IN 2018? ROUGHLY $100,000 FOR THE LAST HANDFUL OF YEARS IT'S BEEN ZERO ONE YEAR.

IT'S BEEN AS HIGH AS FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

BUT FOR EVERY SINGLE YEAR OUTSIDE OF THAT ONE INCREASE, WE'VE HAD DECLINING EXPENDITURES IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN THE PARKS AREA FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.

IS THE DECLINE IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES ON PARK DUE TO COVID? NO.

YEAH, I THINK I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

SO THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PHRASE IT.

WE STILL HAD OUR BUDGET FOR NORMAL PARK MAINTENANCE AND DAY TO DAY BUSINESS OPERATIONS.

DURING COVID SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE FROZEN, AND THAT'S ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE.

SO SOME OF OUR PARK MAINTENANCE POSITIONS WERE FROZEN DURING COVID.

YES, YEAH.

DURING COVID, WE SPREAD OUT.

WE STRETCHED OUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN PARK MOWS.

WE FROZE HUNDREDS OF PART TIME POSITIONS AND THEN A LOT OF FULL TIME POSITIONS.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, A LOT IS NOT A GOOD NUMBER TO USE.

IT'S VERY GENERAL.

BUT WE STOPPED HIRING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT THROUGHOUT THE EARLY, I WOULD SAY, THE FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF COVID.

SO WE GOT REALLY AGGRESSIVE TO TRYING TO NOT SPEND MONEY THAT WE COULD AT ALL AVOID SPENDING AND THAT'S NOT JUST IN PARKS WAS IN ALL OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS.

SO YEAH, WE DID REDUCE EXPENDITURES SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE DID NOT CUT THE CAPITAL BUDGET SUCH THAT IT WAS.

IT WAS ONLY $100000 THAT YEAR.

SO WE DID NOT CUT THAT.

SO I THINK I'M LOOKING TO KIND OF BREAK THIS DOWN, COMPARTMENTALLY.

THREE POINT TWO MILLION IN ADDITIONAL MONEYS COMING IN.

YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU FORECAST IN THAT ONE POINT TWO MILLION OF IF THE ELECTION HAD PASSED, WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE ACCOMPLISHED? WHAT IS OUR HOW MANY YEARS DO WE NEED TO HAVE A REPLACEMENT PLAN? AND ALL I'M TRYING TO DEFINE HERE IS IS WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE LOOKING AT? ARE WE LOOKING AT A MILLION DOLLAR ISSUE PER YEAR? ARE WE LOOKING AT A $40 MILLION ISSUE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS? SO IF WE CAN TAKE IT AND BREAK IT OUT OVER A REPLACEMENT PLAN OVER THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS, THEN I THINK THAT'S A SMALLER BITE A LITTLE EASIER FOR US TO MANAGE IN MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND.

SO THE ZOO'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE ZOO, HOW MUCH SAVINGS DO YOU NET ON YOUR BUDGET IF YOU WERE TO NOT HAVE A ZOO HERE AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION AND IF ANYBODY DECIDED TO MOVE THAT WAY.

ALSO DUPLICATES.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT OUR CONSULTANT WAS TALKING ABOUT DUPLICATE PARKS, SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN GETTING KIND OF A BOTTOM LINE OF MAYBE FROM YOU, MICHAEL OF HERE'S HOW MANY DUPLICATES WE HAVE THAT ARE WITHIN I THINK SHE SAID A MILE AND A HALF TO WAS IT THREE MILES WAS THE MAXIMUM.

NO IT DEPENDS ON THE SCALE OF THE PARK.

SO IT'S USUALLY BETWEEN A HALF MILE AND A MILE.

AND SO YES, WE'VE STARTED LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE MORE FROM AN OPERATIONAL SIDE.

SO OBVIOUSLY, OUR ASSETS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 50 MILLION, SO WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND.

EVEN IF WE WERE TO SPEND $10 MILLION A YEAR, THAT GETS YOU JUST TO FIXING THOSE ASSETS.

THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER GOOD OR ON THE BORDER ARE PROBABLY GOING TO START SLIDING INTO THAT FAILED STATE.

AND SO WE CAN RUN THOSE DIFFERENT ANALYSIS AND SEE WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN FIVE YEARS IN 10 YEARS? WHAT DOES THAT ASSET CLIFF LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW HOW MANY ASSETS ARE IN A FAILED STATE? I THINK THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR NETWORK, THE PLAYGROUNDS ARE FALLING APART, THE BALL FIELDS ARE FALLING APART.

A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HASN'T REALLY BEEN IMPROVED SINCE PROBABLY THE 70S.

YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHTING THROUGHOUT ALMOST ALL OF OUR PARKS.

IT'S DATED.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE JOHN STIFF SOCCER LIGHTS XCEL WENT AND UPGRADED THE TRANSFORMER, AND THE CHIEF ELECTRICAL WOULD NOT LET US RECONNECT OUR LIGHTS.

SO WE'VE GOT THREE SOCCER FIELD LIGHTS AT JOHN STIFF THAT HAVE LIGHTS THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED.

AND I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WE SEE WITH ALL OF OUR SPORTS COMPLEXES.

ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED TO ME WAS WHY ARE YOU ALL SO TIGHT ON BUDGET THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD LIGHTS? WE ARE TIGHT ON BUDGET, BUT THE FACT THAT SOME OF OUR SPORTS FIELDS LIGHTS ARE NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW IS NOT A BUDGETARY ISSUE.

I MEAN, IT IS A BUDGETARY ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.

BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T AFFORD THE POWER TO RUN THE LIGHTS.

IT WAS BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PLACED ON THE SPS SIDE AND THEY HAD TO

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IT'S NOT THAT THEY WERE DOING ANYTHING BAD, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAD IN PLACE WAS 40 OR 50 YEARS OLD AND COULD NOT BE RE-ENERGIZED WITH THE NEW SYSTEMS THAT SPS HAD PUT IN PLACE, NOT SAFELY.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S ONE OF THE VERY HIGH.

AND MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER, THE MAYOR, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS MENTIONED THAT LIGHTS ARE A PRIORITY.

I DON'T WANT TO CALL ANYBODY OUT OR LEAVE ANYBODY OUT, BUT IT'S BEEN A HUGE PRIORITY, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO.

BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE COULDN'T AFFORD THE POWER.

IT WAS JUST BECAUSE ONCE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACED ON SBS'S SIDE, WE HAD TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA TO BE ABLE TO RE-ENERGIZE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

MORE QUESTIONS.

YEAH, THE OTHER THING WOULD JUST BE AISD CISD, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PARKS ARE WE CURRENTLY MAINTAINING OR CONTRIBUTING TO THAT WE DON'T OWN? AND I KNOW THAT'S IN THAT MASTER PLAN.

SO IF WE COULD REVISIT THAT, PUT THAT BACK ON THE TABLE AND THEN WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE STEPS IN TALKING TO OUR TAXING ENTITY COUNTERPARTS AND YOU KNOW, HOW WE SHARE THE COSTS ON THAT AND COMING BACK TO THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THAT PROBABLY KIND OF ORGANICALLY DEVELOPED OVER DECADES, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING BACK INTO OF FROM A POINT OF FAIRNESS.

YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST LOOK AT ALL OF IT RIGHT NOW, WHAT CAN WE DO WORKING TOGETHER? THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

OK.

SO CAN I ASK ONE OF THE.

SURE, SO THIS ONE'S GOING TO COME OFF OF COLE'S QUESTION.

I UNDERSTAND THE PART ABOUT, DO WE REALLY HAVE 15 YEARS WORTH OF PARK LEFT BECAUSE WE WENT FROM IF I'M REMINDED.

IF I'M WRONG, WE WENT FROM WAS IT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE HAD 14 MILLION IN ASSETS THAT WERE CRITICAL TO NOW WE'VE GOT 50 MILLION OUT OF 100 MILLION IN ASSETS THAT ARE NOW CRITICAL.

SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT NUMBER 18 MONTHS FROM NOW? AND SO IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE WE'VE GOT 15 YEARS TO PUT X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS PER YEAR INTO IT.

IS THAT WOULD THAT BE A FAIR STATEMENT? YEAH.

IF IT'S JUST LIKE THE ANALOGY I USED, IF YOU DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY FIXING THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO DECLINE.

AND SO WHAT WILL END UP IS THAT HIGH RISK CATEGORY WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.

SO WHEN WE HAD FIRST COMPLETED THAT STUDY, WE SAW A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE IN THAT MID RANGE.

SO THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE GOOD, ALMOST BRAND NEW.

YOU HAD A LOT THAT WERE KIND OF FAIR OR THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DECAY CURVE AND THEN YOUR HIGH RISK WAS ABOUT 14 MILLION.

WE HAD A BIG CHUNK THAT WAS IN THAT MIDDLE RANGE THAT WAS ON THAT EDGE OF THE DECAY CURVE.

AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS HAVE SLID FROM THAT MID RANGE DOWN TO THE HIGH RANGE.

SO WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT IS THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD OR NEW ARE GOING TO START TO SLIDE INTO THAT MID RANGE AND THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE MID RANGE WILL CONTINUE TO SLIDE INTO THE HIGH RISK.

SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU REPLACE ASSETS, THEY NOW GO UP TO THE GREEN CATEGORY BACK TO THE NEW CATEGORY, BUT IT JUST BECOMES A QUESTION OF FUNDING.

AND HOW DO YOU START TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT BACKLOG? BUT ALSO THE ONGOING COSTS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD? SO WAS IT AN OUTSIDE ENTITY THAT CAME UP WITH THE 50 MILLION? CORRECT? IT WAS.

WE'VE GOT SOFTWARE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE CONSULTANT THAT DID THAT STUDY.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ONE THING IF IT CAME INTERNALLY.

IT'S ANOTHER THING IF IT COMES EXTERNALLY TELLING US THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE SEE EXTERNALLY AS OPPOSED TO US TRYING TO CREATE IN OUR OWN PROBLEM.

AND I THINK IT WAS ALSO IDENTIFIED IN THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL.

SO WE SAW IT VERY CLEARLY DURING THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.

BUT I THINK IT WAS REITERATED BY OUR CONSULTANT THAT CAME AND DID THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN AS WELL, THAT WE'VE GOT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY LAID OUT THOSE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT AS A PARK STAFF AND AS THE PARK BOARD NEEDS TO WRESTLE THROUGH THOSE AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

SOME OF IT MAY BE LOOKING AT FEES, SOME OF IT MAY BE REDUCING LEVELS OF SERVICE.

SOME OF IT MAY BE LOOKING AT SURPLUS OR DUPLICATED SERVICES.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES AND WORK WITH OUR PARK BOARD ON THAT AND COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO.

OK.

OTHER COMMENTS JUST COMING BACK AROUND, ANYTHING THAT GOT.

SOMETHING THAT COLE MENTION IS REVIEWING THE UNDERSTAND WE ADDRESSED AISD AND HOW WE SPLIT COSTS, AND WE PROPOSE SOME CHANGES TO MAKE IT FAIR.

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WE'VE BEGUN THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH AISD.

SAY AGAIN.

WE'VE BEGUN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH AISD.

WE HAVE MANY MORE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD.

THEY ARE PARTNERS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AS SENSITIVE TO THEM AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL BEING SENSITIVE TO OUR TAXPAYERS.

SO WE'RE EVALUATING THOSE SERVICE CIRCLES FOR DIFFERENT PARKS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH AISD AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARTNERS.

THEY RECOGNIZE THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE.

THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE THE CHALLENGES THEY HAVE.

EVERYONE HAS CHALLENGES FUNDING THOSE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY REDUNDANT, BUT THOSE PARKS THAT MAYBE DON'T FALL INTO A JUSTIFIABLE OR DEFENSIBLE LOCATION WITH REGARD TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY DO SERVE A PURPOSE FOR THE SCHOOLS, ET CETERA.

SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM AND WE'LL KEEP COUNCIL UPDATED AS WE GO AND SEEK GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL WHEN WE GET TO DECISION POINTS.

BUT WE HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS OF COMMUNICATING WITH THEM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN FRONT OF THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY AT THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF THAT.

SO IT MAY BE TOO EARLY TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL, WHAT YOU THINK I'D HEARD THAT WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO AISD WOULD BENEFIT US $700,000.

WELL, COLE MENTIONED DUPLICATION, I THINK HE SAID DUPLICATION, BUT A DUPLICATION OF SERVICES IS THE CONCEPT HE WAS GOING FOR.

AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PARKS THAT ARE SERVING A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR A PARTICULAR AREA, WHEN WE HAVE OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN THAT DON'T HAVE ANY PARKS SERVING THAT AREA.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOCATING OUR PARKS, ASSETS AND RESOURCES IN A WAY THAT BEST SERVES OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND DOESN'T DUPLICATE EFFORTS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN WHERE SCHOOLS ARE LOCATED ARE NOT NECESSARILY LOCATED, WHERE PARKS NEED TO BE LOCATED.

SO FROM A MUNICIPAL PARK STANDPOINT AND THEN FROM A SCHOOL RECREATIONAL STANDPOINT, IN SOME CASES, IN MANY CASES THEY'RE NOT ALIGNED, BUT IN SOME CASES THEY ARE.

SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH AISD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, AND THEN WE ALLOCATE RESOURCES OR RESPONSIBILITY ACCORDINGLY.

AND I MAY NOT BE ANSWERING THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.

I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE A REPORT ON WHERE ARE WE WITH THOSE WHAT'S IN THE INVENTORY? WHAT DO THE CONTRACTS LOOK LIKE? WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION IN STEERING YOU GUYS ON HOW WE GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? AND IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FIGURE OUT COST SAVINGS FOR OUR TAXPAYERS? WE RECOGNIZE WE SHARE TAXPAYERS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS PART OF THE RELAY RACE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND WE NEED TO PASS THE BATON.

WE GOT TO REST FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T DO IT.

WE CANNOT MAINTAIN IT.

SO WE WOULD LIKE A REPORT ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN INVENTORY, WHAT OUR STATUS IS IN SHARING COSTS ON EACH PARK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AS FAR AS GOING TO THE DISTRICT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO WORK ON THIS TOGETHER AS PARTNERS? ABSOLUTELY.

AND IS THAT CORRECT, HOWARD? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND I UNDERSTAND.

IT WAS OFFERED TO START WHATEVER CHANGE IS MADE IN THE ALLOCATION FOR A YEAR.

AND MAYBE WE NEED TO DO IT NOW.

SO TIMING ON ALL OF THAT, THE PHASING OF THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL AND WITH AISD AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

NOBODY WANTS TO OR CAN GO COLD TURKEY AT ANY POINT.

SO WE WERE WORKING ON A YEAR TO TRY AND PHASE THAT IN.

MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE.

MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE LESS.

SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHAT THE TERM NEEDS TO BE, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY PRESENT THAT PART AS WE UPDATE ON THE SCHOOL PARKS QUESTION.

OK, SO LET ME SUMMARIZE, AND YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW IF WE MISSED ANYTHING.

WE'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING A REVIEW OF WHAT ASSETS ARE NOT COST NEUTRAL.

AND WHAT ASSETS HAVE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE MORE REVENUE IF WE WERE TO MAKE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THEM? WHAT ASSETS COULD BE CLOSED SO THAT WE COULD JUST STOP THE COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THEM? AND SPECIFICALLY KIND OF ON THAT FRONT.

SCHOOL PARKS POSSIBLY OTHER ASSETS.

AND THEN WHAT SERVICES THAT USERS BEAR PART OF THE COST FOR THAT WE COULD ADDRESS WITH CREATING ADDITIONAL REVENUE THROUGH HIGHER USER SERVICES?

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SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE WANT TO HEAR BACK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IDEALLY NEAT AND TIDY IN A FEW PROPOSALS LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AND WORK LIKE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE PUZZLES WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUSH THE NUMBERS AROUND TILL THEY'RE ALL IN ORDER.

SO THERE'S NO ONE ANSWER, BUT THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO SEE FROM YOU GUYS.

DID YOU ALSO ADDRESS THE PART ABOUT, POSSIBLY THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DEAL AT JOHN STIFF? WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT.

YEAH, NO, WE DIDN'T, SO I THINK BRINGING US AN UPDATE ON THAT.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF THAT'S REVENUE GENERATING AND THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE JUST A DISCUSSION, AN UPDATE AND CONCEPT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO JOHN STIFF AS FAR AS THE PARKS THAT MIGHT BE SUITABLE FOR A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD GENERATE SIGNIFICANT REVENUE TO THE CITY TO OFFSET TAX IMPACTS OF PARKS MAINTENANCE.

SO IT'D INCLUDE RICK KLEIN AND A NUMBER OF OTHER LARGE, SIGNIFICANT PARKS.

SO THOMPSON MARTIN ROAD.

WE WILL REVIEW THAT SPECIFIC TO STIFF, BUT ALSO IN GENERAL TO ALL OF OUR NON DEDICATED PARK LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR USE LIKE THAT.

WE WERE NEVER ADVOCATING FOR RELINQUISHING PARKS, BUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT COULD GENERATE RESOURCES TO OFFSET TAX CAUSED PARK MAINTENANCE PARK OPERATIONS WOULD, I THINK, BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO EVALUATE, AT THE VERY LEAST.

ONE MORE IDEA, WHICH I THINK WE'VE EVALUATED IN THE PAST TWO AND NONE OF US LIKED IT.

NONE OF US ARE GOING TO LIKE IT NOW, BUT SINCE WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR INFORMATION.

DEVELOPING ONE OF OUR GOLF COURSES, LIKE IF WE DIDN'T OPERATE IT AS A GOLF COURSE AND WE PLATTED IT AND SOLD IT OFF TO A DEVELOPER.

I MEAN, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD IT SAVE US IN OPERATING THAT EVERY YEAR AND WHAT REVENUE POTENTIAL? OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE ONE TIME REVENUE, NOT ANNUAL REVENUE, BUT COULD WE THEN TAKE THAT AND LEVERAGE THE SALE OF THAT PROPERTY TOWARD FUTURE PARK EXPENSES SO.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.

NOT FUN TOPICS.

OK.

ANYTHING ELSE? JARED ANYTHING ELSE? NO, MA'AM.

OK, MICHAEL, DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US? YES, MA'AM.

OK, GOOD.

THANK YOU.

[1.D. Updates from Councilmembers serving on outside boards and commissions: a. Amarillo Local Government Corporation b. Bicycle and Pedestrian Safety Task Force c. Environmental Task Force]

ITEM 1D IS UPDATES FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVING ON OUTSIDE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THE FIRST ONE IS AMARILLO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION REPORTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER AND SMITH.

WILL YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE, SIR? THANK YOU.

SORRY.

GOOD.[LAUGHTER] I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING, BUT ANDREW FREEMAN SET IT UP SO I COULD BE ON THE TELEPHONE AND LISTEN TO THE WHOLE MEETING.

I DIDN'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND WHO WAS TALKING, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING'S BEEN WORKED ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS SINCE THE EMBASSY SUITES WAS BUILT.

IT WAS IN THE CONTRACT THAT THEY WOULD REACH THE TRIPLE A FOUR DIAMOND STATUS, AND THEY DID THAT HERE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS OR SO.

SO THEY'VE ATTAINED THAT.

I THINK THERE WAS A TIME WHEN DURING COVID THAT TRIPLE-A DIDN'T INSPECT, SO IT WAS PROBABLY DELAYED.

AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT THEY'VE BEEN THE HOTEL HAS BEEN WORKING ON OPENING A STEAK PLACE AND LAS BRISAS OPENED ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.

AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE BEEN VERY BUSY.

MY WIFE AND I WENT THERE ONE TIME, AND SO IT WAS VERY GOOD TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THAT OPENED.

ANOTHER PART OF THE LGC MEETING WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I'M NOT EXECUTIVE TO AT LIBERTY TO TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

OK, SORRY.

HAVE TO TRUST YOU ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF EDDY HAS ANYTHING.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I COULDN'T GET AWAY FROM THE OFFICE THAT DAY.

OK.

GOOD, HOWARD, THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY OR MAYOR PRO TEM NOW ABOUT THAT, OK HOWARD, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY TASK FORCE REPORT WITH YOU TOO.

ACTUALLY, YOU'RE THE WHOLE ITEM.

ALL 1D IS ALL YOU.

I'LL BE DONE BY 5:00.

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I'M PROUD OF THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE SAFETY COMMITTEE.

THEY THE FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THAT COMMITTEE OR SO THEY'VE CHASED A LOT OF RABBITS.

THEY HADN'T CAUGHT ONE, BUT THEY CHASED A LOT.

BUT ONE THING IS DONE, MAYBE I DON'T KNOW TWO YEARS AGO WAS TO ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR STATISTICS ON WHERE ACCIDENTS HAD HAPPENED, NOT VEHICLE, NOT CAR ACCIDENTS, BUT PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCIDENTS, SO WE GOT THAT INFORMATION.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS ON AMARILLO BOULEVARD.

AND THAT'S A TXDOT STREET.

SO STAFF AND THE CITY TALKED TO TXDOT AND THEY SAID, WE'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

IT'S TAKEN A WHILE, BUT THERE'S TWO HAWKS NOW ON AMARILLO BOULEVARD.

THEY'RE UP AND FUNCTIONING.

AND THAT'S WONDERFUL.

YEAH, I THINK WE STARTED IT DIDN'T COST THE CITY A PENNY TXDOT PAID FOR IT.

ANOTHER PLACE WAS WE STARTED A HAWK ON THE GEORGIA AND THE ROCK ISLAND RAIL TRAIL, AND I THINK WE GOT A PRICE BREAK ON THAT.

BUT I'VE USED THAT AND IT WORKS VERY GOOD.

AND THEN ON EAST 34TH CAPROCK HIGH SCHOOL IS ON EAST 34TH, THE NORTH SIDE OF 34TH, BUT THEY'VE EXPANDED THEIR CAMPUS TO THE SOUTH.

ATHLETIC FIELDS AND I UNDERSTAND THEY PUT IN A HAWK THERE.

SPENT $90,000 ON THOSE PUTTING THAT IN.

AISD SPENT THAT OR TXDOT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IS KYLE SCHNEIDERJAN.

AISD.

DO YOU KNOW, DONNY.

AISD.

YEAH, GOOD COOPERATIVE EFFORT.

WE DID THE LABOR.

THEY PAID FOR THE MATERIALS.

THEY PAID FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND CITY OF AMARILLO, INSTALLED EVERYTHING.

SO I THINK THAT IS BENEFIT FROM THIS COMMITTEE.

THEY'LL DO NOTHING BUT SAVE LIVES.

YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.

GOOD WORK.

IT'S ALL I GOT.

THAT'S IT.

OK.

ENVIRONMENTAL TASK FORCE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OH, YES, THE ENVIRONMENTAL TASK FORCE MET, AND THEY DISCUSSED EVERY DROP COUNTS CAMPAIGN.

DIDN'T COME TO ANY RECOMMENDATION NEEDED TO BE MADE, AND THEN THEY GOT A REVIEW ON THE NATIONAL CLEANUP DAY TONS OF TRASH WAS COLLECTED AND THROWN AWAY DUE TO THAT.

AND THEY'VE GOTTEN PLANS TO EVEN MAKE IT BETTER IN THE FUTURE.

DONNY YOU GOT ANYTHING TO ADD.

I'M DONE.

GOOD.

QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO THINGS.

OK, GREAT.

THANK YOU, HOWARD, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

ITEM 1E IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT RENOVATION OR CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR

[1.E. Discuss Renovation/Construction Costs for City Hall; and]

MR. CITY MANAGER.

I'M HERE TO BRING THIS ITEM I'VE GOT JERRY DANFORTH, OUR DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM SIMS ARCHITECTURE, IS THAT.

WANT TO MAKE SURE I SAID THE NAME, RIGHT? SIMS ARCHITECTS.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO TALK ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION RENOVATION COSTS THAT WE CAN EXPECT HERE, COSTS WE CAN EXPECT AT AMARILLO HARDWARE COSTS THAT WE COULD EXPECT DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WHILE THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED BY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY FROM MANY DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE DAIS.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING AS THOROUGH CONVERSATION AS WE COULD WITH REGARD TO THOSE DISCUSSION POINTS, BUT IT'S REALLY FOCUSED ON RENOVATION COSTS, BOTH HERE AND ALSO AT AMARILLO HARDWARE AND ALSO NEW CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO JUST KIND OF STEER US AS WE TRY TO REFINE WHAT THE WAY FORWARD IS ON CITY HALL.

