Jun 22, 2021 City Council Regular Meeting

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>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> GOOD.

>> NOW WE'RE LIVE.

THANK YOU. LET'S PRAY TOGETHER.

SURELY YOU KNOW, LORD, HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE THAT WE CAN GATHER HERE IN THIS CHAMBER AGAIN TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF OUR CITY.

JUST AS OUR CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS MADE IT THROUGH THE WORST PANDEMIC DAYS BY USING VIRTUAL MEDIA, OUR ELECTED LEADERS AND MUNICIPAL STAFF MANAGED TO ZOOM THESE MEETINGS.

BUT IF WE ASK ANY PASTOR, IF WE ASK ANY TEACHER OR OUR MAYOR, ALL OF THEM WOULD TELL US THAT MEETING ONLINE WAS JUST NOT THE SAME AS MEETING FACE-TO-FACE.

THANK YOU, LORD THAT THE WORST OF THE VIRUS THREAT SEEMS TO BE OVER.

THANK YOU THAT EACH DAY LIFE IN OUR TOWN MOVES CLOSER TO NORMAL.

THANK YOU THAT WE'RE BACK HERE IN THIS SPECIAL PLACE.

THANK YOU, LORD FOR ALL WHO ARE PRESENT HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL THE TIME AND ENERGY THEY DONATE TO LEAD OUR CITY.

THANK YOU FOR OUR CAPABLE STAFF, FOR THE SKILLS AND COMMITMENT THAT ENABLE THEM TO SERVE US SO WELL.

THANK YOU ALSO, LORD.

FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY WHO CARE ENOUGH TO BE INVOLVED IN DELIBERATIONS HERE TODAY.

GUIDE ALL OF US IN THIS MEETING, LORD, AS WE NEGOTIATE CITY BUSINESS AND SHAPE THE FUTURE OF OUR TOWN.

BY YOUR SPIRIT, GRANT ALL OF US WISDOM AND SELF-CONTROL.

WE PRAY THIS PRAYER THROUGH YOUR SON. AMEN.

>> AMEN.

>> AMEN. WOULD YOU JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>>

>> THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED.

>> I'VE ASKED THE MAYOR PRO TEM TO READ OUR PROCLAMATION FOR JUNETEENTH TODAY.

[PROCLAMATION]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK, DON'T WE? [NOISE] JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE.

IT'S AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION.

SO WHEREAS THE INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE IN AMERICA BEGAN IN 1616 WITH THE LANDING OF THE FIRST SLAVES ON OUR SHORES AND CONTINUED OFFICIALLY UNTIL PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN ISSUED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON JANUARY 1ST, 1863 AND WHEREAS, ALTHOUGH THIS HISTORIC PROCLAMATION WAS ISSUED IN 1863, TEXAS SLAVES DID NOT RECEIVE WORD OF FREEDOM UNTIL TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS LATER, ON JUNE 19TH, 1865, AFTER UNION SOLDIERS, LED BY MAJOR GENERAL GORDON GRANGER LANDED ON GALVESTON ISLAND AND ANNOUNCED THAT ALL TEXAS SLAVES ARE FREE AND WHEREAS THE 19TH DAY OF JUNE OR JUNETEENTH BECAME A DAY OF CELEBRATION AND JUBILATION FOR TEXAS SLAVES.

IT IS A TIME MARKED WITH NOT ONLY PICNICS AND FAMILY GATHERINGS, BUT ALSO REFLECTION AND REJOICING IN CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE OF ALL CULTURES, NATIONALITIES, AND RELIGIONS ARE JOINING HANDS SO TRUTHFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED A PERIOD IN OUR HISTORY THAT CONTINUES TO INFLUENCE OUR SOCIETY TODAY.

WHEREAS IN 1978, THE HONORABLE AL EDWARDS OF HOUSTON OF THE TEXAS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AUTHORED AND INTRODUCED HOUSE BILL 1016 ON JUNE 13TH, 1979, GOVERNOR WILLIAM P. CLEMENTS SIGNED A BILL INTO LAW THAT MAY JUNETEENTH AN OFFICIAL STATE HOLIDAY IN TEXAS.

NOW THEREFORE, WE, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF AMARILLO, TEXAS DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE JUNE 19TH, 2021 AS JUNETEENTH, AND CALL UP ON THE CITIZENS OF AMARILLO TO JOIN TOGETHER IN HONOR OF THIS SIGNIFICANT DAY TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF JUNETEENTH TO THE FREEDOM SO CHERISHED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, GIVEN UNDER OUR HANDS AND SEAL OF OFFICE THE 17TH DAY OF JUNE 2021, THE HONORABLE MAYOR GINGER NELSON, COUNCIL MEMBERS: COLE STANLEY, FREDA POWELL, EDDY SAUER, AND HOWARD SMITH.

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IF YOU ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE JUNETEENTH ACTIVITIES THIS PAST WEEKEND, ON SATURDAY, IT WAS A GREAT TURNOUT AND IT WAS CERTAINLY WHEN YOU LOOKED OUT INTO THE AUDIENCE, YOU COULD SEE THE DIFFERENT CULTURES THAT WERE REPRESENTED IN OUR CITY.

THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST EVENTS FOR JUNETEENTH THAT WE HAVE HAD.

I WAS SO PROUD AND HONORED TO BE WITH MAYOR NELSON TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PARADE.

WE ACTUALLY RODE TOGETHER AND WE SAW LOTS OF CITIZENS THAT DAY.

WHAT I CAN SAY IS, THIS IS DEFINITELY HISTORY IN HASHTAG PROGRESS.

IT'S JUST GREAT TO RECEIVE THIS.

I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SENATORS AND THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT ACTUALLY VOTED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF MELODIE GRAVES AND THE NORTH HEIGHTS ADVISORY ASSOCIATION.

[APPLAUSE].

>> ASHLEY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A PIC.

>> PERFECT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS PUBLIC ADDRESS.

[PUBLIC ADDRESS]

>> THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

YOUR INPUT AND YOUR OPINIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE TO SHARE THEM.

AT EACH POSTED MEETING, WE INVITE OUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL REGARDING POSTED AGENDA ITEMS TO ENSURE ALL WHO WISH TO SPEAK ARE ABLE TO, WE LIMIT EACH SPEAKER'S TIME TO THREE MINUTES.

AT THE END OF TWO AND HALF MINUTES, A WARNING BEEP WILL SOUND FROM THE TIME CLOCK SO YOU HAVE TIME TO WRAP UP YOUR THOUGHTS.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND STATE LAW, SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO ITEMS ON POSTED AGENDA.

DOING SO WILL ENSURE WE'RE ALL FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND ARE ABLE TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE AND BENEFICIAL MEETING FOR ALL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROCESS AND YOUR VALUABLE INPUT.

THE FIRST AND ONLY SPEAKER TODAY WILL BE MICHAEL FORD.

[NOISE]

>> MAY BE I CAN GET TO ANOTHER 10 SECONDS, SINCE I'M THE ONLY SPEAKER, [LAUGHTER] PERHAPS.

GOOD MORNING, AFTERNOON, ACTUALLY.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL FORD. EXCUSE ME AS I GET THIS THING FIXED HERE.

I'M SPEAKING ON ITEM 1B, COVID UPDATE.

FOLLOWING MY REMARKS AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS BY THIS PANEL AND OTHERS THAT WERE, WHAT WE SAY NOT ACCURATE.

[NOISE] HANDING A PERSON A 20-PAGE DOCUMENT EXPECTING THEM TO SATISFY ANY OBLIGATION OF INFORMED CONSENT IS AN ABSOLUTE FUSS.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE POTENTIAL SIDE EFFECT OF DEATH DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE IN ANY PACKAGES PROVIDED BY THE CITY.

WHAT EXACTLY IS INFORMED CONSENT? ACCORDING TO THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, THE PROCESS OF INFORMED CONSENT OCCURS WHEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN A PATIENT AND A PHYSICIAN RESULTS IN THE PATIENT'S AUTHORIZATION OR AGREEMENT TO UNDERGO SPECIFIC MEDICAL INTERVENTION.

SEEKING A PATIENT'S INFORMED CONSENT, PHYSICIANS SHOULD, AMONG OTHER THINGS, DISCUSS THE BURDENS, RISKS, AND EXPECTED BENEFITS INCLUDING FORGOING TREATMENT.

AS FOR RISKS, THERE ARE ZERO MENTION OF DEATH DUE TO THE SHOTS.

EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ON THE TRACK TO EXCEED THE NUMBER OF DEATHS RECORDED FROM ALL VACCINES AND THE VARIOUS SYSTEMS FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS FROM THESE THREE EXPERIMENTAL MRNA PRODUCTS.

OVER 6,000 DEATHS HAVE BEEN REPORTED INTO [INAUDIBLE] SIXTY PERCENT OF THOSE DEATHS ARE PEOPLE 66 AND OLDER THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING SO VERY HARD TO PROTECT.

AT THE CURRENT RATE, BY SEPTEMBER WE WILL SURPASS 9,000 DEATHS, AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE'LL BE AT 12,000 DEATHS, WHICH IS 43 TIMES THE ANNUAL AVERAGE OF DEATHS FROM ALL 54 VACCINES ADMINISTERED TO CHILDREN AND ADULTS IN THIS COUNTRY.

INEXPLICABLY A CITY PLOTS ALONG AND PHASE BY THESE MASSIVE NUMBERS, WHICH IS IN STARK CONTRAST TO THE CITY'S REPORTING OF EVERY NEW CASE GENERATED BY THE RT-PCR TESTS THAT WE KNEW WERE GENERATING UPWARDS OF 97 PERCENT OF FALSE POSITIVES.

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PEOPLE DYING FROM THESE VACCINES AND NUMBERS NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

WELL, THE FACT THAT THE WHO HAS FINALLY A WOKEN UP FROM ITS SLUMBER AND STATED THAT CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE RECEIVING THESE VACCINES UNTIL MORE IS KNOWN ABOUT THEM CHANGE YOUR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS.

CHILDREN AND ALMOST ZERO-RISK OR ANY SEVERE CONSEQUENCES OF COVID, WE'RE GETTING NUMBERS OR SUFFERING SEVERE INJURY, AND DEATH FROM THESE SHOTS.

ONE OF THERAPEUTICS MENTIONED IN THE CITIES PACKAGES, IS IT BECAUSE EFFECTIVE THERAPEUTICS WILL AVOID THE EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION TO THE EXPERIMENTAL INJECTIONS? YES, THEY WILL AND YES, THEY SHOULD.

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE WAS JUST THREE WEEKS AGO, FOUND TO REDUCE SEVERE EFFECTS OF COVID, NOT BY THREE PERCENT, NOT BY 30 PERCENT, BY 300 PERCENT.

WHAT ABOUT IVERMECTIN? IVERMECTIN PROTECTS YOU FROM GETTING COVID AND WILL CURE YOU IF YOU HAVE IT.

MEXICO CITY JUST CLEARED OUT THEIR HOSPITALS BY USING IVERMECTIN.

WHAT ABOUT VITAMIN D. HEY, FOLKS MASSIVELY REDUCE YOUR RISK OF GETTING SEVERE COVID AILMENTS BY GETTING YOUR VITAMIN D LEVELS ABOVE 50.

I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT I'LL CONCLUDE WITH THIS.

WHAT ABOUT MELATONIN? CLINICAL RESEARCHERS AT TEXAS TECH AND THEY'RE HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER JUST PUBLISHED A PEER REVIEWED PAPER THAT CONCLUDED THAT "MELATONIN IS ANTI-INFLAMMATORY AND ANTIOXIDANT PROPERTIES PROTECT IT GETS COVID-19".

MELATONIN IS RECOMMENDED FOR USE ON THE FIRST DAY OF COVID-19 DIAGNOSIS.

[NOISE] THE CITY IS NOT PROVIDING INFORMED CONSENT ON THESE EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGICS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU.

>> MR. FORD. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> IT'S BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE NOT DO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

IT JUST TAKES US INTO AN UNKNOWN AREA THAT WE TRY NOT TO SLIDE CLOSE TO VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, LET'S WAIT TILL THE AGENDA ITEM AND COME BACK AROUND AND DO QUESTIONS THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> CAN I COME UP AN ANSWER, COULD THEY ASK ME A QUESTION ON THE AGENDA ITEM? IT'S NOTICED AND IT'S [OVERLAPPING]

>> ASKING ON B ON THE CORONAVIRUS UPDATE.

I'LL ASK THE QUESTION AND THEN IS IT OKAY IF HE HAD AN ANSWER, CAN HE COMMENT?

>> YEAH. I GUESS SO.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> YEAH.

>> AS WE DON'T DISCUSS THIS.

>> YEAH.

>> AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY.

>> IT'S ON THE AGENDA. I ASSURE YOU I'VE CHAIRED 70 MEETINGS OVER 70 MEETINGS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I ASSURE YOU WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY LAWS BY HAVING A CONVERSATION THAT'S NOTICED. THANK YOU.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR RESPECT SHOWN TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR ALL OF THE EXPERTISE AND THE TIME HE SPENDS ADVISING US.

I APPRECIATE YOU, BRIAN.

WE'RE GOING TO TRUST THAT ADVICE AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THAT ON ITEM B.

MOVING FORWARD TO ITEM 1A,

[1.A. Review agenda items for regular meeting and attachments;]

ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING IN THEIR PACKET ABOUT THAT? NO, OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 1B THEN.

[1.B. Coronavirus update;]

>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO JUST AND WE GOT THE DATA RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN.

TO AN EXTENT, I'M DOING WHAT I DON'T LIKE TO DO, WHICH IS READING STUFF THAT PEOPLE CAN ALREADY SEE.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF UPDATE ON WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCED AS FAR AS OUR NUMBERS.

TOTAL WAS 34,627, POTTER COUNTY AND RANDALL COUNTY, OR ALMOST EVENLY DISTRIBUTED WITH POTTER COUNTY HAVING SLIGHTLY MORE CASES.

RECOVERIES, AGAIN, IS ALMOST A FULL NUMBER, 33,735, DEATHS, 766, ACTIVE CASES RIGHT NOW IS 126.

OUR SEVEN-DAY ROLLING. THERE IT IS AGAIN, OUR SEVEN-DAY ROLLING POSITIVITY RATE IS ONE PERCENT AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO THIS WITH CASEY GOING FORWARD.

CASEY IS NOT AVAILABLE TODAY.

SO THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT WE CAN ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON CORONAVIRUS RIGHT NOW.

SEVEN-DAY ROLLING POSITIVITY RATE IS ONE PERCENT.

FIVE-DAY NEW CASES, SIX NEW CASES PER DAY, DRIVE THROUGH TESTING POSITIVITY RATE IS ZERO WITH AN AVERAGE OF TWO TESTS PER DAY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TESTING VOLUME HAS GONE DOWN DRAMATICALLY PRECIPITOUSLY.

GA34, HOSPITALIZATION RATE IS 2.15 PERCENT.

ALL AREAS OF THE STATE ARE NOT AREAS OF HOSPITALIZATION AT THIS TIME.

DRIVE-THROUGH SCREENING AND TESTING INFORMATION.

YOU CAN CALL PUBLIC HEALTH 378-6300.

THE VACCINE CLINIC IS LOCATED CIVIC CENTER REGENCY ROOM MENTIONS NUMBER 4, THAT IS THE NORTHEAST MOST ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY ON JOHNSON.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW MAYOR.

ASIDE FROM THE OUTREACH EVENTS I'VE GOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE JUNE 23 AT OWENS CORNING TRYING TO GRAB HIGH EMPLOYER LOCATIONS.

JUNE 30TH, HIGH NOON ON THE SQUARE, JULY 1ST AT ASARCO, AND THEN THROUGH JULY WE'VE GOT BELL HELICOPTER DOWNTOWN WOMEN'S CENTER, NORTH BRANCH LIBRARY WITH WIC, HIGH NOON ON THE SQUARE, ASARCO AGAIN.

THEN AUGUST, WE'RE GOING TO HIT IN DOWNTOWN WOMEN'S CENTER THROUGH A CITY NORTHWEST BRANCH OF THE LIBRARY.

>> IT'S GREAT. I NOTICED THAT THEY WERE AT THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION AT THE BONES HOOKS PARK ON SATURDAY.

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COUNSEL DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT DATA AND THEN I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY HAS QUESTION WILL GO TO HIM ONCE WE CLEAR THAT OUT.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR?

>> THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE GOT IS SOME POINT IN TIME WE GO FROM YELLOW TO BLUE OR WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

>> WE'VE NOT DONE THAT YET.

WE WILL BE REVIEWING THAT.

WE ARE REVIEWING THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS RIGHT NOW.

[NOISE] WE'LL BE REVIEWING THAT CONTINUOUSLY AS WE GO FORWARD.

THE TRIGGER FOR THAT IS GOING TO BE WHEN WE HAVE REACHED A POINT OF HERD IMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO TO THAT LOWEST LEVEL, WHICH IS GOING TO MEAN THAT WE STILL HAVE THIS.

IT'S STILL A CHALLENGE.

THERE ARE VARIANTS THAT ARE GOING AROUND NOW THAT ARE HITTING UNDER VACCINATED AREAS MUCH HARDER THAN THOSE THAT HAD BEEN VACCINATED AS MUCH AS SAY, AMARILLO, OR OTHERS THAT ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL?

>> BEFORE WE JUMP TO QUESTIONS, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THING WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED FINAL GUIDANCE ON ARP, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN PROTOCOLS GUIDELINES.

WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER INTERIM FINAL GUIDELINES, WHICH IS AN OXYMORON I KNOW.

WE ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE THOSE FINAL GUIDELINES IN MID JULY.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD USING THE INTERIM FINAL GUIDELINES TO START PREPARING OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT MEET THEIR CRITERIA LAID OUT IN THE INTERIM FINAL GUIDELINES FOR ALLOCATION OF OUR FUNDS.

WE WILL BRING THAT TO COUNCIL AND UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING, TAKE GUIDANCE AND PUT TOGETHER SOME FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON COUNCIL INPUT.

WE WILL ALSO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO MODIFY THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON THE FINAL GUIDANCE WHEN WE DO RECEIVE THE FINAL GUIDANCE.

THAT WAY, WE'RE AT LEAST AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND HAVE PLANS IN PLACE FOR ONCE THOSE FINAL GUIDELINES COME OUT.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS I HAVEN'T ANSWERED ON ARP?

>> IS THERE ANY QUESTION ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] ARP.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND LETTING US TO STAY WITH THAT.

NORMALLY, WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON HERE FOR COMMENTS, SO WE TRY TO JUST DO PUBLIC ADDRESS AND NOT GET OFF TRACK AND THEN GO TO THAT AGENDA ITEM AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS OR HAVE DISCUSSION THERE.

THANK FOR LETTING US STAY WITH THAT MODE.

I SEE MR. FORD IS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

>> JARED YOU PROBABLY CAN HELP ME WITH THIS.

MINE WAS MORE FOR A NEED, THE LAST COUNCIL SESSION WE HAD ASKED WHERE THE INFORMED CONSENT.

WAS THAT EVER PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IN A CERTAIN WAY? I DIDN'T GET A COPY.

I WAS LOOKING FOR THE MINOR AND THEN I WAS LOOKING FOR THE ADULT.

>> WE DO THE EXACT SAME INFORMED CONSENT FOR CORONA VIRUS VACCINATIONS THAT WE DO FOR EVERY OTHER VACCINATION THAT WE DO AT THE PUBLIC HEALTH FACILITY.

>> OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK MR. FORD, DID YOU HAVE AN INFORMED CONSENT FORM THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU FROM THE CITY OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE-

>> I CALLED AND THEY WERE VERY KIND TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION, THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE RECIPIENTS OF THE OF THE BIOLOGICS.

THERE ARE THREE PACKAGES; THERE WAS THE MADONNA, THE PFIZER AND THE JOHNSON & JOHNSON.

I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY ONE OF THEM IS NOT UP TO DATE.

I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS A DECEMBER 20TH VERSION OF THE PACKAGE AND THE CDC NOW HAS A MARCH 26TH VERSION OF THE PACKAGE.

I INFORMED THEM.

THERE WAS VERY NICE PEOPLE, VERY PROFESSIONAL.

THEY WERE VERY KIND TO SHARE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I REQUESTED AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEMS GETTING INFORMATION I REQUESTED.

THESE ARE NOT SIMPLE PACKAGES TO DIGEST.

THERE'S A REGISTRATION FORM, THERE'S A V SAFE INFORMATION, AND THERE'S ALSO THE FACT SHEET THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT AND FOR A PERSON JUST TO BE HANDED THAT AND ASSUME THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE PROPER INFORMATION, AND THEY'VE BEEN PROPERLY INFORMED OF ALL THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE INTERVENTIONS, IS PROBABLY ASSUMING A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF PEOPLE ARE WONDERING ABOUT IT, WHY NOT PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE? IT'S A SIMPLE THING.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN SEARCH, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING A SEARCHABLE VERSION OF THAT ON THE WEBSITE, AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY GET SOME INFORMED CONSENT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S MISSING A WHOLE SIDE OF THE SEVEREST EFFECTS THAT AREN'T EVEN MENTIONED ON THERE.

>> THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I KNOW CASEY IS OUT OF TOWN.

>> SHE IS BUT THE CONSENT INFORMATION THAT WE USE SPECIFIC TO THE CORONA VIRUS VACCINATIONS ARE WHAT HAS COME OUT OF THE EXPERT VACCINE ALLOCATION PANEL, WHAT HAS ALSO BEEN PROMULGATED BY CDC,

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WE ARE USING BEST-PRACTICE WITH REGARD TO INFORMED CONSENT AS IT RELATES TO CORONA VIRUS

>> JUST AS A POINT OF DISCUSSION, THOSE ARE FACTS SHEETS, AND THOSE ARE NOT INFORMED CONSENT PACKAGES.

>> I THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO DISPUTE.

IS IT ENOUGH, IS IT TOO MUCH? BUT WE'RE USING THE BEST PRACTICE.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE EUA OR THE DIRECTIONS TO HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONERS AND WHAT IT SAYS, IS YOU MUST INCLUDE THESE LISTS OF ADVERSE EFFECTS, DEATH OF WHICH IS ONE OF THEM, AND THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE IN THERE.

SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND CONTRAST WITH THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GETTING FROM HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONERS WITH THE FDA AND THE CDC PUTS OUT AND YOU'RE NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT.

>> IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN JUST GET AN UPDATE FROM CASEY ON?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. FORD. WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, SARAH.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> NO, I JUST KNOW THAT I WANTED THE INFORMED CONSENT FOR MYSELF TO READ, SO I'D STILL LIKE TO GET THOSE AND THEN ANY OTHER DATA THAT WE HAVE ON HOW WE CAME ABOUT THAT.

SOME OF THE STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JARED, I'D LIKE TO BE EDUCATED SO THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE MR. FORD WHO'S HIGHLY EDUCATED AND KNOWS WHERE HE'S READING FROM, THAT I'M INFORMED ON MY SIDE AS WELL.

BUT THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME LET ME HAVE HIM COME BACK UP HERE AND EDUCATE ME A LITTLE MORE.

>> WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL AT THE NEXT MEETING FROM CASEY.

>> OKAY.

>> REALLY, IF YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL TO US AHEAD OF TIME, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY BE GREAT.

>> WELL, YOU MEANT FROM ME?

>> I MEANT TO JARED, YEAH. YEAH. IF JARED COULD GET CASEY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND GET AN EMAIL TO COUNSEL SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATE INFORMATION FOR ANY CITIZENS THAT ASK US, THEN WE WON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL OUR NEXT MEETING.

>> SOUNDS GOOD, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FORD.

>> OKAY. ITEM 1C IS AN UPDATE ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. MR. CITY MANAGER.

[1.C. Update on Parks Master Plan;]

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT MICHAEL KASHUBA ALONG WITH OUR CONSULTANTS FROM MIG CONSULTING.

MICHAEL? MICHAEL DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, SORRY.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, TODAY WE GET TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR JUST AROUND 18 MONTHS.

WE'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR CONSULTANT, CINDY MENDOZA WITH MIG, AND ALSO OUR PARK BOARD CHAIR, MR. JOHN ANDERSON.

WITH THAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TURN IT OVER TO MS. CINDY MENDOZA AND SHE'LL WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WELCOME, CINDY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S MY HONOR TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.

AS THEY PULL UP THE PRESENTATION FOR US, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, IT WAS MY HOPE AND EVERYONE'S HOPE THAT I WOULD BE HERE TO PRESENT A DRAFT PLAN TO YOU TODAY.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE WE INITIATED THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

COVID WASN'T EVEN LOOMING ON THE HORIZON WHEN WE INITIATED THINGS, AND SO WE HAVE PIVOTED THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT SUCCESSFULLY RESPONDS TO CURRENT CONDITIONS AND ALSO LOOKS FORWARD INTO THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE MASTER PLAN, WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PLANNING PROCESS, AS WELL AS THE NEW INVESTMENT STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING IN WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STAFF AS WELL AS OUR PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL.

WITH THAT IN MIND, AS YOU SEE FROM THE GRAPHIC HERE, WE ARE IN PHASE 4 OF A 4-PHASE PLANNING PROCESS.

IT IS THE INTENT AT THIS POINT TO DEVELOP AN ACTION PLAN THAT WILL GUIDE THE SPECIFIC MOVES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT IN THE PARK SYSTEM MOVING FORWARD.

AS PART OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE BROUGHT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU PREVIOUSLY, WE INCLUDED AN EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANNING IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, INCLUDING OVER 2,400 PARTICIPANTS THAT ARE RESIDENTS, STAKEHOLDERS, AND EVEN BOARD MEMBERS AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE WEIGHING IN ON TOP PRIORITIES.

AS YOU SEE HERE, WHAT THEY WERE TELLING US EVEN PRE-COVID AND INTO THE FIRST PHASES OF COVID, IS THAT MAINTAINING AND REPAIRING EXISTING ASSETS WAS CRITICAL TO THEM, AS WELL AS ADDING MORE AND A GREATER VARIETY OF RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, AND INDEED EVEN BUILDING MORE PALACE AND TRAILS.

AS PART OF THAT THOUGH, WE ALSO CROSS-CHECK THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE RECEIVING FROM RESIDENTS WITH A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM AND WE CHECKED IN WITH YOU THERE.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS GRAPHIC.

THIS WAS ONE TYPE OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE CONDUCTED WHERE WE LOOKED AT PARK AND RECREATION NEEDS AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF PARKS ACROSS THE CITY.

RECOGNIZING THAT WHILE RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO INVEST IN CURRENT ASSETS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT, WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS YOU IS THAT THE AREAS IN THE BLUE RECTANGLES ARE GOING TO BE NEW DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT ARE IN NEED OF NEW PARKLAND REGARDLESS.

THE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE,

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MAY HAVE A SCHOOL PARK IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT HOW BEST TO USE THOSE JOINT USE ARRANGEMENTS OR HAVE OTHER UNDERLYING NEEDS THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DRIVE THE MILE TO A NEARBY PARK, WHICH IS MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THE NATIONAL STANDARD FOR TRAVELED DISTANCE, WHICH IS ASSUMED TO BE A 10 MINUTE WALK OR A HALF-MILE.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS, AS A REMINDER, IS THAT WE ARE FACING THE ASSET MANAGEMENT CLIFF.

A SEPARATE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MAINTENANCE NEEDS.

THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE NEEDS FOR ROUTINE AND PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, THE DAY-TO-DAY MAINTENANCE THAT HAPPENS IN THE PARK SYSTEM.

THIS WAS MORE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE LONG-TERM REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF ASSETS, RECOGNIZING THAT THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY UNDER FUNDED.

THEN EVEN FURTHER TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE BEAUTIFY IN GREEN THE PARK SYSTEM.

WELL, THE INFORMATION I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY, IS NOT JUST WHAT WAS DONE IN THE 2019 ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME UPDATED NUMBERS WITH YOU SO YOU CAN SEE HOW DRASTICALLY THE SITUATION HAS CHANGED IN JUST A TWO-YEAR PERIOD BASED ON THE LACK OF INVESTMENT IN PARKS, AMENITIES, AND FACILITIES GOING FORWARD.

A LOT OF THE ASSETS THAT WERE IN A MEDIUM RISK CATEGORY, ARE NOW MOVING TO A HIGHER RISK CATEGORY, AND THESE CALCULATIONS ARE ACTUALLY BASED ON A SPREADSHEET FROM THE 2019 ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH MEANS THEY DO NOT FACTOR IN THE CURRENT CRISIS IN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE COST OF MATERIALS THAT WE ARE SEEING NATIONWIDE, THAT PARKS AND RECREATION AGENCIES ARE FACING A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF BRINGING PROJECTS IN ON BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS INCREASED COSTS NATIONWIDE.

THAT IS A REAL CONSIDERATION THAT IS NOT REFLECTED IN THOSE NUMBERS.

>> REAL QUICK. THE CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL HIGH-RISK TO THE INCREASED HIGH-RISK, THAT'S IN AN 18 MONTH PERIOD OF TIME OR IS IT EVEN LESS THAN THAT?

>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AFTER COMPLETION OF THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, SO THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS.

THOSE WERE JUST ITEMS THAT WERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIUM-RISK, THERE WAS A LARGE NUMBER OF ITEMS IN LOW TO MEDIUM RISK, AND BASICALLY THEY'VE SHIFTED UP A CATEGORY, SO THEY'VE GONE FROM LOW TO MEDIUM AND MEDIUM TO HIGH.

>> THAT'S JUST IN A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT THIS PLANNING PROCESS HAS BEEN THE FACT THAT, COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE VERY AWARE AND INSIGHTFUL OF THE CHALLENGES FACED IN THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM.

AS OUR BOARD MEMBERS, THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL HAS NOT BEEN AWARE OF THE EXTENSIVENESS OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE FACED BY THE PARK SYSTEM.

WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN, THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED IS THAT WE SHOULD INCORPORATE THAT ANALYSIS INTO AN UPDATE OF THE COMMUNITY'S VISION, GOALS, VALUES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, AS WELL AS OBJECTIVES.

THE SENSE WAS THAT IN REPLACING AND UPDATING THE OLD PLAN THAT WAS CREATED YEARS AGO, WE REALLY NEEDED TO DEVELOP CONSENSUS AROUND WHERE WE WERE GOING, THAT SENSE OF DIRECTION, THAT SENSE OF VISION, AND THAT WEIGHED A LITTLE BIT MORE HEAVILY THAN THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE STEP-BY-STEP ACTION PLAN.

BUT AS WE MENTIONED, THINGS HAVE CHANGED AS WE CONTINUE TO UPDATE INFORMATION.

WE DID IDENTIFY A NEW MISSION FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, NEW VISION AND GOALS FOR THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM PROVIDING THE VISION PLAN ASPECT THAT WAS REQUESTED.

WE ALSO IN DETAIL IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF OBJECTIVES AND ACTION ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH IMPLEMENTING EACH OF THOSE GOALS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WORKED WITH THE BEAUTIFICATION IN PUBLIC ARTS ADVISORY BOARD TO CREATE A NEW PUBLIC ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION PLAN.

TO IDENTIFY A VISION FOR ARTS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO TO IDENTIFY THE STEPS NEEDED TO BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT THAT VISION AND THOSE GOALS.

[NOISE] BEYOND THAT, WE ALSO WORKED WITH THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND TRANSPORTATION IN PARTICULAR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A NEW TRAILS VISION AND CONCEPT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

ALL OF THESE REALLY REFLECT THAT LONG RANGE VISION OF WHERE THE PARK AND REC SYSTEM, AS WELL AS THE CITY IN GENERAL WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE.

[NOISE] THEN THINGS WERE SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE AS THE CITY UPDATED IT'S PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS.

WE STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STANDARDS THAT NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

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DO WE REALLY WANT DEVELOPERS TO BE PROVIDING THESE FULLY LOADED, WELL-DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS LIKE WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IF WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEM.

THEN STARTED A CONVERSATION WHERE WE BEGAN CHECKING IN REGULARLY WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD AND MEETING WITH THEM TO START TO TALK THROUGH THIS MASTER PLAN AND WHAT WE WANTED TO ACHIEVE IN THIS MASTER PLAN.

THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THEM AT THIS POINT IS, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS MORE.

LET'S SLOW THE PLANNING PROCESS DOWN.

LET'S PUT THINGS ON HOLD TEMPORARILY, SO WE CAN START TO SEE WHETHER THIS LONG RANGE VISION AND GOALS IS GOING TO HELP GET US WHERE WE NEED TO BE OR WHETHER WE NEED TO PIVOT THINGS HERE SLIGHTLY TO FOCUS MORE ON THE ACTION PLANNING AND INVESTMENT NEEDED.

BECAUSE THE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD IS WE NEED A VERY STRONG INVESTMENT STRATEGY IN THIS PLAN TO CARRY US FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THE GOAL IS TO GET US THROUGH THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WHICH MAY BE LEAN, BUT REFLECTING THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN THE INTENT OF HELPING PARKS AND REC FUNDING REBOUND TO BE ABLE TO REINVEST IN THAT PARK SYSTEM.

WHAT THAT MEANT IS WE PIVOTED AND CAME UP WITH A NEW INVESTMENT STRATEGY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON TRACK AT THIS POINT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.

EARLY ON THERE WAS A CONVERSATION THAT AS OUR ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS MENTIONED, WE COULD EITHER INCREASE FUNDING OR DECREASE OUR SERVICES.

IT WAS AN EITHER AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT THESE LEVELS OF INVESTMENT, RECOGNIZING THAT THE HIGH LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, THE EXTREME INCREASE IN FUNDING, REALLY WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S NOT REALISTIC AT THIS POINT OR EVEN THROUGH THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT LOW LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, THAT'S REALISTIC, BUT HONESTLY IS NOT DESIRED, ISN'T WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE ENGAGEMENT RESULTS.

IT'S NOT WHERE THROUGH OUR PROFESSIONAL WORK WITH COMMUNITIES AND CITIES ACROSS THE NATION, WE WOULD ADVISE YOU TO GO.

BECAUSE WHAT THAT MEANS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IN THE DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS, YOU ONLY REQUIRED THE BASIC GREEN SPACE WITH NO AMENITIES AND FACILITIES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEM.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE SENDING THE CITY DOWN A PATH OF DECREASING ITS LEVEL OF SERVICE GOING FORWARD.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS CREATED THIS POINT IN TIME, A PATH WHERE YOU ARE ABLE TO TOE THE LINE AND THEN INCREASE YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EQUIPPING YOU WITH THE RIGHT STRATEGIES AND TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY THAT FORWARD.

TO DO THAT, WE THINK THE LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU NEED TO PROVIDE IS SOMEWHERE IN THAT MEDIUM TO LOW RANGE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME LEVEL OF INVESTMENT TO KEEP A MEDIUM LEVEL OF SERVICE.

BUT IT ALSO THEN REFLECTS THE FACT THAT IT WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS A HIGHER LEVEL OF INVESTMENT LATER.

>> MICHAEL, I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT THERE.

CINDY, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING BACK.

DO YOU HAVE DOLLAR NUMBERS? I SEE THE COLORS IN THE BLOCKS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM A COUNCIL'S POINT OF VIEW.

WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING, WHAT DOLLAR LEVELS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TO BE MEDIUM, LOW?

>> WELL, I THINK IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HIGHER RANGE, SO THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY FIXING EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT.

YOU'RE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, PUT IT BETWEEN 3.1 AND 3.7 MILLION ANNUALLY.

THAT WOULD BE TO FIX EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY GOT WITHOUT ADDING STUFF TO THE SYSTEM.

THAT WOULD BE FIXING RESTROOMS AND TRASH CANS AND ALL THE FACILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

THAT'S THE 3.1-3.7 TO FIX WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AGAIN, THAT'S WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONS TO THE SYSTEM.

IF A NEW PARKLAND CAME ON, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST FOR THAT.

>> OKAY, SO LET ME ASK THIS.

WHENEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT BECAUSE I DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME BIG TICKET ITEMS. HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE LIGHTING THAT'S SO DESPERATELY NEEDED AT THE PARKS, WHICH IS A $10 MILLION, NEED ARE REALLY BAD $10 MILLION NEED TO PUT THOSE PARKS BACK TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS AND SOFTBALL TOURNAMENTS AND THAT THING BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE THREE YEARS OF UPGRADES.

HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS 3.7 MILLION A YEAR TO UPGRADE?

>> I'VE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT FITS INTO WHY YOU NEED A LARGER INVESTMENT STRATEGY.

INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, DO WE REPLACE LIGHTING? DO WE REPLACE PLAYGROUNDS? PART OF THAT INVESTMENT STRATEGIES DICTATED BY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE CITIES MAKE MONEY ON PARKS AND RECREATION AND WHERE YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY.

THE SLIDE HERE SHOWS THE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY

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IN OTHER WORDS, THESE THINGS ARE YOUR CORE SERVICES AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO SUBSIDIZE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY.

PARK MAINTENANCE, THE SUPPORTED PLAYGROUNDS, NEIGHBORHOOD GREEN SPACE, PROVIDING GENERAL COMMUNITY EVENTS.

SPECIALIZED EVENTS MAY MAKE MONEY, BUT THE GENERAL COMMUNITY, EVENTS THAT ARE FREE TO EVERYONE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY AND FOSTER THAT STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY, TYPICALLY ARE NOT THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT MAKE MONEY.

IN GENERAL, ANYTHING THAT HAS A BROAD PUBLIC SUPPORT OR A PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO BE READY TO INVEST IN.

BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY SHOULD BE MAKING MONEY AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING COMES IN.

THE REASON FOR INVESTING IN THESE THINGS IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT HAS A BROAD BENEFIT.

I COME FROM A SPORTS BACKGROUND, I WILL TELL YOU SPORTS BENEFITS EVERYONE, BUT NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH THAT.

WITH THAT IN MIND, THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE A MORE INDIVIDUALIZED BENEFIT.

BALLET CLASSES CAN BE THAT WAY, FOR EXAMPLE.

SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT HAVE A HIGHER ENRICHMENT VALUE OR HIGHER ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ARE THE PLACES WHERE PARKS DEPARTMENTS ARE GENERALLY MAKING MONEY.

THE IDEA IS THAT YOU ARE INVESTING THOSE, BUT CHANGING YOUR MANAGEMENT STRATEGY SO THAT YOU HAVE A HIGHER RETURN ON INVESTMENT THERE.

THINGS SUCH AS YOUR SPECIALIZED FACILITIES THEY SHOULD BE MAKING YOU MONEY.

ARTS AND CULTURAL EVENTS THAT ARE MORE INDIVIDUALIZE, THEY SHOULD BE MAKING MONEY.

ANY TYPE OF FACILITY RENTALS THERE YOU SHOULD BE MAKING MONEY.

WHAT'S UNDERLYING THAT IS A COST RECOVERY IMPLICATION THAT SAYS THAT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ARE RECOVERED AT AT LEAST A 100 PERCENT IF NOT MORE.

THAT MEANS YOUR MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE COVERED, YOUR STAFFING COST, YOUR EQUIPMENT COST, [NOISE] ANY LABOR INVOLVED.

THE PIECE THAT SOME CITIES FORGET IS THERE SHOULD BE AN ADDED FACILITY REPLACEMENT FEE, THAT IT IS BUILT IN SO THAT YOUR GENERATING MONEY FOR THE WEAR AND TEAR OF YOUR FACILITIES.

THEN BEYOND THAT, IF MANAGED HIGHLY EFFECTIVELY, YOUR INTENT IS TO GENERATE REVENUES THEN TO PUT BACK INTO SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN SHOULD WE INVEST MORE MONEY OR SHOULD WE CUT SERVICES? IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE, BUT IT HAS TO BE REALLY STRATEGIC IN WHERE YOU'RE INVESTING.

INVEST IN YOUR CORE SERVICES, INCREASE FEES AND REVENUES WHEREVER POSSIBLE, REDUCE SERVICES AND KEY AREAS THAT YOU CAN'T CONTINUE THE MAIN THINGS BASED ON THEIR CURRENT COSTS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE HERE MOMENTARILY.

REDUCE THINGS LIKE SUBSIDIES.

A POOL, FOR EXAMPLE, IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING YOU SUBSIDIZE.

POOLS ARE HIGH COST OPERATING ITEMS, BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE A BROADER COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

BUT MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH DECK SPACE THAT YOU HAVE RENTAL CABANAS, THAT YOU ARE DOING CONCESSIONS IN RENTAL POOL EQUIPMENT TO TRY TO REDUCE SAY SUBSIDY AND MAKE BUNNY TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE IS ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER.

THE HARDER ONE TO UNDERSTAND IS THE DESIRE THAT MANY CITIES HAVE TO BRING IN MONEY BY GETTING INTO THESE LARGER ECONOMIC IMPACT PROJECTS, WE CALL THEM.

ECONOMIC IMPACT PROJECTS ARE GREAT.

THEY BRING IN REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALSO STRUCTURED IN A WAY TO BRING IN REVENUE FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE FACILITIES.

AN EXAMPLE I HAVE FOR YOU, THERE'S SPARKS NEVADA ADJACENT TO RENO.

WE WORKED WITH THEM EXTENSIVELY FOR A WHILE.

THEY HAVE THE SINGLE LARGEST ARTIFICIAL TURF INSTALLATION SPORTS FIELD COMPLEX IN THE NATION.

IN ADDITION TO THAT RAN A VARIETY OF THEIR EVENTS AND PROGRAMS FOR THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS.

BUT WHAT THEY DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IS THAT THEIR PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF, WE'RE ALL WORKING OVERTIME ON THE SETUP AND TAKE DOWN FOR THESE EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS LOSING MONEY, PLUS THERE WAS NO FEES BUILT-IN FOR ASSET MANAGEMENT.

THEY WERE RUNNING THEIR FACILITIES INTO THE GROUND BY THESE HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL EVENTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE CITY.

MORE THAN THAT, THEY WERE RUNNING INTO THE SITUATION WHERE IT WASN'T FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE.

THE HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS WERE GETTING MONEY.

BUT THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENTS WEREN'T ENOUGH THAT THE CITY THEN EVEN HAD MONEY TO REIMBURSE THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

THERE WAS TRADE OFFS, BUT THERE WASN'T A LONG-TERM SUFFICIENT STRATEGY.

MAKING SURE THAT ANYTIME THERE'S THIS GRAND IDEA TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO TOWN FOR TOURNAMENTS OR EVENTS THAT IS MANAGED IN A WAY THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT YOUR ASSETS LONG TERM.

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WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WE HAVE CREATED THIS INVESTMENT STRATEGY THAT LOOKS AT BIPARTITE.

THE PERCENTAGE OF COST RECOVERY SHOULD BE MADE AT DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKS.

WE STARTED TO CLASSIFY YOUR PARKS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, RECOGNIZING THAT YOU GOT SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS THAT REALLY ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLOSE TO HOME RECREATION.

CORE SERVICES, YOU'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE.

SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS MAY HAVE SOME PROGRAMMING CAPACITY, BUT THOSE LARGER ONES STILL NOT GOING TO BE GENERATING A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT THE NOTION IS IN YOUR COMMUNITY PARKS AND REGIONAL PARKS, THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO RAMP UP THAT INVESTMENT TO MAKE SURE CURRENTLY YOU ARE INVESTING IN PLACES THAT WE'RE GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE.

TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO PLAYGROUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE.

CURRENTLY NOW SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING IS THE PLACE TO GO, MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE GETTING YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TAPPING BACK THE BRAKES ON NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS A LITTLE BIT AND STREAMLINING THOSE BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T GOING TO MAKE YOU MONEY.

LET'S DIG US OUT OF THE HOLE THAT WE'RE IN CURRENTLY, AND THEN GO BACK TO PROVIDING A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SUBSIDIZED.

THIS INVESTMENT STRATEGY LOOKED AT THE WAY THAT FUNDS ARE SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY, SO MAKING SURE THAT FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT, WE ARE INVESTING IN THE RIGHT PLACES AND THE RIGHT LOCATIONS AND NOT PUTTING ALL THE MONEY INTO PARKS THAT ARE ALL LOCATED IN THE SAME PART OF THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE.

WE STARTED TO CREATE THIS PRELIMINARY ACTION PLAN, AND I APOLOGIZE IF SOME OF THESE SLIDES AREN'T READING.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP ON THE SCREEN HERE.

IN THIS ACTION PLAN HERE, WE ALL REALIZE THAT THAT VISION CONCEPT WASN'T TAKING US WHERE WE WANTED TO GO.

PARKS AND REC BOARD DIRECTION, WE TOOK THAT ONE OFF.

WE STARTED TO FIGURE OUT AGAIN, WHERE IS THAT MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THIS MID-LEVEL BUSINESS-STYLE APPROACH AND THE EXTREME SERVICE REDUCTION RECOGNIZING THAT WE NEED TO DO BOTH; RAMP UP REVENUES AND DECREASE SERVICES.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE NEW FOCUS REALLY NEEDS TO BE ON THAT RETURN IN INVESTMENT.

INVEST IN THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BRING YOU BACK MONEY IN THE SHORT TERM TO REINVEST IN THE SYSTEM.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR AN ACTION PLAN? THERE'S A FEW ITEMS NOTED HERE, SUCH AS IN INVESTING, AS WE JUST SAID, AND THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO MAKE YOU MONEY.

BUT I THINK THE CLARIFICATION THERE IS MONEY FOR THE CITY AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT IT TO LINE THE POCKETS OF PARTNERS OR WHILE WE WANT TO INVEST IN HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ECONOMIC IMPACTS, AGAIN, ARE ADDED BENEFIT, BUT WHILE YOU NEED TO BE TAKING CARE OF YOUR OWN ASSETS.

PART OF IT MAY BE IDENTIFYING PARTNERS, JUST STEP UP, SUPPORT IN THE SHORT-TERM, RECOGNIZING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE IN THE PAST TO DO THINGS SUCH AS PROVIDE A ZOO THAT TYPICALLY AREN'T CORE SERVICES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AGENCIES.

WHEN YOU HAVE A FUNDING, A ZOO IS A FABULOUS RESOURCE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE FUNDING, IT FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY OF THOSE LARGER SPECIALIZED FACILITIES THAT EITHER NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RAMP UP THE REVENUE SO THEY OPERATE ON A BREAKEVEN BASIS OR EVEN BRING IN PARTNER GROUPS WHO HAVE A NEED TO KEEP THE ZOO OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.

INVOLVE THEM TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

THEN STARTING TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE REDUCE AND REMOVE SUBSIDIES.

MR. KASHUBA IS ALREADY LOOKING AT HOW TO CONTRACT OUT SERVICES FOR MAINTENANCE IN PLACES WHERE THAT WILL STREAMLINE COSTS.

THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE GOLF COURSES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO REALLY RAMP UP REVENUES THERE.

YOU'VE SEEN THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE AT THE GOLF COURSES AND SPECIALLY WITH A INCREASE PLAY THROUGH COVID.

IT'S REALLY FOCUSING ON THOSE MONEY-MAKING STRATEGIES NOW.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS COORDINATING WITH SOME OTHERS TO DO PART OF THAT LIFTING ON TRAILS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH ARE IN HIGH COMMUNITY DEMAND.

LOOKING AT REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS THERE AS WELL, IS THAT TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND HOW DO YOU STREAK RIGHTS OF WAYS TO SUPPORT THE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY THAT'S DESIRED? EVEN WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC ARTS, THERE'S LARGE CONVERSATIONS AROUND HOW DO WE ALIGN A LOT OF DIFFERENT INTERESTS IN ARTS IN AMARILLO TO REALLY GET THIS PUBLIC ARTS PROGRAM OFF THE GROUND.

BUT THEN ALSO PRIORITIZING FUNDING FOR ASSET MANAGEMENT, AS WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT MOMENTS AGO, AND SCALING BACK TEMPORARILY THINGS LIKE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WHERE WE JUST

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THAT'S A SENSITIVE POINT FOR MANY.

I WANT TO WALK OUT OF HERE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS SHOULD INCLUDE, LOOK LIKE TO STILL PROVIDE THE DESIRED BENEFITS FOR RESIDENTS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK MAY BE SMALLER OR LESSER DEVELOPED, TYPICALLY ISN'T GOING TO HAVE RESTROOMS BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS ARE SERVING NEARBY NEIGHBORS.

THE THOUGHT IS THEY CAN GO HOME TO USE THE RESTROOMS THERE.

BUT MORE THAN THAT, IT RECOGNIZES THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES, BUT PEOPLE WANT THE BELLS AND WHISTLES.

SO WE STARTED LOOKING STRATEGICALLY ABOUT HOW DO WE SPACE ACROSS THE SYSTEM THOSE PARKS THAT HAVE MORE OF AN ACTIVE RECREATION FOCUS TO SUPPORT HEALTH AND FITNESS.

BUT INSTEAD OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, WE CALL THOSE A WELLNESS HOOD PARK.

HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THOSE PLACES WHERE STRONGER CONTACT WITH NATURE IS DESIRED? FINDING WAYS TO CONNECT PEOPLE THROUGH COMMUNITY GARDENING, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IMPORTANT, SO CREATING SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.

THEN EVEN IN AREAS WITH UNIQUE CULTURAL DIVERSITY OR HIGH INTEREST IN ARTS OR AMARILLO'S HERITAGE AND HISTORY, HOW CAN WE CREATE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS THAT EMPHASIZE THOSE ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY'S DIVERSITY AND HERITAGE.

WE CALL THOSE HERITAGE HOOD PARKS.

WHILE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK MAY NOT END UP WITH EVERYTHING IN IT THAT IT HAD IN THE PAST AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND BEGIN TO REPLACE THE ASSETS THAT ARE THERE OR CLOSE SOME THINGS DOWN BUT IT'LL STILL ACROSS THE CITY GIVE YOU A DIVERSITY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET COMMUNITY NEEDS.

THOSE ARE THE STRATEGIC WAYS.

WE HAVE JUST BEEN ENTIRELY RETHINKING THE INVESTMENT STRATEGY HERE.

WE WANTED TO CHECK IN WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS APPROACH SEEMS SOUND TO YOU ALL TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH THEM.

AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THAT MANY IN THE PUBLIC ARE GOING TO BE SURPRISED THAT PARKS ARE IN THESE DIRE STREETS.

THEY WILL WANT TO SUPPORT PARKS.

WE ARE ALREADY HEARING FROM FOLKS WHO DEFINITELY WANT TO ENSURE A STRONG PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM MOVING FORWARD.

WITH THAT FEEDBACK, WITH YOUR GUIDANCE, WITH THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK, WE'LL THEN REFINE THAT ACTION PLAN AND WRAP UP THE PLAN HERE TO PROVIDE THE 10-YEAR GUIDANCE FOR YOU WHILE MOVING FORWARD.

>> COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR CINDY ABOUT THIS?

>> CINDY, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT OUR NEXT STEPS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE FOR YOU ALL TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT AND THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH WHATEVER THE INPUT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS?

>> WE WOULD. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT COUNCIL DESIRES TO HAVE A PLAN WRAPPED UP RELATIVELY QUICKLY AT THIS POINT.

OUR THOUGHT IS THAT YOUR GUIDANCE TODAY PLUS THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN EARLY JULY, WOULD GO STRAIGHT INTO A DRAFT PARK AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.

WE WOULD COME BACK AT THAT POINT WITH THE DRAFT PLAN BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW. THANK YOU.

>> WOULD THAT BE IN TIME FOR BUDGET, MICHAEL?

>> WELL, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET IT WRAPPED UP BEFORE LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER AND WE MIGHT MISS THE WINDOW IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR, BUT I THINK WE CAN TAKE A LOT OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT ARE IN THIS PLAN AND START TO APPLY THEM, SO WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE STRATEGIES.

WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIES THAT OUR CONSULTANT HAS OUTLINED AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO START IMPLEMENTING THOSE.

WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE STRATEGIES, SOME OF THOSE GOALS.

THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SOME REFINEMENT THROUGH COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT WE CAN ALREADY START TAKING SOME OF THE CURRENT STRATEGIES AND LOOKING AT HOW TO APPLY THOSE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SO CINDY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

[NOISE] DO YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SCHOOLS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SUPPORT ON THEIR PARKS AND FACILITIES?

>> MICHAEL, DO YOU WANT TO BRING HIM UP TO SPEED ON THAT?

>> YES. THE THE ONE SLIDE THAT WE SHOWED WITH OUR CURRENT ASSETS, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SCHOOL PARKS.

THERE'S A COMBINATION OF MULTIPLE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE.

SOME OF THE SCHOOL PARKS WE OWN PORTIONS OF, SOME OF THE SCHOOL PARKS WE DON'T OWN ANY PORTIONS OF AND WE JUST HAVE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.

WHAT WE DID WAS WE TRIED TO SEPARATE CITY OWNED FROM SCHOOL OWNED.

THE ASSET MANAGEMENT NUMBERS THAT WE SHOWED JUST REFLECTED THE CITY-OWNED PARCELS OR PIECES.

THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL NUMBERS THAT WOULD REFLECT THE SCHOOL PORTION OF THAT.

WE'VE GOT THAT BROKEN OUT, I'D BE HAPPY TO GET YOUR COPY OF THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE BOTH PIECES OF IT AND HOW THEY FIT TOGETHER.

>> YES, SIR. THAT'D BE GREAT. THEN [NOISE] I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BIG TICKET,

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IF YOU CAN SCHEDULE THOSE THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING RID OF THIS, WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT A BIG PRIORITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

OR AT LEAST WE HAVE A SCHEDULE OF VALUE WHERE WE CAN WORK BACKWARD FROM.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE IN PLACE OR IS THAT A TASK?

>> WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT.

WE'RE BREAKING DOWN THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT NEED BY THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN BY ATHLETICS, WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN BY GENERAL PARK MAINTENANCE, WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN BY POOLS, WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN BY [INAUDIBLE] BY THE ZOO, SO THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE IN BITE-SIZED PIECES AND LOOK AT WHAT THE INVESTMENT WOULD BE AND ALSO THE RISK FOR EACH OF THOSE ITEMS BECAUSE EACH ONE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT LIFE STAGES IN TERMS OF RISK.

NOW MOST OF THEM ARE IN THAT MEDIUM TO HIGH RISK, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO SMALLER, BITE-SIZED PIECES SO WE CAN EVALUATE THAT IN EACH STEP.

>> MR. CITY MANAGER, HAVE YOU AND MR. KASHUBA HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY TO GO OVER THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN? BECAUSE I THINK WHEN CINDY REFERENCED THE ASSET MANAGEMENT CLIFF, WE ARE CAREENING TOWARD THAT AND WE SEE IT EVEN IN WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY USEFUL INFORMATION AND SINCE COLE IS NEW, HE HASN'T SEEN THAT.

SO ALL OF THAT DATA THAT WE HAVE, HE DOESN'T HAVE AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE APPROACH ESPECIALLY BUDGET CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND AT WHAT LEVEL SHOULD WE BE FUNDING MAINTENANCE? WE ALL HAVE THAT, IN MY MIND, AT LEAST THE BOULDER IS AT THE TOP AND IT IS TILTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB YET.

YOU CAN ONLY SWALLOW SO MUCH.

[LAUGHTER] SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PRIORITIZE IT, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO GET THAT INFORMATION, GET THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN TO HIM SO HE CAN DIGEST THAT CONTENT AND HAVE THAT BACKGROUND.

>> WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.

>> THANK YOU. THEN JUST LAST QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT I'LL GET LATER, BUT DO WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE IN MANAGEMENT THE ABILITIES TO DO WHAT SHE'S RECOMMENDING [NOISE] IN THE WAY OF THE THINGS THAT PRODUCE INCOME? AT THE POOLS AND AT THE PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DO YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR THAT ALREADY?

>> IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE RE-EVALUATING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE STARTED TO DO IS LIKE WITH ATHLETICS, WE'VE STARTED TO BREAK OUT WHAT THE ATHLETIC MAINTENANCE COMPONENT IS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE HISTORICALLY HAVEN'T TRACKED.

WITHIN PARK MAINTENANCE, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER COSTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HELP WITH THE ZOO, THEY HELP WITH THE POOLS, THEY HELP WITH PARK MAINTENANCE, THEY HELP WITH ALL OF THOSE OTHER FACILITIES.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TAKING THOSE PIECES THAT PARK MAINTENANCE IS DOING AND BEING ABLE TO COMPARE IT TO THE REVENUES SO THAT WE GET A TRUE COST RECOVERY MODEL.

FROM THERE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ARE OUR FEES COVERING WHAT THE COSTS ARE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC ENTITIES? FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, ATHLETICS MAKES THIS MUCH REVENUE AND WE'VE GOT THIS MUCH COST AND PARK MAINTENANCE, WHAT IS OUR PERCENTAGE AND HOW DO WE MOVE IT CLOSER TO THAT 100 PERCENT COST RECOVERY.

WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE BUILDING BLOCKS WHERE WE CAN START TO BUILD OFF OF IT AND RE-EVALUATE OUR FEES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

>> WE DO TRACK MAINTENANCE COSTS.

BUT HERE TO FOUR, WE'D NOT REALLY BROKEN IT OUT BY PIECES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL FOR US TO IDENTIFY WHAT TYPES OF REVENUES WE NEED TO GENERATE BY FUNCTION TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE THE FUNDS, TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY MAINTAIN EACH FACILITY?

>> YES, SIR. THEN MORE IN THE LINE OF PROMOTION.

DO WE HAVE A STRUCTURE IN PLACE TO PROMOTE THOSE ITEMS? DO WE HAVE FIELDS THAT ARE SITTING WITH NOBODY ON THEM AND WE COULD BE LEASING THOSE OUT.

>> YES. STRATEGICALLY, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE'VE WORKED IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING OUR FIELDS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

WE'VE TRIED TO PROMOTE PROGRAMS DIFFERENTLY.

IN TERMS OF GOLF, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE GOLF TASK FORCE.

WE TOOK A LOT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PUT THOSE INTO PLACE.

AS A RESULT, YOU'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN TRAJECTORY WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF.