I REALLY THINK IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO SOME CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN AUGUST.

YES, MA'AM, ABSOLUTELY.

AN COUNCIL MEMBER, STANLEY HAD SOME DIRECT QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO THIS WAS WORK Y'ALL BEEN DOING IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

JERRY, TAKE IT AWAY, INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS AND WALK US THROUGH THE CONVERSATION.

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS SHEILA SIMS WITH SIMS ARCHITECTURAL AND JON GAMEL WITH SIMS ARCHITECTURAL.

WE'LL HAVE SOME VIDEO FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.

BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT JARED THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO SOME OF THE

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EXACTLY HOW DID WE GET TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS? AND THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT VIEW, SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHERE WE HAD STARTED ORIGINALLY.

AS FAR AS COST ANALYSIS, WHAT WAS THE BEST OPTIONS? WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND HAVE SOMEBODY BASICALLY DOUBLE CHECK OUR NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE HEADED THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND SOME REALISTIC NUMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THIS MARKET.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DALLAS OR AUSTIN OR SOMEPLACE ELSE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT AMARILLO NUMBERS AND THE IMPACT IN AMARILLO.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SHEILA TO START THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

FEEL FREE TO STOP AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND WE'LL ADDRESS THEM AT THAT TIME.

AND FOR ME AND JERRY, WE'RE BOTH BUTCHERING THE NAME OF THE COMPANY IT'S SIMS ARCHITECTS.

THANK YOU.

[LAUGHTER] OH, OK.

WELL, AS HE SAID, I'M SHEILA SIMS WITH SIMS ARCHITECTS THIS IS JON GAMEL.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

WE KNOW YOU HAVE A LONG MEETING, SO WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BEFORE WE DIVE IN I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE TWO SECOND SNAPSHOT ABOUT US BECAUSE I THINK AT ONE POINT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHERE WE WERE FROM.

I HAD HEARD THAT WE WERE FROM CALIFORNIA.

WE ARE NOT FROM CALIFORNIA.

I ASSURE YOU, WE'RE VERY MUCH AMARILLO NATIVES AND WE HAVE ONE OFFICE HERE.

SO OUR FIRM WAS ACTUALLY FOUNDED IN 1982 BY TOM LAVIN.

AND SO FOR THIRTY EIGHT YEARS, WE WERE LAVIN ARCHITECTS, AND I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT NAME.

ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, TOM DECIDED TO RETIRE, SO HE HAD AN OWNERSHIP TRANSITION, AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PAST YEAR, WE ACTUALLY BECAME SIMS ARCHITECTS.

WE HAVE NINE PROFESSIONALS IN OUR OFFICE WITH FIVE LICENSED ARCHITECTS, A LICENSED INTERIOR DESIGNER, AND I THREW OUT JUST A FEW DOWNTOWN PROJECTS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE DONE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF WORK HERE IN AMARILLO AND ALL IN THE UNITED STATES AS A MATTER OF FACT.

BUT THESE ARE JUST A FEW THAT WE'VE DONE ACTUALLY IN DOWNTOWN.

ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROJECTS WAS THE SANTA FE RENOVATION THAT WE DID WITH POTTER COUNTY SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR THE CITY OF AMARILLO.

WE WORKED ON THE SIMS BUILDING.

WE ALSO DID THE CONVENTION CENTER PARKING GARAGE AND RETAIL CENTER.

AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, WE DID THE WT AMARILLO CENTER, WHICH HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN.

IT'S A GREAT TRANSFORMATION OF A OLD, NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.

SO JUST KIND OF MOVING ON.

I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT AMARILLO IS GROWING.

OUR LAST CENSUS SHOWED US OVER TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND, WHICH IS GREAT.

BUSINESSES KEEP COMING IN WITH THAT COMES PEOPLE AND JOBS AND ALL THAT WHERE THE CITY HAS TO KEEP UP BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW CITIZENS AND YOU HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR SERVICES TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWING POPULATION.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT.

CITY HALL HAS BEEN KIND OF CROWDED FOR A LONG TIME.

BACK IN 2015, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO DO THE SIMS BUILDING, WHICH HELPED A LOT, AND I STILL THINK BACK.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE IN THIS BUILDING, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE AND PEOPLE WERE LITERALLY SITTING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

BUT IN 2015, WE MOVED SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS OUT OF THE CITY TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE.

AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE ALL BEEN IN THE SIMS BUILDING.

IT TURNED OUT VERY BEAUTIFUL.

WITH THAT BRINGS US TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE AT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE MADE THOSE CHANGES, WE STILL CITY HALL IS CROWDED.

AND SO WE'VE COME UP.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THESE ARE KIND OF THE THREE OPTIONS THAT HAVE COME TO THE FOREFRONT RENOVATE EXISTING CITY HALL, RENOVATE THE HISTORIC AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOWN FOR ALL OF THOSE, BUT WE WANT TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH AND HOPEFULLY BRING SOME INFORMATION TO YOU THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY HEARD.

SO BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

THE FIRST BUILDING I WANT TO START WITH IS THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

IT IS A VERY ICONIC BUILDING.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1938, WHEN AMARILLO HARDWARE WAS BOOMING.

IT WAS ADDED ON TO IN THE 50S.

THEY LITERALLY DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF THE ART DECO STYLE.

IT WAS DESIGNED BY A LOCAL ARCHITECT, GUY CARLANDER, WHO ACTUALLY DID A LOT OF BUILDINGS IN AND AROUND AMARILLO.

BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF OUR HISTORY.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND IT NEEDS TO STAY AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

AND YOU ALREADY OWN IT.

BONUS.

IF YOU LOOK AROUND AMARILLO, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT BUILDINGS.

I MEAN, WE REALLY DO THE ARCHITECTURE HERE FOR ARCHITECTURE NERDS LIKE ME

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WE LOVE, WE LOVE THESE OLD BUILDINGS, AND IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING TO SEE THEM LIVE BEYOND THEIR YEARS.

I MENTIONED THE SANTA FE BUILDING EARLIER.

THAT IS A VERY NOTICEABLE PIECE OF THE AMARILLO SKYLINE.

PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FROM AMARILLO, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT SANTA FE BUILDING THE BARFIELD BUILDING SAT FOR YEARS AT SIXTH AND POLK AND WE ALL JUST HOPED THAT SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN AND IT FINALLY DID.

AND IT'S BEEN RECENTLY OPENED AS A BEAUTIFUL SIGNATURE HOTEL.

SAME THING WITH THE FISK BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL BUILDING THERE'S LOTS OF BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN THAT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE THEY WERE BUILT FOR.

PEOPLE HAVE GONE IN, REPURPOSE THEM, SOMETIMES FOR THE SAME PURPOSE, SOMETIMES NOT TO KEEP USING THOSE BUILDINGS.

AND WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE.

JUST LOOKING AT THE LOCATION OF THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

IT'S JUST EAST OF YOUR EXISTING CITY HALL THERE AT THE CORNER OF 6TH AND GRANT.

AND SO IT'S STILL ADJACENT TO ALL THE OTHER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, WHICH MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ALL OF THE PROPERTIES.

IT'S RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.

THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING.

SOME OF THOSE WAREHOUSES HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPURPOSED INTO OFFICES.

SOME OF THEM ARE STILL BEING USED AS WAREHOUSES.

BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT AREA THAT I HOPE IN THIS WAVE OF RESTORATION THAT WE'VE SEEN IN DOWNTOWN CONTINUES TO MOVE THAT DIRECTION.

ONE THING THAT CAME UP DURING COVID THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE APPRECIATED IS DRIVE UP FACILITIES.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT.

WHERE WOULD WE GET OUR FOOD? YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE UP TO A [INAUDIBLE] GET A GALLON OF MILK.

DRIVE UP FACILITIES BECAME A PIECE OF OUR EVERYDAY LIFE THAT WE REALLY CAME TO DEPEND ON.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS REALLY EXPRESSED A DESIRE FOR, ESPECIALLY IN THEIR UTILITY BILLING DEPARTMENT IS BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT VISIT THE BUILDING JUST TO COME PAY UTILITIES AND INTERACT WITH THE STAFF THAT WAY.

A DRIVE UP FACILITY WOULD KEEP PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO ENTER THE BUILDING, BUT STILL ALLOW THEM THAT CONTACT.

SIZE THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING, AS I MENTIONED, WAS ADDED ON TO IN THE 50S.

IT IS ABOUT 150000 SQUARE FEET.

IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE EXISTING CITY THAT WE'RE IN NOW, THAT'S ABOUT 80000 FEET.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S ROOM NOT ONLY FOR US TO MOVE INTO THAT SPACE, BUT ALSO GIVES US A LOT OF ROOM TO GROW.

ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS WITH LAURA'S HELP AND JERRY'S HELP IS PROGRAMING ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN CITY HALL AND WE HAVE WALKED THROUGH THE BUILDING, TOURED, INTERVIEWED AND ONE THING THAT WE ASKED EVERY DEPARTMENT TO DO WAS TO GIVE US NOT ONLY WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT NEEDS, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THREE TO 10 YOUR NEEDS? OK, SO WHERE DO YOU SEE YOUR STAFF GROWING? WHAT KIND OF NEW PROGRAMS ARE COMING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE THE NEW CALL CENTER THAT'S COMING ONLINE, THAT'S GOING TO NEED SPACE.

AND SO WE'VE KIND OF WRAPPED UP THAT PROGRAMING LAST WEEK, AND WE'RE TRENDING AROUND CLOSE TO 100000 SQUARE FEET IN ASKS FOR THE THREE YEAR MARK, OK? AND SO ALREADY WE'RE NEEDING MORE THAN THE 80000 FEET THAT IS HERE.

SO 150000 GIVES US ROOM TO GROW.

OK, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THIS BUILDING.

THIS BUILDING AGAIN WAS BUILT IN 38, GOOD QUALITY CONSTRUCTION.

WE HIRED AN INDEPENDENT LICENSED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO GO IN AND EVALUATE THE BUILDING, AND HE HAS REVIEWED IT AND HE HASN'T DRILLED HOLES IN IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT VISUAL INSPECTION AND LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, HE HAS FOUND IT TO BE IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, ESPECIALLY THE ORIGINAL PART BUILT IN 38.

THE ADDITION IN 51, THERE WERE A FEW LIKE COSMETIC ISSUES, LIKE JUST A FEW CRACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT NOTHING AT ALL THAT IN ANY WAY SACRIFICES THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, AND A LOT OF THOSE THINGS IN A RENOVATION WOULD BE EASILY TAKEN CARE OF.

IT'S AN ALL CONCRETE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, BEING DESIGNED TO BE THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAD VERY HEAVY LOADS, SO IT IS A VERY SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING.

ONE THING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHILE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, WE WENT TO TWO DIFFERENT GENERAL CONTRACTORS HERE IN TOWN THAT HAVE DONE LOTS OF WORK

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AND MY QUESTION TO THEM WAS WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS STRUCTURE? LIKE IF WE WERE TO REBUILD THIS START FROM SCRATCH? YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS STRUCTURE AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE US IF WE STARTED FROM SCRATCH TO BUILD AND GET TO THIS POINT? AND THEIR QUESTION TO ME WAS THEIR ANSWER TO ME.

SORRY, I ASKED THE QUESTION.

THEIR ANSWER TO ME WAS BASICALLY THEY VALUE THE STRUCTURE, THEY SAID, AND AGAIN, NOT GOING BACK WITH BEAMS, BUT GOING BACK WITH CONCRETE AND REPLICATING WHAT IS HERE.

THEY VALUE IT BETWEEN 10 AND $12 MILLION, OK? AND FROM A TIME STANDPOINT, THEY THINK IT WOULD TAKE US BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT MONTHS TO GET TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE NOW.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU PAID LESS THAN $5 MILLION FOR THE BUILDING ORIGINALLY YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS ALREADY HUGE, AS YOU CAN SEE IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE THIS BUILDING.

OK.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION TYPES, AND WE DO ALL OF THEM AS ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH A VARIETY OF CLIENTS.

THERE'S TWO THAT I KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.

REAL QUICKLY, PUBLICLY FUNDED PROJECTS.

OK, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CITY HALL, THAT SCHOOLS, MUNICIPALITIES, UNIVERSITIES, THESE ENTITIES.

THEY THEY ONLY GET MONEY EVERY SO OFTEN, AND WHEN THEY DO A PROJECT, THEIR EXPECTATION IS FOR THIS PROJECT, TO THIS BUILDING, TO LAST FOR 50 YEARS.

I MEAN, THAT'S ANYTIME WE DO A SCHOOL AGAIN.

WHETHER IT'S WORKING FOR AISD, TEXAS TECH WT, WE WANT THE BUILDING TO LAST.

OK.

SO WITH THAT, WE USE VERY DURABLE MATERIALS.

WE CHOOSE VERY ENERGY EFFICIENT MEP SYSTEMS BECAUSE ONE THING ABOUT THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS WE WANT WE WANT TO LOWER OUR OPERATING COSTS.

OK.

KEEP THOSE DOWN.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING IS VERY LOW MAINTENANCE.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE A LOT.

WHAT THIS TRANSLATES INTO, THOUGH, SOMETIMES IS A HIGHER UPFRONT COST.

BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR THESE MATERIALS, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THIS MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT SYSTEMS. BUT IT'S GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS TO YOU IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE YOUR BUILDING'S GOING TO LAST AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOWER OPERATING COSTS.

ANOTHER TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.

AND AGAIN, WE DO THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT IS USUALLY MORE WITH PRIVATE OWNERS, MORE LIKE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.

THESE ARE LIKE RETAIL, HOSPITALITY, RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT DOESN'T JUST MEAN HOUSES.

IT MEANS TOWNHOMES, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

WITH THESE PROJECTS, WE TYPICALLY THEY'RE WANTING TO REDUCE THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THE BUILDING BUILT, GET MOVED IN AND THEN START MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT.

SO THESE BUILDINGS TYPICALLY HAVE A SHORTER LIFESPAN.

A LOT OF TIMES THEY REBUILD.

YOU'VE SEEN THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, MCDONALD'S, FOR INSTANCE, THEY WILL REBUILD THEIR STORES EVERY 10 TO 15 YEARS, BUT THAT'S PART OF THEIR MODEL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO REFRESH THEIR IMAGE.

OK, SO THEY'RE BUILDING THESE LESS EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS.

THEY TYPICALLY USE MORE PACKAGE MEP SYSTEMS, OK, LESS EXPENSIVE, HIGHER ENERGY COSTS.

THEY'LL USE PREFABRICATED STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, WHETHER THAT'S METAL OR WOOD.

BUT BASICALLY, THEY HAVE LOWER UPFRONT COSTS.

SO THESE BUILDINGS ARE LESS EXPENSIVE.

AND THERE'S A PLACE FOR BOTH OF THESE AND THERE'S A PLACE FOR LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

BUT A CITY HALL IS NOT ONE OF THOSE PLACES.

THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO GET THE BUILDING RIGHT AND HAVE IT LAST FOR 50 YEARS BEYOND US.

LET OUR CHILDREN ENJOY IT AND AGAIN, BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY BY LOWERING OUR OPERATING COSTS.

OK.

CURRENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THIS IS LIKE A CRAZY TOPIC THESE DAYS BECAUSE WITH COVID COSTS HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT BECAUSE REALLY SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T EVEN COME DOWN JUST TO COST IT COMES DOWN TO AVAILABILITY OF MATERIALS.

WE'VE HAD ISSUES ON A LOT OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS BEING ABLE TO JUST GET MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN.

SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, WE SAT DOWN WITH TWO VERY WELL RESPECTED, WELL QUALIFIED LOCAL CONTRACTORS.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE, THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CLIMATE HERE.

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THE TEXAS TECH VET SCHOOL PROJECTS FOR AISD AND CISD.

THERE'S SEVERAL PROJECTS GOING ON AT AMARILLO COLLEGE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, SO WE'VE TAKEN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THEM TO BASICALLY TRY TO COME UP WITH THESE COSTS.

AND SO FROM THEM, WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US FOR THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, RENOVATION COSTS FOR HEAVY RENOVATION, LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS GOING TO RUN IN THE 240 TO TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY DOLLAR A SQUARE FOOT RANGE.

NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE TOPICS, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT IS REALLY MORE IN THE THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE TO FOUR HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RANGE.

SO YOU CAN TELL THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE.

BUT AGAIN, PART OF THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE REUSING, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE STRUCTURE.

OK.

ANOTHER OPTION IS TO BUILD NEW.

OK.

AS I JUST SAID, YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS, IF YOU DO THAT THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE TO FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT.

LONGER CONSTRUCTION TIME BECAUSE AGAIN YOU'RE NOT STARTING WITH A STRUCTURE, YOU'RE STARTING WITH DIRT.

OK.

AND IF ANY OF YOU EVER WATCHED A BUILDING PROJECT TO GO, THEY WORK ON THE THE GROUND AND THE DIRT FOR MONTHS BEFORE YOU EVER SEE ANYTHING COME OUT OF THE GROUND.

I KNOW PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED WITH THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT GOES INTO PREPARING A FOUNDATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LASTS.

THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT WE SEE WITH BUILDING NEW IS A SITE.

OK, SO A CITY HALL BELONGS DOWNTOWN AND IT NEEDS TO BE DOWNTOWN.

AND SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AROUND DOWNTOWN FOR A SITE TO BUILD A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW FOR THIS SIZE OF A BUILDING.

AND FOR SOME PARKING AND THINGS TO GO WITH IT, YOU REALLY NEED A FULL CITY BLOCK.

SO THAT'S THE HURDLES THAT WE SEE THERE.

OK.

THE OTHER OPTION THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS RENOVATING THIS BUILDING.

THE ISSUES IN THIS BUILDING ARE NOT SIMPLY COSMETIC.

JERRY HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FAILINGS OF THE MEP SYSTEMS AND THE THINGS THAT NEED.

IT NEEDS A COMPLETE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING REPLACEMENT.

THERE ARE CODES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, SUCH AS ADA COMPLIANCE AND LIFE SAFETY AND ENERGY CODE.

AND WHEN WE START LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A GUT AND REDO OF THE BUILDING.

AND SO.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO JUST START OVER.

ONE THING THIS BUILDING HAS TO THAT'S KIND OF TOUGH THESE SKINNY WINDOWS, YOU HAVE VERY LIMITED NATURAL LIGHTING, WHICH AGAIN, OVER THE YEARS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DONE STUDIES ABOUT THE VALUE OF NATURAL LIGHT TO PEOPLE IN WORKSPACES.

AND JUST IT MAKES THEM MORE PRODUCTIVE, MAKES THEM HEALTHIER.

SO THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING.

BIG HURDLES FOR THIS DEAL.

TEMPORARY RELOCATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO GUT AND REDO THIS BUILDING, WHERE DO ALL THESE PEOPLE GO? OK, SO YOU HAVE TO FIND A PLACE SOMEWHERE AGAIN DOWNTOWN TO HOUSE YOUR ENTIRE CITY OFFICES.

AND SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO FIND A PLACE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

THEN YOU'VE GOT TO SPEND SOME MONEY RENOVATING THAT SPACE, GETTING THAT, GETTING IT READY FOR THESE PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE PROBABLY 18 TO 24 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE RENOVATION AND LEASE COSTS THAT YOU'LL NEVER GET BACK.

OK? AND AGAIN, AVAILABILITY FINDING, FINDING THAT SPACE TO MOVE INTO.

AND THEN EVEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU STILL HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DEFICIT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

THIS IS AN EIGHTY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING VERSUS WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

THAT NEEDS TO BE PROGRAMED FOR THE BUILDING.

THE BUILDING DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO AN ADDITION, NOT TO SAY THAT AN ADDITION CAN BE MADE ON IT, BUT JUST WITH THE STYLE AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF IT.

IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.

SO THIS IS THE FUN PART.

BACK IN MAY, WE HAD TO SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO BE HIRED AS THE ARCHITECT.

AND DURING THAT TIME, WE KIND OF TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO DO A 3D MODEL

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AND SO JOHN GAMEL IS GOING TO COME OVER HERE AND DRIVE US THROUGH THAT.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET SWITCHED OVER.

TO THE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

LET'S PULL UP THE 3D RENDERING HERE.

JOHN WILL YOU PULL THAT MIC UP.

YES.

JUST A LITTLE BIT.

WE WANT TO.

I'M TALL SO YOU'LL.

EVERYBODY AT HOME WANTS TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

FOR SURE.

WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN.

WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING, IT'S ACTUALLY A HIDDEN JEWEL, SO WE GOT PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I'M ACTUALLY STARTING BACK AT 7TH AND GRANT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR OF THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

AND WHEN YOU GET UP CLOSE, SHEILA MENTIONED GUY [INAUDIBLE], WHO IS AN ARCHITECT BACK IN THE 20S, 30S AND 40S IN AMARILLO.

HE DID A LOT OF VERY, VERY NICE BUILDINGS, AND SO EVEN IN THIS WAREHOUSE BUILDING, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL.

SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU HADN'T NOTICED IT TO GO DRIVE BY THERE SOMETIME AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE ART DECO STYLE THAT IS ON THE BUILDING.

SO WE WANTED TO START THERE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT THROUGH IF THIS BUILDING IS SELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY HALL.

ZOOMING UP HERE AS WE KNOW IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM HODGETOWN.

AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE CAN SEE HODGETOWN AND YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING FROM HODGETOWN ARE TWO NICE THINGS EVERY TIME WE GO TO A GAME, WE LOOK OVER THERE AND NOTICE AMARILLO HARDWARE COMPANY.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING WE IT IS A NICE LOCATION, AS SHEILA SAID.

WE'LL ZOOM AROUND TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT WAS HAVING A PLACE ADEQUATE IN THIS BUILDING FOR SIZE FOR COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

SO WE LOOKED AT AN IDEA.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS WE'RE THROWING OUT HERE RIGHT NOW IS TO GO UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR AND ACTUALLY RAISE THE ROOF AREA IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING AND GET A LITTLE BIT LARGER COLUMNS FACING UP THERE SO THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR A SPACE LARGER THAN THIS.

BECAUSE AS WE WE'VE SEEN NOW, PEOPLE ARE IN OVERFLOW MANY TIMES IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT LARGER SPACE FOR SEATING IN THAT COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

WE'LL ZOOM BACK AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING FROM ABOVE AND THEN DOWN TO GROUND LEVEL AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE IDEA OF THE ART DECO STYLE.

WE WANTED TO BRING AN ENTRY BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WERE THE OLD RAILROAD SPUR CAME THROUGH WOULD BECOME THE FRONT DOOR TO THE NEW CITY HALL IF THIS WERE SELECTED.

AND SO WE WANTED TO PICK UP ON SOME OF THAT ART DECO STYLE.

AS YOU'LL NOTICE, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS COULD SIT UP HERE AND HAVE SOME NICE VIEWS OUT OVER THE CITY, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NICE.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE A NICE VIEW FROM HODGETOWN SEEING CITY HALL.

THE IDEA OF REUSING THE AMARILLO FROM THE AMARILLO HARDWARE COMPANY AND RELIGHTING THOSE WITH LEDS, LED LIGHTING IS A THOUGHT THAT WE'VE BROUGHT UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH AN ICONIC THING ON THE AMARILLO SKYLINE.

WE'LL KIND OF ZOOM AROUND THE BUILDING.

ONE OF THE BIG DEALS IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THE WINDOWS IN THE BUILDING ARE 1938 AND 1951, SO WE'D WANT TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS WITH MUCH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS.

BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE SOMETHING THAT HAD THAT SAME NICE WAREHOUSE LOOKS THAT IT WOULD LOOK VINTAGE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NEW INSULATED GLASS THAT'S MUCH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.

WE LOOKED AT SOME IDEAS OF SOME AWNINGS OVER WINDOWS UP HIGH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD STUDY EVEN MORE, PROVIDING A COVERED ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS UP ABOVE GRADE BY APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR FEET, RAMPS SO THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.

AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE ENTRANCES GET INTO THE BUILDING, FOR EXITING AND FOR SAFETY IN THE BUILDING.

JUST A FEW MORE VIEWS AS WE WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING AND OVER HERE ON THE NORTH END, WHERE THE OLD LOADING DOCK WAS SOMETHING WE FOUND WAS VERY INTERESTING AS WE DIDN'T FIND ANY LEAKS OR DAMAGES THAT WERE THAT IT HAPPENED FROM THAT IT WAS VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED IN THAT AREA, EVEN DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.

WE LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF COULD WE DO THAT DRIVE UP? NOW THIS IS JUST ONE IDEA, BUT THAT SO PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP HERE AND COULD INTERACT DIRECTLY, INTERACT WITH SOMEONE OVER A CAMERA, OR THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD EVEN BE DONE IN THE EVENINGS WHERE THERE COULD BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONSOLES THAT COULD BE USED THERE SO THAT THEY COULD BE USED TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, THAT PEOPLE COULD COME AND DROP OFF PAYMENT OR MAKE PAYMENT FOR THEIR UTILITY BILLS AND SUCH.

WRAPPING BACK AROUND THE BUILDING, JUST LOOKING KIND OF AT THE SKYLINE OF AMARILLO BEHIND THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING, AND THEN WE WANT TO GO DOWN AND WE WANT TO TAKE JUST A SMALL TOUR OF WHAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE INSIDE THE BUILDING.

AS WE COME UP TO THE FRONT STEPS, THE IDEA OF BRINGING THE RICK HUSBAND STATUE TO THAT PLACE, IT WOULD BE UNDER A COVERED SORRY.

IT GOES A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN I TALK.

TRYING TO KEEP THINGS GOING.

BRINGING THAT INTO THE COVERING THERE.

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TRYING TO HAVE SOME NICE COVERING THERE AT THE ENTRY OF THE BUILDING, PICKING UP ON THAT ART DECO STYLE, EVEN THE FRONT DOORS.

AND THEN AS WE ENTER THE BUILDING, THE IDEA OF A MODERN INDUSTRIAL LOOK IS SOME IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT THERE.

SAFETY IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG ISSUE.

WE WANT THE CITY HALL TO BE VERY WELCOMING, BUT WE ALSO THINK ABOUT IF WE EVER HAVE ISSUES WITH COVID AGAIN AND AND OTHER SAFETY SAFETY ISSUES.

HAVING A RECEPTIONIST, A PERSON AT THE FRONT THAT COULD DIRECT PEOPLE TO WHERE TO GO IN THE BUILDING OR CALL FROM DIFFERENT FLOOR AND HAVE SOMEONE FROM A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT COME DOWN AND ESCORT SOMEONE UP TO THAT DEPARTMENT OR TO THAT DEPARTMENT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT UTILITY BILLING AND VITAL STATISTICS BEING LIKE THEY ARE NOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SO IT'S VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT PEOPLE INTERACT WITH ALL THE TIME, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE IDEA OF THERE WOULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT USES FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE SOME OF THE OLD KIND OF BARN DOOR LOOKING GARAGE DOORS THAT THEY HAD ON THE BUILDING AND REUSING THEM THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

NOT MOVABLE, BUT PICKING UP AND USING ALL THE NICE DETAILS IN IN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

LOOKING AT THE IDEA, LIKE WE SAID OF SECURITY, THAT MAYBE THESE ARE OFFICES OVER HERE.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT ONE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT WE WOULD HAVE OFFICES THAT WOULD BE GLASS.

SO WE COULD SEE, BUT THERE WOULD BE SECURITY THERE SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE APPROPRIATE PLACE IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE COMING TO VISIT HR, SOMEONE FROM HR.

AND AS A NEW CITY EMPLOYEE COULD COME AND VISIT WITH THEM AND TAKE THEM TO AN OFFICE OR TAKE THEM TO A CONFERENCE ROOM WHERE THEY WOULD BE HAVING SOME TYPE OF SEMINAR.

WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS LOTS OF COLUMNS IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE, AS SHEILA MENTIONED, THERE'S A HEAVY STRUCTURE THERE.

BUT WHAT'S REALLY NICE IS IT WORKS GREAT FOR OFFICES AND OPEN OFFICE TYPE USE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SIMILAR TO SOME THINGS THAT YOU SEE HERE IN IN THIS BUILDING.

WE'LL CUT AWAY TO A FLOOR PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS JUST JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT WE'VE PUT OUT THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE STUDYING DEEPER INTO THIS, BUT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR OFFICES AROUND THE EDGES WITH SOME LARGE OPEN OFFICES IN THE CENTER AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

WANT TO ZOOM BACK OUT ON THE BUILDING TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO JUST GIVE YOU ANOTHER VIEW AGAIN, TRYING TO PICK UP ON THAT ART DECO ARCHITECTURE STYLE SOLID MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE BE AROUND FOR, AS SHEILA SAID, BEFORE FIFTY YEARS OR MORE SO.

THAT'S ALL OF THE PRETTY PICTURES WE HAVE SO FAR.

ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL READY FOR OUR QUESTIONS? OK, COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE ABOUT THE INFORMATION OR ABOUT OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK WE NEED? JUST A CURIOUS QUESTION.

YOU CALL THIS A BASEMENT, IS THAT HALF BASEMENT OR WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? YEAH, THE BASEMENT IS IT IS.

THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME WINDOWS DOWN AT THE LOWER LEVEL THERE.

LET ME GO TO ONE OF THESE VIEWS.

THAT'S DOWN LOWER.

OK.

YEAH, IT'S LIKE A THREE QUARTER BASEMENT DOES HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF THE BASEMENT, BUT THEY'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GROUND WHEN YOU'RE STANDING OUTSIDE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE EXPLORED THAT WE COULD USE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T JUST BE TYPICAL GLASS WOULD BE EASILY BROKEN.

THERE'S SOME OTHER MATERIALS THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT NATURAL LIGHT TO COME IN AND LIGHT THAT BASEMENT TO BE VERY DURABLE DOWN AT THAT GROUND LEVEL BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS ARE ABOUT THIS HEIGHT WHEN YOU WALK IN DOWN THAT BASEMENT.

RIGHT.

ABOVE YOUR HEAD.

SO.

MORE QUESTIONS, HOWARD? NO.

NO.

YES.

SO.

I GUESS FROM GOING BACK FROM WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING THESE PROJECTS AND YOU TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC FUNDED PROJECT WAS BETWEEN 240 AND 270 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT.

SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE ON THIS BUILDING? YES.

OK.

SO THEN YOU THEN CAME UP WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A CITY HALL QUALITY BUILDING AT BEING BETWEEN THREE SEVENTY FIVE AND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT.

CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND IN THAT'S BASED ON BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE THE NEW POTTER COUNTY COURTHOUSE IS RUNNING AT ABOUT THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS A FOOT, AND IT'S A VERY SIMILAR SIZE.

IT'S ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT THOUSAND FEET, I BELIEVE.

AND IT'S COVERING THE FULL CITY BLOCK.

YES.

OK.

THE ONE THING THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY IS WHAT WOULD YOUR ESTIMATE BE PER SQUARE FOOT ON GUTTING THIS BUILDING? THIS THIS BUILDING, I WOULDN'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE.

THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU MEAN DEMOLISHING IT OR? NO, BUT THE WORDS THAT YOU USED WERE.

IT WOULD REQUIRE A GUT AND REDO.

YES.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE WOULD WOULD GO DOWN LITERALLY TO THE STUDS OF THE WALLS AND WE WOULD START SO DO YOU HAVE A PRICE ON WHAT YOU THINK IT WOULD COST TO GUT THIS BUILDING? YES, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT COUNCILMAN.

IT ACTUALLY REQUIRES REMOVING OF ALL OF THE WALLS, SOME ASBESTOS ABATEMENT.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN 100 AND 120 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT ON AVERAGE TO

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AND THEN THAT INCLUDES BRINGING IT BACK UP TO CODE, DOING EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO BETWEEN 100 AND 120 A FOOT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN WE'RE STILL 20000 SQUARE FOOT SHORT FOR WHAT IS BEING PROGRAMED IS GOING TO BE NEEDED BY THE CITY.

CORRECT.

AND THAT THAT WAS A RATHER INTENSIVE SURVEY WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT, WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.

SHEILA MENTIONED THREE TO THREE TO 10, BUT WE ASK THEM TO EVEN GO AS FAR OUT AS 20 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50 YEAR OLD BUILDING.

WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS BEING? AND JUST IS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON IT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ELECTRONIC METERING THAT WE'RE FIXING TO GO INTO, THAT CHANGES THE DYNAMICS OF UTILITY BILLING.

SO EVEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD.

HOW DOES THAT CHANGE? BECAUSE WE'RE NOW DOING A LARGER CALL CENTER TO ADDRESS WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS ARE.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN THAT THAT HAD HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT A CALL CENTER IS MORE NEEDED THAN COUNTER SPACE IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS.

SO A LOT OF THAT CAME INTO THIS.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AND OF COURSE, SIMS IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH THIS, WHATEVER VERSION YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO GO TO THEY'RE READY TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO REALLY, IT'S A IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION THAT YOU, AS COUNCIL HAVE TO MAKE TO SAY, WHERE IS THE BEST VALUE FOR US? THE KNOWN COSTS ARE THERE, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT.

THE REMODEL COST OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE OTHER NUMBER THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THAT IS ALSO THE COST OF RELOCATION AND LEASING THAT SPACE WHILE YOU'RE REMODELING.

THE DIFFICULTY OF REMODELING A SPACE LIKE THIS.

A GOOD EXAMPLE ON THE MUP.

WE HAVE ONE HEAT SYSTEM AND ONE COOLING SYSTEM.

SO WHEN I GO TO REMODELING A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS, BASICALLY I TAKE OUT ALL OF THE HEAT AND ALL OF THE COOLING AT THE SAME TIME.

SO I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST DO A FLORIDA TIME.

I CAN'T DO A FLORIDA TIME.

THE PROBLEM IS AS I TAKE OUT THAT ONE UNIT THAT CONTROLS THE WHOLE BUILDING.

RIGHT? OK, AND SO ALSO NOT INCLUDED ON THIS, THAT WOULD BE IN THE OTHER TWO PLANS.

THERE'S NO DRIVE UP CAPABILITY EVEN POSSIBLE WITH THIS CORRECT? IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

AS SHEILA MENTIONED, THE ONLY EXPANSION LOCATION THAT WE TRULY HAVE ON THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE WOULD BE TO GO TO THE EAST, WHICH TAKES OUT THE APPROACH.

WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME ROUGH NUMBERS ON THAT YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS RIGHT AROUND 20 MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THAT.

AND THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO.

WE LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE COULD DO A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT IT TAKES OUT ALMOST ALMOST 22 PERCENT OF THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS NOW, WHICH REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR CITY HALL STAFF.

OK.

SO COULD YOU POSSIBLY DO AN ADDITION? TO CREATE THE 20000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOT GO AND MAYBE USE ONE OF THESE OTHER BUILDING SITES THAT WE MAY OR THE PARKING LOT.

BACK TO THE NORTHEAST.

THERE'S ALWAYS A POTENTIAL.

IT'S WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT POTENTIAL.

AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS AN ASSET, THE ASSET SHOWING TO BE CHEAPER BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF REAL ESTATE WE HAVE AVAILABLE AROUND THAT ASSET.

WELL, I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER A 20000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION.

PLUS YOU'VE GOT TO ALSO CONSIDER DRIVE UP CAPABILITIES.

SO WHAT IN ADDITION, WOULD THAT REQUIRE? WELL, AS I SAID FOUR YEARS AGO, THAT WAS TWENTY TWO MILLION TO DO THAT ADDITIONAL PIECE.

TO DO THE ADDITION, NOT NOT NECESSARILY THE RENOVATION OF THE JUST THE ADDITION.

SO AN ADDITIONAL 20000 SQUARE FEET PLUS DRIVE UP WOULD BE ABOUT ANOTHER 20 MILLION FOUR YEARS AGO, RIGHT ONTO THE $120 SQUARE FOOT HUNDRED TO ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT TO GUT THIS BUILDING AND.

CORRECT.

WHEN WHILE WE PUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK INTO EVALUATING COSTS FOR THIS BUILDING A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T OTHER THAN RENEWING THOSE PRICES OR BRINGING CURRENT THOSE PRICES, WE HAVEN'T REALLY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO VISIONING FORWARD.

WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW? LIKE LOOKING AT THOSE ADDITIONS BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED A LOT OF GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL.

DO WE EVER ANTICIPATE DOING AN ARENA? YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IF WE DID, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT IT?

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SO THEN WE WOULD NEED TO THINK, ARE WE PUTTING IT ON THE NORTH LOT ACROSS THIRD STREET? THAT HAD ITS OWN CHALLENGES.

ARE WE PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? SO OR ARE WE NOT DOING IT AT ALL? WE JUST AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT LIKE THE BAD THING.

I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT AT ALL.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY COST TO INVESTING A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS SITE, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO PRESENT YOU UPDATED COSTS FOR WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO AND THIS SITE AND THEN ALSO UTILIZING SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE NOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THEN WITH REGARD TO KEY SYSTEMS. IN THIS BUILDING.

THAT TAPERED OFF WITHOUT REALLY PUTTING A DEFINITIVE PERIOD ON IT.

OK.

MORE QUESTIONS.

YES, MAYOR, SO REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

SO GOOD TO SEE THAT.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE NEEDED IN A CITY BLOCK OF LAND? NINETY THOUSAND [INAUDIBLE]? THREE HUNDRED BY THREE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

OK, SAY THAT AGAIN A CITY BLOCK IS 300 BY 300 FEET.

OK, SO.

SO 90000 SQUARE FEET, IF YOU WERE LOOKING NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD WOULD COVER PARKING AS WELL AS THE THE BUILDING OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE PARKING INCLUDED IN THAT? WE WOULD I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK YOU WOULD BUILD A MULTISTORY BUILDING TO TO FACILITATE A NEW BUILD.

SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR FOOTPRINT WAS, YOU COULD HAVE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.

A VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION IS TO HAVE PARKING A PARKING GARAGE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE BUILDING.

SO, OK.

AND SO YOU'D HAVE TO LOCATE THE LAND, PURCHASE THE LAND DEMO THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT'S ON IT AND THEN BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING AT $400 A SQUARE FOOT.

CORRECT.

OK, SO YOU'RE 400 A FOOT DOESN'T INCLUDE LAND OR DEMOLITION ANYTHING IN YOUR GUESTIMATE? I DON'T THINK SO.

NO.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT POTTER COUNTY.

I WAS FACING SOME OF THAT ON THEIR 380 FOOT.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S COMING FROM THE TWO GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT I TALKED TO.

JOHN AND I ARE ALWAYS LOW BIDDER, SO WE CHOOSE NOT TO GIVE MONEY.

NEVER, NEVER GOOD TO BE THE LOW BID.

NO.

AS A AS A VERY WELL RESPECTED ARCHITECT AND FIRM.

IF YOU WERE TO FORECAST THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ESTIMATE AND COST INCREASE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN ON AN AVERAGE PER SQUARE FOOT? I THINK THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO ONE OF THE THE CONTRACTORS TODAY AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN THINGS IN THE LAST EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

AND SO IT'S BEEN LIKE, LIKE I ALLUDED TO BEFORE, A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN DRIVEN BY SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES LIKE WE REDESIGNED A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS THAT THAT WE LITERALLY WERE FINISHED WITH TO GO BACK AND USE STRUCTURAL STEEL INSTEAD OF [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET [INAUDIBLE].

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD CALL THE PLACE THAT YOU GOT THOSE FROM.

THEY WOULDN'T EVEN GIVE YOU A DELIVERY DATE.

SO IT'S LIKE, OK, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO WE HAVE DONE THINGS OVER THE LAST YEAR TO MAKE CHANGES EVEN IN OUR DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND SO THAT'S AFFECTED PRICE.

YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE SAW WOOD JUST SHOOT THROUGH THE ROOF AND, YOU KNOW, A PIECE OF PLYWOOD WAS $75.

AND SO IT WAS JUST CRAZY HOW EXPENSIVE THINGS GOT AND THEN WOOD CAME BACK DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S COME BACK DOWN TO WHERE IT WAS AND AGAIN, ANY TIME IN CONSTRUCTION THAT THINGS GO CRAZY HIGH, THEY WILL LEVEL OFF, AS YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY NEVER GO BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY IF IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP OR IF IT'S GOING TO LEVEL OFF, OR IF IT COULD EVEN GO DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

BECAUSE IF I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL, I WOULD TELL ALL OF MY CLIENTS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT LAST YEAR BEFORE THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE SAVED SO MUCH MONEY.

BUT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO REALLY SAY, CAN YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? MR. STANLEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME MARKET, YOU LOOK AT IT ON CONSTRUCTION AND IN OUR CURRENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR CITY CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACTORS, TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET A JOB AS A CITY

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WE INSTRUCT OUR CONTRACTORS TO GET ALL OF THE RAW MATERIALS, WE'LL WAREHOUSE IT JUST SO WE CAN GET THE MATERIALS ON SITE SO THAT WE CAN EVEN MEET OUR TIMELINES.

AND IT ALLOWS US TO CONTROL THE PRICING.

WE DID THE SAME THING WHEN WE DID THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE [INAUDIBLE].

HAD WE NOT BOUGHT THAT STEEL UP FRONT.

WE WOULD HAVE TOOK AN ADDITIONAL ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS IN COST, JUST ON STRUCTURAL STEEL.

SO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WHEN WE CAN, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY DO.

JUST LIKE PRIVATE BUSINESSES, DO WE WATCH THAT COMMODITIES MARKET TO SEE WHAT IT'S DOING IF WE SEE THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL COMING DOWN.

WOOD PRODUCTS, WE DID THE SAME THING.

WE HELD OFF ON WOOD PRODUCTS KNOWING THAT THAT SUPPLY CHAIN WAS GOING TO COME DOWN ONCE IT CAME DOWN.

THEN WE BOUGHT A BUNCH OF WOOD.

SO WE WATCH IT WHEN WE OVERSEE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT LIKE THAT.

BUT TO SAY THAT ANYBODY'S GOT A CRYSTAL BALL RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH THE TALK OF, YOU KNOW, SHUTTING DOWN AN ADDITIONAL PIPELINE, WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO OUR FUEL COSTS.

AND SO FUEL COSTS ARE A BIG PART OF CONSTRUCTION.

WHAT ARE YOU TO SWITCH GEARS? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET HERE IN THIS BUILDING ARE UNUSED OR UNDERUSED? CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE GET RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL AREAS THAT WE CAN DEVELOP, BUT WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THOSE.

SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, HONESTLY, I WOULD SAY ZERO IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN THIS BUILDING, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAY IN THIS BUILDING, THEN I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SAY AROUND 10000 SQUARE FEET.

AND A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH LIKE ARENA AND OTHER THINGS.

WE MOVED PARKS ADMIN, WHICH USED MOST OF THE SECOND FLOOR.

WE MOVED THEM ACROSS THE STREET TO THE GDS BUILDING.

CORRECT.

AND IF WE DO AN ARENA PROJECT AND IF WE DON'T DO AN ARENA PROJECT AND WE DO THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING, WE'RE GOING TO PULL THEM OVER INTO AMARILLO HARDWARE AND THAT WOULD FREE UP THIS AREA FOR FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT.

IF WE DO A FUTURE ARENA PROJECT, NOT KNOWING THAT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO SAY WHAT'S VACANT AND WHAT'S NOT.

IF WE STAY HERE LONG TERM AND IF WE DON'T DO AN ARENA AND IF GDS IS STILL AVAILABLE TO US IN THE LONG TERM, AND YES, WE DO HAVE SOME SPACE ABOUT TEN OR FIFTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET THAT WE CAN USE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT INSIDE THIS BUILDING.

NOW THAT ASSUMES THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ARENA OR AT LEAST NOT DOING ARENA IN THE AREA WHERE WE'VE PURCHASED ALL THE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY TO DO THE ARENA.

BUT THAT WOULD ALSO VERY QUICKLY BE UTILIZED BY SOME OF THE OVERFLOW FROM SIMS BUILDING.

BECAUSE NOW WHERE WE PUSHED A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER TO SIMS, NOW WE'RE REALLY IN A POSITION TO HAVE TO START ABSORBING SOME OF THE CAPACITY FROM SIMS BECAUSE OF THE CROWDING THAT BUILDING HAS.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH, PULL AND JERRY'S, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, TEN THOUSAND IS A GOOD NUMBER RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT MAKES A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD AN ARENA, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO USE GDS IN THE LONG TERM AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS BUILDING AS AN OVERFLOW FOR SIMS TO BRING SOME OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS BACK.

WELL, WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THREE ONE ONE CALL CENTER.

THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A LOCATION.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHANGING UP THE WAY THAT UTILITY BILLINGS, DOING THEIR FUNCTION WITH THE NEW SYSTEM AS IT COMES ON BOARD, THAT CHANGES THE FUNCTION.

SO A LOT OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BASICALLY WE'RE HOLDING IT.

IT'S IT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO STAY IN FRONT OF THE NEEDS AS WE GO FORWARD? SO IT'S.

IT'S LIKE YOUR LAST DOLLAR, YOU HANG ON TO IT TILL YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO SPEND IT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE HERE.

WE'RE HANGING ON TO IT BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK RIGHT NOW, BUT MAKING IT WORK IS NOT PRODUCTIVE AS IT SHOULD BE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE HUNDRED A SQUARE FOOT ON AVERAGE REMODELING THIS BUILDING, THAT'S AN $8 MILLION PRICE TAG.

EIGHTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

ONE HUNDRED AND A QUARTER WE'D BE 10 MILLION OR SO.

NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

YOU'RE LOOKING.

WHAT IS THE NUMBER? WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DEMOLITION AND ABATEMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND $100 A SQUARE FOOT.

AND THEN WHEN YOU REMODEL AND YOU BUILD BACK IN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FF&E CHANGING OF AND TO BRING US UP TO CURRENT ENERGY CODES, CURRENT FIRE CODES.

CURRENTLY, THIS BUILDING ONLY HAS A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THAT SERVICES THE BASEMENT.

ONCE WE HIT THAT, THOSE CODES KICK INTO PLACE AND WE HAVE TO BECOME.

WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE ENERGY CODES THAT WE MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE MEET.

WE'VE GOT TO MEET THEM.

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD BE $200 A SQUARE FOOT ON AVERAGE TURNKEY TO BRING THIS BUILDING UP? RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET IS AROUND TWO AND A QUARTER TO 250.

YEAH.

SAND A QUARTER, THREE HUNDRED SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT NUMBER.

OK.

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NO, I WAS PRETTY FAR SOUTH OF THAT, I THINK IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF I WAS SEEING COSTS AROUND.

I MEAN, I WOULDN'T GUESS IT THE ABATEMENT OR THE MEP.

BUT, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR FINISH OUT WITHOUT THE SHOW, YOU KNOW, 60, 70 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SPACE AND THEN LOOKING 30 40 FOR SOME OF YOUR HIGHER END FINISHES AND MAYBE LIKE YOUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO NOT FEASIBLE OR FEASIBLE TO SAY YOU COULD SPEND 15, 16 MILLION DOLLARS HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I'M JUST ASKING, IS THAT ON THE TABLE? CAN YOU SPEND $15 MILLION HERE AND HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED? NOT NOT.

AND BRING THE CURRENT ENERGY CODES BACK INTO COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THE MEP DOES HAVE TO BE CHANGED.

I'LL GIVE I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK EXAMPLE OF JUST WHAT HAPPENED THIS LAST WEEK.

I'VE GOT THREE PUMPS THAT SIT DOWN THERE THAT HEAT THIS BUILDING.

ONE OF THE PUMPS FAILED.

IT'S A $10000 REPAIR COST JUST TO REPAIR THAT PUMP.

CITY MANAGER ASKED ME GOES, OK, SO I GET ANOTHER TWENTY FIVE YEARS OUT OF THAT PUMP.

I SAID, NO, NO, NO, YOU DON'T.

THAT'S A TWENTY FIVE YEAR OLD PUMP THAT I MADE WORK FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

I CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO RUN ANOTHER TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

I CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO RUN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.

EVEN EVEN WHEN WE'VE GOT A MACHINE SHOP DOING THE REBUILD, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU 90 DAYS ON THIS PUMP.