WE'VE SEEN INCREASED REVENUES, DECREASED EXPENSES AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BUSINESS IN TERMS OF COST RECOVERY MORE THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE WE MISSING THE MARK STILL.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE STILL NEED TO ADJUST, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION TO MAKE THOSE WISE STEWARDSHIP DECISIONS.

>> IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE COMMENT, IT'S THE NOTION THAT IN MANY PLACES WHEN YOU START TO TAKE THIS BUSINESS APPROACH, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SPORTS MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL COME IN AND MAKE THE PITCH THAT THEY CAN MANAGE SOMETHING BETTER OR MORE EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE OVERHEAD THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE.

HONESTLY, ONE THING TO BE AWARE OF THOUGH IS THAT THEY ARE REALLY GOOD AT MAKING MONEY FOR THEMSELVES FIRST AND FOREMOST.

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BE AWARE OF THAT AS A SHIFT COMES UNDERWAY, THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE PROTECTING YOUR ASSETS AND KEEPING CONTROL OF THE REVENUES SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP MAINTAINING FACILITIES FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE MONEY ON.

>> THANK YOU, CINDY. JOHN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? [OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY. GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL RUN IT IN BECAUSE I FULLY INTEND TO GET TO JOHN, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL AND WRAP UP WITH CINDY IF THAT'S OKAY.

GOT IT. OKAY. YES. CINDY, BACK TO YOU.

QUESTIONS FROM THE LEFT-HAND SIDE? OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> THE FIRST THING THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT IS SHIFTING AWAY FROM A LONG-TERM VIEW BECAUSE I'M AFRAID IF WE SHIFT AWAY FROM WHAT OUR GOAL IS 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND ALL WE FOCUS ON IS THIS LITTLE PIECE, SHORT-TERM, MID-TERM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK LONG-TERM FOR US.

SO I HOPE IN THIS WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO DROP OUR LONG-TERM VISION.

I WOULD TAKE THIS COUNCIL, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE HAS BEEN ABOUT A LONG WALK IN THE SAME DIRECTION AND WE NEED TO MAKE FOR SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DROPPING A LONG-TERM VISION PLAN FOR WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE NEED TO KNOW THE COST, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW WE COME ABOUT THOSE COSTS.

PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, WHERE DO THEY FIT INTO THIS? WHAT REVENUES WOULD NEED TO BE GENERATED? WHAT INPUT DO WE NEED TO PUT INTO AS A CITY? I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT THAT'S MISSING.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE WENT INTO THIS PLAN, AND I THINK CINDY TOUCHED ON IT, WAS WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT INITIALLY 75 PERCENT VERY FORWARD-LOOKING WITH 25 PERCENT ROOTED IN THE HERE AND NOW.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE PARK BOARD IS WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WE NEED TO ADDRESS HERE NOW.

WE NEED TO SHIFT THAT PERCENTAGE.

SO OF 75 PERCENT HERE AND NOW, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE LONG-TERM ASPIRATIONS.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE LOOKING FORWARD AT WHAT COULD WE BE IN 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS, BUT I THINK THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE ASSETS THAT ARE STARTING TO FAIL.

WE WANT TO ALWAYS BE LOOKING FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS CREATIVE WAYS TO GET THERE.

THERE'S ALWAYS CREATIVE WAYS TO COME UP AND FIND SOLUTIONS TO VISION.

I THINK THE PERFECT EXAMPLE WAS THE TRAILS THAT RECLINED.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, TRAILS WAS A PRIORITY.

WE WERE APPROACHED BY A GROUP, THEY MOVED THAT FORWARD.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE THOSE ASPIRATIONAL THINGS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE IT ROOTED IN THE HERE AND NOW.

THIS IS WHERE THE CHALLENGES ARE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE ASPIRATIONAL.

WE'VE JUST SHIFTED THOSE PERCENTAGES A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE'RE MORE BASED ON THE HERE AND NOW, BUT THERE STILL WILL BE ASPIRATIONAL COMPONENTS OF THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR FOUNDATION IS GOOD AND SOLID UNDERNEATH US.

>> WHERE DID THE FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS FIT INTO THIS? BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME, SAN JACINTO, NORTH HEIGHTS AND ACTUALLY NORTH HEIGHTS IS A BIG PROBLEM ON THAT MAP, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARK, SO HOW DO WE INCORPORATE USING OUR FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS INTO MAKING THIS ALSO WORK?

>> THAT WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF UPDATING THAT PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE.

THEY REALLY LOOKED AT THE FULL COST OF PROVIDING PARKLAND AND DEVELOPED AMENITIES AND FACILITIES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE DEVELOPING AREAS SO THAT THAT WILL BE A RESOURCE THAT INCREASES TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NEW PARKS ARE STILL GOING IN.

THEN, THERE WILL BE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN ABOUT THE SIMILAR DAY-TO-DAY ROUTINE MAINTENANCE DOLLARS INCREASES THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY THEN TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE AND SEEING WHERE THAT FUNDS COME FROM BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S A TRADE OFF, OR THAT FUNDS WILL PROBABLY DECREASE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN ORDER TO INCREASE TOWARDS THOSE NEW DEVELOPED PARKS.

>> JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION.

THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ASKED TO BE CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THE ZONING PLAN.

IT WOULDN'T BE THE STANDALONE IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, IT WOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ZONING.

>> I THINK TO DR. SARAH'S QUESTION THOUGH, AS WE GO FORWARD, OUR PARK SPACING ANALYSES ARE GOING TO IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO PUT PARKS WITH SIZE PARKS, THOSE NEED TO BE.

THIS IS GOING TO HELP INFORM THAT.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CREATE THE RESOURCES TO PLACE THE PARKS BUT IT IDENTIFIES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

PART OF THIS PROCESS WILL ALSO IDENTIFY WHAT MODIFICATIONS WE NEED TO MAKE TO OUR PARK INVENTORY, IF ANY.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME PARKS IN LOCATIONS WHERE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH WHERE WE WOULD PLACE A PARK, GIVEN WHERE ALL OF OUR PARKS ARE.

[OVERLAPPING] PARKS RELATIVE TO PARK VOIDS.

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I THINK YOUR MAIN QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO GET PARKS IN THESE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKS, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, THE SMALL TYPE PARKS? OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE THE BIG REGIONAL PARK NEARBY BUT IT DOESN'T SERVE THE INTERIOR NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I THINK IT ACTUALLY WAS ALSO PARTLY THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE THEMSELVES, AND SO HOW DOES THEIR PARK SYSTEM WITHIN THERE? BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THEM, LIKE NORTH HEIGHTS HAS GOT [INAUDIBLE] AND THERE'S SOME PARKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN SAN JACINTO THE SAME WAY IT'S IN THE BARRIO'S AND EASTRIDGE.

DOES THAT INCORPORATE INTO ALL OF THIS ALSO?

>> YES, IT DEFINITELY DOES.

WE ARE LOOKING AT, IF YOU RECALL, THAT CONCEPTUAL MAP THAT SHOWED THE DIFFERENT PARK TYPES WITH THE DIFFERENT SHAPES, SYMBOLS.

IT'S THAT OVERARCHING AND INVESTMENT STRATEGY ACROSS THE CITY, RECOGNIZING THAT IN SOME PARTS OF THE CITY, SUCH AS THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE MISSING.

IT MAY BE LOOKING AT A SCHOOL PARK PARTNERSHIP, BUT INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, INVEST THERE TO CREATE A LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN A COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO MEET NEEDS IN AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE NONE.

>> DOES YOUR PLAN ALSO GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE RECTIFY THE HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE LIKE MR. KASHUBA SAID, WE'VE GOT SOME THAT WE OWN, SOME THAT THEY OWN, SOME THAT WE PARTNER WITH ON, AND SO IS THERE AN IDEA OF HOW WE LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT EVERYTHING IS BASICALLY ON THE SAME [OVERLAPPING] WAY?

>> PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK CONCEPT THAT WE WERE STARTING TO LOOK AT IS ALSO RETHINKING WHAT A OFFICIAL SCHOOL PARK WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A SCHOOL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD SCHOOL PARKS IN THE PAST, SOME OF THEM WHICH WERE ACTUALLY SCHOOL FACILITIES THAT WERE MAINTAINED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

BUT A SCHOOL PARK ACROSS THE NATION IS OFTEN WHERE THERE'S A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOLS WHO ARE PROVIDING THE LAND AND SOME FACILITIES AND CITIES WHO ARE ADDING THE INVESTMENT THERE RECOGNIZING IT IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT THAN TO BUILD THEIR OWN PARK NEARBY.

IT IS A SHARED COLLABORATIVE ARRANGEMENT IN THAT WAY.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS LOOKING AT WHERE WE HAVE DUPLICATED SERVICES.

I THINK THE CITY MANAGER TOUCHED ON THAT JUST BRIEFLY IS ARE THERE AREAS WHERE WE'VE GOT DUPLICATED SERVICE WHERE A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A COMMUNITY IS BEING SERVED BY MULTIPLE PARKS? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN MAYBE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE ABOUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PARK THAT SERVES THAT COMMUNITY OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO, THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY IS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE NORTHEAST, THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER TO GET BIGGER RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S LOOKING AT THEM AT A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, KNOWING THAT SOME PLACES WE HAVE DUPLICATED SERVICES, SOME PLACES WE DON'T HAVE ANY SERVICES, AND SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE BEST SERVE THE COMMUNITY, WORKING WITH OUR SCHOOL PARTNERS.

>> I WOULD THINK AS WE LOOK AT THAT, AND I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH MY MIND ABOUT THE PARKS AROUND TOWN, THERE'S NO REGIONAL PARK ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THAT LEAVES US WITH A GAPING HOLE THAT ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN OUR LIST OF THINGS WE NEED TO DO, THAT'S GOT TO BE ADDRESSED ALSO, I WOULD THINK.

>> I'LL JUST ADD IN AND SAY THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE ASKED A LOT ABOUT IN THE TRI-STATE FAIRGROUND MASTER PLAN, IF IT COULDN'T BE PART OF DEVELOPING THAT AREA AS A RECREATION AREA, ESPECIALLY IN OUR PARTNERSHIP IN THE EVENTS THAT THE QUARTER HORSE ASSOCIATION BRINGS AND THE RODEOS AND ALL OF THAT, COULD WE NOT ALSO BE DEVELOPING IN OUR MINDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A REGIONAL PARK THERE? POOR MICHAEL, EVERY TIME I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM, HE'S LIKE, "BUT MAYOR, WE HAVE MORE THAN WE CAN HANDLE RIGHT NOW." [LAUGHTER] BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE WORKING TOWARD IS A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM OVERALL.

I'M WITH YOU, EDDY, THAT IT DOES FEEL LIKE A GAPING LACK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A REGIONAL PARK IN THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN.

>> YEAH. AT SOME POINT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THAT PART OF TOWN IS JUST AS DESERVING AS-

>> IT'S VERY DESERVING.

>> I GUESS THAT'S ALL IN PART OF THIS.

IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT THIS THING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR HOWEVER MANY, 50 YEARS OR WHATEVER, AND NOW THEN IT'S LIKE WE'VE BEEN ON CRUISE CONTROL,

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>> [INAUDIBLE] I THINK WE JUST WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE PARKS SPACES, MAKING SURE THAT WHERE WE CAN PARTNER AND GET A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WE DO IT, AND WHERE WE CAN SERVE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER, WE DO IT.

I THINK ONCE WE GET THAT BLUEPRINT, THEN WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO START LOOKING AT PUTTING IN A NEW FACILITY DOWN THE ROAD.

WE GOT TO ADDRESS WHAT WE HAVE, BUT THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO FUND THINGS THROUGH GRANTS AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ONCE WE HAVE THIS PLAN IN PLACE, WE CAN START LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS TO HELP TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME FUNDING AS WELL.

>> I THINK PART OF THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE DOING ALL OF THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WHEN THESE COMPANIES COME, OR WHATEVER BUSINESS OR START-UPS, WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING, NOT ONLY ARE THEY LOOKING AT OUR CITY AND THE RESOURCES OUR CITY HAS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT QUALITY OF LIFE.

QUALITY OF LIFE I THINK AFTER COVID WAS IN PLACE HAS MOVED ITSELF UP THE LADDER AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE FOR SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COVER THAT BASE, OR AT LEAST WE GOT A PLAN FOR COVERING THAT BASE WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING TO NEW PEOPLE COMING.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ARE THERE ANY PARKS RIGHT NOW? THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN THE PAST THAT WE MAY HAVE TOO ME PARKS, ARE THERE SOME WE'RE GOING TO ABANDON YOU'LL WOULD RECOMMEND?

>> WANT TO ADDRESS THAT?

>> THAT'S AN EASY SOFTBALL QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S DUPLICATION OF SERVICES.

AT THIS POINT IT WASN'T OUR THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH AND IDENTIFY PARKS TO OFFLOAD OR SELL.

THE THOUGHT IS IN THE SHORT-TERM; LET'S REDUCE SERVICES, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN INCREASE REVENUES ELSEWHERE TO SEE IF WE CAN TURN THIS AROUND.

THE BETTER APPROACH IN TERMS OF EXTRA LAND OR LAND LEASES, SO YOU DON'T LOSE CONTROL OF ANY PARKLAND.

YOU'RE NOT GIVING UP ANY PARKLAND, BUT POTENTIALLY ON A SHORT-TERM BASIS, ABLE TO LEASE SOME OF YOUR PARKLAND OUT FOR OTHER USES THAT AGAIN, ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO OWN THAT LAND FOR FUTURE PARK AND RECREATION USE BUT GENERATE REVENUES OFF IT CURRENTLY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CINDY, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY NO, NOT SELLING PARKS? JUST WANT TO TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

BUT ANTICIPATING HOW DO WE REDUCE THE COST ON THE TAXPAYERS OF MAINTAINING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.

MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT BY GENERATING REVENUE THROUGH SOME LEASING OR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

>> YEAH, I THINK WE'D BE LOOKING AT THOSE DUPLICATED AREAS AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE ASSETS.

MAYBE SOME OF THOSE ASSETS AS THEY AGE OUT WE JUST REMOVE.

DO WE NEED 50 PICNIC TABLES? MAYBE WE NEED 10.

PART OF IT IS ALSO AN EXERCISE IN PARK PLANNING WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THOSE PARKS.

IT MAY NOT BE REMOVING PARK SPACE, BUT IT MIGHT BE REMOVING ASSETS WITHIN THOSE PARK SPACES.

DO WE NEED FIVE SHELTERS? MAYBE WE JUST NEED ONE.

IT'S LOOKING AT IT FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AS WELL AS AN ASSET STANDPOINT; MAYBE WE'VE GOT TOO MANY ASSETS WITHIN THOSE FACILITIES.

NOT TOO MANY FACILITIES, BUT TOO MANY ASSETS WITHIN THOSE FACILITIES.

>> THEN I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

YOU'VE BEEN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC.

MICHAEL, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? TWO YEARS, TWO-AND-A-HALF?

>> JUST CROSS THREE.

>> JUST CROSS THREE. IN THE COURSE OF SHOWING UP HERE AND SEEING THAT WE HAD FOR YEARS DRASTICALLY UNDERFUNDED THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR PARKS, YOU STARTED TRYING TO CREATE DATA POINTS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVE NEEDED THAT AS A COUNCIL, AND SO WE HAVE THE ASSET MANAGEMENT STUDY AND NOW WE HAVE A PARKS' MASTER PLAN.

YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF BETTER INTERFACING WITH OUR PARKS AND REC BOARD.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN ALL OF THOSE STEPS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

BUT NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE FINAL TOUCHES ON THE PARKS' MASTER PLAN.

CAN YOU JUST VERBALIZE WHAT THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE, AS CITIZENS, CAN INTERFACE WITH THE PEOPLE WE ANSWER TO, AT THE GROCERY STORE, IN CHURCH.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO ENGAGE AND HOW THEIR VOICES CAN BE HEARD ABOUT THE PARK SYSTEM.

>> EXCELLENT POINT. I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THE ANSWER; ONE IS THAT AS WE FINALIZE THIS MASTER PLAN, WE WILL GO OUT WITH THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE COMMUNITY AND THE THINGS THAT NEED TO SHIFT IN TERMS OF THE INVESTMENT STRATEGY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT FEEDBACK WE WILL RECEIVE, HOW PEOPLE WILL REACT.

BUT WE'RE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME THAT SOME PEOPLE TRULY HEAR THAT CHANGES ARE NEEDED AND UNDERWAY.

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MANY CITIES HAVE TURNED TOWARDS THAT MODEL TO REALLY COLLABORATE WITH RESIDENTS MORE THOROUGHLY IN TERMS OF THEIR SUPPORT FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

THE TWO PIECES: THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY THE INFORMATION, AND WILL FEED INTO THE MASTER PLAN, THE SECOND ONE IS A LARGER INFORMATION CAMPAIGN WITH A CALL TO ACTION.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, MICHAEL, THAT WE DON'T PULL ANY PUNCHES WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC.

PART OF THAT IS SOMETIMES IT GETS PRESENTED IN BUREAUCRATIC DATA ANALYSIS PEAK, AND WE SHOULDN'T.

WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS LAST ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THEY NEED TO HEAR THE CITY SAYING, "WE'RE AT A POINT OF CRISIS IN MAINTAINING THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE, AND HOW DID WE GET TO THAT POINT OF CRISIS, AND WHAT DO WE THINK THE ROAD OUT LOOKS LIKE." BUT UNLESS WE DEFINE IT AND FRAME IT AS A POINT OF CRISIS, THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR, "YEAH, THINGS COULD BE BETTER." THEY'RE EXPERIENCING; WHEN THEY GO TO THE PARKS, THEY'RE SEEING THE DETERIORATION AND ALL.

BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE WE ARE IS UNDERWATER AND OUR TREND IS DOWNWARD.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT TREND INFORMATION, THEY MIGHT JUST BE THINKING, "WELL, WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, OR CITY COUNCIL SHOULD PUT MORE DOLLARS TOWARD THAT." I THINK THAT'S A FALSE NARRATIVE FOR THEM, EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE VERBALIZING INTERNALLY IN THEIR MINDS, WE HAVE GOT TO BE VERY DIRECT IN THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GIVING US FEEDBACK ON WHETHER TO REDUCE SERVICES AND OR INCREASE FUNDING, I NEED TO KNOW THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM THEM COMES FROM THEM KNOWING THE FULL PICTURE.

OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'RE IN A TIGHT SPOT.

THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE FROM THEM DOESN'T HAVE THE FULL PICTURE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA WE NEED FROM CITIZENS TO KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.

>> YEAH, LIKE SOME THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED IN THE PAST MONTH AND A HALF ARE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AT SOUTHWEST SOCCER FIELDS, THERE IS NO LIGHTING ANYMORE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LIGHTING UPGRADE.

THERE'S A THING THAT OCCURRED AND THE TRANSFORMERS NO LONGER WORK WITH THE LIGHTING.

THE WIRING, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REPLACED.

WE'RE ONE ELECTRICAL EVENT AWAY FROM HAVING NO LIGHTING AT MARTIN ROAD.

I THINK THOSE THINGS PUBLICLY [NOISE] NEEDS TO KNOW THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, AND WE'RE ONE EVENT AWAY FROM HAVING NO LIGHTING AT MARTIN ROAD, OR YOU HAVE NO LIGHTING SO THERE ARE NO NIGHT GAMES FOR SOCCER AT SOUTHWEST.

BECAUSE I THINK WHENEVER I FIRST HEARD THAT, THAT'S PRETTY SHOCKING TO REALIZE.