AND SO TO REPLACE THAT PUMP, PUT A NEW PUMP IN.

I'M LOOKING AT THAT PUMPS RUNNING RIGHT AROUND $20000.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THREE PUMPS.

IF I'M LOOKING AT THREE PUMPS, I'M ALREADY SITTING THERE AT $60000 TO UPGRADE JUST THE PUMPS ALONE.

THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PIPING OR ANY OF THE FAN COOLS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

SO WE HAVE RESOLUTION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS BUILDING OR WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ANY OTHER BUILDING.

WE'RE REALLY DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, AND I KNOW IT'S PUTTING A HARDSHIP ON A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS, BUT MOST PROBABLY PARTICULARLY ON JERRY TO MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE ANY COSTS POSSIBLE THAT TOUCHES LONG TERM PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THAT TOUCHES, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OFF PROJECTS LIKE THE PUMPS UNTIL THE VERY LAST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY.

BUT ALSO IT HAS JERRY LOOKING AROUND CORNERS AND YOU KNOW, HE DID A GOOD JOB LAST YEAR OF.

I THINK WE JUST GOT LUCKY, REALLY.

ON THE ON THE BOILERS, ON BRINGING ONE IN FROM THE CIVIC CENTER JUST BECAUSE HE KNEW WE ONLY HAD ONE, THEN WE HAVE THAT FREEZE AND THAT ONE WOULDN'T HAVE KEPT UP WITH THE FREEZE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN AND WE'RE LOOKING AROUND CORNERS EVERY CHANCE WE GET.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE DOING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT UNTIL WE KNOW THAT IT'S.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR US TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON LARGE.

LONG TERM INVESTMENTS IN THIS BUILDING UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THAT'S.

SHEILA, WHAT WERE THOSE BOTTOM? WHAT WERE THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN ON REDO? THE RANGE? [INAUDIBLE] TO MY POWERPOINT.

JUST WANTED TO WORK THE MATH PROBLEM THAT I THINK COLE WAS TEEING UP FOR.

YEAH, SO THE RENOVATION COST.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS HEAVY RENOVATION AND TO ABOUT 240 TO 270 A SQUARE FOOT.

AND WE'RE SEEING THAT COST RIGHT NOW IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS GOING ON AT AMARILLO COLLEGE.

AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE NO SITE.

SO IT'S BASICALLY RENOVATING THE BUILDING.

BUT THERE IS A THERE IS SOME DEMOLITION AND EVERYTHING IN THAT IN THAT COST.

SO IF IT WAS $100 A SQUARE FOOT TO DEMO AND ABATE.

THEN AN ADDITIONAL 240, LET'S JUST PICK THE LOW END OF BOTH THOSE NUMBERS.

THAT GIVES YOU A TOTAL SQUARE FOOT COST OF 340 TIMES THE 80 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, WHICH EQUATES TO TWENTY SEVEN MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, YEAH, IT'S ESTIMATES AND BUT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE CERTAINTY BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T EXIST A CRYSTAL BALL.

SO I JUST I APPRECIATE WHERE COUNCILMAN COLE STANLEY WAS GOING WITH WORKING A NUMBER TO FIND OUT WHAT STAYING HERE COSTS, AND WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE DISCUSSION YET OF, WELL, DOES ALL THAT NEED TO BE DONE? AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT BRINGS THAT.

TWENTY SEVEN MILLION IS USING THE LOW ENDS COULD BE MORE BECAUSE THOSE RANGES.

HAVE A YOU KNOW, YOU ESTIMATED EVEN POSSIBLY MORE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

IF YOU'VE WALKED AROUND IT, IT IS.

IT'S WIDE OPEN.

I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEMOLITION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OVER THERE.

SO THAT'S A POSITIVE.

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THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

COLE DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD WITH REGARD TO NEW CONSTRUCTION COSTS, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF OUR THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD AT THE AUGUST MEETING? AND JUST.

I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS JUST THERE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE OPTION THAT NONE OF US ARE LOOKING AT IS ANY EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WE MIGHT TRY TO PURCHASE AND MOVE INTO.

SO IF WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WHAT DO WE WANT, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT DISCUSSION.

I THINK IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, ECONOMICAL SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET THAT YOU COULD BUY AND MOVE INTO THAT HAS WHAT YOU NEED IF IT WAS FOR SALE.

I THINK THAT WE COULD RUN THESE NUMBERS ON RENOVATION HERE, NEW CONSTRUCTION SOMEWHERE ELSE OR AMARILLO HARDWARE AND ALL END UP IN THE 30 TO $40 MILLION RANGE.

WHEN YOU REALLY GET THERE.

THAT'S FAIR.

THE BENEFIT OF STAYING HERE IS YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO A $30 MILLION BUY IN.

YOU BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION OR YOU TAKE ON THE AMARILLO HARDWARE PROJECT.

YOU BETTER MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE COUNTED YOUR COST AND YOU'RE READY TO TAKE ON THE FULL LOAD.

HERE YOU COULD SCALE BACK AND BE MORE ECONOMICAL AND FIX THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE NOT DO AS MUCH RENOVATION.

YOU KNOW, TAKE IT NOT FLOOR BY FLOOR, BUT BUT SOMEWHAT IN A SCOPE OF WORK THAT WOULD BE MORE MINIMAL.

AND SO YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WORK WITH.

BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE COULD BUY AND RELOCATE TO FOR HALF THE PRICE OF 40 MILLION.

AND SO LIKE WITHOUT THAT, AS PART OF THE EQUATION, THEN I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING IS A REALLY GOOD ONE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAN WE AFFORD, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT? OK, LET'S TALK FOR A MINUTE ABOUT EXISTING BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE DID DO A PRESENTATION ON THAT IN SEPTEMBER AND AND NOT TO MENTION THAT WE'VE SPENT SEVERAL YEARS LOOKING AT THAT AND WE WENT ALL THROUGH THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

SO DO YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING THAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE OR WAS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT PRESENTATION THAT YOU WANT TO BRING INTO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND GO BACK TO CONSIDERING THOSE BUILDINGS THAT WE LEFT BEHIND? I THINK THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WAS FOR SALE AT A TIME AND, YOU KNOW, MAY BE FOR SALE AGAIN.

LIKE, I OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T PURSUED THAT.

I KNOW NONE OF US HAVE PURSUED THAT.

BUT IN THE WAY OF.

WE HAVE PURSUED THAT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS AND AND SO THAT I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ACCURATELY STATED.

SO TO CLARIFY THE STATEMENT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO BE ACCURATE.

I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THERE'S NOT A BUILDING FOR SALE THAT HAS EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED.

AND IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED AND, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A VALID OPTION IF WE WERE TO PURSUE THAT.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GIVE YOU THAT CERTAINTY? BECAUSE WE HAD A REAL ESTATE AGENT WHO DID A FULL MARKET ANALYSIS AND HE WAS HERE JUST IN SEPTEMBER, AND HE SAID, THIS IS IT.

THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT'S HERE.

YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IT AS A COUNCIL AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU, AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT I KNOW OF THAT WOULD WORK.

SO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW TO CHECK THAT BOX? I THINK WHERE I'M SITTING IS I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WORTH PURSUING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WHAT WE WANT.

SO LIKE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IN THE WAY OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO? AND SO THE BENEFIT OF AMARILLO HARDWARE IS WE ALREADY OWN THE BUILDING.

IT'S A REALLY COOL LOOKING BUILDING.

IT'D BE PHENOMENAL WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE WAY OF LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AND GOING BACK TO THE REALTOR AND LOOKING AT THAT.

I MEAN, I GUESS I'M NOT SATISFIED THAT.

THE BUILDING WAS LOOKED AT IN THE WAY OF LIKE, HEY, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE WANT TO GO THAT HAD IT HAD PROBLEMS WITH LOGISTICS AND.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WE HAVE, IT'S NOT.

WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT PUBLICLY.

SO EXISTING TENANTS AND LOGISTICAL ISSUES.

BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING ITSELF, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE THE REALTOR SAID HE DIDN'T LIKE THE BUILDING.

SURVEYS ON ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, WE HAD VERY DETAILED UNDERSTANDINGS OF ACQUISITION COST, WHETHER WE CALL IT TENANT IMPROVEMENTS OR OR RENOVATION COSTS IN EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

WE HAD SOME PRETTY DETAILED UNDERSTANDINGS OF SYSTEMS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED OR MODIFIED.

BOTH ON THE SPECIFIC BUILDING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IN ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT WE LOOKED AT TOO, THERE'S PROBABLY A TOTAL OF ABOUT FIVE OR SIX, DEPENDING ON

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SO WE CAN TALK, YOU KNOW, GENERICALLY AS TO SOME OF THOSE COSTS, TOTAL PROJECT COST, CAN WE LEASE BACK SOME OF THE SPACE AND THOSE ARE SOME REVENUE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED WITH AMARILLO HARDWARE AS WELL.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES EXIST.

BUT TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE DID HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I GUESS AND I'M JUST THINKING THAT WAS A PRIME TIME FOR YOU TO SAY THAT WHEN HE WAS HERE AT THE PODIUM AND THAT CONVERSATION WAS TEED UP.

AND SO I.

I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, WE WANT TO HEAR THEM, BUT I'M NOT HEARING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT STAFF CAN TAKE ACTION ON.

I'M JUST HEARING, WELL, THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY AND I'M THINKING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY FOR LOTS OF THINGS.

THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY A TORNADO HITS THIS BUILDING TONIGHT, AND WE'RE ON A WHOLE NEW TRACK TOMORROW MORNING, BUT THAT'S JUST A POSSIBILITY, AND IT'S NOT ONE WE CAN REALLY ACT ON.

SO WHAT I THINK, WHAT I NEED AS FAR AS DIRECTION IS SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC ACTION LIKE YOU CAME IN AUGUST AND YOU SAID, I'VE RUN SOME NUMBERS AND I THINK NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE CHEAPER.

AND SO WE WE WENT AND WE'VE GOTTEN THAT DATA IN AND WE FOLLOWED THAT.

TRAIL TO BRING THAT IN FRONT OF US WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY THAT WAS SPECIFIC AND WE COULD ACT ON IT.

I'M NOT HEARING SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT WE CAN ACT ON.

MAYOR, I DON'T MEAN TO BE FRUSTRATING IN THE WAY OF LIKE WE'VE TEED THIS UP FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THE OPTIONS OF THIS AND I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.

WE'VE GONE AROUND THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH YOU AND ON COUNCIL, AND WE ARE STILL SAYING WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF IF THAT ONE PARTICULAR BUILDING THAT I'M REFERRING TO OR THINKING ABOUT IS IS NOT FOR SALE, THEN LIKE THAT CHECKS THAT BOX FOR ME.

IF THAT ONE PARTICULAR BUILDING IS STILL FOR SALE, THEN LIKE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE CURRENT DATA ON HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST AND THE LOGISTICAL ISSUES OTHER THAN THE REALTOR WHO DID A GREAT JOB OF STANDING UP AND SAYING, LOOK, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS THING IN, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS, AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU THIS IS WHERE I WAS BACK THEN.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAD.

BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR CONVERSATION, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM SAY, HEY, I REACHED BACK OUT TO THE OWNER, I'VE RESEARCHED THIS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO YOU ASKED, LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE? AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE ANY REGRETS.

SO LIKE, I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO FRUSTRATE YOU IN THE IN THE WAY OF LIKE, WELL, I SHOULD HAVE SAID MORE BACK THEN.

I MEAN, I'M SAYING IT NOW.

AND IF WE WANT TO CHECK THAT BOX, I MEAN, IS IT FOR SALE OR IS IT NOT FOR SALE? WELL, JUST TO CORRECT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCURATE.

WHAT THE BROKER SAID WAS HE HASN'T SPOKEN TO THAT PERSON SINCE WE STOPPED NEGOTIATING WITH THEM, WHICH WAS ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.

SO IT WASN'T YEARS AGO, IT WAS MAYBE 14 MONTHS, 12 TO 14 MONTHS AGO.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING ACCURATE ON THAT PART.

AND IT'S NOT ABOUT FRUSTRATION, SO I'M NOT FRUSTRATED.

I JUST AM SAYING WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD ON POSSIBILITIES UNLESS THEY'RE MORE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT MY FRUSTRATION, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

IT'S ABOUT GETTING FROM YOU WHAT YOU NEED IN ORDER FOR US AS A BODY TO MOVE FORWARD.

WELL, TO TO SUMMARIZE IT, THEN LIKE, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN SEEING WHAT AMARILLO HARDWARE CAN BECOME.

I THINK THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE RISK AND COST AND UNKNOWNS IN THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS THIS RENOVATION.

AND IF I WERE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT ONE PARTICULAR BUILDING THAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE FOR SALE, I THINK THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO CHECK THAT BOX, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO IT AND SAY, HEY, REACH BACK OUT, NOT FOR SALE, NOT AN OPTION.

AND THEN NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, RENOVATION OF EXISTING OR RENOVATION OF AMARILLO HARDWARE.

AND I THINK THAT'S STILL WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

YOU KNOW, SO I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

PERHAPS I'M FRUSTRATED IN THE ISSUE OF LIKE IT'S THE SAME SAME PRESENTATION.

IT'S IT'S MUCH BETTER IN THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS.

AND I LOVE THE ARCHITECT, SO.

I'M CONFUSED.

BUT IT'S THE IT'S THE SAME SET OF NUMBERS AND IT'S THE SAME MATH PROBLEM.

THAT'S THE SAME OUTLOOK OF WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

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YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND GOING BACK THROUGH IT AGAIN, I DEFINITELY DON'T MIND LOOKING AT ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT MAY BE ON THE TABLE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION SO THAT WE REALLY DON'T LOOK, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW BACKWARDS AND SAY, MAN, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER EVEN CALLED THAT GUY TO SEE IF HE WANTED TO SELL THAT OR, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T THIS.

WE DIDN'T THAT.

AND WE DID, THOUGH WE DID THIS TIME LAST YEAR.

AND SO THAT'S I THINK MAYBE WHERE THERE'S YOU WEREN'T HERE, YOU WEREN'T ON THE COUNCIL.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU WERE PART OF THAT ANALYSIS AND JOURNEY.

MM HMM.

I JUST I WANT TO ACCURATELY STATE THAT WE DID ACTUALLY DO THAT AND AND WE HAVE, I THINK, PRESENTED THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

I'M I'M SAD WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT OUT HERE BECAUSE THEN THAT LEAVES PEOPLE GOING WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I WISH I HAD MORE INFORMATION, BUT IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH YOU.

I KNOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THAT PERSON LAST WEEK, WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN DEPTH HOW HOW WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT NEGOTIATION AND SOME OF THE UNIQUE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT NEGOTIATION THAT MADE THE REST OF US FEEL LIKE THAT DOOR WAS CLOSED.

AND THERE WERE UNIQUE FACTS THERE ABOUT THAT.

SO MAYOR, I DEFINITELY WILL WILL ACCEPT YOUR.

YOUR LEAD ON THE DEAL IF LIKE, IF YOU'VE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND IT'S NOT GOING TO OPEN, THEN THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHERE I WAS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IN MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO IF THAT'S WHERE IT IS, THEN LET'S CHECK THE BOX AND MOVE ON.

IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT SOMEBODY'S HOME, LET'S KNOCK ON THE DOOR AGAIN.

BUT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

OK, GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR WORKING THAT DIALOG WITH US.

OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHEILA OR.

ABOUT.

NO, MA'AM.

I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.

OK.

DIFFERENT TOPIC IF WE GO THE DIRECTION OF THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING, WHAT WILL IT COST? I GUESS YOU GOT TO CLEAR THE ASBESTOS FROM THIS BUILDING.

BEFORE IT CAN BE TORN DOWN.

IS THAT RIGHT? APPROXIMATELY? THIS BUILDING HERE.

THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES THAT WE RECEIVED WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT IT WAS ANYWHERE BETWEEN A MILLION TO A MILLION TWO.

OK.

THANKS.

GOOD QUESTION.

ALL I GOT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCRETE FAILURE IN THIS BUILDING, I MEAN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT DEMO AND ABATEMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT REBUILDING THINGS BACK, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS WE TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL CONCRETE ISSUES WE HAVE IN THIS BUILDING.

WE HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME OTHER THAN WHAT VISUAL CHECKS.

TO DO A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS REPORT.

WE'D HAVE TO GET THEM IN HERE.

EXCUSE ME, JERRY, COULD YOU STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE? THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

WE HAVEN'T STEPPED OUT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE ENGAGED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO COME IN AND DO A COMPLETE EVALUATION AND REPORT THE INFORMATION YOU'VE RECEIVED IS VISUAL, WHERE WE HAVE WATER COMING INTO THE BASEMENT, WHERE WE'VE SEEN CRACKS IN WALLS, WHERE WE SEE THE FAILURE OF THE BRIDGE OVER THE ENTRANCE ON THE EAST SIDE, THE FRONT APPROACH.

ACTUALLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE THAT AS COSMETIC, BUT IT'S NOT STRICTLY COSMETIC.

THERE'S SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES UNDERNEATH.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THERE USED TO BE A FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF CITY HALL.

YOUNGER PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT.

INSTEAD OF REMOVING THAT FOUNTAIN, THEY JUST BUILT OVER IT.

AND SO SOME OF THAT IS FAILING, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE FRONT STEPS AND PROBLEMS ARE THERE.

WE DO SEE WHERE WE'RE GETTING WATER INFILTRATION ON THE BUILDING, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ON THE EAST SIDE.

I NOTICE THAT Y'ALL USED SOME WOOD REINFORCEMENT OVER THAT BRIDGE, THAT CONCRETE BRIDGE.

SO JUST TRYING TO REMEDIATE PIECES FALLING.

AND THAT WAS MORE FOR SAFETY THAN IT WAS THAT WOOD DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT CONCRETE BRIDGE.

BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD CHUNKS OF CONCRETE FALL AND ALMOST A COUPLE OF NEAR MISSES.

AND SO THAT WAS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING HURT USING THAT AS AN ENTRANCE.

SO THERE'S A PICTURE THAT HANGS ON THE WALL IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE, BUT IT HAS A IT'S THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING OF CITY HALL.

AND SO I ASSUME IT'S OLD AND IT HAS A FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF IT.

BUT THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD OF THERE BEING A FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF CITY HALL, SO THAT ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING IS ACCURATE AS TO HOW IT WAS BUILT.

I JUST DIDN'T EVER KNOW THAT.

YEAH, IT WAS THERE WHEN WE TRIED TO PUT THE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING THAT WE DID IN FRONT OF

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WE WERE TRYING TO ACTUALLY BORE.

SO WE DIDN'T DISTURB CONCRETE.

AND EVERY TIME THE BORING MACHINE WAS HITTING SOMETHING AND WE WENT BACK TO THE PLANS AND I WASN'T AWARE IT WAS THERE EITHER.

BUT WITH MULTIPLE PROBES WITH A BORING MACHINE, WE CONFIRMED IT'S STILL THERE.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.

HOW OLD IS EXISTING CITY HALL? IF MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS OR PUBLIC USE BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY BUILT ON A 50 YEAR LIFESPAN, HOW OLD IS EXISTING CITY HALL? CITY HALL WAS BUILT IN 66.

SO FIFTY FIVE YEARS OLD? YES, MA'AM.

OK.

AND THEN I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY GUT THIS BUILDING? LIKE, IS THERE A LOWER COST OPTION THAT YOU KNOW, OK, WE DON'T HAVE TO GUT THIS BUILDING.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS REPAIR THE ELEVATORS OR WE DON'T HAVE TO GUT.

I KNOW PLUMBING IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS HERE.

SO IS THAT WHAT'S DRIVING GUTTING THE BUILDING IS THAT WE'VE GOT PLUMBING IN ALL THE WALLS? AND SO TO GET TO IT AND REPLACE IT, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST THE BEST WAY TO GO IS TO GUT THE BUILDING.

WELL, THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.

YES, WHEN WE STARTED ON PLUMBING, OF COURSE, NONE OF THE RESTROOMS WORK FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

PLUMBING IS INSIDE THE WALLS IN THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT TO BREAK THE WALLS OUT OF THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT PLUMBING.

WE ALSO HAVE PLUMBING ISSUES UNDERNEATH THE SLAB, THE VIDEO THAT YOU SAW ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO WHERE YOU SAW RAW SEWAGE BUBBLING UP UNDERNEATH YOUR BIG COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THAT'S FAILURE IN THAT CAST IRON SYSTEM DOWN THERE IN THOSE, THOSE PUMPS FAILED.

SO YES, THE PLUMBING IS A BIG ISSUE, BUT IN ORDER TO WORK ON IT, I END UP SHUTTING YOU DOWN.

WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IS THAT, WELL, THERE'S A MIDDLE OPTION.

THERE'S A WAY TO PHASE THIS.

WE COULD GET ANOTHER 20 YEARS OUT OF THIS BUILDING IF WE SPEND $15 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT.

OK, WELL, THAT FEELS VERY PALATABLE TO US, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M HEARING THAT OPTION JUST BECAUSE HOW DO WE OPERATE IN THIS BUILDING WITH NO BATHROOMS? OR HOW DO WE OPERATE IN THIS BUILDING WITH NO ELEVATORS OR.

OR HEATING OR AIR.

OR HEATING AND AIR? YEAH, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING.

AND YOU'VE STILL GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IN SHORT ORDER, THIS BUILDING IS NOT BIG ENOUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE FOR WHAT YOU NEED.

WE CAN SINK A LOT OF DOLLARS INTO THIS BUILDING TO GET THIS BUILDING BACK UP AND RUNNING.

AND I CAN ASSURE YOU WE'LL USE DIFFERENT MEANS AND METHODS IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU TELL US TO GO.

WE WILL DO THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY WE CAN DO IT.

BUT UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE POINTS IN TIME TO WHERE THIS BUILDING WILL BE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE FOR EMPLOYEES TO WORK IN THAT SCENARIO.

WHEN WE DO AN ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, FOR INSTANCE, THEY'RE IN THE BASEMENT.

WE KNOW FOR A FACT WE'VE GOT SOME ASBESTOS TO DEAL WITH.

WE HAVE TO ISOLATE THAT AREA TENT IT OFF IN ORDER TO DO THE ABATEMENT.

SO THAT MEANS THAT IT STAFF THAT'S CURRENTLY WORKING DOWN THERE.

THEY'VE GOT TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO IT SHUTS THAT DOWN.

I CAN'T SHUT DOWN IT, THAT THAT SHUTS DOWN OUR CITY.

IT'S A BIG PROBLEM.

SO WE WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, I NEED TO MAKE BE ABLE TO MAKE YOU AWARE AND I DON'T WANT TO BE THE LITTLE LITTLE BOY THAT CRIED WOLF.

BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS WHEN WE GET TO CERTAIN SITUATIONS, IT IS TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO IT AND STILL KEEP YOU OPERATIONAL.

AND THAT'S THE PART THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND.

WHEN WE GET INTO THE PLUMBING, THERE WILL BE A PERIOD OF TIME.

IF WE STAY IN THIS BUILDING, I CAN REMODEL FROM THE TOP DOWN.

AND THEN WHEN I GET TO THE BASEMENT, THEN I SHUT YOU DOWN.

SO THE IMPACT, INSTEAD OF IT BEING MONTHS WOULD BE A MONTH BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A SAW CUT CONCRETE OUT JACKHAMMER IT ALL THAT STUFF UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE, THEN PUT IT ALL BACK.

SO TO DO THAT, DEMOLITION AND REINSTALLATION, THAT'S ABOUT A MONTH'S WORTH OF WORK.

WE GET TO THE STUFF THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO AS FAR AS THE SWITCHGEAR AND STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN IT.

THAT'S FROM BACK IN THE 60S.

WHEN THAT THING GOES DOWN, WE'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM, SO THERE'S THERE'S COMPONENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ALL OF THE LIFE OUT OF IT.

WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I REFERENCED THAT THAT PUMP IS TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD, THAT THING RUNS TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

I THINK THERE'S CERTAIN SUPERFICIAL THINGS THAT WE CAN RENOVATE A FLOOR AT A TIME.

RIGHT.

BUT.

IF WE START TOUCHING ANY OF THE KEY SYSTEMS, WHETHER IT'S WATER, WASTEWATER OR HVAC.

CORRECT.

FIRE SUPPRESSION FOR SURE, THEN WE HAVE TO HIT THE BASEMENT AT THE SAME TIME.

AND I DON'T I MEAN, JERRY SAID, WE CAN RENOVATE A FLOOR AT TIME.

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REALISTIC AND DON'T WANT TO BE THROWING JERRY UNDER THE BUS, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY AN OPTION.

I'M SURE WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY IF WE JUST REPLACE PIPES AND GO WITH THE SAME OLD TYPE SYSTEMS. MAYBE WE COULD DO IT A FLOOR AT A TIME.

YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PLACE TO BE THINKING SO.

I MEAN, IT DOES PRESENT SOME LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES, MAJOR LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES.

NOT LEAST OF WHICH IS FINDING A PLACE TO GO FOR AN UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF TIME.

CORRECT.

WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK BEFORE WE.

I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THIS PRESENTATION WITH REGARD TO HOW WOULD WE BEGIN TO PAY FOR ANYTHING WE DECIDE TO DO, WHETHER THAT'S STAY HERE, BUILD NEW OR DO AMARILLO HARDWARE.

BUT ARE YOU ALL GOOD TO TAKE A BREAK? YES.

YES, YES.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S DO THAT AND THANK YOU ALL.

I'M SORRY YOU'VE HAD TO STAND UP THAT LONG, BUT.

ITEM AND JUST LISTENING WHAT THE THREE OPTIONS WHERE NOW, I THINK WE NEED SOME INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS FOR FUNDING SOURCES TO COVER ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS.

JARED.

WE'VE GOT LAURA STORRS, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, TO JUST KIND OF DUMP OUT THE BAG OF ALL THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO FUND ANY, ANY TYPE OF PROJECT LIKE THIS NOW.

THERE'S NONE OF THIS SAYS ANY ONE OR ANY SPECIFIC COMBINATION IS IS WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO ABSENT A LOT OF INPUT FROM CITY COUNCIL.

BUT BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AND CAN ASK QUESTIONS FOR HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPLY THOSE.

SO, LAURA, TAKE IT AWAY.

HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO JUST KIND OF TALKING THROUGH FUNDING SOURCES FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE.

THERE'S MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.

FIRST, YOU'VE GOT THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE GOING TO A VOTE OF THE CITIZENS AND IT PASSING TO THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH ISSUING THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS.

YOU HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND THOSE DO NOT REQUIRE A VOTE, BUT THERE IS AN ADVERTISING PERIOD OF TIME.

SO IT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT ALMOST TWO MONTHS IN TOTAL FROM START TO FINISH BEFORE YOU CAN ISSUE DEBT FOR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

YOU ALSO HAVE TAX NOTES, WHICH ARE ANOTHER FINANCING DEBT ISSUANCE.

THEY HAVE A SHORTER TIME FRAME ON THEM.

THERE'S ALSO OBVIOUSLY CASH FUNDING.

IF SOME WAS AVAILABLE, THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR A PORTION OF OR ALL OF THE PROJECT.

THERE'S ALSO REVENUE BONDS AND REVENUE BONDS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BACKED BY PROPERTY TAXES OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT.

BUT IF A PORTION OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS WAS GOING TO BENEFIT SOME OF OUR UTILITIES AND SO POTENTIALLY WATER AND SEWER OR DRAINAGE, THEY HAVE SEPARATE CREDIT RATINGS AND THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF ISSUING REVENUE BONDS THAT ARE BACKED BY THE RATEPAYERS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A FINAL OPTION ON THAT COULD ALWAYS BE A MODIFICATION OF THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT, SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MODIFY IT AND THEN UTILIZE ONE OR MULTIPLE SOURCES THAT WE JUST WENT OVER AS FAR AS A FINANCING OPTION.

QUESTIONS FOR LAURA ABOUT ANY OF THAT? EXPLAIN THE REVENUE BONDS TO ME MORE.

OKAY.

SO REVENUE BONDS ARE NORMALLY WHAT WE ISSUE WHEN WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING A WATER AND SEWER PROJECT OR POTENTIALLY A DRAINAGE PROJECT.

AND SO THOSE THOSE BONDS ARE BACKED BY A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE THAT WOULD COME FROM THE ACTUAL UTILITY.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WERE ISSUING WATER AND SEWER REVENUE BONDS, AND AS YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE TALKED WHEN THE ARCHITECTS WERE UP EXPLAINING A GOOD PORTION OF AT LEAST THAT FIRST FLOOR POTENTIALLY COULD BE UTILIZED BY UTILITY BILLING.

AND THAT'S THE GROUP THAT IS COLLECTING THE REVENUE FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES AND OUR DRAINAGE SERVICES.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY IF IF WE SO CHOSE TO ISSUE REVENUE BONDS THAT ARE BACKED BY THE WATER AND SEWER RATE THAT OUR WATER AND SEWER PAYERS ARE PAYING ON A

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AND THE WAY THOSE WORK IS, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF THE REVENUE BOND DEBT ISSUANCE, THERE POTENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO EITHER BE A CHANGE IN THE RATE IN THOSE AREAS OR THOSE TWO DIFFERENT ENTERPRISE FUNDS DO HAVE SOME POTENTIAL CASH FUNDING, WHICH IS ANOTHER PORTION OF THIS, AND THEY DO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO FUND SMALL AMOUNTS OF DEBT WITHOUT MUCH OR ANY IMPACT ON THEIR RATES.

THOSE TWO ARE ARE REALLY OUR OPTIONS AS FAR AS A REVENUE BOND WOULD BE THE PROPERTY TAX.

IF THE PROPERTY TAX WAS BACKING ANY OR A PORTION OF THIS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES, EITHER A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION OR POTENTIALLY A TAX NOTE.

THANK YOU.

WELCOME.

OTHER QUESTIONS.

TALK TO US ABOUT CASH.

DO WE HAVE CASH ON HAND? SO THERE ARE THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOME CASH, SOME EXCESS CASH RESERVES THAT COULD COME POSSIBLY FROM THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR AS WE FINISH CLOSING OUT OUR YEAR END AND WE GO THROUGH OUR FULL AUDIT PROCESS AGAIN.

WE WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND UTILIZING OUR CASH RESERVES, ESPECIALLY FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

THOSE CASH RESERVES ARE SET FORTH IN OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL, AND THEY REQUIRE A 90 DAY OPERATING RESERVE.

AND THAT IS FOR TIME PERIODS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

I DON'T WELL IF IF THERE WERE SOME EMERGENCY REPAIRS RELATED TO A CITY HALL, THAT MIGHT BE AN ELIGIBLE SITUATION TO DIP INTO RESERVES.

I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT IF YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE BECAUSE ANY TIME THOSE RESERVES START GOING BELOW THE MINIMUM AMOUNT SET IN OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES, IT STARTS AFFECTING OUR CREDIT RATING, WHICH AFFECTS HOW MUCH INTEREST WE'RE PAYING ANY TIME WE ISSUE DEBT.

AS FAR AS OTHER CASH FUNDING.

YOU KNOW, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOME CASH FUNDING THAT COULD BE FREED UP FROM SOME OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN REVENUE RECOVERY THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE FIRST INSTALLMENT BY CITY COUNCIL A FEW WEEKS AGO.

AND SO AS WE WERE TRYING TO REPLENISH SOME OF THOSE LOSSES IN THE GENERAL FUND AREA, POTENTIALLY SOME OF THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SURE.

MAYOR, THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE LEARNING TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT AND SO REVENUE BONDS.

DID YOU FIND OUT THE PERCENTAGE TIMES BORROWING POWER FOR REVENUE, EITHER BASED ON GROSS OR EXCESS, SO AS AN EXAMPLE OF WATER AND SEWER? YES.

SO OUR BOND COVENANTS REQUIRE TO DO AN ADDITIONAL DEBT ISSUANCE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE POINT TWO FIVE TIMES REVENUE COVERAGE.

AND SO THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC FORMULA RELATED TO THAT.

IT'S IN THE BACK OF OUR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT AND IT SPECIFIES SO YOU TAKE ALL YOUR REVENUES AND THEN YOU START BACKING OUT LIKE YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES, THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE IN, ALL OF YOUR DEBT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SECURED AND YOU'RE PAYING ON AND YOUR REVENUE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE POINT TWO FIVE TIMES THE COVERAGE NEEDED TO COVER THAT EXCESS DEBT SERVICE FOR A NEW DEBT ISSUANCE.

AND THEN DOES THAT ONE POINT TWO FIVE TIMES CALCULATE TO A CERTAIN BORROWING POWER FOR THAT BOND? SO.

THE AMOUNT OF WHAT YOU WOULD BORROW.

SO WHAT WE THE WAY WE HAVE RUN OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS WE HAVE KEPT WE'VE KEPT THEM FAIRLY LEAN AS WELL JUST TO MEET THE CURRENT OPERATING REQUIREMENTS TO PROVIDE FOR ALL OUTSTANDING DEBT SERVICE, OF COURSE, AND THEN A SMALL AMOUNT OF CASH FUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS EACH YEAR.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY ANY TIME WE'VE ISSUED DEBT OUT OF EITHER OF OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, AND I SAY EITHER OUR AIRPORT DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF ISSUING ISSUING REVENUE BONDS, JUST OUR WATER AND SEWER FUND AND OUR DRAINAGE FUND.

WE ADJUST THE RATE FOR ANY NEEDED DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT ARE ARE COMING UP.

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AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD TRANSLATE INTO AS FAR AS A RATE CHANGE.

OR IF COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE ABOUT POTENTIALLY DIPPING INTO CASH FUNDED PROJECTS, WHICH WE WE WOULD, WE WOULD KIND OF WE WOULD WANT TO POSSIBLY STEER AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF ONGOING PROJECTS AND A LOT OF ONGOING CAPITAL THAT NEEDS WHETHER IT'S REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE OR EVEN NEW EXTENSIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND SO AS YOU DEPLETE ALL THOSE CASH FUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS, IT'S CERTAINLY KIND OF TIES THE ABILITY OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND TO MAKE YEAR AFTER YEAR CHANGES WITHOUT FULL ON DEBT ISSUANCES.

BUT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE WATER WASTEWATER RATE WHERE WE TO UTILIZE CASH OR AVAILABLE CASH RESOURCES.

WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO MODIFY THE RATE TO BE ABLE TO REPLENISH THOSE FUNDS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THOSE CASH FUNDED PROJECTS.

YES.

SO MOVING FORWARD IN THAT BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS, LIKE WATER AND SEWER, HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S SAY IT RAN $80 MILLION AND LET'S SAY ALL OUR EXPENSES WERE $60 MILLION AND WE ENDED UP WITH $20 MILLION IN EXCESS REVENUES.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CALCULATE OFF OF THAT THE ONE POINT TWO FIVE? AND THEN WOULD THERE BE A I'M ASSUMING IT'S COMPREHENSIVE.

YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE ENTITY AS A WHOLE BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS WORK FOR WHATEVER LIABILITIES ARE OUTSTANDING.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THE BORROWING POWER WOULD BE IF YOU HAD $20 MILLION IN EXCESS REVENUES.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IN THE THE BORROWING POWER? OR DOES THAT JUST QUALIFY YOU FOR A REVENUE BOND BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE POINT TWO FIVE OVER? AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW HISTORICALLY THAT YOU'RE MEETING THAT COVERAGE.

AND AND THE REASON FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTRY, OUR WATER REVENUES VARY GREATLY FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

SO OVER PROBABLY THE PAST SIX SEVEN YEARS, WE HAVE GONE FROM SOME OF THE WETTEST YEARS TO THE DRIEST YEARS TO THE WETTEST YEARS.

AND I THINK WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE SEMI-NORMAL YEAR IN ABOUT THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.

AND SO AS RATING AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT HISTORICAL AND THEN THEY ALSO LOOK AT YOUR PROJECTED COVERAGE GOING FORWARD, AND THAT DETERMINES AND THEY TRY TO LOOK AT SOMEWHAT OF AN AVERAGE.

SO THEY WON'T YOU CAN'T SECURE DEBT OFF OF MAYBE ONE TIME EXCESS REVENUE THAT YOU RECEIVED IN A YEAR.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT THAT'S AN ONGOING THING.

HOW MANY YEARS BACK DO THEY DO THEY GO, DO YOU KNOW? SO WE HAVE TO REPORT ON I BELIEVE IT'S 10 YEARS IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND THAT'S TO MEET THE DEBT COVENANT REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEY NORMALLY WHEN WE'RE ISSUING DEBT, THEY NORMALLY HAVE US PROJECT OUT ABOUT ANOTHER 10 YEARS TO SEE WHERE THE TREND IS HEADED.

AND THAT'S FROM A GROWTH STANDPOINT ON YOUR EXPENSE SIDE.

AND IF YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY BIG LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP, THEY WANT TO SEE THOSE AS WELL SO THEY CAN FACTOR THAT INTO IT.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO AN ENTIRE PROBLEM AND SOLVE IT AND GO BACK SEVERAL YEARS, GET AN AVERAGE, PROJECT FORWARD, LOOK AND SEE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY, YOU KNOW, EXCESS REVENUES THAT THEN HAS TO BE FACTORED BY THE ONE AND A QUARTER.

AND AS LONG AS YOU EXCEED THAT, THEN YOUR DEBT ISSUANCE IS BORROWABLE AT A ONE, ONE AND A HALF PERCENT INTEREST RATE.

IT DEPENDS.

WE HAVE AAA BOND RATINGS, AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE EXACTLY, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.

BUT IT WOULD, AND THEY'RE GOING UP CURRENTLY AS WELL, SO.

AND THEN WE WE HAD A NEW FEE, A NEW RATE, RIGHT? AND WE VOTED ON THE TAX RATE.

WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY VOTE ON THE INCREASE ON THE FEES.

BUT BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN ASSESSED.

RIGHT? ALL YOUR NEW FEES HAVE GONE INTO EFFECT? YES, AND Y'ALL ALSO DID VOTE ON THE FEES THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THAT'S PART OF THE, [INAUDIBLE].

YES, IT'S ONE OF THE ORDINANCES.

CORRECT.

SO NOT PART OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD FAIL THAT PASSED.

YES, THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY KIND OF AN ELECTION PROCESS FROM THE CITIZENS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT INCREASED FEE TO CALCULATE IN BASED ON, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE JUST TOOK ONE YEAR AND SAY LAST YEAR YOU HAD 20 MILLION IN EXCESS REVENUES, YOU WOULD PROJECT WITH THE INCREASE FEE, YOU KNOW, COMING UP TO HELP OFFSET YOUR COST OF

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AND YES, AND AND PART OF THAT RATE INCREASE THIS YEAR, THE MAJORITY OF THAT RATE INCREASE THIS YEAR IS FOR AN UPCOMING DEDICATED DEBT ISSUANCE.

AND SO WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FACTOR THAT IN.

WE'D HAVE TO SHOW THAT DEBT ISSUANCE COMING ON AND THEN THE EFFECTS OF THAT GOING FORWARD.

DO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN DEBT ISSUANCES THAT THAT KIND OF ROLLOVER, MEANING WE QUALIFY FOR THEM IN THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS? AND YOU GO AND YOU DO THE PROJECT AND YOU PAY THE THING OFF.

BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY QUALIFIED FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT ALMOST FUNCTIONS LIKE A LINE OF CREDIT AT THE BANK WHERE IT'S EASY TO GO AND BORROW THAT MONEY AGAIN FOR YOUR NEXT FUTURE PROJECT.

WE HAVE DEBT CAPACITY AND YOU CAN EITHER ISSUE DEBT OR YOU CAN REDUCE THE RATE, OR YOU CAN CONTINUE TO COLLECT THAT REVENUE TOWARDS A FUTURE PROJECT LIKE WHAT SO AS WE GET CLOSER AND CLOSER AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUSH THE THE FEE INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH [INAUDIBLE] TO OUT WITH THE HEALTH OF THE LAKE, BUT ALSO WITH SOME PROGRAM MODIFICATIONS, AND FLOYD CAN GO INTO DETAIL ON THAT.

BUT BUT THE.

WITH REGARD TO THE DEBT CAPACITY, I GAVE YOU TOO MUCH INFORMATION, NO.

AS DEBT ROLLS OFF, THAT CREATES DEBT CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN THEN ISSUE TOWARDS OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED INSIDE THE WATER FUND INSIDE THE WATER WASTEWATER FUND.

OR YOU CAN REDUCE THE WATER RATE OR YOU CAN APPLY THAT RATE TOWARDS FUTURE PROJECTS LIKE [INAUDIBLE].

AND KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THAT.

HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE NOT HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF DEBT OUTSTANDING ON ON OUR GENERAL FUND, ON OUR WATER AND SEWER FUND, ON OUR DRAINAGE FUND, ANY OF THOSE.

AND SO I BELIEVE THE NEXT.

DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS DATE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S 2028.

I'M LOOKING AT FLOYD.

BUT WHEN ONE OF THE MORE RECENT DEBT ISSUES MIGHT BE ROLLING OFF, SO WE'RE STILL.

WAYS OUT.

WE'RE A WAYS OUT.

YEAH, IT WILL HAPPEN AT SOME POINT, MOST CITIES.

I THINK THIS IS WHERE.

A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT ROLLS OFF EVERY EVERY YEAR THAT CREATES DEBT CAPACITY IN ALMOST EVERY FUND THAT THEY HAVE BOTH GENERAL FUND AND ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

THAT GIVES THEM THE CAPACITY WITHIN THE EXISTING TAX RATE TO DO MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS WITHOUT CHANGING THE TAX RATE OR THE WATER RATE.

IN THIS CASE, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REVENUE BOND.

WE'RE NOT LIKE THAT.

WE'VE CASH FUNDED THINGS HISTORICALLY.

YES, THE ABILITY TO KEEP UP WITH THE NEED FOR CASH FUNDED PROJECTS DOESN'T EXIST, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ISSUED SOME DEBT.

HOWEVER, THE AMOUNT OF DEBT WE HAVE IS VERY LOW RELATIVE TO ANY OTHER CITY, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT ROLLING OFF ANYTIME SOON, FOR THE MOST PART.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND IF I CAN CLARIFY, SURE, I WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU STATE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT AS RELATED TO OTHER CITIES, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DEBT THAT'S THAT'S BASED ON PROPERTY TAXES? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DEBT BASED ON WATER AND SEWER? YES, BOTH.

BOTH.

SO BOTH ARE EITHER ONE, EITHER ONE.

WE'RE INCREDIBLY LOW AS FAR AS DEBT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE NEXT TO NOTHING COMPARED TO JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER CITY.

IS IT? IS IT FAIR TO ASK FOR A COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH DEBT WE CURRENTLY HAVE JUST FOR WATER AND SEWER? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE QUALIFYING AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN EXCESS OF THAT TO TO QUALIFY FOR A REVENUE BOND? AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE BORROWING POWER OF THAT? WE CAN ISSUE A REVENUE BOND FOR ANY AMOUNT.

NOW WE HAVE TO QUALIFY.

WHEN I SAY QUALIFY, IT'S NOT THE QUALIFY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE ARE ISSUING IS LEGITIMATE WATER AND WASTEWATER EXPENSE.

EXACTLY.

AND WE'RE NOT.

SO WE COULDN'T COVER THE ENTIRE CITY HALL PROJECT COST WITH A REVENUE BOND.

WE COULD ONLY COVER THE PERCENTAGE OF CITY HALL THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THE THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO THE PERCENTAGE THAT CITY HALL SERVICES THAT FUND BOTH DIRECTLY LIKE THROUGH UTILITY BILLING, THROUGH THE CALL CENTERS, THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE METERS AND THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT THE UTILITY FUND MAKES.

BUT WE COULDN'T DO THE WHOLE PROJECT ON A REVENUE BOND.

I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS KIND OF LEARNING ALL THE WAY AROUND IT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO PUT AN AMOUNT TO THAT.

MY LAST QUESTION THEN I KNOW HOWARD HAS A QUESTION OR THE MAYOR CAN TELL US WHERE TO GO FROM HERE, BUT SALES TAX EXCESS REVENUES DO WE DO? WE HAVE AN UPDATE OF HOW MANY MILLION THAT IS SO FAR THIS YEAR TO DATE? SO I'M LOOKING BACK AT ANDREW TO SEE IF HE REMEMBERS OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD.

BUT WE WERE UP.

I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 16 PERCENT OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR, AND I'LL LET HIM MAYBE LOOK AND SEE IF HE CAN PULL THAT NUMBER UP QUICKLY.

I APOLOGIZE.

I SHOULD'VE BROUGHT MY LAPTOP UP HERE TO ANSWERED A COUPLE MORE.

OK.

[02:45:02]

CITY MANAGER, LAURA OR ANYBODY.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PREDICTION ON HOW MUCH WE COULD BORROW THAT WAY? FIVE MILLION, 10 MILLION? WE ESTIMATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 PERCENT OF ANY PROJECT FOR CITY HALL WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REVENUE BOND.

WE WOULD NEED TO DO THE EXACT CALCULATIONS WITH OUR BOND COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING EXACTLY CORRECTLY.

SO A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT MIGHT POTENTIALLY OR WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH TAX RATE COULD BE DONE THROUGH WATER RATE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY, THANKS.

AND OUR FIRST MONTH OF COLLECTIONS ON SALES TAX WAS UP ABOUT HALF A MILLION OVER OUR BUDGET FOR THE MONTH.

I WAS JUST LOOKING I'M SORRY, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE TOTAL YEAR TO DATE, SPEAKERS] OCTOBER 1ST.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THEN WHAT I'M ASKING YOU WAS TOTAL OF LAST YEAR.

OK.

WE'LL GET THAT FOR YOU, FOR SURE, SORRY.

NO, IT'S GOOD.

[1.F. Request future agenda items and reports from City Manager]

OK, WE'LL WAIT ON THAT NUMBER.

WHILE WE.

HERE IT COMES.

YEAH, SO WE HAD EXCESS SALES TAX COLLECTIONS JUST UNDER $8 MILLION LAST YEAR, SO IT WAS ABOUT SEVEN POINT NINE MILLION DOLLARS, AND AGAIN, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR YEAR-END AUDIT AND PUTTING TOGETHER OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET COUNCIL AND UPDATE ON WHAT THAT FINAL EXCESS, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S AN AMOUNT THAT IS WAS OVER OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE WITH WHAT OUR EXCESS RESERVES WILL BE, SO WE CAN GET AN UPDATE FROM COUNCIL ON THAT.

A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET.

YES, SO WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET, WE CALCULATED WHAT THE ESTIMATED AVAILABLE SALES TAX REVENUE ABOVE BUDGET PROJECTIONS IN THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET ALLOCATED THAT TO CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR.

YES, AND SO WE UPDATED SALES TAX AS FAR AS WE COULD THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE WE SAW THOSE NUMBERS WERE COMING IN STRONG AND THEN, AS JARED MENTIONED, TRIED TO BE ABLE TO FUND SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE NEW YEAR.

SO AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE WE MOVE AT A SNAIL PACE, BUT OUR AUDIT IS MASSIVE AND IT JUST TAKES SOME TIME.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COUNCIL THE BEST INFORMATION SO YOU ALL CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS GOING FORWARD.

TYPICALLY, THAT AUDIT IS COMPLETE--WE NORMALLY PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY AFTER THE YEAR-END OF SEPTEMBER.

YES, THAT WOULD BE.

I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY ON SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTED INFORMATION.

A LOT OF IT'S IN OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS SO I CAN GET IT TO YOU AND KIND OF POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

OK, AND COULD POINT OUT EVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT NINE MILLION ESTIMATED OVERAGE, WHAT PART OF THAT WAS ALLOCATED INTO CAPITAL SPENDING? YES, WE CAN DO THAT.

OK.

OK.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I THINK COUNCIL, WE JUST NEED TO GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION ON WHERE DO WE WANT THEM TO GO IN BRINGING US FORWARD A PROPOSAL ON CITY HALL? AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS IN WHAT SIMS ARCHITECTS BROUGHT US TODAY.

[INAUDIBLE] PRESENTED A FOURTH OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE GO BACK AROUND AND DO A BUILDING THAT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT.

SO, WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, AND I THINK THEY NEED FEEDBACK FROM US ON HOW TO DO THAT.