"YOU MEAN WE DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO US ANYMORE?" THEN TO REALIZE WHAT IS REQUIRED, AND WHERE WE CAME FROM, AND WHAT IS REQUIRED TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE BACK WHERE WE NEED TO BE, IS PRETTY SHOCKING.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE WAY WE'VE APPROACHED THE MASTER PLAN IS WE DID THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN FIRST.

IT'S ROOTED IN ACTUAL SITUATION OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST DO A MASTER PLAN INDEPENDENT, BUT OURS IS BASED ON THOSE ASSETS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

IT'S A REALLY SOLID FOUNDATION, IT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE, IT'S VERY OBJECTIVE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A THIRD-PARTY PERSPECTIVE AND TAKING THOSE, THAT INFORMATION AND FEEDING IT INTO OUR PARKS' MASTER PLAN AND TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PARK BOARD HAS REALLY PLAYED A STRONG ROLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, IS LOOKING AT, WE WANT A PLAN THAT'S ACTIONABLE, WE WANT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND IT DOESN'T JUST SIT ON A SHELF.

THAT'S A HUGE CREDIT TO OUR PARK BOARD AND THE EFFORT THAT THEY'VE PUT IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE PUT IT INTO A PLAN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT.

>> THE DEAL IS, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THOSE EXAMPLES, BECAUSE IN CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD IN MY OFFICE OR PUBLIC WITH CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY, "SEVENTY-ONE PERCENT OF OUR ASSETS IN OUR PARKS ARE AT A LEVEL 3 OR WORSE AT BEST." BUT THEN THEY GO, "OH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH." BUT WHENEVER YOU GO, "OH BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE NO LIGHTING FOR SOCCER AT SOUTHWEST.

YOU'RE ONE ELECTRICAL EVENT AWAY FROM NO LIGHTING AT MARTIN ROAD." THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE GO, "OH, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE." I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF IT.

IT IS JUST SOME OF THOSE THINGS PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR EXACTLY WHAT DOES THAT 71 PERCENT,

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>> IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION TO JOHN.

JOHN, THANK YOU FOR BEING AT THE MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT ALL OF THESE?

>> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S BEEN MY PLEASURE.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LISTENING INTO OUR MEETINGS I THINK, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE AND THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT.

[NOISE] FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU ALL IS, I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU ALL DO NOT HAVE A MASTER PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE I WAS NOT ABOUT TO HAND YOU SOMETHING OF VERY LOW VALUE.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WERE MOVING TOWARDS UNTIL I SPENT SOME TIME WITH CINDY AND AND THE BOARD.

EDDY IS REAL. IT'S REALLY REAL.

AS SOMEONE THAT TAKES THIS ADVISORY BOARD DECISION SERIOUSLY, I FEEL IT'S MY JOB TO ADVISE.

I'VE SPENT TIME WITH MY FRIEND COLE AND EDDY, WE MET.

I DON'T KNOW ANY OF US.

I CERTAINLY DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, AS A VERY ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE ATHLETICS, THE PARKS.

UP UNTIL WE DID THE MESS, THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, I HAD NO IDEA.

THE MORE WE DUG, THE UGLIER IT GOT.

AS WE WERE TAKING THE TIME TO TRY TO GET YOU A DOCUMENT THAT THAT I FELT LIKE PROVIDED SOME VALUE AND A VISION, EDDY HERE WE'RE OUT OF VISION.

SOMETIMES A VISION IS HARD THOUGH WHEN I'M WORRIED ABOUT TURNING ON THE LIGHTS.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

BUT I JUST BELIEVE THAT IF OUR COMMUNITY KNEW, THEY WOULD RALLY.

PARKS, RECREATION IS SUCH A HUGE PART OF MY LIFE, MY FAMILY'S LIVES.

I SIT BACK AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HAS PARK MEANT TO MY FAMILY OVER THE YEARS? I THINK EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM, EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE'VE TAKEN OUR KIDS FOR PICNICS, WE'VE DONE SPORTS.

TO NOT COMMUNICATE TO OUR COMMUNITY HOW IMPORTANT AND HOW DRASTIC THIS IS TO ME WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS DISSERVICE.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE SLOWED THIS PROCESS DOWN.

BECAUSE I THINK WITHOUT THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OF THE REALITY, I GOT TO TELL YOU WHEN OUR PARTNER IN FORMULATING A MASTER PLAN SAYS IN A MEETING, WELL, ARE YOU GUYS PREPARED TO CLOSE YOUR ZOO? I SWALLOWED REALLY HARD BECAUSE I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO THAT.

BUT WE'VE GOT REALITIES THAT WE HAVE TO FACE AS A CITY.

I THINK THERE WAS AND MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT ONE THING I LIKE THAT 3.1-3.7 A YEAR, THAT'S JUST TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE.

THAT DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF THE 45 MILLION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US ON THE HIGH RISK.

I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD YOU GUYS, I THANK YOU FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT.

I WAS THERE WHEN WE HAD TO CLOSE THE THOMPSON POOL.

I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN. WHICH YOU'RE RIGHT, EDDY.

WE'RE A TRANSFORMER WAY.

WE'VE HAD BEATINGS WITH EXCEL.

WE BEGGED THEM TO NOT REPLACE THE TRANSFORMER SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR LIGHTS ON.

WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTS NOW THAT WE CAN TURN ON IN THE SOUTHWEST, WE'VE GOT BATHROOM SWING SETS.

IT'S VERY REAL.

I GUESS I'M AT THE AGE NOW WHERE I DON'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME LEFT TO PLAY GAMES.

I'M HOPING AND PRAYING THAT WE CAN REALLY ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOME STUFF TOGETHER.

AS I SAID BEFORE, I REALLY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND WORK WITH AND GO TO CHURCH WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WILL STEP UP AND SAY, "HEY, WE NEED TO DO BETTER AS A COMMUNITY." THIS IS ON OUR WATCH, RIGHT? IT DON'T REALLY MATTER WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TOMORROW.

THAT'S MY GOAL. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S WHY WE'VE TAKEN SO MUCH TIME.

>> WHERE'S THE BOARD ON THIS, JOHN? HAS THE DYNAMIC BAND PRETTY UNANIMOUS IN THESE CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT YOU THINK IS ABOUT TO BE A PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN OR?

>> A COUPLE OF THINGS WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE FORMED TWO SUBCOMMITTEES.

WE HAVE A STRATEGIC GROUP AND WE HAVE A OUTREACH, I THINK.

THE STRATEGIC GROUP IS VERY MUCH ON BOARD WITH THIS.

AS A TOTAL BOARD,

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WE ALL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WE ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT INFORMATION.

BUT I THINK EVEN AS CITIZENS, I THINK ALL OF US KNOW WHAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE, BUT WE'RE JUST AFRAID TO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE WERE AFRAID TO MAKE SOMEBODY LOOK BAD, OR I'M PAST THAT.

WE GOT TO FIX THIS.

I ENGAGED MY COMMUNITY JUST LIKE YOU DO AND NOBODY KNOWS HOW BAD IT IS.

ME AND COLE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION IN HIS DRIVEWAY AS HE WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND I THINK HE WAS SHOCKED AS WE ALL WERE WHEN WE FIRST SAW THIS.

I THINK THE BOARD IS LIKE I SAID, THOUGH, WE'RE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU-ALL ARE.

WE ARE GOING TO ADVISE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO.

IN THAT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH GOOD INFORMATION AND WITH A VISION, EDDY.

BECAUSE WE, FOR INSTANCE, EVERYBODY HAS AN INTEREST IN NEWS SPORTS.

THERE'S A LOT OF TOURNAMENTS HAPPENING.

YOU KNOW, ELK CITY, WHERE THERE'S A PHENOMENAL COMPLEX THERE AND THERE'S ALL OF OUR KIDS ARE GOING ALL OVER THE REGION.

ALL I HEAR IS WELL, WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT IN AMARILLO? I'M WORRIED ABOUT KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON AT SOUTHWEST.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL FOR JOHN.

JOHN, WE APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THANK YOU-ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> I EXPECT YOU WILL GET AN INVITATION BACK OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AS WE REALLY TAKE UP THE REIGNS ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU-ALL VERY MUCH.

>> THANKS.

>> SENDING ANY FINAL COMMENTS. OKAY.

>> WE APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION HERE TODAY.

SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THIS REALISTIC FRAME FOR THE PLAN, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD WITH THE OUTREACH AND THEN WRAP UP THE PLAN TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR REVIEW AND GUIDANCE.

>> OKAY, ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? ANYBODY ELSE? YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, DO YOU THINK, MR. CITY MANAGER?

>> YES, MA'AM. ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU, CINDY, FOR BEING HERE AND FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'RE DOING ON THIS.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A THOMPSON PARK POOL UPDATE.

[1.D. Thompson Park Pool update;]

>> HI, MAYOR. WE'VE GOT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, MICHAEL KASHUBA.

WE ALSO HAVE WILEY HICKS, WHO'S THE PERSON IN A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT IS DOING THE CONSTRUCTION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON.

WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, COMMENTS FROM ME. SO MICHAEL, TAKE IT AWAY.

>> I'M GOING TO KEEP MY PORTION OF IT VERY BRIEF.

WE'VE BEEN UPDATING COUNCIL ON A BI-WEEKLY BASIS ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR THE POOL.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE HAD SOME WEATHER DELAYS.

IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'VE HAD SOME UNFORESEEN MATERIAL ISSUES THAT HAS PUSHED THE DEADLINE TO JULY 23RD.

OBVIOUSLY I'VE GOT WILEY HICKS HERE, HE CAN WALK THROUGH MORE OF THE DETAILS ON THAT.

>> IT'S NOT THE DEADLINE, IT'S THE THE COMPLETION DATE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THE COMPLETION, YEAH.

>> WE'RE NOT MOVING THE DEADLINE.

>> [LAUGHTER] YEAH. THE COMPLETION DATE IS JULY 23RD.

>> IS THAT GOING TO BE THE COMPLETION DATE AND THE OPEN DATE OR OPEN DATE?

>> THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO OPEN ON THE 23RD.

>> WE'RE ON WHAT, PLAN G?

>> YEAH. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT WILEY HERE AS WELL.

HE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER AS WELL.

>>> I THINK IT'LL WOULD BE HELPFUL, WILEY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRILL YOU.

BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT SPECIFICS ABOUT SOME OF THE SUPPLY ISSUES BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE RIGHT INFORMATION.

>> REALLY ALL I CAN SAY IS, I'VE NEVER HAD A YEAR LIKE THIS.

NOT JUST ON THIS PROJECT, BUT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS JOB, WE'VE LOST 42 DAYS TO WEATHER.

THAT INCLUDES SATURDAYS, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SUNDAYS, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK SINCE THE JOB STARTED.

THE LAST UPDATE THAT WE GAVE WAS JULY 4, WEEKEND OF OPENING.

WE HAD THE PLASTER OF THE POOL SCHEDULED FOR STARTING ON JUNE 14TH.

ON JUNE THE 10TH AT 2:50 IN THE AFTERNOON, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE POOL COMPANY, COPIED FROM HIS SUPPLIER THAT THE MATERIAL HAD 10 WEEK DELIVERY.

IT HAD BEEN ORDERED SET ASIDE IN APRIL FOR DELIVERY.

IN TIME, I ACTUALLY BEGIN THE BEGINNING FOR MEMORIAL DAY.

THERE IS A PLASTER SHORTAGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THERE'S A CEMENT SHORTAGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SPRAY FOAM INSULATION.

NOW, I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.

LOOK, THE WINDOWS FOR THE TICKET BOOTH WERE ORDERED APRIL 2ND.

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WE'LL BE ABLE TO TEMPORARY SOME STUFF IN.

BUT WE DID FIND AN ALTERNATE SOURCE, I'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECT AND MICHAEL TO GET IT APPROVED AND THEY WILL BE ONSITE NOW JULY THE 8, THEY'LL BE PLASTERING JULY, I MAY BE WRONG ON MY DAYS, LET ME GET MY NOTES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLASTERING STARTING JULY 12 AND WILL HAVE WATER IN THE POOL BY THE END OF THAT WEEK.

>> THAT IS HELPFUL JUST FOR US TO KNOW THAT.

>> WELL, I WENT TO WORK FOR MY DAD 41 YEARS AGO, 42 YEARS AGO IN AUGUST.

I REMEMBER THE CEMENT SHORTAGE IN EARLY '80S, BUT THIS IS EVERYTHING SHORTAGE.

IT'S WORKMAN, EVERYTHING.

WE'RE LUCKY EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PLASTER AND THE WINDOWS ARE NOW ON SITE, SO HOPEFULLY THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE.

>> THAT'S GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR WILEY, COUNCIL?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE DOING THIS WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE.

>> [LAUGHTER] IT'S TO KEEP FROM CRYING.

[LAUGHTER] I HAD A MEETING THIS MORNING WITH AISD ABOUT THE SAME EXACT SUBJECT ON CAPROCK HIGH SCHOOL.

WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE 18 MONTHS.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SHOULD BE FURNISHED A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. I DON'T KNOW.

>> LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A SHORTAGE ON EVERYTHING, TRULY YOU MEAN EVERYTHING IN THE WAY OF, I CAN'T GET RED TRAFFIC PAINT FOR NO REASON.

LIKE, I CAN GET RED PAINT BUT I CAN'T GET RED TRAFFIC PAINT TO PAINT MY FIRE LANES SO THAT I CAN CLOSE ON TIME.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CUSTOMERS AND WE SAY, "HEY, NOBODY WANTS TO BE DONE WORSE THAN ME." SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO BE DONE TOO.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'D ALREADY FINISHED.

>> ALL OF MY GUYS WE'RE NORMALLY AROUND 65-70 PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT 46.

THAT INCLUDES SUPERVISORY PEOPLE.

WE'RE WORKING, EVERYONE OF OUR CREW'S WORKING 60 HOURS A WEEK.

YOU KNOW WHAT OVER TIME IS? ESPECIALLY ON GUYS WHO MAKE 25, 30 BUCKS AN HOUR.

IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE THAT WE CAN FIND THAT WON'T ACTUALLY WORK.

>> CHALLENGING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY TO GIVE US AN UPDATE [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT WAS EASY. [LAUGHTER]

>> YEAH.

>> JERRY DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> JUST QUICK COMMENT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CITY EMPLOYEES IN THE ROOM THAT HAVE NEVER, AND PROBABLY WILEY'S GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT, WE'VE NEVER HAD A FACILITY PROJECT COME IN LATE, NOT IN MY ENTIRE CAREER.

WE'RE GOING TO DO A DETAILED ANALYSIS ON IT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL IF WE COULD HAVE DONE THEM DIFFERENT, WE'LL KNOW.

YES, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE UNIQUE YEAR. WILEY HIT ON IT.

MICHAEL HIT ON IT. COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY HIT ON IT.

I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO THROW OUT A BLANKET.

THIS WAS A TOUGH YEAR AND WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO DIG DEEPER AND SEE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN OUR PROTOCOLS FOR HOW WE DELIVER FACILITIES.

WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE'RE BLASE ABOUT IT.

THERE'S A LOT OF LEGITIMATE REASONS AND WILEY HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER, THE PARK STAFF HAVE BEEN DRIVING HARD SYSTEMS FROM FACILITIES AT TIMES.

I JUST WANT YOU-ALL TO KNOW AND I WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HOW THE WHOLE PROJECT WENT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN LEARN FROM IT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS RESOURCE, THIS ASSET, THIS AMENITY, KNOWS WE'RE DRIVING AS HARD AS WE CAN AND WE ARE GOING TO LEARN FROM IT.

IT IS WHAT IT IS AS FAR AS IT'S GOING TO BE LATE.

WE KNOW THAT. WE JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LEARN FROM, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THOSE LESSONS.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IN AS MUCH AS WE CAN, WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

[BACKGROUND] THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME IN LATE AND WILL CONTINUE TO COME IN LATE AT TIMES, LIKE STREET PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU CAN'T DRY IN A ROAD LIKE YOU CAN DRY IN A BUILDING, ONCE YOU GET IT DRIED IN, YOU CAN KEEP GOING NO MATTER WHAT THE WEATHER LOOKS LIKE.

I WAS WANDERING WAY TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE COULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO APPLY THOSE LESSONS LEARNED. IT IS A UNIQUE YEAR.

>> ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ITEM?

>> ARE THERE OTHER POOLS THAT WE HAVE BUSY?

>> YES. SOUTHEAST HAS BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY.

SOUTHWEST WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A DECLINE, BUT SOUTHEAST HAS BEEN VERY BUSY.

>> THOSE CLOSE WHEN? IN AUGUST?

>> AFTER LABOR DAY.

>> THANKS AGAIN WILEY. MOVING ON TO ITEM 1E,

[1.E. City Hall repairs update;]

[01:30:01]

>> HI, MA'AM. WE ARE CONTINUING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CITY HALL.

WE'VE GOT JERRY DANFORTH, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES, TO GIVE US A MORE DETAILED UPDATE AND BREAK DOWN ON COSTS.

I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE NOT YET HAD THAT ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE AFTER THE LAST MEETING, OR AT LEAST WE HAVEN'T HAD A MORE DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF COSTS THAT WE WILL INCLUDE HERE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY KNOWS THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO UNDERCUT ANY POSITIONS ON THAT AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, MAKE SURE HE'S FULLY UP TO SPEED.

HE COULD BE A LITTLE FLAT FOOTED, WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I'LL JUST SAY ON THE FRONT END TO COLE, I THINK THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE THE FOUR OF US HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR OVER THREE YEARS, BUT IT'S A REAL GIFT TO US THAT YOU'RE HERE ON THE COUNCIL NOW, AS A CITIZEN WHO WANTS TO LEARN, WHO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND.

YOU REPRESENT EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN TAKING THEIR KIDS TO SOCCER AND RUNNING THEIR OWN BUSINESSES FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOU'RE THE PERFECT PERSON AT THE TABLE TO SIT AND ASK ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.

BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY EVERY CITIZEN WHO WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED.

WE'VE ASKED THEM AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

BUT I THINK ONE OF MY HUSBAND'S FAVORITE SAYINGS IS CHECK AND DOUBLE-CHECK.

YOU'RE A DOUBLE-CHECK AND YOU'RE SITTING AT THE TABLE WITH US.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE ASKING THEM FRESHLY FROM THE CITIZEN'S POINT OF VIEW. I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'LL TRY TO ASK GOOD POINTING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE REAL OUTCOMES AND NOT WANDER.

WILL BE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT.

BUT I AM STILL DIGGING SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

>> ALL RIGHT, JERRY, THANK YOU.

>> VERY GOOD. MAYOR COUNCIL, IT'S GOOD TO ADDRESS YOU AGAIN ON THIS ISSUE.

WE DID DRILL DOWN A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY ON THIS ONE.

THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS A LOOK AT YOUR OPTIONS.

THIS REALLY DRILLS DOWN WITH LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE HAVE ON CITY HALL.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT? WHAT ARE CRITICAL COMPONENTS? AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I'LL SHARE THE VISION THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND YOU, AS A CITY COUNCIL OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? OF COURSE, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A STRUCTURE THAT'S 55 YEARS OLD.

WE'RE DEALING WITH EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN HERE THAT'S 55 YEARS OLD.

WHEN YOU PUT PERSPECTIVE ON IT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSES IN TOWN AND HAVE A 55-YEAR-OLD REFRIGERATOR IN THEM.

CONSEQUENTLY, WE'RE RUNNING DOWN A BUNCH OF EQUIPMENT THAT DOES HAVE THAT KIND OF AGE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE THE BUILDING DOES HAVE THAT KIND OF AGE.