WHAT DIRECTION SHOULD WE GO? WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I AM JUST LOOKING AT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE NEED MORE SPACE BECAUSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW AS A STAFF.

THIS BUILDING IS ALREADY FIFTY FIVE YEARS OLD, SO I FEEL LIKE WE GOT FIVE YEARS LONGER THAN WHAT IT WAS PROBABLY MEANT TO SERVICE AS.

IF THIS WAS MY BUSINESS, I WOULD NOT INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, EVEN IF WE DID THE LOWEST RANGE, EVEN IF WE JUST DID THE ELEVATORS IN THE BATHROOMS AND THE HEATING AND AIR, I WOULDN'T INVEST THAT IN A BUILDING THAT I KNOW WAS PAST ITS USEFUL LIFESPAN.

SO, YOU KNOW, PICK A PICK A NUMBER, IS THAT $5 MILLION THAT YOU COULD GET BY WITH TO KEEP THIS BUILDING OPEN?

[02:50:06]

I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF IF YOU'RE HERE IN THE BUILDING, USING IT EVERY DAY, THINGS THAT CREATE INEFFICIENCIES FOR THE STAFF AND SO I WOULD I WOULD NOT INVEST MONEY IN THIS BUILDING, EVEN AT THE LOWEST OF LOWEST OF LOWEST ENDS IF WE THOUGHT WE COULD GET BY ON A $5 MILLION INVESTMENT.

I THINK THAT'S DISRUPTIVE TO CITY OPERATIONS IN HOW WE WOULD FIX THE BATHROOMS AND ALL OF THAT WITH PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.

I THINK THAT'S DAUNTING AND I JUST TO ME, THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION IS TO DO AMARILLO HARDWARE.

I DON'T THINK THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS ARE GOING TO, I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE AND I'M VERY SATISFIED WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING THROUGH.

WE LOOKED AT LOTS OF BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY MENTIONED TODAY, AND IT JUST IT HAD PROBLEMS WITH IT TOO.

IT HAD EXISTING TENANTS.

IT HAD EXISTING RENOVATIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

IN ADDITION TO THE ACQUISITION, COST WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

SO TO ME, RUNNING THOSE NUMBERS PUTS US AT A HIGHER PRICE TAG.

SO IF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A FUNCTIONAL BUILDING THAT WILL LAST US LONG TERM, THAT IS THE LOWEST PRICE TAG, I THINK THE AMARILLO HARDWARE WE'RE BUILDING IS THAT OPTION AND I AM GETTING MORE AND MORE UNCOMFORTABLE DOING NOTHING.

BUT IN EVERY TIME JERRY TALKS ABOUT THE SURGE THAT WE HAD IN THE BASEMENT OR THE CONCRETE FAILURE THAT WE'RE HAVING AT THE DOCK, OR THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS IN THIS BUILDING THAT ANY ONE OF THEM COULD GO WRONG AND WE CAN'T OPEN THE BUILDING FOR A WEEK, A MONTH, SIX MONTHS.

I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN ON OUR WATCH.

SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND IF YOU'RE ASKING ME WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD GO, THAT'S THE DIRECTION I THINK WE SHOULD GO.

THANK YOU.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? I HAPPEN TO AGREE THAT WE MADE THE DECISION TO GO THE DIRECTION OF AMARILLO HARDWARE, AND AFTER HEARING ALL THIS FOR THE LAST HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF, I STILL THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO AS FAR AS HAVING THE CITY HALL.

HOW TO FUND IT.

I'LL PITCH THAT QUESTION TO YOU NEXT.

[CHUCKLING].

YEAH, WELL, LET'S SET THAT QUESTION ASIDE FOR A SECOND AND LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A DIRECTION TO GO IN THAT THEY BRING US A FUNDING PROPOSAL ON AND LET THEM SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS AND I MEAN, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST ONE THING.

PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT CASH, NOT RESERVES, BUT CASH--LAURA, WHAT'S THE WORD OVERAGES? EXCESSES.

THANK YOU.

IT'S LIKE THERE'S AN ACCOUNTING WORD HERE THAT'S NOT COMING TO MY LAWYER BRAIN.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS EXCESS CASH.

YES.

WE HAVE CASH THAT WE REALIZED IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE BUDGETED.

TYPICALLY, THAT'S HOW WE FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO, EXCESS CASH IN ONE YEAR IS THE CASH NECESSARY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS IN A SUBSEQUENT YEAR, SO WE CAN REALLOCATE AND WE CAN REPRIORITIZE FUNDS AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS A PUSH PULL ANYTIME WE DO THAT.

YEAH.

OK, SO CONCERNS, OTHER COMMENTS? IDEAS YOU WANT OUT ON THE TABLE NOW, IT'S THE TIME.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

I'VE HAD A SENSE OF URGENCY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND I GUESS FROM WHENEVER WE STARTED THIS PROJECT AND NOW WE'RE UP ON THE WINTER, COMING INTO THE WINTER MONTHS AGAIN, NOT KNOWING WHAT OUR SITUATION IS GOING TO BE IN REGARDS TO CITY HALL.

BUT I AM DEFINITELY FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING.

WE'VE HAD THE CITY HALL PROJECT NOW IN THE PARKING LOT, IF YOU WILL, FOR ABOUT THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS AND SO I'M READY FOR US TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE I AGREE DOING

[02:55:02]

OK.

OTHER THOUGHTS.

MINE HADN'T CHANGED FROM THE DAY THAT WE MADE THE MOTION AND VOTED TO BUY AMARILLO HARDWARE.

THAT WAS A SMART DECISION, THEN.

IT'S A SMART DECISION NOW.

IT'LL BE A SMART DECISION TOMORROW THE WAY THAT WE PAY FOR IT.

WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT HAPPENS.

THERE'S NOT A BETTER ALTERNATIVE.

WE SQUEEZED THAT TURNIP AND THERE WASN'T ANY BLOOD IN IT.

I MEAN, WE WE SQUEEZED SEVERAL TURNIPS.

THERE WERE SOME REALLY LONG EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THE MINUTIA AND THE DETAIL, AND THERE'S NOT A BETTER ALTERNATIVE DOWNTOWN.

THERE'S NOT.

PERIOD.

OK.

COOL.

THOUGHTS? I FEEL LIKE.

YOU KNOW, THINGS JUST TAKE SHAPE OVER TIME.

YOU CAN'T REALLY GO BACK A YEAR AND A HALF AND SAY, WELL, I WASN'T THERE, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.

SO I FEEL LIKE MY TIME AND MY ENERGIES ARE BETTER SPENT AND TRYING TO HELP THIS COUNCIL FIGURE OUT HOW WE PAY FOR PARKS AND REC, YOU KNOW, SALARIES AND THINGS THAT WE STILL NEED LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, EITHER FIXING THIS BUILDING SO WE CAN KEEP IT, OR HELPING TO PAY FOR WHAT COULD BE A GOOD INVESTMENT ON AMARILLO HARDWARE AND SO TRYING TO HELP AND KEEPING OUR PRIORITIES AND TAKING CARE OF THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT WE'RE ALREADY SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR BEFORE WE PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THEM.

THAT IS MY GOAL AND THAT WOULD BE MY LEADING AND FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE BETTER DOING THAN REDIRECTING US TO GO AND TRY TO FIND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH MY TIME TO GO, LOOK AT OTHER BUILDINGS OR TRY TO FIND LAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD USAGE OF THE STAFF.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE COME FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO KNOW THAT YOU FEEL AND KNOW THAT THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING IS A GOOD INVESTMENT AND SO I DON'T WANT TO BE I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND DO RESEARCH FOR SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT.

I THINK I'D BE BETTER HELP TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE PAY FOR ALL THIS AND IN WHAT ORDER? OK.

ANYBODY ELSE? MR. CITY MANAGER, DO YOU FEEL LIKE HAVING HEARD ALL OF THE THOUGHTS OF THE COUNCIL THAT YOU NOW HAVE SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO GUIDE STAFF ON BRINGING US A PROPOSAL? YES, MA'AM, WE'LL BRING SOME OPTIONS ON SCOPE, FUNDING, ET CETERA AND, LIKE COLE SAID, THE MIX.

HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT.

OK.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ITEM THEN.

OK AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO JOHN AND SHEILA.

THANKS, FIRST OF ALL, FOR BEING WITH US FOR SUCH A LONG TIME TODAY, BUT THANKS FOR SUMMARIZING A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF GATHERING OF THAT INFORMATION INTO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DIGEST, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

OK, ITEM ONE F REQUESTING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND REPORTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

ANYBODY HAVE SOMETHING? OK, HEARING NOTHING, LET'S MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[2. CONSENT ITEMS]

I'D LIKE FOR ITEM D TO BE PULLED JUST SO I CAN BE EDUCATED ON IT.

OK.

ANYTHING ELSE? WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM D.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM TWO D, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

[2.D. CONSIDER AWARD . PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH KSA ENGINEERS]

I'M GOING TO SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE.

ALL RIGHT.

FLOYD HARTMAN IS HERE.

MATT THOMAS IS THE PROJECT ENGINEER.

WE ALSO HAVE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FLOYD HARTMAN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU'VE GOT THIS.

THIS PROJECT IS THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE RELATED TO THE GEORGIA STREET PROJECT.

[03:00:04]

IT ALSO GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF [INAUDIBLE] ON GEORGIA RIGHT THERE.

SO [INAUDIBLE] IS THE PROJECT THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED THROUGH AEDC AND IS OVER JUST NORTH OF THE SOUTHERN 335 LOOP.

WHAT CAN WE ANSWER FOR YOU? AND THIS WILL BE A FIVE LANE ARTERIAL CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO GEORGIA IN THAT LOCATION.

THIS IS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S THE ENGINEERING.

SO IT'S CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT OF THE PROJECT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WILL BE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE.

WHAT WOULD THE CONSTRUCTION BE APPROXIMATELY? MATT THOMAS [INAUDIBLE] CITY ENGINEER.

HELLO, COUNCIL.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A OPC ON THAT PROJECT FROM THE ENGINEER WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH.

WE HAVE A WHAT? AN OPINION OF PROBABLE COST.

I'M SORRY.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $11 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES DRAINAGE ANALYSIS OF THE DRAINAGE OF THE STORM, SEWER, THE ROADWAY AND EVERYTHING, AND IT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF OF TURNING WHAT'S A TWO LANE ROAD INTO A FIVE LANE ARTERIAL? IS ALL OF THAT INCLUDED IN THAT BOND THAT WAS PASSED--THIS IS PART OF THE PROPOSITION ONE BOND FUNDING.

OKAY, SO IT'S ALL THERE TO PAY FOR IT.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

EASY ENOUGH AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

HEY, WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO ITEM 2D? YES, MAYOR, WE DO.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF GEORGIA STREET, WIDENING FROM STARDUST LANE TO LOOP 335, WHICH IS RFQ06-21, JOB 462011 TO KSA ENGINEERS IN THE AMOUNT OF 1 MILLION 552 THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

ALL THOSE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM 2D? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

MOVING TO SECTION 3 OF OUR AGENDA.

[3.A. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A ROUTE 66 EMBLEM ON THE INDEPENDENCE WATER TOWER LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF S INDEPENDENCE ST AND SW 6TH AVE]

RIGHT.

MAYOR TO PRESENT THE SITE AND WE HAVE EMILY KOLLER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

IT'S A GREAT PICTURE.

SO EMILY, TAKE IT AWAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

SO YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AMENDMENTS TO AN EXISTING ORDINANCE FOR NAMES OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND FACILITIES, AND THAT PROVIDED CRITERIA AND AN APPROVAL PROCESS FOR ADDING AN EMBLEM TO A WATER TOWER.

AND SO FOR THIS PROPOSAL, WE'VE FOLLOWED THAT NEW PROCESS, WHICH REQUIRED SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION AND REVIEW BY THE BEAUTIFICATION AND PUBLIC ARTS ADVISORY BOARD FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.

THE DESIGN REVIEW CONSIDERED THE COLOR OF THE TOWER, COLOR OF THE EMBLEM, SIZE OF THE EMBLEM AND OTHER FACTORS APPROPRIATE TO THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE WATER TOWER ITSELF.

SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS RAISED $18000.

THAT PROJECT WAS LED BY HISTORIC SIXTH ON ROUTE 66 ASSOCIATION IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SAN JACINTO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD PROVIDED TO THEM, AND THEY'RE ALSO THEY'VE ALSO CREATED A MAINTENANCE FUND, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THOSE NEW AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE.

SO THE BLUE BASE COAT WILL BE REPAINTED THIS FISCAL YEAR AS PART OF AN EXISTING CIP PROJECT.

SO THAT'S AMOUNT OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO TO JUST DO THE BASE COAT AND SO THIS EMBLEM WILL NOW BE BID AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, AND IT'S EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED, HOPEFULLY IN SPRING OR EARLY SUMMER OF 2022.

SO THE DESIGN THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY WITH THE IT'S THE AMARILLO CVB LOGO.

THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT FINANCIALLY.

SO THEY'RE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS AND THE RED BOOTS ARE TO HELP KIND OF DISTINGUISH IT BECAUSE THE EMBLEM WILL BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

WE'RE LIMITED BY THE FLAT SURFACE OF THE TANK, SO IT'S ABOUT 15 FEET TALL BY 16 FEET WIDE.

BUT WE THINK THE LEGIBILITY OF THE KIND OF ICONIC 66 FONT AND THEN THE RED BOOTS

[03:05:01]

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ORIENTED DOWN 6TH STREET, AND THEY'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PHOTO WORTHY MOMENT THERE ON 6TH STREET THAT THEY CAN DO SOMETHING THAT THIS WILL BE THE BACKDROP.

SO IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PUBLIC ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION OR BEAUTIFICATION AND PUBLIC ARTS ADVISORY BOARD AND STAFFS ALSO RECOMMENDING THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A FEE, BUT COUNCIL CAN WAIVE THAT FEE, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING A WAIVER OF THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN PRIORITY PROJECT.

SO WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? HOWARD.

IT WOULD BE JUST ONE IMAGE ON THIS.

YES.

ONE IMAGE FACING EAST DOWN 6TH STREET.

SO IT'S VISIBLE AS YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG 6TH STREET TO THE WEST.

AND EMILY, WHAT WAS THE FEE FOR AGAIN? IT'S THE APPLICATION FEE, SO THE APPLICATION, YEAH, YEAH.

QUESTIONS ON THE SIDE.

OK.

I THINK THAT'S IT.

ANYTHING ELSE, EMILY? NO.

OK.

WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM, SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 3A.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AT THE PODIUM TO DO SO.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

HEY.

YES, MR. PATEL.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

SO THIS LOGO IS PAINTED LOGO OR PRINTED? JARED YOU WANT TO, THIS WILL BE PAINTED.

WE'LL DO IT CONCURRENT WITH A FULL REPAINT OF THE TOWER.

SO WE HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECT SCHEDULED TO TAKE PLACE TO REPAINT THE TOWER AND AT THE SAME TIME, WHILE THAT'S ONGOING.

THE LOGO WILL BE PAINTED ON THE TOWER.

PAINTED LOGO, RIGHT? HOW OFTEN WE REPAINT THIS LOGO? JUST ONCE, ONE TIME, CORRECT.

ANY GUARANTEE FOR HOW MANY YEARS [INAUDIBLE] THIS PAINT? FLOYD OR.

KYLE, ONE.

WE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL SAY WHILE HE'S WALKING UP HERE, WE TYPICALLY WOULD NOT GO BACK UP AND REPAINT THE LOGO UNTIL WE REPAINT THE ENTIRE TOWER AGAIN.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

TYPICALLY, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A 20 YEAR LIFE ON ON A SURFACE NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T DON'T TOUCH IT AT ALL IN THAT 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD AND SINGULAR COLORS WORK BEST FOR THE MAXIMUM TIME PERIOD.

SO.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY LOFTY GOAL TO GET 20 YEARS OUT OF A FULL ON LOGO.

SO IF I'M GOING TO TAKE A GOOD GUESS AT THAT, I'D SAY WE'RE GOING TO GET 12 TO 15 YEARS OUT OF OUT OF THAT LOGO AND I WOULD ALSO SAY IN MY TWENTY YEARS DOING CITY MANAGEMENT WORK, I'VE NEVER TOUCHED A LOGO BY ITSELF WITHOUT DOING A TOWER REPAINTING PROJECT BECAUSE THE MOBILIZATION COST IS SO HIGH FOR DOING IT, IT WOULD IT WOULD DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE COST OF THE LOGO.

SO PEOPLE DO JUST LIKE WE SEE DURING DAYTIME ONLY RIGHT ANY LIGHTING IN NIGHT TIME? DO NOT ANTICIPATE CHANGING ANY LIGHTING.

THAT'S IF THERE'S NOT LIGHTING ON THE TOWER.

WE'RE NOT ADDING LIGHTING.

THE PROJECT IS JUST FOR THE PAINTING THE TOWER.

OH, THANK YOU AND IS THAT THE KIND OF THING THAT LIGHTING COULD BE ADDED AT A LATER TIME IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASKED HER THAT FUNDRAISED FOR THAT, IT COULD BE ADDED.

IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE AND I DON'T KNOW IN THIS TOWER, IF WE HAVE A I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A WALKWAY AROUND THE EDGE, SO ANY LIGHTING WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE, SAY, FROM THE GROUND.

WE DO HAVE A CATWALK.

OK, SO WE DO THAT.

IT GETS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC TO LIGHT IT FROM FROM UNDERNEATH BECAUSE IT CREATES THOSE SHADOWS.

BUT IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION.

YEAH, YEAH.

BUT GETTING A GOOD EVEN.

IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF LIGHTING IT FROM DIRECTLY UNDER LIKE A CATWALK OF LOOKING LIKE WHEN YOU HOLD A FLASHLIGHT, RUN INTO YOUR FACE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M MAKING A JOKE, I'M REALLY NOT MAKING A JOKE.

IT JUST DOESN'T GIVE YOU A GOOD LIGHTING EFFECT.

SO WE WOULD WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SHOOT IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE TO TO LIGHT THAT WITH A VERY FOCUSED LIGHT.

AND JUST LIKE EMILY TALKED ABOUT, WE WE PLAY WITH THE SURFACE OF THE TANK SO THAT WE DON'T GET DISTORTION OF THOSE OF THOSE IMAGES.

GOOD, GOOD QUESTIONS.

YES, NEXT.

HELLO, KASHION.

HELLO.

SO I WILL SAY WE'VE BEEN TALKING PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THE GROUP ON SIX TO ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY THEY'RE ALREADY PREPARED TO START AND

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LIGHTING HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WE'RE ALSO DISCUSSING ONCE IT GETS UP NEXT SPRING AND THE TREES ARE FILLED BACK OUT, THAT THE CVB WILL BE ACTUALLY GOING OUT ONTO SIXTH AND HELPING THEM FIND A REALLY, I GUESS, INSTAGRAMMABLE SPOT AND PUT SOMETHING OUT THAT'S FUN AND INTERACTIVE SO THAT YOU CAN GET THAT AND CAPTURE IT IN A PICTURE BEHIND YOU AND POST THAT WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE.

SO.

WE LOVE THE FACT THAT THE 66 EMBLEM INSTEAD OF JUST SEEING TEXAS, HAS THE AMARILLO AND THE BOOTS AND THE RECOGNITION AND WE REALLY THINK THAT'S GOING TO DRAW A LOT YOU KNOW, TEXAS OVERLOOKS THAT WE HAVE ROUTE 66 A LOT OF TIMES.

YOU CAN TALK TO OTHER TEXANS THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATES THAT WE HAVE IT.

SO WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY NEAT TOOL.

EXCELLENT.

THANKS FOR THAT AND THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN SUPPORTING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

ANYBODY ELSE? OK, WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 3A.

YES MAYOR, I MOVE TO WAIVE THE APPLICATION FEE AND APPROVE THE ADDITION OF A ROUTE 66 EMBLEM ON THE INDEPENDENT'S WATER TOWER, LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF SOUTH INDEPENDENT STREET AND SOUTHWEST SIXTH AVENUE, SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER, TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.

PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED.

OK, THAT ITEM PASSES WITH THE 5-0 VOTE, AND THAT IS JUST SO FUN TO SEE A LOCAL GROUP WORK SO HARD, COME UP WITH A GOOD IDEA TO IMPROVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUT THEIR MUSCLES BEHIND IT AND THEN SEE IT HAPPEN.

SO WE CAN'T WAIT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING.

TYPICALLY, WHEN WE REPAINT WATER TOWERS, BUT SURELY THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING.

YEAH, WE SHOULD PARTY.

YEAH.

SO OK.

ITEM 3B IS CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 7940, MR.

[3.B. CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NO. 7940]

MAKE SURE AND TURN IT ON.

MAYOR WE HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE CONVENTION VISITORS BUREAU, THE CVB, THIS IS ALLOCATING $100000 PURSUANT TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH COUNCIL REGARDING THE ARP FUNDS.

SO ALLOCATING $100000 FROM OUR ARPA ALLOCATION, ALONG WITH AMENDING THE BUDGET TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL $250000 FROM CVB RESERVES.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DURING COVID, CVB, JUST LIKE THE CIVIC CENTER, HAD A VERY CHALLENGING YEAR.

THE CITY CONTINUED FUNDING OPERATIONS AT CVB.

CVB COMMITTED TO REPAYING FUNDS THAT THE CITY COMMITTED TO CPB IN EXCESS OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED THAT YEAR AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WAS A MULTIYEAR PLANNED REPAYMENT FROM CVB TO THE CITY, AND THEY'VE ALREADY KNOCKED IT ALL OUT.

SO REALLY BIG KUDOS TO CVB ON MANAGING YOUR PROJECT, MANAGING YOUR ACTIVITIES FINANCIALLY.

BUT KASHION IS HERE TO ANSWER PRESENT THE ITEM AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GOT.

I MAY HAVE ALREADY STOLE YOUR THUNDER.

SORRY.

NOW THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH, RIP THE BAND-AID OFF WE DID THAT THIS YEAR.

SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT IS GOING IN.

WE HONESTLY HAD HOPED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF ARPA FUNDS, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK IN AROUND TWO, HOPEFULLY, AND WE WILL SUBMIT AGAIN.

WE FOUND, YOU KNOW, IN TOURISM, THERE'S A LOT OF SPIN IT ALL AND GET THERE PROMOTING OUT THERE.

BUT DURING COVID, WE DEFINITELY FOUND HOW YOU CAN BE THREATENED WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE RESERVES.

SO THE HOPE WILL BE COME ROUND TWO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK TO PUT BACK INTO THE RESERVES.

BUT WITH ACTUALLY RIPPING THE BAND-AID OFF THIS YEAR AND PAYING ALL OF OUR DEBT BACK AND MOVING FORWARD, WE KNOW THAT WE COLLECTED QUITE A BIT MORE THAN THE BUDGET THAT WAS PROJECTED LAST YEAR, WHICH WE STUCK TO.

BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT COMPETITION THIS YEAR IS A LOT MORE FIERCE AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO ROUTE 66 AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

INTERNATIONAL WILL BE OPENING BACK UP AND WE REALLY WANT TO BE TOP OF MIND FOR THAT TOO.

SO GOING INTO THIS YEAR, WE HAVE A DEFINITE PLAN AND WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO STICK TO THAT PLAN INSTEAD OF REALLY PULLING THAT BACK.

SO YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO PULL $250000 OUT OF OUR RESERVES AND THAT WILL LEAVE US WITH $ 271000 AND QUITE A GOOD CHUNK THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE NEXT YEAR TO GO IN THERE AS WELL.

SO.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE? I DON'T THINK SO.

NOTHING FOR KASHION.

OK, THANKS, KASHION.

THANK YOU.

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BEEN MOVED BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 7940.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

ITEM 3C IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 7941.

[3.C. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NO. 7941]

MAYOR THIS IS A REZONING ITEM.

WE HAVE PLANNER BRADY KENDRICK HERE TO PRESENT THE ITEM AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL HAS, BRADY WELCOME.

YEAH.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE 7941 REZONING OF A FOUR POINT EIGHT FOUR ACRE TRACK OF UNPILOTED LAND IN SECTION 183 , BLOCK 2, A.B.&M.

RANDALL COUNTY, TEXAS, PLUS ONE HALF OF ALL BOUNDING STREETS, ALLEYS AND PUBLIC WAYS.

THE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 397 FOR A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY WITH GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

THE VICINITY IS GEORGIA STREET AND FARMERS AVENUE, AND THE APPLICANT IS MICHAEL [INAUDIBLE] AND RICK [INAUDIBLE] FOR 87TH STREET PARTNERS LLC.

ADJACENT ZONING CONSISTS OF AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO THE NORTH AND EAST LAND OUTSIDE THE CITY, LIMITS TO THE WEST AND MULTIPLE FAMILY DISTRICT ONE TO THE SOUTH.

ADJACENT LAND USES CONSIST OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE SOUTH AND UNDEVELOPED LAND IN ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING TO CONSTRUCT A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, AND THE INITIAL REQUEST SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BY THE APPLICANT WAS TO REZONE ON THE PROPERTY.

THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE FIRST BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR SELF-STORAGE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BELIEVE THAT, LIGHT COMMERCIAL ZONING WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AND THE FOLLOWING ARE A FEW OF THE FACTORS CONSIDERED IN REACHING THAT CONCLUSION.

ONE.

THE REQUEST WOULD NOT BE A LOGICAL CONTINUATION OF EXISTING ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OR ALONG THIS SECTION OF GEORGIA STREET.

TWO.

THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE REQUESTS FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THIS AREA AND WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE INTENSE, INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES WHEN CONSIDERING THE PROXIMITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THREE, BECAUSE THE AREA IS VOID OF LIKE COMMERCIAL ZONING, ALLOWING LIKE COMMERCIAL AT THIS LOCATION COULD BE CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BELIEVE THAT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING THAT ALLOW FOR GENERAL RETAIL USES AND A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY WAS AN APPROPRIATE ALTERNATIVE AS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WERE MET IN THIS INSTANCE.

THE REQUEST FOR MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS GREATER THAN THREE ACRES AND THE AREA PROPOSED FOR REZONING HAS FRONTAGE ON A SECTION LINE ARTERIAL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ALSO THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A SITE PLAN THAT CONFORMS TO TYPICAL GENERAL RETAIL STANDARDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WHICH WILL BE SHOWN ON A LATER SLIDE.

REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT CONCEPT, THE RECOMMENDED DEVELOPMENT, THE RECOMMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING A GENERAL RETAIL WOULD IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S OPINION COULD FORM AS THIS TRACK IS NEAR A SECTION LINE INTERSECTION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALSO NOTED THAT SIMILAR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WERE SEEN AT OTHER SECTION LINE INTERSECTIONS TO THE NORTH WITH AN EXAMPLE BEING 50TH IN GEORGIA, WHICH IS PICTURED ON THE SCREEN THAT FEATURES GENERAL RETAIL TRACKS IN A SIMILAR AREA IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE INTERSECTION.

REGARDING THE FUTURE OF LAND USE AND CHARACTER MAP, THE RECOMMENDED DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHILE THE APPLICANT'S TRACK WOULD NOT CONFORM TO THE JUST MENTIONED CATEGORY.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BELIEVE THAT A DEPARTURE IN THIS INSTANCE WAS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE JUST MENTIONED NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT CONCEPT AND THE LOCATION OF THE APPLICANT'S TRACK IN RELATION TO THE INTERSECTION OF GEORGIA STREET AND FARMERS AVENUE.

THIS LOCATION, PER THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT CONCEPT, TYPICALLY WOULD FEATURE NONRESIDENTIAL USES RATHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

ADDITIONALLY, AS NOTED, THAT THE IMMEDIATE AREA IS UNDERSERVED BY BY RETAIL USES THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO SURROUNDING RESIDENTS CONSIDERING THE JUST MENTIONED.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT THE REQUEST IS A LOGICAL CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING ZONING PATTERNS IN THE AREA.

IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

AS OF THIS MEETING, NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED CONSIDERING THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THE REQUEST FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY WITH GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITH A 6-0 VOTE AND ON YOUR SCREEN.

THERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AS A PART OF CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

QUESTIONS.

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YOU'RE WELCOME.

AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER ANYONE PRESENT, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR ON OR AGAINST ORDINANCE NUMBER 7941 MAY RAISE YOUR HAND COME TO THE PODIUM.

HI, MY NAME IS MICHAEL [INAUDIBLE] 3110 FRANKFURT AVENUE, LUBBOCK, TEXAS.

HI, MICHAEL.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SO I'VE BEEN IN THE SELF-STORAGE BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS.

I'VE BUILT 17 STORAGE FACILITIES OR OWN.

I'VE BUILT ABOUT 25 OF THEM AND SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR STANDARD PRODUCTS THAT WE DO.

WE HAVE THEM IN LUBBOCK.

WE HAVE THEM IN DALLAS WERE BUILDING IN DALLAS AND AUSTIN RIGHT NOW AND WE LIKE TO MAKE AMARILLO ONE OF OUR HOMES AS WELL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FIVE STAR.

VERY, VERY NICE.

BRICK ALL THE WAY AROUND SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.

I MEAN WE REALLY DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH LIKE THIS HERE IN AMARILLO, BUT I THINK IT'LL TOTALLY BE A SUCCESS.

OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL FOR MICHAEL? SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO SIT THROUGH SUCH A LONG MEETING IN ORDER TO COME UP FOR YOUR COUPLE OF MINUTES AT THE PODIUM.

BUT I LIKE WHAT I'VE SEEN.

I MEAN FROM THE COWBOYS THIS MORNING.

THE COWBOYS ARE AWESOME, AREN'T THEY? AND THEN ALL THE ARTS AND THEN Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGETS, I'M LIKE, OH, I ALREADY LIKE THIS.

I LIKE WHAT Y'ALL ARE ABOUT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S BEEN GOOD ENTERTAINMENT.

NO, I'M JUST SAYING THIS THIS.

THIS IS MY TYPE OF CITY HERE.

SO IT REALLY IS.

I'VE BUILT SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES IN [INAUDIBLE] AREA SAN ANGELO, AND I'VE GOT TO KNOW ALL THOSE FOLKS AND SO THIS IS.

AND YOU CAN TELL MAYOR PAYTON, MAYOR GUNTUR AND MAYOR POPE, THAT AMARILLO'S CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE PLENTY ENTERTAINING, I GUESS, WHICH YOU HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF THAT ANYWAY.

THANK YOU.

WHY DON'T YOU MOVE HERE, YEAH, HEY, I LIKE IT.

SO GOOD.

WE'RE GOING TO GET HIM PAYING TAXES FIRST AND THEN WE CAN REALLY GET HIM TO MOVE HERE.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE.

WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 3C ORDINANCE NUMBER 7941.

YES, MAYOR, I MOVED TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 7941 TO APPROVE REZONING OF A FOUR POINT EIGHT FOUR ACRE TRACK OF UNPLANTED PLANTED LAND IN SECTION 183, BLOCK 2, A.B.&M SURVEY RANDALL COUNTY, TEXAS, PLUS ONE HALF OF ALL BOUNDING STREETS, ALLEYS AND PUBLIC WAYS TO CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 397 FOR A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY WITH GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE VICINITY OF GEORGIA STREET AND FARMERS AVENUE.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 7941.

DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED ITEM PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

ITEM 3D IS CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION NUMBER 11-09-21-3.

[3.D. CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NO. 11.09.21.3]

MAYOR, WE'RE GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO OUR CITY SECRETARY, STEPHANIE COGGINS, TO PRESENT THE VOTE AND HAVE COUNCIL CANVASS THE VOTE FOR THE RECENT VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE ELECTION.

MAYOR COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION AT YOUR SEAT.

WE'VE RECEIVED OUR RESULTS BACK FROM THE COUNTIES AND WE'LL CANVASS THEM BY READING THIS RESOLUTION, STARTING ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE.

SO WE HAD A SPECIAL ELECTION ON THE SECOND DAY OF NOVEMBER 2021.

IN THAT ELECTION, WE HAD 6,583 VOTES FOR PROPOSITION A.

8,124 VOTES AGAINST PROPOSITION A.

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO, TEXAS, THAT ALL OF THE RECITALS CONTAINED IN THE PREAMBLE OF THIS RESOLUTION ARE FOUND TO BE TRUE AND ARE ADOPTED AS FINDINGS OF FACT BY THIS GOVERNING BODY AND AS PART OF ITS JUDGMENT.

IT IS FURTHER FOUND AND DETERMINED THAT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION ARE AS CANVASED AND TABULATED IN THE PREAMBLE HEREOF AND IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED HERETO AND A MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORS VOTING AT SET ELECTION VOTED AGAINST PROPOSITION A.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS HEREBY DECLARED NOT TO BE AUTHORIZED AND EMPOWERED TO RATIFY A VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IN THE AMOUNT STATED IN PROPOSITION A AND AS MORE FULLY SET FORTH IN RESOLUTION NUMBER 8-13-21-1 CALLING THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE ELECTION, THE CITY SECRETARY IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTED TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE ENTRIES OF INFORMATION APPEARING IN THE TABULATION OF PRECINCT RESULTS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A ATTACHED HERETO IN THE ELECTION REGISTER MAINTAINED BY THE CITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH

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006 OF THE ELECTION CODE.

THAT SAID, ELECTION WAS DULY CALLED.

THAT NOTICE OF SET ELECTION WAS GIVEN AND HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW, AND THAT SET ELECTION AND THE RETURNS THEREOF HAVE BEEN DULY CANVASED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT SAID, ELECTION AGAINST PROPOSITION A RECEIVED A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES CAST INTRODUCED AND PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO, TEXAS, ON THIS 9TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2021.

THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEPHANIE? NO.

THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.

I APPRECIATE THAT PRESENTATION.

VERY WELL DONE.

OK, AT THIS TIME THEN WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION.

MAYOR I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 11-09-21-3 TO CANVAS THE RETURNS AND DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE SPECIAL ELECTION HELD ON NOVEMBER 2ND, 2021, SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 11-09-21-3 CANVASING THE RETURNS FROM THE NOV.

2, 2021 ELECTION.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT MOTION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK, THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

ITEM 3E IS CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION 11-09-21-4 MR.

[3.E. GONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NO. 11.09.21.4]

WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP CITY SECRETARY STEPHANIE COGGINS NEAR THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE SHE'LL HAVE ITEMS E AND F, WHICH ARE CONSIDERING RESOLUTIONS TO VOTE FOR MEMBERS OF THE RANDALL AND POTTER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARDS POTTER COUNTY FIRST AND THEN AFTER WE DO ITEM G.

SHE'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE A VERY EXTENSIVE ITEM H, WHICH WE WILL MOVE THROUGH IN A VERY WORKMANLIKE MANNER, BUT IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AGENDA ITEM AS WELL.

STEPHANIE, THANK YOU.

SO IF YOU'LL RECALL, BACK IN OUR SECOND OCTOBER MEETING, WE HAD TO NOMINATE PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THE BOARDS FOR POTTER AND RANDALL COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICTS.

TODAY, WE'LL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS.

SO THIS FIRST ONE, AS MR. MILLER SAID, IS FOR POTTER COUNTY BALLOT.

IT'S ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE FIVE CANDIDATES THAT ARE ON THE BALLOT THAT WAS SENT TO US BY PRAD.

THE FOUR HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE ARE THE FOUR THAT YOU NOMINATED DURING THAT OCTOBER MEETING.

SO WE HAVE 645 VOTES TO CAST AS THE CITY OF AMARILLO.

YOU CAN VOTE EQUALLY AMONG ALL FIVE IF YOU'D LIKE TO, AND THAT WOULD BE 133 VOTES APIECE.

IF FOR SOME REASON YOU WANTED TO VOTE FOR JUST THOSE THAT WE.

NOMINATED, THAT WOULD BE 166 VOTES FOR THREE OF YOUR CANDIDATES AND 167 FOR ONE OF THEM.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PROCESS, AND AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A TWO YEAR APPOINTMENT ONCE THEY'RE ELECTED.

BUT WE DO THESE APPOINTMENTS EVERY YEAR, LIKE THE WAY THEIR BOARD IS STRUCTURED, THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ROLL OFF EVERY TWO YEARS, ACTUALLY AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT, BUT I CAN GET YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THEIR APPOINTMENT PROCESS IF THEY HAVE SOMEONE RESIGN EARLY.

SO.

ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? OK, THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO THIS THEN? YES, MAYOR, WE DO.

I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 11-9-21-4 BY ACCLIMATION FOR THE INDIVIDUALS LISTED, WHICH WOULD BE KAY LEDBETTER, ZACHARY PLUMMER, CINDY SPANEL AND MITZI WADE DEDICATING ALL 665 VOTES TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS FOR THE POTTER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD.

BY ACCLAMATION DOES THAT MEAN TO BE DIVIDED EQUALLY? YES.

OK, SO ON THAT WE'VE GOT ONE EXTRA VOTE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ROUND EVENLY BY FOUR.

DID YOU WANT TO INCLUDE JOHN COFFEY IN YOUR MOTION? YEAH, OK.

I WAS LIKE, OK, SURE.

YES.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY.

I DON'T.

I GUESS I JUST OVERLOOKED HIS NAME SINCE HE WASN'T HIGHLIGHTED.

YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

OK, SO TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION INCLUDES ALL FIVE CANDIDATES.

OK.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TO CAST OUR 665 VOTES EQUALLY AMONG THE FIVE CANDIDATES FOR THE POTTER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

ANY DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

OK, THAT PASSES WITH THE 5-0 VOTE.

ITEM 3F IS CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 11-09-21-5.

[3.F. CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION NO. 11-09.21.5]

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TAKE IT AWAY.

OK, SO FOR RANDALL COUNTY, THE BALLOT INCLUDED SIX INDIVIDUALS.

THE THREE HIGHLIGHTED MISTY CLEMENTS, LANDON MORELAND, AND JOE SHEHAN ARE THE THREE THAT COUNCIL NOMINATED BACK IN OCTOBER.

THE ONLY THING ON THIS ONE IS YOU CAN CAST VOTES FOR UP TO FIVE INDIVIDUALS AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO PICK FIVE FROM THE LIST AND SPLIT THOSE EVENLY, WE WOULD DO ONE 128 VOTES TO TO THE FIVE YOU SELECT.

OK.

QUESTIONS FOR STEPHANIE? OK.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OK, SO MAYOR, DOES ANYONE KNOW EITHER BOB LINDSEY OR ROBIN PATTERSON OR DIANE THURMAN? BECAUSE THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE INDIVIDUALS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOU DO NOW.

MAYOR PRO TEM, ANOTHER OPTION IS THAT YOU COULD TAKE YOUR 640 VOTES IN THIS CASE AND YOU COULD DIVIDE THEM BETWEEN YOUR THREE NOMINATED.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.

IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD BE 213 VOTES FOR TWO AND 214 VOTES FOR ONE PERSON.

OK.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

OK.

OK.

OK.

ALL RIGHT, SO.

SO AGAIN, ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD.

OK, SO MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 11-09-21-5 FOR THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS MISTY CLEMENTS, LANDON MORELAND, AND JOE SHEHAN FOR THE RANDALL COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD, ALLOCATING THE 640 VOTES EQUALLY TO EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO 214 TO ONE OF THE THREE AND THEN 213 TO THE OTHER TWO? THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED.

THAT WOULD WORK FOR ME SINCE I WASN'T DOING THE MATH UP HERE, SO IF I WAS TO THROW A 214 MISTY CLEMENTS IS FIRST, LANDON MORELAND SECOND, JOE SHEHAN'S THIRD.

WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHICH ONE TO GET 214 ON AND PROBABLY NEED TO INCLUDE IT IN THE MOTION.

WE COULD DO IT TO MISTY CLEMENTS.

OK.

OK.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? SECOND.

OK, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, TO ALLOCATE OUR 640 VOTES BETWEEN MISTY CLEMENTS, LANDON MORELAND, AND JOE SHEHAN, WITH MS. CLEMENTS RECEIVING THE EXTRA VOTE WHEN THAT'S DIVIDED BY THREE.

ANY DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK IT PASSES WITH THE FIVE VOTE VOTE.

ITEM 3G IS TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE

[3.G. DISCUSS AND APPROVE . PARTNERS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROGRESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE]

IN LOOKING AT THE LIST, LLOYD BROWN HAS AGREED TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR FOR THIS COMMITTEE, AND YOU'LL SEE THERE LOTS OF DIFFERENT NAMES ON THERE WITH DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

WE WERE I REQUESTED THAT COUNCIL SEND NAMES AND I GOT NAMES FROM SOME OF YOU AND YOU'LL SEE MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE REPRESENTED ON THIS LIST.

BUT THE GOAL, OBVIOUSLY, IS TO NOT JUST HAVE COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE OR WHAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A COMMITTEE THAT REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO YOUNG PEOPLE, OLD PEOPLE, PEOPLE WITH IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE OUR CITY MORE DENSE, PEOPLE WITH IDEAS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHO ARE EXPERIENCED IN THE CHALLENGES AND GROWING AND BUILDING NEW NEIGHBORHOODS.

PEOPLE FROM ALL PARTS OF THE CITY, MEN, WOMEN, ALL OF THAT.

SO WE'VE CREATED A VERY DIVERSE LIST HERE AND HAVE REACHED OUT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE FROM ALL OF THE NAMES THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THIS COMMITTEE AND ONLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T RESPOND.

I FOUND OUT TODAY HAS MOVED, SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM HER, BUT REALLY ONLY HAD ONE PERSON DECLINE, ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS GOING TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE FROM THEIR ORGANIZATION SERVE IN THAT SPOT.

SO REALLY, WE JUST WANTED A LITTLE FEEDBACK FROM THIS AND THEN THEY THEY NEED TO GET STARTED WORKING, SO WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS LIST.

ANY THOUGHTS? SO YOU JUST WANT TO KNOW FROM US IF THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LIST FOR STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD ON.

SO YES, I'M I'M GOOD WITH THIS LIST.

SO CAN WE DO IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION? OH.

WE CERTAINLY CAN.

OK, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PARTNERS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROGRESS CITIZEN'S ADVISORY

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SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TO APPROVE THIS LIST OF CITIZENS TO SERVE ON AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR REFINING OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND WALKING THROUGH THAT WITH STAFF.

SO ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MOTION? I DO SEE THAT WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHOSE NAME IS ON THIS LIST, WHO'S IN THE CHAMBER WITH US.

SO [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU FOR AGREEING TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE.

I THINK IT WILL BE AN INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE AS WELL AS A VERY PRODUCTIVE THING FOR OUR CITY.

OK, WITH THAT, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED.

OK, THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE VOTE AND I WANT TO THANK ANDREW AND FLOYD, AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON PUTTING THAT LIST TOGETHER TOO AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK IN FRONT OF THEM IN WALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COMMITTEE, OK? THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS AND

[3.H. CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]

I WILL SAY WHILE SHE'S COMING TO THE PODIUM, THIS WILL BE THE FIFTH TIME THAT HOWARD AND FREDA AND EDDY AND I HAVE WALKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND THIS IS COLE'S FIRST TIME TO GO THROUGH IT WITH US.

BUT A LOT OF WORK ON STAFF'S PART GOES INTO PREPARING THE APPLICATIONS, AS WELL AS HOW THEY COME TO COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN SEE PEOPLE'S APPLICATIONS AND WORK THROUGH THEM EFFICIENTLY AND A LOT OF WORK'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK ABOUT JAN SANDERS AND FRANCIS HIBBS AS WE DO THIS BECAUSE THEY DID SO MUCH WORK IN EVERY YEAR IMPROVING THIS PROCESS AND I CAN SAY, HAVING WORKED THROUGH THE PACKET THIS YEAR, SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE IN WHAT IT WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE SAT DOWN TO DO THIS AND WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF DOING THIS.

SO THANK YOU TO OUR MEDIA PARTNERS WHO PUSH OUT THAT THIS THAT WE DO THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.

THANK YOU TO EVERY CITIZEN WHO APPLIED TOOK THE TIME TO FILL OUT APPLICATIONS.

THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF, ESPECIALLY THE CITY SECRETARY STAFF, TO JOHNNY AND TO STEPHANIE FOR THEIR WORK.

BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PAPER AND INFORMATION THAT GETS HANDLED, AND WE JUST WANT TO START OFF BY BEING GRATEFUL AND TELLING YOU HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

OK.

YES, GO AHEAD.

ON THAT NOTE, JUST TO PUT A PIN IN WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT YOU SAID IT IN 2017.

Y'ALL'S FIRST HANDFUL OF MONTHS BEFORE WE GOT TO NOVEMBER, YOU WERE MAKING BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS NOVEMBER IS WHEN WE STANDARDIZED BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS SO THAT YOU ONLY DID IT ONCE A YEAR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE ODD UNIQUE SITUATIONS WHERE QUORUMS WERE BEING UNABLE TO BE MADE BECAUSE WE LOST SOME MEMBERS.

SO THAT WAS A BIG MOVE ON COUNCIL'S PART TO DIRECT THAT AND THEN FROM THAT POINT ON STAFF, YOU MENTIONED JAN AND FRANCES AND NOW STEPHANIE HAVE INCREMENTALLY MADE IMPROVEMENTS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

BUT THE BIG STEP AGAIN THIS YEAR.

THANKS.

TRUE.

SO THANKS FOR YOUR WORK.

WELL, AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME TOOLS TODAY TO HELP MAKE THIS AN EFFICIENT PROCESS FOR YOU.

WE DO HAVE OUR BOARD LIAISONS HERE AS WELL, AND BIG THANK YOU TO THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN AND THE ENDLESS EMAILS I SENT THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS, GETTING US INFORMATION.

SO IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE CAN BRING THEM UP TO THE PODIUM TO HELP ANSWER THEM.

JUST TO NOTE, I KNOW WE GAVE YOU PACKETS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND GAVE YOU SOME FUN READING DURING THE BREAK.

WE ALSO PUT THIS ON YOUR DAIS, WHICH IS JUST WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT A GUIDE FOR MOTIONS.

IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN USE IF YOU WANT TO.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IT'S JUST TO HELP YOU OUT ON THE MOTIONS AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME ATTENDANCE NOTES AND SO I'LL REFER TO THOSE AS WE GET TO BOARDS WHERE WE MAY HAVE A NOTE ON ATTENDANCE.

SO I WILL JUST OPEN UP EACH OF THESE BOARDS ON YOUR WORKBOOK AND THEN GIVE YOU ANY NOTES BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A FLUID PROCESS AND SO EVEN THROUGH YESTERDAY AND TODAY, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE CHANGES AND SO I'LL JUST NOTATE ANYTHING THERE AND THEN TURN IT OVER AND LET YOU ALL WORK THROUGH THE APPOINTMENTS FOR EACH BOARD.

SO OUR FIRST BOARD IS AMARILLO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

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WE HAVE TWO SPOTS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR APPOINTMENTS ON THIS ONE.

SCOTT BENTLEY IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE AGAIN, AND HE HAS INDICATED HIS WILLINGNESS TO DO SO.

BRIAN HEINRICH, IF I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, HE WOULD ACTUALLY NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE AGAIN.

IT'S A STATE RULE YOU CAN'T SERVE FOR MORE THAN SIX YEARS ON THE EDC BOARD, AND SO IF APPOINTED, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A NEW APPOINTMENT IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.

SO.

OK.

SO CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT? SURE.

AS WE GO THROUGH THESE BOARDS, I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY IF WE'RE STILL KIND OF INTERESTED IN DOING THIS IS THAT WE TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO SERVE THAT ACTUALLY WE WERE KIND OF IMPOSING SORT OF A TWO TERM LIMIT ON MOST OF THESE BOARDS.

SO IF THEY CAME UP THE SECOND TERM, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND PROBABLY REPLACE THEM WITH SOMEBODY NEW ONTO THAT BOARD.

IS THAT STILL EVERYBODY'S STILL OK WITH THAT? THOUGHTS ON THAT.

COLE.

SO IF WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO SAID, HEY, I'M STILL WILLING TO SERVE, THEY'D ALREADY SERVED TWO TERMS. YOU, YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO SERVE A THIRD.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND AS A GROUP, WE'RE WHOLLY AGREEING TO THAT.

WELL, WE'RE SAYING THAT'S GENERALLY A POLICY THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO PLACE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND SO I THINK, A FEW EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WHEN THERE'S PLENTY OF ALTERNATIVES.