WE HAVE WORKED AT THE REQUEST OF KEPT PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND THIS COUNCIL DO WHAT YOU CAN TO KEEP IT RUNNING AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.

BUT WITH THIS COUNCIL, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH YOU THAT WE'VE PUT X NUMBER OF PATCHES ON THERE.

WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN NO LONGER PATCH STUFF.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REMODEL OF THE SPACE AS WE GO THROUGH THESE BULLET POINTS, AS SPACE GETS ALLOCATED, CHANGES IN SCOPE AND SIZE OF DEPARTMENTS WE'RE NOT THE SAME SIZE AS WE WERE WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT.

THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS HERE FROM TIME TO TIME IS, THIS COUNCIL IS VERY AWARE, IS FAIRLY INADEQUATE FOR WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

THIS WAS PART OF THIS NUMBER THAT WAS CREATED HERE.

WE HAVE SOME ASBESTOS ABATEMENT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT 40,000 SQUARE FEET.

THIS BUILDING IS ACTUALLY 82,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE HAVE REMODELED SOME AREAS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ROLL THAT INTO THE MATH WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS GOING FORWARD.

IF WE LOOKED AT JUST REMODELING THAT 40,000 SQUARE FEET, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE GENERAL ISSUES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND $8.8 MILLION TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE ADA REQUIREMENTS, OF COURSE, WE'VE ALL BEEN AWARE THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE PUBLIC RESTROOM HERE IN THE FACILITY THAT'S ADA COMPLIANT AND THAT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL HERE.

WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH OUR RESTROOMS HERE.

THESE NUMBERS REFLECT DEMO OF THE RESTROOMS AND THE PLUMBING ITSELF.

NEW FIXTURES AND FINISHES, NEW PLUMBING IN THE WALLS AND THE FLOORS, NEW LIGHTING AND HVAC IN THOSE RESTROOMS AND OF COURSE WE'D HAVE AN AGONY COST FOR THAT.

IF WE WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 1.3-1.7 FOR THAT TYPE OF WORK.

WHERE DO WE GET THOSE NUMBERS? THOSE NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY THROUGH PROP 2 YOU SAW WE WILL REMODEL PD, SEVENTH FLOOR.

WE KNOW WHAT THE BREAKOUT OF THOSE NUMBERS WERE ON THOSE SOME OF OUR OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

WE TAKE AN ACCUMULATION OF THOSE NUMBERS AND THIS IS A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

[01:35:01]

THIS IS ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS HERE IN CITY HALL.

THIS PICTURE REFLECTS ACTUALLY THE CAST-IRON PIPE IS FELLING UNDER THE SLAB, LITERALLY PUSHING IN SEPARATING THE CONCRETE.

HERE'S A CLOSER VIEW OF THIS SAME AREA.

ONCE AGAIN, SOME OF THESE PICTURES ARE GOING TO BE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE LOOKED AT THE LAST TIME.

YOU SEE THE CAST IRON AND THE METAL IS FATIGUING IN BEHIND THE WALLS.

WE'VE SHARED PICTURES WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN THE PAST WHERE OUR GUYS HAVE GONE TO DO REPAIRS, P TRAPS UNDER SINKS, THEY'VE REACHED TO TIGHTEN THAT UP. THEY HAD A LEAK.

THE WHOLE PIPE CAME OUT OF THE WALL.

WE HAVE SOME MAJOR FAILURES THAT WE HAVE THERE.

A LOT OF TIMES, WE'LL GET COMPLAINTS OVER HERE AT CITY HALL.

HEY, IT SMELLS LIKE SEWER GAS.

A LOT OF TIMES WILL GO IN AND FIND THAT THE CAST-IRON PIPE IS LITERALLY SPLIT AND WE CAN'T REMOVE IT, SO WHAT WE DO IS WE PUT A BAND-AID ON IT, SEAL IT, AND THEN BAND-AID.

REMODEL OF THE ELEVATORS HERE, IF WE WERE TO BRING THE ELEVATORS TO CURRENT STANDARDS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THE OLD DC CIRCUITS WITH MULTIPLE SWITCH GEAR THAT IS NO LONGER MANUFACTURED.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO GET REBUILT UNITS TO BRING THEM IN HERE TO KEEP THEM OPERATIONAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT GOES INTO THIS NUMBER OF REFLEX.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BID OUT FOR THE REMODEL OF THE ELEVATORS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THAT, BUT WE KNOW IN WORKING WITH OUR SCHINDLER ELEVATOR AND WITH AMERICAN ELEVATOR, WE HAVE THOSE COSTS ASSESSMENTS FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT TO ADDRESS ELEVATORS HERE IN CITY HALL.

THIS SECTION HERE, I NEED YOU TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO, BECAUSE ALL BUT ONE OF THESE ITEMS COULD SHUT DOWN CITY HALL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHILLER HERE AT CITY HALL, THE CHILLER IS OVER 30 YEARS OLD.

IT'S AN R-22 SYSTEM.

R-22 IS BEING PHASED OUT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SO THE COST OF R-22 RIGHT NOW IT'S RUNNING EXTREMELY HIGH AND IT FLUCTUATES RATHER RAPIDLY.

IF WE WERE TO LOSE JUST SPRING A LEAK ON THE REFRIGERATION SYSTEM HERE AND BE ABLE TO FIX IT IF IT WAS A LEAK WE COULD FIX, WE'D BE LOOKING AT SPENDING PROBABLY CLOSE TO $10,000 TO $12,000 JUST BUYING GAS FOR THE SYSTEM.

IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE.

IF IT DOES GO DOWN, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT HERE AT CITY HALL IS THE IT SYSTEM WILL GO DOWN TOO BECAUSE IT WILL OVERHEAT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP IT COOL.

THE NEXT SYSTEM THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE BOILER SYSTEM HERE.

WITH FOUR NEW BOILERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND DUCT WORK, BECAUSE THE DUCT WORK FOR THE OLD BOILERS DOESN'T MEET WHAT THE NEW STANDARDS WOULD BE.

AS ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE, WHEN WE HAD OUR BIG FREEZE THIS YEAR, THAT WAS SUBSTANTIAL, HAD WE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROCURE A BOILER FROM CIVIC CENTER AND MOVE OVER HERE, WE MOVED IT OVER TWO DAYS BEFORE THAT FREEZE HIT, HAD WE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, THE REALITY IS WE WOULD HAVE FROZEN CITY HALL.

WE WOULD HAVE HAD CHILLER LOOPS, I COULDN'T HAVE PUT ENOUGH TEMPORARY HEAT IN HERE TO KEEP THIS BUILDING FROM FREEZING.

WE WERE IN PRETTY DIRE STRAITS.

WE AVOIDED CATASTROPHE THERE, BUT IT WAS WITHIN TWO DAYS OF HITTING US AND WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY SHUT US DOWN.

COOLING TOWER REPLACEMENT.

THE COOLING TOWER IS 27 YEARS OLD AND FAILING.

I'LL HAVE PHOTOS THAT SHOWS YOU THAT HERE SHORTLY.

TYPICAL LIFE OF A COOLING TOWER IS 15 TO 20 YEARS.

YOU'RE DEFINITELY GETTING YOUR MONEY'S WORTH OUT OF YOUR EQUIPMENT HERE WITHIN THE FACILITY.

I THINK YOU'VE EXTENDED TO PASS WHAT REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS ARE.

SANITARY PUMP SYSTEM, WE COVERED THIS IN THE LAST ONE AND I'LL HAVE SOME PHOTOS FOR THAT AS WELL.

CAST-IRON PIPE FEEDING THOSE SANITARY STORAGE TANKS, AND THE TANKS THEMSELVES ARE STARTING TO FAIL.

FAN COIL UNITS THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION HERE, THEY'RE 55 YEARS OLD.

LIKE I SAID, THEIR DESIGN, THEIR EFFICIENCY IS, FOR A LACK OF INTERPHASE, EXTREMELY LACKING WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.

REPLACEMENT PARTS DON'T EXIST FOR THEM.

WE'VE FOUND WAYS TO MODIFY THEM TO KEEP THEM RUNNING, BUT THEY ARE AREA THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO US HERE.

THE LOOP SYSTEM REPLACEMENT FOR THE HOT AND COLD LOOP.

NOW, HOT AND COLD LOOP, JUST FOR A LITTLE BASIC CLARIFICATION,

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MAJOR PARTS OF OUR LOOP SYSTEM HERE WITHIN THIS STRUCTURE ARE ACTUALLY GALVANIZED PIPE.

THE FACT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH GALVANIZED PIPE, A LOT OF THAT HAS STARTED TO FAIL.

IT'S ACTUALLY PLUGGING IT UP.

A LOT OF TIMES, THERE'S SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE HEATING IN THE SUMMER UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GO AND BLOW THOSE LINES DOWN.

THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO BLOW THOSE LINES DOWN AND PURGE ALL THAT TRASH OUT OF THEM TELLS US WE'RE GETTING INTERNAL FAILURES ON THOSE SYSTEMS. WE'RE JUST ROLLING THE DICE ON THAT.

BASEMENT DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND CAST IRON IS FAILING, THERE AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT, AND THEN WE'D BE LOOKING AT SOME ENGINEERING COSTS FOR THAT.

I HAVE $3-5 MILLION ON THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCOPE IS AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FAILURES ARE INTERNALLY INSIDE THE WALLS, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT.

WE HAVE VERY GOOD ASSUMPTIONS OF WHAT'S THERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY OPEN THEM UP.

THAT NUMBER COULD BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PHOTOGRAPH RIGHT HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY A SMALL VIDEO.

THE SEWER LINES IN THE BASEMENT BACK, THAT'S SEWER MATERIAL ACTUALLY COMING UP UNDERNEATH THE MAIN SYSTEM FOR IT DEPARTMENT, FORTUNATELY, WE GET NOTIFIED QUICK ENOUGH, WE COULD DEAL WITH IT.

BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA, BECAUSE THE CAST-IRON IS FAILING, YOU CAN'T RUN A SEWER SNAKE THROUGH THAT CAST-IRON.

IF I DO, I'M AFRAID THAT I'M GOING TO PUNCH A HOLE THROUGH CAST-IRON, [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN I COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN.

OKAY. GOT IT RIGHT, THERE YOU GO.

YEAH, I'M AFRAID IT'S BUBBLING UP THERE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THAT GRAY SPOT THERE AT THE END.

YOU JUST CAN'T HEAR THE SOUNDS, WHAT YOU'RE MISSING, WHICH BRINGS SOME FRAGRANCE WITH IT.

[LAUGHTER] YEAH. BUT I DIDN'T BRING ANY SCRATCH AND SNIFF WITH ME FOR THIS ONE.

THAT'S OUR PHONE SYSTEM, OUR IT, I MEAN, ALL THE [OVERLAPPING] ENTIRE SYSTEM WOULD SHUT DOWN IN THE BASEMENT? YEAH, AND IT WOULD JUST SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE IT SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THIS IS THE CELL THAT'S DOWN THERE THAT I REFERRED TO THE CAST-IRON SPELLING ON IT.

THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OF THOSE, TWO 700-GALLON TANKS.

IF YOUR CAST IRON THAT FEEDS INTO THOSE IS THICKER WALLS THAN WHAT THOSE TANKS ARE, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THE TANKS ARE LIKE.

THIS IS THE BOILER SYSTEM, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE PROCURED FROM CIVIC CENTER THAT IT SAYS POWER ON IT.

THE OTHER ONE WITH THE SMOKE ON THE BOTTOM IS THE OLDER UNIT THAT'S RUNNING AT ABOUT 20 PERCENT EFFICIENCY RIGHT NOW.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S TWO SPOTS THAT ARE WIDE OPEN FOR TWO ADDITIONAL BOILERS.

THAT'S THE CHILLER SYSTEM THAT'S SAT THERE 30 YEARS, AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE CORROSION ON THE PIPING COMING INTO THE CHILLER ITSELF WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE FATIGUE THERE AS WELL.

THERE'S THE GENERATOR THAT RUNS THE CITY IN AN EMERGENCY.

IT SAYS 75 KVA GENERATOR.

IT WILL RUN JUST THE BARE ESSENTIALS HERE IN THE BUILDING.

IT DOES NOT RUN THE CHILLER PLANT.

IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO RUN THE CHILLER PLANT.

IT WILL RUN THE BOILERS IF IT HAS TO, AND IT WILL KEEP THE SWITCHES WORKING FOR IT SO THAT THE PHONE STAY OPERATIONAL.

BUT IT WILL NOT FULLY RUN ANY OF THE BACKUP SYSTEMS PAST THAT.

IT'S WAY UNDERSIZED FOR WHAT THE CITY NEEDS ACTUALLY, FOR CITY HALL.

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED LAST WEEK JUST BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

[LAUGHTER] THANKS TO UTILITY DEPARTMENT, THEY GOT OUT THERE AND GET IT FIXED, GOT IT ADDRESSED, WAS ACTUALLY THE MANHOLE CORRODED AND COLLAPSED, SO YOU HAD A BIG SINK HOLE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL.

NEXT ONE, WE LOOK AT OTHER THINGS.

IF WE STAY IN THIS BUILDING AND ADDRESSED THIS BUILDING, THIS IS THE NEXT THING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

WINDOWS NEED TO BE ENERGY CODES.

THEY DON'T CURRENTLY DO THAT.

THE LIGHTING, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF FLUORESCENT LIGHTING.

WE WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS AND NEED TO SWITCH TO LED LIGHTING, FLUORESCENTS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

GENERATOR THAT WE REFERENCED EARLIER, AND THEN BUILDING AUTOMATION, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO, AND YOU WILL START SEEING MORE AND MORE CONVERSATIONS COMING FROM ME ON BUILDING AUTOMATION AND SECURITY.

RIGHT NOW, THE REASON FACILITIES OPERATES WITH THE SIZE STAFF THAT IT DOES IS BECAUSE WE ARE CURRENTLY THE THIRD LARGEST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN USING END OVER IN TECH BUILDING AUTOMATION, WHERE WE MONITOR BUILDING SECURITY.

WE MONITOR ALL OF THE HEATING AND COOLING AND SPACES.

ALL THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.

THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE BIGGER THAN US IS ACTUALLY AT AND T AND UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.

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WHAT WE HAVE INSIDE THE CITY HALL RIGHT NOW IS 20 YEARS OLD.

WE'RE NO LONGER ABLE TO GET COMPONENTS TO REPAIR THIS.

WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEND THEM OFF TO HAVE THEM BE REBUILT.

CITY HALL, FRONT INTERESTS, I'M SURE MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND I'LL HAVE SOME PHOTOS AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOT THERE AND ADA APPROACHES.

WHAT WE HAVE IS CONCRETES.

THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL REPAIRS AND THIS PICTURE REFLECTS IT.

IT STILL EXISTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THE CONCRETE ISN'T STRUCTURALLY SOUND LIKE WHAT IT USED TO BE.

THE PROBLEM IS PENETRATION OF WATER IN CONCRETE ACTUALLY MAKES IT STARTS FALLING AFTER YEARS.

THEN TO PUT ANY KIND OF A, FOR A LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, MASTIC OR PLASTER ON IT, IT WON'T ADHERE TO BECAUSE THE CONCRETE WILL ACTUALLY FAIL AND THAT NEW SECTIONAL COMPLETELY FALL OFF.

THAT'S WHAT YOU LOOK AT CURRENTLY THERE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL.

FLOOD CONTROL AND STRUCTURAL ON THE EAST SIDE.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I WANT TO POINT OUT THE FIRST TWO PICTURES THAT I'LL SHOW YOU, ACTUALLY ARE FROM THE AIRPORT WHEN WE HAD THE 100-YEAR EVENT AT THE AIRPORT.

THAT WAS A SIX INCH RAIN IN LESS THAN AN HOUR'S TIME.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAPPENED FOR THE AIRPORT, BUT FORTUNATELY FOR US, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE DOWNTOWN.

HAD IT HAPPENED HERE, WE WOULD HAVE HAD SOME CATASTROPHIC ISSUES HERE AT THIS BUILDING.

CURRENTLY, WHEN WE SEE THAT A LARGE RAIN EVENT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING HERE DOWNTOWN, YOU WILL SEE FACILITY STAFF ACTUALLY COME OVER WITH SAND BAGS AND PLUG THE BOTTOM DOORS OF CITY HALL TO KEEP THE FLOODING FROM COMING IN THERE.

WE HAVE HAD IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THREE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT ACTUALLY FLOODED THE BASEMENT HERE IN CITY HALL.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT THE AIRPORT AFTER SIX INCH RAIN, AND THAT'S AT YOUR DROP-OFF.

KEEP IN MIND WHAT'S SITTING THERE AT THE AIRPORT, YOU SEE THE PARKING LOT'S DRY THERE, BUT THE BASEMENT AT THE AIRPORT HAD EIGHT FEET OF WATER IN IT.

WE'RE IN A SITUATION HERE.

IF YOU'LL LOOK IN RETROSPECT, THE RAMP THAT GOES DOWN THE EAST SIDE OF CITY HALL, MAYOR AS YOU REFERENCE THIS IS WHERE THE GOVERNOR HAD TO GO TO COME INTO THE BUILDING.

IF WE GET THAT KIND OF A RAIN EVENT THERE, THERE'S NO WAY FOR ME TO TURN THE WATER BACK.

THIS IS WHY WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE AT CITY HALL, AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES ON THE CONCRETE.

I'D HAVE NOT PRESENTED YOU ANY NUMBERS TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF THEM.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE THE CONCRETE HAS FAILED.

YOU SEE THE REBAR IS ACTUALLY CORRODING AND FALLING APART INSIDE THE CONCRETE.

AS I STATED EARLIER, I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS FOR YOU ON THE STRUCTURAL REMEDIATION.

THAT WOULD TAKE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND QUITE A GREAT DEAL OF TIME TO GET THAT CLARIFIED FOR YOU.

WHAT I HAVE SHOWN YOU IS SOME ACTUAL COST THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD.

IT OF COURSE HAS SOME NUMBERS IN HERE THAT ARE RELATIVE NUMBERS, AND IF WE DO IT UPGRADES JUST AS IS WHERE IS HERE IN THE CURRENT BUILDING, WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND AT LEAST THAT $320,000 IF WE HAVE TO RELOCATE TO ANOTHER STRUCTURE, WHICH IF ANY OF THOSE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DO FAIL, WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE BECAUSE I COULDN'T FUNCTION IN THE BUILDING.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT SUBSTANTIALLY MORE MONEY THERE.

THEN OF COURSE, WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING FEES AT THAT TIME AS WELL.

THIS IS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF CITY HALL.

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A SECTION OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS ACTUALLY SUNK THREE INCHES THERE.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SLABS ARE ACTUALLY PULLING AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.

HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT. BULLET POINTS GOING DOWN THROUGH THAT.

ALL THOSE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

LIKE I SAID, KEEP IN MIND THAT SECTION THAT SAYS CHILLER, BOILER, AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, ANY OF THOSE FAILURES COULD SHUT DOWN CITY HALL AND CITY HALL FUNCTIONS.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT.

>> QUESTIONS FOR JERRY.

>> I THINK ONE THING WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON AND COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY'S QUESTION,

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I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH JUST REAL QUICK AND DIRTY MATH ON WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD ARRANGE FOR THOSE COSTS WOULD BE.

REMODELING SPACES IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD DO.

REMODELING RESTAURANTS, A COMPLIANCE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE WOULD BE DOING TO THE FACILITY TO TRIGGER COMPLIANCE WITH ADA ON THAT.

WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT. WE WOULD NOT REMODEL THE ELEVATORS.

WE CAN MAKE THOSE LAST FOR A FEW MORE YEARS.

CHILLER, BOILER, COOLING TOWER, ALL THAT STUFF WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

FRONT ENTRANCE UPGRADES WOULD NOT NEED TO BE DONE, WINDOW LIGHTING SECURITY, MOST OF THAT STUFF WOULD NOT NEED TO BE DONE.

HOWEVER, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WISE TO REPLACE OUR GENERATOR WITH A BIGGER GENERATOR THAT COULD HANDLE A BIGGER PORTION OF THE BUILDING, ESTIMATED AROUND $500,000.

FLOOD CONTROL STRUCTURE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, ALTHOUGH THAT IS ALWAYS A CONTINUING RISK, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE THAT THUS FAR AND I THINK WE CAN MANAGE FOR A HANDFUL MORE YEARS.

IT COSTS WOULD NEED TO DO THAT.

THAT'S A NECESSARY THING TO KEEP GOING.

WE'VE BEEN POSTPONING THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WAITING ON A DECISION ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN LONG-TERM WITH CITY HALL.

RELOCATION COSTS, THERE WOULD NOT BE THE FULL RELOCATION COSTS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THE FULL THING.

HOWEVER, THE INSTALLATION OF THE CHILLER, BOILER, AND OTHER HEAVY EQUIPMENT WOULD NECESSITATE THE SHUTDOWN OF THE FACILITY FOR A SHORT TIME, SO THAT'D BE ESTIMATED AROUND THREE MONTHS, MAYBE A MILLION DOLLARS OR SO ON THAT.

THEN THERE'D BE AN AMOUNT OF ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING COST AND WOULDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT ESTIMATED AROUND $400,000 JUST FOR CALCULATION PURPOSES.

IN THAT SCENARIO, IF WE TOOK THOSE SMALLEST NUMBERS TO CREATE A LOW ESTIMATED COST AND TOOK THE BIGGER NUMBERS TO CREATE THE HIGHEST MADE IT COSTS TO COST SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $6.5 TO $8.6 MILLION TO DO A STOPGAP PROJECT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE USING THE FACILITY WITH RELIABILITY, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE EXPOSURE FOR THINGS LIKE FLOOD AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.

BUT BY AND LARGE, WE COULD CONTINUE TO USE THE FACILITY FOR A HANDFUL MORE YEARS, AND I'M USING HANDFUL MORE YEARS AS A PLACEHOLDER.

>> HOW MANY? THREE, FOUR, EIGHT?

>> THREE TO SEVEN PROBABLY, JERRY?

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CITY'S FUNCTION IS AND WHAT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY'S GROWING AND SO DEPARTMENTS ARE GROWING AND THE NEEDS ON THIS BUILDING ARE GROWING.

IS THIS BUILDING LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEEDS LONG-TERM? THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE GOT TO TELL ME, WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT.

>> OUTSIDE FACTORS THAT WOULD AFFECT THAT ARE OTHER PROJECTS LIKE CIVIC CENTER PROJECT, IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN, UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS ALTHOUGH IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE RIGHT SCOPE AND PRICE TAG.

INFLATION IS GOING TO BE A VARIABLE, AND THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THAT HAVE MUCH BETTER HANDLE ON THAT.

YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, AMONG THE FRONT OF THAT LIST.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS ARE GOING TO PLAY IN THERE AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FORWARD.

WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE MORE DETAIL ON THE SHORT-TERM RENOVATION OR REPAIR COSTS.

THE LONG-TERM INNOVATION COSTS AT CITY HALL, BUT WE DIDN'T FOCUS ON HARDWARE ON THIS CONVERSATION.

>> NO.

>> JERRY, I WAS NOT GETTING ALL OF THAT THAT YOU SAID AT FIRST.

I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU TO REPEAT SOME OF THAT.

[NOISE] WE'RE GOING TO RUN THROUGH THAT LIST OF TEN THINGS OR HOW MANY THINGS RIGHT HERE AND JUST TELL ME, ABSOLUTELY IT MUST BE DONE.

COULD YOU QUICKLY DO THAT AGAIN?

>> ON THE SHORT-TERM REPAIR IT'D BE BULLET NUMBER 2.

>> OKAY.

>> BULLET NUMBER 4.

>> THANK YOU.

>> FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND ON BULLET NUMBER 6, BULLET NUMBER 8, AND APPROXIMATELY, A MILLION ON BULLET NUMBER 9, AND ESTIMATED 400,000 ON BULLET NUMBER 10.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THERE WOULD BE ADA COMPLIANCE, PROJECTS, BOILER, CHILLER, COOLING TOWER, STORAGE TANK, SOME SYSTEM, ALL THAT, GENERATOR, IT COSTS, TEMPORARY RELOCATION COSTS, AND ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING COSTS.

>> VERY HELPFUL.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THE FRONT ENTRANCE UPGRADES?

>> THE FRONT ENTRY UPGRADES, WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE, LIKE THE STEPS, LIKE THE FAILED SEWER MANHOLE COVER, OUT IN THE DRIVE AND SOME OTHER THINGS WITH MORE LONG-TERM REPAIR THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.

BUT WE WOULD NOT BE DOING THE AWNING AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT

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>> WE'RE STILL GOING TO SPEND ABOUT $200,000 ON REPAIRS.

JUST TO REPAIR WHAT YOU'VE GOT THERE. YEAH.

>> BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE AN ADA-COMPLIANT THOUGH.

>> NO IT WILL.

>> IT IS CURRENTLY ADA-COMPLIANT.

FROM THE PLAZA, THE RAMP COMES FROM THERE.

>> THE ENTRY IS ADA-COMPLIANT.

THE MAIN ENTRY ON THE FRONT.

OTHER ENTRIES ARE NOT.

ACTUALLY, THE WEST ENTRY IS.

>> IT IS.

>> BUT THE RESTROOMS AND SOME OF THE INTERIOR SPACES ARE NOT.

>> CORRECT.

>> DO YOU-ALL NEED A MINUTE TO DIGEST? YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS?

>> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> SURE.

>> HOW MANY RESTROOMS ARE WE REMODELING?

>> YOU WOULD END UP REMODELING ACTUALLY ALL FOUR OF THEM.

THE PROBLEM IS IS THE PLUMBING OF COURSE, IS INTERCONNECTED FROM FLOOR TO FLOOR TO FLOOR, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL FOUR FLOORS REGARDLESS.

EVEN THOUGH THE SECOND LEVEL IS ADA COMPLIANT, IT WAS A PATCH THAT IT WOULD LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOUR NEW ONES WOULD LOOK LIKE, SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING ALL FOUR OF THEM WHEN WE DO THEM.

>> THE REASON THAT THAT WORKS OUT SO MUCH PER UNIT WOULD BE BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL PLUMBING BETWEEN THE FLOORS?

>> YES.

>> THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A RESTROOM?

>> YEAH. BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEW FIXTURES, NEW DIVIDER PANELS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT NEW SINKS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SINKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PLACED IN.

ALL OF THE RESTROOMS WOULD HAVE AN ADA SINK AS WELL AS THE STANDARDS.

YOU WOULD GO FROM WHERE SOME OF THESE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR COMMODES, YOU'LL BE GOING INTO THREE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE PLUMBING OVER TO GET THE ADA SPACE.

THE TURNING RADIUSES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED INSIDE THERE.

THEN WITH ALL OF THAT TORN APART, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK WITH A NEW FINISHING IN THERE OF SOME SORT.

WE FIGURED TILE IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S MORE DURABLE.

BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT COST PER UNIT PER FLOOR.

THAT'S VERY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE PAID AT PD ON THAT RE-MODEL.

>> ON THE CHILLER BOILER COOLING, I GUESS THAT'D BE BULLET POINT NUMBER 4.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OPTIONS TO DO LIKE AN INLINE PUMP AND BYPASS THAT OLD TANK AND THEN SET A TANK JUST IN THE BASEMENT UP ABOVE GRADE?

>> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS, I DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOWN IN THE BASEMENT TO DO ONE THERE.

CURRENTLY THE FOOTPRINT THEN IN THE BASEMENT, I COULD ABANDON ONE, BUT THAT THROWS ALL THE RISK ON ONE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO, SO IT THROWS ALL THE RISK ON ONE.

IN SOME OCCASIONS, ONE IS NOT ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE DAILY FUNCTION INSIDE THE CITY HALL.

THAT'S ONE REASON WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT NOW.

THAT SECTION OVER THERE IN THE IT WHERE THAT FLOODED, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT WHAT'S THE OPTION THERE? CAN WE GO IN THERE AND SOCKET THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS I'VE GOT TO SHUT DOWN IT WHEN I DO THAT, SHUT DOWN ALL OF THOSE SYSTEMS. THEN SAW CUT A HOLE IN THE FLOOR AND THEN PUT A PUMP SYSTEM TO PUMP IT OVER TO THOSE OTHER TWO TANKS.

>> LOT OF LOGISTICS THERE I KNOW.

[NOISE] A 100 TO $200,000 TO REDO THE STEPS OUT FRONT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

>> RIGHT.

>> I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A $910,000 TICKET POTENTIALLY THERE, BUT JUST FOR THE STEPS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE FALL HAZARD, 100 TO 200 SOMEWHERE IN THERE?

>> YEAH. WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT MR. STANLEY, IS PROBABLY GO IN THERE AND SAW CUT OUT THE FIRST FOUR STEPS.

AT THE LOWER ELEVATION, THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE BIGGEST CONCRETE FAILURE.

TAKE THOSE OUT COMPLETELY, REPORT THOSE AND RE-TILE.

>> THE GENERATOR IMPROVEMENT.

I KNOW YOU WENT OVER THAT WITH ME THE $500,000 FOR SOMETHING LARGE ENOUGH TO FUNCTION THERE.

GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH CURRENT COST, IF WE BUILT A NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING, CAN WE ESTIMATE SOMEWHERE AROUND 250 TO $300 PER SQUARE FOOT ON 80,000 SQUARE FEET? THAT'D BE 20 MILLION TO $24 MILLION DOLLARS SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

>> YOU'RE CLOSE TO THAT AND THEN YOU ADD IN YOUR FF&E, THAT BUMPS THAT NUMBER UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF YOUR FURNITURE AND THE OTHER NUMBER THAT'S NOT ROLLED INTO THAT COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS YOUR IT NUMBER DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IT STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE.

THE CURRENT NUMBER THAT WE REPRESENTED TO YOU ON THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING AT THE LAST PRESENTATION HAD ALL OF THAT INCLUDED.

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>> OKAY.

>> WITH THE 250-300, POSSIBLY 325 ONCE YOU LOAD IN FF&E, WOULD THAT INCLUDE DEMO AND UTILITY RELOCATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT?

>> NO. THAT'S A TOTAL SEPARATE.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.

A PARKING LOT, DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE, DOWNTOWN STANDARDS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE, THAT'S BASICALLY RUNNING BETWEEN 200 AND $250,000 PER BLOCK PHASE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE BLOCK PHASES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE DOING STREETSCAPE AS WELL.

>> ALL I'M DOING JUST TO BE REAL UP FRONT, IS LAYING OUT DIFFERENT COMMON SENSE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THE WAY OF, WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, LOTS OF VARIABLES AND A MOVING TARGET IN A VOLATILE MARKET.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, IF WE HAD A PLACE AND I HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED ONE WHERE WE HAD A BIG OPEN SPACE AND WE WANTED TO BUILD A NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING, WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE $10 MILLION LESS TO DO A NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING WITH EVERYTHING BRAND NEW, NO LOGISTICAL ISSUES, NO DOWNTIME ON MOVING THE FAMILY FROM ONE HOME TO THE NEXT, SO TO SPEAK, AND STILL SAVE $10 MILLION OF OUR TAXPAYERS.

MONEY HERE IS OUR REVENUE.

REMODELLING THIS STRUCTURE AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS AND BRINGING IT TOTALLY UP TO WHERE WE WANT TO GET ANOTHER 30-50 YEARS OUT OF THIS, BECOMES LESS AND LESS DESIRABLE AS WE LOOK AT MORE AND MORE OPTIONS.

NOW, IN THE SAME BREATH, I'M SAYING THAT IF WE LOOK AT THE AMARILLO HARDWARE STORE, THE SAME WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CRITICALLY, IS IT SMART TO MOVE OVER THERE? WELL, IS IT SMART TO MOVE THERE? I'M NOT SAYING THAT I KNOW, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

THAT'S A $35 MILLION TICKET AND COMES WITH A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT [NOISE] WE DON'T KNOW HERE.

I THINK YOU HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING OVER THERE AND THE STRUCTURE AND THE BONES OF THAT SYSTEM OR THAT BUILDING.

BUT [NOISE] LOOKING AT THIS, I'M JUST LAYING OUT THE OPTIONS IN THE WAY OF WE ARE LEARNING MORE THE MORE WE DIG AND I KNOW I'M LEARNING MORE.

HOPEFULLY THE CITIZENS ARE AS WELL.

I KNOW A LOT OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU WALK IT AGAIN.

BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT.

MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, AS THE AMARILLO HARDWARE RELOCATION HAS BEEN THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE LOOKED AT IN LIKE POTENTIALLY AN OPTION.

THAT'S A THREE-YEAR LOOKOUT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD TAKE THAT LONG TO DO THAT JOB.

NO. I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A TWO-YEAR PROJECT.

>> TWO YEAR PROJECT. ONE MORE TIME, IF I'M LOOKING AT $6.3 MILLION AS WE ADDED UP WHAT WE HAD HERE, JARED ON [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]

>> 6.5-8.6 IS WHAT I HEARD. THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN.

>> I HEARD 6.3 AND THAT WAS JUST WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE STAIRS AND SOME THINGS.

I'M PROBABLY CUT AND A FEW THINGS.

SIX MILLION PLUS.

WE'RE NOT SAYING WE NEED TO SPEND SIX MILLION DOLLARS TO STAY HERE FOR THREE YEARS.

WHAT ARE WE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO SPEND TO STAY HERE FOR 2-3 YEARS, WHILE WE DECIDE ON THIS PROCESS AND WHILE WE RELOCATE?

>> WELL, BASICALLY ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE PRESENTED TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S ASSUMING THE RISK.

YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE WITH THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS HERE.

I DON'T WANT YOU WALKING INTO THIS WITH YOUR EYES HALF-OPEN OR I'M NOT GIVING YOU THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO, I'M GIVING YOU THE REAL SCENARIO. HERE'S WHERE YOU'RE AT.

IF ANY OF THOSE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS FAIL, I'M SHUTTING DOWN CITY HALL FOR AT LEAST THREE MONTHS.

UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SYSTEMS ALSO ARE 55 YEARS OLD, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE ALL WE CAN TO KEEP THESE THINGS OPERATION.

WE ABSOLUTELY ARE DOING ALL WE CAN TO KEEP THESE OPERATIONAL.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT I CAN'T KEEP IT RUNNING FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT AND I CAN PULL IT OFF.

THERE'S SO MUCH OF THIS IF THAT CAST-IRON PIPE FAILS, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SHUT DOWN CITY HALL BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE RAW SEWAGE INSIDE TO CITY HALL, SO I'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT.

THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT, IS I'M TELLING YOU THESE ARE THESE ARE THE RISKS YOU GOT AND THIS EQUIPMENT IS AT THE END OF ITS LIFE.

>> THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE FACILITY RUNNING WITHOUT ANY CATASTROPHIC FAILURES FOR THE PERIOD THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT, WHETHER IT'S AMARILLO HARDWARE, WHEREVER.

BUT WE ARE AS TIME GOES FORWARD, OUR RISK, AND I DON'T KNOW THE STEEPNESS OF THE SLOPE, OUR RISK GOES UP.

I THINK THAT'S A LOGICAL ASSUMPTION.

THE HOPE IS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND A TERRIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO REPAIR FAILURES OR TO ADDRESS ANY CHALLENGES THAT HAPPENED DURING THAT PERIOD.

WE ESTIMATE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR,

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IT WOULD BE LIKE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MOVING ALL AT ONCE TO A NEW FACILITY WITHOUT ANY IMPACT ON CURRENT FACILITY RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION.

NOW, WE MAY HAVE A CHILLER ISSUE OR A BOILER ISSUE OR OTHER BIOSOLIDS OR BIOMATERIAL DOWN IN THE BASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL COSTS.

WE WOULD TRY TO MANAGE THAT JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING AND BAND-AIDING THINGS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A PLAN CERTAIN ON CITY HALL ON A DEPARTURE DATE, WE PROBABLY WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN THAT 6-8 MILLION DOLLAR RANGE, JUST DO ENOUGH THINGS TO ADDRESS CITY HALL FOR THAT SHORTER BUT INDETERMINATED PERIOD OF TIME.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THOSE PROJECTS WOULD GET US IN THIS FACILITY, BUT THEY WOULD DEFINITELY GET US FURTHER ALONG THAN WHAT THE PLAN IS RIGHT NOW TO HOPEFULLY GET US FAR ENOUGH DOWN THE ROAD TO MOVE.

>> I THINK THE BEST EXAMPLE TRULY IS THE BOILER SYSTEM.

WE CAME WITHIN TWO DAYS OF A CATASTROPHE HERE.

HAD WE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING, WE WOULD HAVE FROZE EVERY LINE INSIDE THIS BUILDING.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT THROUGH.

I HAD TOO MANY OTHER STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE WERE IN THAT SCENARIO.

THE ADC BUILDING THAT WE BOUGHT FOR [INAUDIBLE] , WE HAD 22 SPACE HEATERS INSIDE THAT BUILDING TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM FREEZE AND IT STILL FROZE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE 80,000 SQUARE FOOT IF I COULDN'T HAVE GOT IT IN HERE.

I DID CHECK TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY BOILER SYSTEM JUST AS A POINT OF FACT TO SEE IF WE COULD GET AN EMERGENCY HEAT SYSTEM IN HERE JUST IN CASE.

WE WERE TOLD IT WAS 30 DAYS OUT AND IT WAS GOING TO COST US RIGHT AT $48,000 A MONTH TO SET IT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.

>> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING ON THAT ONE.

IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF JERRY'S CRYSTAL BALL OR SOMETHING, BUT HE CAME TO ME TO SUGGEST AND PROPOSE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO PULL THAT BOILER FROM THE CIVIC CENTER AND PUT IT OVER IN CITY HALL.

BUT THAT WAS A GOOD SIX WEEKS TO A MONTH BEFORE THAT FREEZE ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING. HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING, BUT JUST HAPPENED TO FINISH THAT RELOCATION A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE IT HAPPENED.

LUCKY OR JERRY BEING SMART, ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS TRUE.

BUT IT DOES ILLUSTRATE A NARROWLY DODGED BULLET ALMOST IN A MATRIX STYLE.

>> SO IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WOULD BE, YOU COULD SPEND A MILLION TO TWO MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, 2-3 YEARS, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER ELSE WE'RE DOING, IF WE HAD SOME THINGS THAT CONTINUE TO TREND THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX MILLION DOLLARS TO WANT TO STAY HERE FOR A WHILE.

>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MUCH NO MATTER WHAT.

>> SURE.

>> IF YOU WANT TO TRY, IS THE RISK REWARD DEAL.

AGAIN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THE DICE AND I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING TO KEEP IT FUNCTIONAL AT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COST.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE ELSE IS SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT SPENDING $33 MILLION TO RENOVATE AND TOTALLY REFURBISH THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING NOT YET.