WE JUST, AS A GENERAL RULE, HAVE SAID, OK, NO AND THAT'S ALL BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED.

OR IT WILL BE.

I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY LIAISON FOR HOW THEY'VE COMMUNICATED TO THEIR.

WELL, THAT'S A POLICY THAT PREDATES THIS COUNCIL TOO.

MILLER ADD TO THIS.

WE HAD CHANGED THE MUNICIPAL CODE TO TAKE THAT OUT SO THAT IT'S NOT A RULE ANYMORE.

IT'S MORE OF A POLICY BECAUSE SOME BOARDS BENEFIT FROM THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

BUT OVERALL, THE POLICY HAD BEEN TWO TERM LIMITS, RIGHT? OK.

ALL RIGHT, YOU READY FOR THE MOTION? SURE.

LET'S GET STARTED.

I'M READY TO GET STARTED.

OK, I MOVE TO REAPPOINT SCOTT BENTLEY FOR A THREE YEAR TERM TO BEGIN JANUARY 1ST, 2022, SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT SCOTT BENTLEY TO A SECOND TERM.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK, THAT MOTION PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

I MOVE TO APPOINT ADRIAN MEANDER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

I LIKE THAT, SECOND.

I LIKE IT.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED BY DR.

SAUER TO APPOINT ADRIAN MEANDER.

I THINK HIS PACKET MIGHT HAVE COME IN LATE.

DOES EVERYONE HAVE HIS INFORMATION OR KNOW HIM PERSONALLY? OK.

I MET HIM WHENEVER HE WAS, WAS HE RUNNING FOR SCHOOL BOARD HE'S A SHARP GUY.

YEAH, VERY SHARP.

OK.

ANY DISCUSSION THEN FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT ADRIAN? OK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADRIAN, THAT MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED OK, THAT PASSES WITH A FIVE 000 VOTE.

MAYOR, IF I MOVED TOO FAST, TELL ME, WELL, OK, OK AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, YEAH, I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION.

OK, STEFAN.

YEAH.

IF I MOVED TOO FAST, JUST LET ME KNOW.

OK, MY FEELINGS WILL NOT BE HURT.

I CAN MOVE FAST.

OK, STEPH.

SO THE NEXT BOARD IN YOUR PACKET IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.

IT'S AN 11 MEMBER BOARD.

THEY SERVE THREE YEAR TERMS. THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS ON YOUR ATTENDANCE NOTES, SO I'D ASK YOU JUST TO LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER THAT AND ON THIS ONE, WE HAD RECEIVED NOTICE AFTER WE FIRST GAVE THIS TO YOU THAT JOHN INGERSON HAD ASKED NOT TO SERVE ANOTHER TERM.

SO HE'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE OVER FIVE YEARS ON THE BOARD.

WE APPRECIATE HIS SERVICE, BUT WE'LL NEED A NEW APPOINTMENT FOR HIS UPCOMING TERM.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEPHANIE? NO, I HAD ONE QUESTION.

I JUST WANTED TO.

I DON'T KNOW TERRY PRICE, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS FAR AS A BALANCE TO ME, IT LOOKED LIKE WE HAD ONE ONE WOMAN ON A BOARD OF 12 PEOPLE IS THAT I BELIEVE IS TERRY IS A FEMALE.

OK, SO WE HAVE TWO WOMEN ON A BOARD OF 12 PEOPLE.

YES, MS. PRICE ACTUALLY WORKS FOR XCEL ENERGY.

OK, AND YOU KNOW HER.

OK, YEAH I JUST NEEDED A LITTLE CONTEXT.

THANKS.

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OK.

ALL RIGHT.

MAYOR, I MOVE TO REAPPOINT ROBERT ALTMAN FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT ROBERT ALTMAN.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK AND MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPOINT SHELBY MASSIE FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

OKAY IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL AND SECONDED BY DR.

SAUER TO APPOINT SHELBY MASSIE.

ANY QUESTIONS DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

IS THERE ANYTHING THERE THAT YOU WANT TO VISIT COUNCIL AS FAR AS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HOLDING UP THEIR ATTENDANCE, AND LIFE HAPPENS SO THERE THERE'S NO JUDGMENT OR SHAME.

BUT IN PARTICULAR, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS A BOARD THAT HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO SERVE ON IT.

SO LET'S PAUSE FOR A SECOND AND JUST DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, ENFORCING THE ATTENDANCE POLICY, BEING GRATEFUL FOR THE TIME THEY WERE ABLE TO SERVE.

IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE ON ATTENDANCE? I'D BE CONCERNED WITH MY ATTENDANCE DO WE GET TO GRADE YOUR PAPER, WELL THAT WILL BE RECTIFIED WHENEVER WE GO TO THE NEXT BOARD.

OK.

YEAH AND I THINK THAT JUST LOOKING AT THIS SORT OF UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS, SO I MEAN, I DON'T AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I DON'T NEED ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

MICHAEL OR STEPHANIE, EITHER ONE OF YOU.

DO WE HAVE A DOES IT VARY FROM BOARD TO BOARD, FROM LIAISON TO LIAISON, HOW YOU KEEP IN CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MEETING THAT STANDARD? LIKE, I WONDER IF THESE GUYS EVEN KNOW.

AND HOW OFTEN DOES PARKS AND REC MEET? I BET THEY KNOW.

BUT I BET LIFE IS JUST GETTING IN THE WAY, YEAH AND LIFE DOES THAT, YEAH AND IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE WERE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AS TO WHY INDIVIDUALS WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET THOSE ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT WAS SICKNESS OR OTHER THINGS THAT PREVENTED AND WE DO MEET ONCE A MONTH AS A FULL BOARD.

WE DO ALSO DO MEET WITH OUR SUBCOMMITTEES ONCE A MONTH, ASIDE FROM THE BOARD.

SO BUT MOST OF THE ATTENDANCE IS DUE TO OTHER UNFORESEEN ISSUES.

SO.

OK.

MOVING ON, YES, MOVING ON.

OK.

ALL RIGHT, STEPHANIE, OK, OUR NEXT BOARD IS THE AMARILLO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION.

WE HAVE FIVE APPOINTMENTS NEEDED FOR THIS BOARD.

IT'S A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD WITH THREE YEAR TERMS. YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR PACKET THERE ARE FOUR THERE THAT ARE ENDING AND THEN PAUL [INAUDIBLE] TURNED IN HIS RESIGNATION TO THE BOARD AND SO WE NEED ON ONE OF THESE MOTIONS TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO FILL HIS UNEXPIRED TERM, WHICH WOULD END DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.

OK, LET'S START FIRST BY VISITING WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND JUST SEEING IF THEY'RE BOTH WILLING TO CONTINUE SERVING.

HOWARD EDDY, SO THIS IS WHERE THIS COMES IN.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO CONSIDER IF COLE WILL DO IT TO TAKE MY POSITION.

I'VE I LIKE THOSE WEDNESDAYS.

IT'S ALSO THE WEDNESDAY, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE WEDNESDAY, BUT IT IS A WEDNESDAY, AND I'VE ONLY GOT THAT'S REALLY ONE OF MY BEST DAYS TO WORK IN MY OWN OFFICE.

AND SO GIVING UP TWO WEDNESDAYS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, DURING THE DAY A MONTH, I WOULD REALLY PREFER TO FOCUS ON PARKS AND RECREATION AND I THINK IT'D BE A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR COLE TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW THE LGC WORKS.

I THINK IT'D BE GREAT.

IT'D BE A GREAT BOARD TO BE ON.

COLE WE NEED TO ONBOARD YOU TO SOME THINGS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD FIT AND I'D LIKE TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY, SO I WOULD ACCEPT THAT IF THE COUNCIL IS GOOD WITH IT.

OK, OK.

WELL THEN I MOVE TO APPOINT COLE STANLEY FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022 AND IN MY PLACE.

OK.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT, SECOND FROM HOWARD.

ANY DISCUSSION OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

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OH, VOTE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, COLE, FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

OK, BEFORE WE MOVE ON WILLIAM BIGGS TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING STARTED IN 2015.

DOES HE HAVE CONSECUTIVE YEARS? THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD.

WE WOULD ROLL ON, SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS ON THIS.

THAT WOULD BE A TWO.

THAT WOULD BE TWO TERMS FOR MR. BIGGS.

SO YES, IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD APPOINT INSTEAD OF REAPPOINT.

I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER APPOINT.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPOINT GARY JENNINGS IN THAT POSITION.

OK.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? I SECOND.

OK.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN, SECONDED TO APPOINT GARY JENNINGS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSITION THAT WILLIAM BIGGS HAS VERY LOYALLY SERVED IN.

WE APPRECIATE.

HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.

YES, REALLY GREAT JOB.

WE APPRECIATE THOSE SIX YEARS AND BUT NOW I THINK THERE'S A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE HERE WILLING TO SERVE.

SO I THINK WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THAT POLICY THAT WE'VE TRIED TO CARRY FORWARD ON.

SO THE MOTION IS FOR GARY JENNINGS, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED.

OK, SO MR. JENNINGS WILL BE REPLACING MR. BIGGS AND I WOULD ALSO SAY I MOVE TO REAPPOINT HOWARD SMITH FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

CAN WE ALSO JUST GO AHEAD AND ADD ALFONSO'S ZAMBRANO TO THAT TOO? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO DO A SEPARATE MOTION FOR HIM.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE SEPARATE? DON'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THEM.

IF YOU WANT TO COMBINE, YOU CAN.

I'LL DO SEPARATE.

SHE WANTS TO DO THEM SEPARATE.

OK, DO YOU WANT A SECOND, THE ONE FOR HOWARD.

SURE.

SECOND, YEAH, I'M DOING IT FOR PEOPLE WATCHING TOO.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

OK.

OK.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT HOWARD SERVING? ALL THOSE, SHOULD WE [LAUGHTER], ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

AND YOU HAVE A MOTION OR, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER.

NOW I KNOW.

NO, NOT A PROBLEM.

I MOVED TO REAPPOINT ALFONSO ZAMBRANO FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022, SECOND.

OK IT'S BEEN MOVED IN, SECONDED TO POINT ALFONSO ZAMBRANO.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

WE'VE GOT ONE MORE SPOT.

I MOVE TO APPOINT TOM SHERLYN TO FILL PAUL [INAUDIBLE] UNEXPIRED TERM BEGINNING IMMEDIATELY.

I DON'T SEE THAT HE'S APPLIED, SO IF YOU TALK TO HAVE SPOKEN WITH HIM.

OK.

WAITING ON A SECOND.

IF WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION, DOES SOMEONE ELSE HAVE A MOTION? HMM.

GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT, I'M LOOKING AT THE I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST OF NAMES HERE.

I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE REVISED LIST THAT WE HAVE.

I WOULD MOVE TO APPOINT, MEGAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO SAY HER LAST NAME, [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT, MEGAN.

OK, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT MEGAN? AGAIN I LIKE TO SEE BALANCE ON THERE WITH REGARD TO DIVERSITY AND OK, MALE, FEMALE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MEGAN, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LIST OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE DID RECEIVE, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING BY ON HERE.

OK.

ALL RIGHT.

OK.

SO DOES THAT GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON LGC STEPHANIE? YES, MA'AM.

OK.

NEXT.

BOARD NEXT IS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

JUST A NOTE ON YOUR PACKET.

WE HAD THIS MARKED AS ALTERNATES THAT THERE ARE NO ALTERNATES ON P&Z, SO IT'S A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD WITH THREE YEAR TERMS. ONE OTHER NOTE I HAVE WE HEARD BACK FROM MR. PEDRO LIMAS AND HE IS WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN AND SO YOU MIGHT MARK THAT ON YOUR PAGES.

I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD ALSO BE ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE'VE GOT SOMEONE WITH THAT'S COMPLETED TWO TERMS. MM HMM.

MM HMM.

SO STARTING WITH MR. DICK FORD, I WOULD MOVE TO APPOINT CINDY [INAUDIBLE] FOR A THREE YEAR TERM

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SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT CINDY [INAUDIBLE] IN DICK FORD'S POSITION, YES.

ANY DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTION ABOUT THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE AND I WOULD MOVE TO REAPPOINT JASON AULT FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT JASON AULT FOR A SECOND THREE YEAR TERM.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK.

THAT MOTION WILL PASS WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

THE LAST SPOT.

THEY NOW IS MR. SO HE IS MR. LIMAS I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE WHERE.

LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES REALLY QUICK HERE, AND I HAD A QUESTION.

JUST WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, I THINK SHE'S GOT A TIME FRAME QUESTION.

WE DID CONFIRM THAT HE'S WILLING TO SERVE.

YES.

YEAH, I SEE IT IN MY NOTES NOW.

OK.

I WILL SAY THIS, I'VE TALKED TO JEFF PERKINS, WHO HIS DAD IS A LONG WAS A LONG TIME BUILDER HERE, AND JEFF IS DONE BUILDING ALSO.

I THINK HE MIGHT BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THAT BOARD.

SO I NOMINATE JEFF PERKINS AND I'VE TALKED TO HIM, HE'S HIS APPLICATION WAS ON SEVERAL OTHER OF THESE, AND I THINK HE'D BE A GREAT ADDITION.

I'LL SECOND, OK.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR JEFF PERKINS TO SERVE IN THE POSITION THAT PEDRO LIMAS HAS FORMERLY SERVED IN, AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT IT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

OK, THAT MOTION PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

OK, STEPHANIE, OK.

OUR AMARILLO HOSPITAL DISTRICT BOARD OF MANAGERS IS A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD WITH TWO YEAR TERMS. YOU'VE GOT FOUR APPOINTMENTS COMING UP FOR THIS BOARD EXCUSE ME.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS.

BOARD MAYOR, DO WE HAVE A MOTION OK? YES, MAYOR, I MOVE TO.

LET ME CHECK THIS JUST A MOMENT.

I MOVED TO REAPPOINT WILLIAM BIGGS FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

SO CAN WE DISCUSS THAT ONE? YEAH, WE CAN.

YES, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO REAPPOINT WILLIAM BIGGS, AND YOU HAVE GO AHEAD.

I'LL LET LAURA SPEAK TO THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BOARDS SPEAKERS] INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR BOARDS THAT THERE IS A GREAT NEED FOR LONG TERM INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE RELATED TO IT.

IT'S A FAIRLY COMPLEX BOARD WITH TRANSACTIONS THAT OCCURRED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND IT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS TO GET OUR BOARD MEMBERS UP TO A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THIS BOARD.

SO I WOULD CERTAINLY HONOR ANY OF COUNCIL'S WISHES ON THIS, BUT WOULD RECOMMEND FROM A STAFF POINT THAT IF WE HAVE MEMBERS THAT ARE WILLING TO SERVE MORE THAN A TWO MORE THAN THEIR TWO TERMS, THAT THIS IS A BOARD THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH.

OK, SO.

GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, DICK FORD ON THE PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING HAS A LOT OF INTRICATE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT HAS BEEN WILLING TO SERVE AND YOU KNOW, WE WE DIDN'T REAPPOINT HIM EVEN THOUGH HE REQUESTED IT AND ON THIS ONE, I DO SEE DOUG ALBRECHT DOWN THERE.

FANTASTIC PHYSICIAN DR.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO SCENARIOS? I THINK THE COMPLEXITY I MEAN, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO IT LAURA, BUT I THINK THE COMPLEXITY BETWEEN THOSE TWO BOARDS IS IS DIFFERENT, DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.

ABSOLUTELY AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH PLANNING AND

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BIGGS IN HIS POSITION IN PARTICULAR.

HE WAS ON OTHER SIDES OF SOME OF THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THESE TRANSACTIONS OCCURRED AND BRINGS A WHOLE OUTSIDE SET OF KNOWLEDGE TO THE OVERALL TRANSACTIONS THAT ARE STILL TAKING PLACE BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND ONE OF OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS THAT WE HAVE INDIGENT CARE AGREEMENTS ESTABLISHED WITH AND THOSE ARE LONG TERM AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1996 AND THEY GO ON UNTIL 2036 AND I WILL SAY, AND I'M GETTING MAYBE A LITTLE OFF FREDA HERE, BUT EVEN THE TRANSITION BETWEEN DEAN FRIGO AS CFO TO MICHELLE BONNER AS CFO TO NOW ME AS CFO.

I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE LONG TERM KNOWLEDGE HAS THEY'VE DONE THEIR BEST TO CONTINUE CONVEYING THAT YEAR AFTER YEAR, BUT IT DOES BREAK DOWN A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME, AND I THINK SOME OF THIS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS IMPERATIVE ON THIS BOARD AND THIS ACTUALLY IS A TAXING ENTITY AND IF YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, THESE ARE THERE ARE SOME BIG CHANGES THAT WILL BE COMING IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS WHERE THIS THIS ENTITY WILL HAVE TO START ASSESSING A TAX RATE AGAIN, AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE STATE LEGISLATORS.

AND THIS IS ONE THAT I THINK THERE THERE AGAIN, WOULD BE A LOT OF BENEFIT HAVING MORE OF THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE RETAINED.

DEAN AND MICHELLE CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY TELLING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN HOW MANY YEARS SINCE DEAN RETIRED.

IT'S PROBABLY 10 YEARS.

MAYBE, YES, MAYBE AND SO JUST THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT BOTH MICHELLE AND DEAN ARE RETIRED, BUT YET THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE AS CITIZENS ON THAT BOARD BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND AND IT'S BEEN A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE BOARD HAVING THOSE TWO ON IT AND WE'VE HAD SOME TRANSACTIONS GOING ON WITH ONE OF OUR LOCAL HOSPITALS RELATED TO THIS INDIGENT CARE AGREEMENT AND DR.

BIGGS HAS BEEN KEY IN KIND OF WORKING THROUGH AND NAVIGATING SOME OF THAT BECAUSE HE HAS SEEN VARIOUS SIDES OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS OVER HIS CAREER.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

OK.

I'VE FORGOTTEN NOW, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, YES.

OK.

YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.

HELP ME.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT DR.

BIGGS AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND? YES.

OK, SO MOTION AND A SECOND TO REAPPOINT DR.

BIGGS.

WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT IT IS THERE MORE CONVERSATION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

OK, THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

MAYOR I MOVE TO REAPPOINT DEAN FRIGO FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

OK, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO REAPPOINT DEAN FREGO.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE MAYOR, I MOVE TO REAPPOINT WESTON WRIGHT FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1, 2022.

SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO REAPPOINT WES WRIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

OK.

MAYOR, I MOVED TO REAPPOINT RODNEY YOUNG FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND, OK, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO REAPPOINT DR.

YOUNG FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.

ANY CONVERSATION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED OK, THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

OK, STEPHANIE, OK, YOUR NEXT COMMITTEE IS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

THIS IS A FIVE MEMBER TERM WITH THREE YEARS.

YOU HAVE TWO POSITIONS UP FOR POTENTIAL REAPPOINTMENT AND THEN ONE VACANCY POSITION.

OK.

OK.

MAYOR, I MOVE TO REAPPOINT ALISON RAMOS PIERCE FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO REAPPOINT ALI RAMOS, AND IT'S SO FUN THAT WE KNOW HER NOW.

I KNOW SHE'S PUT HERSELF OUT THERE TO RUN FOR A COUNCIL POSITION.

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ANYONE OPPOSED.

SHE PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

SO DID SHE TAKE AN UNFILLED POSITION? NO, SHE'S BEING REAPPOINTED.

BUT WHY IS HER TERM SO SHORT? NO, IT'S TWO YEARS.

OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYBE SHE DID.

SHE BEGAN SERVING IN 2020 SO I MEAN, WE JUST PUT HER ON IT THIS YEAR.

[INAUDIBLE] A ONE YEAR TERM.

[INAUDIBLE] SO ALI RAMOS IS NOT HER TERM IS NOT ENDING THIS DECEMBER.

TERMS ARE AND IF HER TERM ENDED, WE'VE REAPPOINTED HER.

IF NOT, THEN WE YEAR, JUST LAST YEAR.

WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

IT'S A ONE YEAR TERM.

IT SAYS THREE.

YEAH, A THREE YEAR TERM.

BUT EITHER WAY, HER DATES SHOW THAT SHE'S FULFILLING SOMEBODY ELSE'S THE END OF TERM.

AND WE'LL CHECK ON THAT TERM LENGTH.

MOST OF YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE THREE YEARS UNLESS STATE STATUTE OR ONE OF OUR RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES SAYS DIFFERENT.

OK, SO WE'LL CHECK ON THIS.

YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE.

ANYTHING TO ADD, STEPHANIE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT THEM AT THE END OF THEIR CURRENT TERM IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.

BUT IF IT'S A YEAR OUT, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DO THAT.

SO SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE CONFUSING FOR YOU GUYS TO REMEMBER.

YEAH, I'M SURE YOU'RE UP TO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

OK.

OK.

MAYOR I MOVED TO REAPPOINT JAMES KLEMMER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO REAPPOINT JAMES KLEMMER FOR A TERM ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED OK, THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

WE'VE GOT ONE MORE SPOT THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW.

DOES SOMEONE KNOW THE OTHER FOUR INDIVIDUALS ON HERE? NO, [INAUDIBLE] DO YOU? I DON'T PERSONALLY.

I AND, OK, I DON'T HAVE IT, I DON'T SEE A RECOMMENDATION.

SO MAYBE IF WE GAVE YOU THIS LIST.

OK.

I WILL NOT DO AS GOOD A JOB OF PRONOUNCING THAT AS YOU DID.

OK? MAYOR, I MOVED TO APPOINT.

TERRI GUENGERICH FOR A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

OK, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT TERRI TO A TERM ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING HOW TO ACTUALLY SAY HER NAME.

AND ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK, WE'LL ADD TERRI TO THAT BOARD.

OK, STEPHANIE.

OK, NEXT ON YOUR PACKET IS THE AMARILLO AREA PUBLIC HEALTH BOARD.

I DID WANT TO NOTE ON THIS ONE, AND IT WAS ON YOUR MEMO ON FRIDAY.

JIM WOMACK APPLIED TO THIS BOARD.

SO IF YOU'LL ADD HIS NAME TO YOUR LIST AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT KEVIN HAWKINS

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AND THEN JUST A NOTE ON THE VACANCY FOR THE JURISDICTIONS UNDER THREE THOUSAND THAT HAS BEEN FILLED BY MIKE CAMPBELL OUT OF TIMBER CREEK.

OK, JUST CASIE'S IN THE ROOM? I THINK CASIE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT HAVE RESTAURANT OR FOOD PREP INDUSTRY TIES? NO MA'AM.

SO KEVIN IS THE ONLY ONE MAYOR I MOVED TO REAPPOINT KEVIN HAWKINS FOR THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT KEVIN HAWKINS TO ANOTHER TERM.

ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED.

OK.

THAT PASSES WITH A FIVE 0 VOTE.

STEPHANIE, OK, NEXT UP IS THE AMARILLO POTTER EVENTS VENUE DISTRICT BOARD.

THIS ONE HAS POSITIONS SERVING THAT AMARILLO APPOINTS AND ALSO POTTER COUNTY.

WE HAVE THREE POSITIONS UP FOR APPOINTMENT.

ALL THREE ARE WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN AND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR SUCH.

MAYOR I MOVED TO REAPPOINT DIPAK PATEL FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT DIPAK TO ANOTHER TERM.

MR. PATEL.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE ON THIS BOARD.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO DO IT AGAIN.

YEAH.

DID YOU? CAN I ASK HIM, DID YOU FILL IN AN UNEXPIRED TERM? OK, SEE, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.

DID YOU JUST START THIS PAST YEAR OR HAVE YOU BEEN ON IT FOR TWO YEARS.

LAST YEAR? THIS IS A TWO YEAR BOARD, SO HE WOULD HAVE SERVED 2020 AND 2021.

SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR ONES, THAT'S NOT THREE.

WE'RE TRYING TO THROW CURVEBALLS YOUR WAY TONIGHT.

TRICKY.

OH YES, THE VERY FIRST DAY OF 2020.

YEAH.

OK, I GET IT.

IT'S MY BAD.

I'M SORRY.

IT'S.

OK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING DIPAK PATEL, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANYONE OPPOSED? OK? PASSES WITH A FIVE 0 VOTE.

MAYOR I MOVED TO REAPPOINT VANCE REED FOR A TWO YEAR TERM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1, 2022.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPOINT VANCE REED.

ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT NOMINATION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.