>> JERRY, JUST TO CLARIFY THE NUMBERS THAT I THOUGHT WE HAD SEEN BEFORE WERE 28 MILLION TO DO WHAT WAS NEEDED IN EXISTING CITY HALL, 31 MILLION TO RENOVATE AMARILLO HARDWARE.

HAVE YOU GOT UPDATED NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU JUST NOW SAID 33 TO STAY HERE AND 35 FOR AMARILLO HARDWARE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. I'M LOOKING AT THE HIGH SIDE HERE IF THEY'RE [OVERLAPPING]

>> HE'S LOOKING AT THE HIGH SIDE NUMBERS.

IF WE JUST REPLACE LIKE FOR LIKE, IF WE DON'T MODERNIZE, AND I'LL USE THE CHILLER SYSTEM AS EXAMPLE.

IF YOU TELL ME AS THE CITY COUNCIL WE'RE STAYING IN THIS BUILDING, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A CHILLER.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE WHAT I DID IN THE SIMMS BUILDING, WHICH IS A MULTI-SYSTEM, WHICH IF THE CHILLER GOES DOWN, I'M COMPLETELY DOWN.

IF I DO A MULTI-SYSTEM, A MULTI-SYSTEM HAS MULTIPLE COMPRESSORS, MULTIPLE FAN COOLS.

I CAN LOSE A SECTION AND STILL KEEP 80 PERCENT OF THE BUILDING OPERATIONAL.

I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE KINDS OF OPTIONS.

IF YOU SAY THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LIVE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THEN I'M GOING TO BRING YOU THE BEST OPTIONS.

THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE REFLECTED IN FRONT OF YOU GIVE YOU BOTH THE CHEAPEST VERSION AND SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS IF WE GO TO A DIFFERENT STYLE AND YOU SAY, THIS IS THE BUILDING I WANT.

>> THEN IN THAT SAME LINE OF THINKING, YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING SOME STRUCTURAL REPAIRS THAT YOU'RE FOREWARNING US OF. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL NUMBERS INCLUDED IN THEM.

>> THIRTY THREE MILLION COULD GROW, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE ON WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN TAKE WITH US.

IF WE WERE CONSERVATIVE AND WE SAID, HEY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND BUY A $500,000 GENERATOR,

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[OVERLAPPING] SAME WAY IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP SOME STORAGE TANK, IN LINE SOME PUMPS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE CATASTROPHIC ISSUE SO WE'RE NOT CAUGHT.

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY.

>> YEAH. WE HAVE THOSE CONTINGENCIES IN PLACE.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE QUICKLY.

JARED AND I TALK ABOUT THAT QUITE FRANKLY.

IF THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT TO DO.

WE'RE AWARE OF IT.

WE KNOW THESE PROBLEMS EXIST.

WE KNOW THE AGE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE KNOW WE'RE AT THE END OF THE LIFE ON A LOT OF THESE COMPONENTS.

WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR STATEMENT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT, MR. STANLEY IS YES, IF WE STAY IN THIS BUILDING, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT $6-$8 MILLION NO MATTER WHAT AND THAT'S WITHOUT REFURBISHING ANYTHING IN THE BUILDING THAT'S JUST TO KEEP THE HEARTBEAT GOING.

PAST THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A NEW STRUCTURE AND WE'RE TALKING A TOTAL DIFFERENT DESIGN AND A TOTAL DIFFERENT FUNCTION IN THAT NEW BUILDING THAT WOULD MEET CURRENT ENERGY CODES.

THE REASON THAT THE AMARILLO HARDWARE BUILDING'S EASY TO LOOK AT, IT'S STRICTLY A SHELL.

THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

EVERYTHING'S EXPOSED.

THERE'S NO WALLS HARDLY AT ALL.

WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING INSIDE THERE.

IN THIS BUILDING, WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE START DOING DEMOLITION.

I CAN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT'S BEHIND THE WALLS AND THE REST ROOMS HERE AT THIS BUILDING.

HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT AN OLD FACILITIES EMPLOYEE, BUT [LAUGHTER].

>> ALL THAT MONEY WE NEED TO THINK PARKS AND RICK [LAUGHTER] WE'RE GOING TO FIND KASHUBA KNOCKING HOLES IN WALLS [LAUGHTER].

JERRY, INFLATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT.

THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO REALLY BOIL THAT DOWN, BUT THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE GIVING US, HOW HAVE YOU ACCOUNTED FOR WHAT WE THINK IS AN ONCOMING OF INFLATION?

>> THESE NUMBERS HERE ON THESE, I THINK WE'RE VERY CLOSE ON THESE, AND I THINK MR. STANLEY'S IN HIS BUSINESS REALIZES THAT TOO.

WE'RE VERY CLOSE ON THESE RIGHT NOW.

WHEN WE'RE WATCHING THE TRENDS RIGHT NOW AND I WATCHED THOSE TRENDS VERY CLOSELY, WE'RE LOOKING AT STEEL NUMBERS.

STEEL NUMBERS HAVE PLATEAUED.

THEY'RE LOOKING IF THE TARIFFS DROP-OFF AT WHICH THEY'RE PUSHING.

THE TARIFFS DROP-OFF.

WE COULD STILL SEE STEEL PRICES FALL ANOTHER 12 PERCENT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEARS, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME NUMBERS STARTING TO COME BACK DOWN BECAUSE THE SUPPLY CHAINS WILL BE FILLING BACK UP.

A LOT OF THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE FEDS.

I DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I AM LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS FAR AS LUMBER NUMBERS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THEN CONCRETE, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE IT TREND DOWN.

I THINK CONCRETE HISTORICALLY WHEN IT RISES, IT STAYS UP THERE, IT DOESN'T GO BACK DOWN.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT BULK COMMODITIES LIKE STEEL, ANY KIND OF POLY PRODUCTS, ALL OF THOSE WILL FOLLOW THE MARKETS.

RIGHT NOW THE MARKETS ARE LOOKING LIKE THE SUPPLY CHAINS ARE FILLING UP.

WE SHOULD START SEEING IT.

IT'LL STAY HIGH THROUGH THE SUMMER AND I THINK WE'LL START SEEING IT TREND DOWN LATE THIS FALL, EARLY WINTER.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT INFLATION WITH REGARD TO THESE NUMBERS?

>> I AGREE WITH JERRY.

I THINK THAT SOME OF THE MOST LOGICAL, WELL-THOUGHT-OUT EXPLAINED ECONOMISTS OUT THERE THAT MAKE IT EASY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND IS WE ARE SEEING THE EFFECT OF GREED.

WE ARE SEEING SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE OVERLOADED ON THEIR SUPPLY.

THEY ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN.

WE WILL SEE A CORRECTION.

WE THINK THAT IN THE FALL AND OVER THE WINTER, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EVERYTHING START TO TREND DOWNWARD.

NOW WITH LABOR AND INFLATION AND COST OF LIVING AND DIFFERENT GOODS THAT AREN'T CONSTRUCTION RELATED, WE THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO DRIVE THE COST BACK UP AND SO IF WE SEE A LITTLE BUMP AND A BOUNCE, THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING 2-3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL.

IF WE HAD THE SHOVEL READY AND WE CAN PUT IT IN THE GROUND YESTERDAY, WE WANT TO DO THAT AS WE LOOK OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

IF WE'RE LOOKING 2-3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE WANT TO BE WAY MORE CAUTIOUS AND CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE WE MAY REALLY GET HIT ON THE TAIL END OF A LOT OF THOSE REALLY HIGH INFLATED COSTS.

>> COUNCIL, HERE'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE THEN.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS. I'M HEARING A LOT FROM CITIZENS.

WELL, NOT A LOT, BUT A FEW CITIZENS HAVE REACHED OUT, SAID WE WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS COUNCIL HAS GONE THROUGH AND BE PART OF THIS DECISION.

I'M WANTING TO GET INPUT FROM YOU GUYS.

IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM,

[02:15:01]

THEN WE COULD HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT CITY HALL.

IS THAT AN APPROACH THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE? WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, THEN I THINK PART 2 IS TELLING JARED, WHEN DO WE WANT TO DO A MEETING TO DECIDE ON THIS AS A COUNCIL? THERE IS TIME URGENCY IN THE INFORMATION THAT JERRY HAS PRESENTED US.

THERE'S MARKET URGENCY IN MAKING A DECISION ON DO WE GO NOW OR DO WE WAIT? SO I THINK THAT JARED NEEDS SOME GUIDANCE FROM US AS A COUNCIL ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE FEELING URGENCY TO MOVE AND HOW, AND WHEN WE WANT TO ENGAGE CITIZENS ON IT.

YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR THINKING ON THAT? HOWARD?

>> YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING TO AMARILLO HARDWARE?

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN DO YOU-ALL WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION? I THINK WE ARE DOWN TO OPTIONS.

OPTIONS ARE STAY HERE, MAKE THE BARE MINIMUM REPAIRS.

STAY HERE, MAKE SOME LONGER TERM REPAIRS.

STAY HERE, DO IT ALL.

MOVE TO ANOTHER FACILITY.

THE OTHER FACILITY THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED WAS AMARILLO HARDWARE.

BUT IF ANY OF YOU WANT THE CITY TO LOOK AT ANOTHER OPTION, NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY THAT.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A MOVE.

WHAT I'M HEARING ON THIS BUILDING, AND I HEAR THE COST OF AMARILLO HARDWARE.

THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO THAT DIRECTION.

NOW WHETHER WE HAVE A MEETING TO GET PUBLIC INPUT, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

[INAUDIBLE] BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY.

>> I HEAR THAT YOU'RE HERE IN URGENCY.

>> YES.

>> OKAY.

>> WELL, I RESPECT WHERE HOWARD'S COMING FROM, AND I RESPECT THE TIME, ENERGY, AND EFFORT FROM ANY OF OUR INVOLVEMENT FROM OUR CITIZENS.

WITH THAT, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING HIM SAY IS IF WE HAVE A DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH FOR, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

UNLESS, WE ARE WILLING TO LISTEN AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE ALL COME TO, WE'RE ALL GOING TO ENTERTAIN.

EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW IS ON THE TABLE, AND THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A CERTAIN DIRECTIVE RIGHT NOW.

IF WE ALREADY DO HAVE A DIRECTIVE, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN STEPS IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.

I DON'T WANT TO OFFER UP THAT AS AN OPTION TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN IT FEEL LIKE WE WERE DEAF.

I'M SAYING THAT IN A REAL RESPECTFUL WAY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN THE WRONG WAY.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF HE FEELS URGENCY ABOUT THAT AND I WANT TO PUSH THE BRAKE PEDAL, THEN WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE THAT AMONGST OURSELVES I THINK BEFORE WE WOULD TRY TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER TO HELP US.

>> DO YOU WANT TO PUSH THE BRAKE PEDAL? DO YOU WANT GO NEXT, JUST SHARING YOUR THINKING?

>> I DO AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONTINUING TO GO BACK OVER THIS.

BUT EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT'S BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

WE'VE NOTICED A TREND ON SOME OF OUR COST INCREASING AS WE'RE ESTIMATING.

WE'VE ALSO NOTICED A FEW OTHER GOOD THINGS COME OUT, EVERYTHING FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION BEING A POTENTIAL OPTION, AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

I THINK IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE A COMMUNITY SOLUTION CONVERSATION AS LONG AS IT IS PRODUCTIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE CAN SHOW AND THAT WE ARE ENTERTAINING ALL OPTIONS.

>> BACK THAT UP AND LET ME JUST ASK ABOUT, ARE YOU FEELING URGENCY ABOUT THIS PROJECT? LET ME FRAME IT THAT WAY SINCE WE WORKED OFF OF AN URGENCY TYPE OF COMMENT TO THE LEFT.

>> ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I THINK THE REALISTIC SIDE IS IT'S A THREE-YEAR DEAL.

I THINK A LOT OF YOUR COST WILL BE WITHIN THAT THIRD YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE COULD PREPAY AND PREBUY FOR.

I THINK MY URGENCY COMES IN LOOKING AT A INFLATED CORRECTION AFTER A DOWNTURN.

HOPEFULLY, WE WILL REALIZE SOME COST DECREASED AS IT'S PERTAINING TO CONSTRUCTION.

BUT I THINK MY NERVOUSNESS COMES IN 2-3 YEARS FROM NOW.

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BECAUSE OF THE DURATION OF THIS PROJECT, I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE CAUTIOUS.

>> JERRY, WHEN WOULD WE BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION? JUST TO PLAY OFF WITH THAT COMMENT.

>> IN CONVERSATIONS WITH GERRARD, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD USE THE SAME FORMAT THAT WE USED WHEN WE BUILT THE IMPASSE.

WE ENTER IN WITH THE ARCHITECT, WE SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THEM, WE GET TO 30-35 PERCENT DESIGN DOCUMENTS WITH THE GMP, AND THEN WE LOCK UP A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AS A CMAR, JUST LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE IMPASSE.

ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR TO NEGOTIATE WITH BOTH THE CITY AND WITH THE ARCHITECT IN THAT DESIGN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THAT APPROVED BUDGET AND DELIVER ACCORDINGLY.

I THINK DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACTS, I THINK WE COULD MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY ON IT.

>> FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, TO ADDRESS JERRY'S ACRONYMS, WE WOULD BRING ON THE ARCHITECT, START DESIGN, GET TO 35 PERCENT OR 40 PERCENT DESIGN DOCUMENTS, BRING ON THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, THE CMAR, HAVE THEM HELP US GET THROUGH COMPLETION OF DESIGN USING BUILDABILITY AS ONE OF THEIR PRIMARY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PROCESS, WHICH MAKES IT A CHEAPER PROJECT OVERALL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE DESIGN THAT DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BUILDABILITY.

THEN YOU BUILD THINGS, YOU REALIZE YOU GOT TO MAKE A CORRECTION.

THERE'S CHANGE ORDERS AND THINGS THAT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEAL A LESS EXPENSIVE PROJECT THROUGH A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK DELIVERY STYLE.

THEN ONCE THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF THE PROJECT, YOU ESTABLISH THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, WHICH IS THE GMP, THEN YOU GO FORWARD, AND DO THE PROJECT.

YOU CAN EVEN BE REFINING FINAL DESIGN DOCUMENTS WHILE YOU'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR FUTURE PHASES OF THE PROJECT.

ALLOWS YOU TO MOVE FASTER, ALLOWS YOU TO BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT THAN DESIGN-BID-BUILD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> COLE, AM I HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOU THINK THIS BUILDING'S FUTURE IS NOT THE RIGHT INVESTMENT? I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, CAN YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? I THINK YOU BRING A LOT OF VALUE TO THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOUR INDUSTRY EXPERTISE.

>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY SENTIMENTAL TIES TO THIS BUILDING.

I THINK IF WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE SAID, LOOK 50 YEARS FROM NOW, WE WANT TO STILL BE IN THIS BUILDING, AND HAVE GOTTEN ALL OUR MONEY OUT OF IT.

IT'LL COST US ANOTHER $40 MILLION.

I WOULD RATHER SPEND $24 MILLION AND HAVE A 50-YEAR NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

THAT'S AN EASY ANSWER IF THAT WAS THE CHOICE BEFORE ME.

>> THAT'S A STEWARDSHIP ANSWER.

>> RIGHT. THAT IS NOT THE CHOICE BEFORE ME.

WITH A VOLATILE MARKET, [NOISE] WITH OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, PARKS AND REC DID A GREAT JOB OF GIVING US A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW DIRE WE ARE IN NEED OF TAKING CARE OF THOSE ITEMS. CAN WE AFFORD TO RUSH THIS PROCESS, HURRY ALONG, PICK SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD BE $10 MILLION, $15 MILLION MORE THAN WE HAD TO SPEND, AND NOT HAVE THAT $10 OR $15 MILLION TO PUT INTO PARKS AND REC? IN FACTORING THE OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT AND COST TO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON IN A BUDGET FROM A CUMULATIVE STANDPOINT, I THINK IT PAYS TO GO SLOWER AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE OPTIONS.

>> SPEND THE $7 MILLION? I SEE THE SLIDE THAT SAID MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, WHICH JERRY SAID, IF ANY ONE OF THESE GOES DOWN, [NOISE] CITY HALL OPERATIONS WILL SHUT DOWN.

HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT?

>> I WOULD NOT FEEL LIKE I STEWARDED THE MONEY POORLY IF I SPENT $2 MILLION OF THE CITIZENS' MONEY TO PUT IN A NEW GENERATOR, TAKE CARE OF OUR BOILER ISSUE TO THE BEST OF OUR EXTENT, GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE STEPS UPFRONT FOR OUR SAFETY HAZARD, AND THEN POTENTIALLY INVEST SOME MONEY IN A MASSIVE SUMP PUMP SYSTEM THAT COULD PUMP THAT BASEMENT OUT TO WHERE IT COULDN'T GET MORE THAN THREE INCHES OF WATER IN IT.

IF I WERE TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND GET MYSELF IN A PLACE WHERE I'VE AVOIDED THE CATASTROPHIC RISK, THEN I THINK THAT'S MONEY WELL SPENT.

IN SAYING THAT, I MAY HAVE ONLY SPENT A MILLION OF THE $2 MILLION BECAUSE I MAY SELL ALL THAT EQUIPMENT LATER ON THE MARKET, OR I MAY REUSE IT, OR IT MAY BECOME AN ASSET FOR THE CITY LONG-TERM.

>> WALK US THROUGH WHERE YOU GOT THAT $2 MILLION NUMBER.

>> IF WE GO BACK HERE TO MY LAST PAGE ON MY CHEAT SHEET.

>> RENOVATION COSTS.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> I WOULDN'T DO ANY OF THE REMODEL OF THE SPACES.

>> YOU WON'T DO THE REST ROOMS,

[02:25:01]

>> TRIP OVER WHEN I HAVE TO WALK OUT FRONT, [LAUGHTER] I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I WOULDN'T DO THE ADA REST ROOMS BECAUSE UNTIL WE DO MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE HERE, WE'RE NOT TRIGGERING UPON OURSELVES ANYTHING THAT WE HOLD OUR PUBLIC TO.

I, AS A CONTRACTOR, DON'T UPDATE YOUR REST ROOMS IF I'M REMODELING LESS THAN 50 PERCENT OF YOUR BUSINESS.

BECAUSE OF THAT, THEN WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

I WOULD JUST STAY IN COMPLIANCE AND BE OKAY WITH THAT.

I WOULDN'T DO THE ELEVATORS BECAUSE THEY FUNCTION.

I THINK WE HAVE OTHER ELEVATORS THAT MAY BE IN MORE NEED ELSEWHERE IN TOWN.

THE CHILLER BOILER, COOLING TOWER, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AN ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANK, SOME INLINE PUMP, AND A FEW OTHER NEEDS THERE FOR HOPEFULLY A MILLION TOO.

NOW I'M SPECULATING, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OUT AND DO SOME HOMEWORK, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M VOLUNTEERING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO YOUR JOB VERY WELL.

I'M NOT TRYING TO DO YOUR JOB, BUT I AM A SPECULATOR, SO I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME GO.

>> INSTEAD OF THREE, THAT COVERS THE CHILLER, THAT COVERS EVERYTHING IN YOUR $1-2 MILLION?

>> ONE TO 1.2 FRONT ENTRANCE UPGRADES, I'D SPEND $100,000 ON THE STEPS.

I'M A DEMO ALL THE TILE AND JUST LOSE IT ALL.

JUST POUR CONCRETE OUT THERE AND LEAVE CONCRETE.

WINDOW LIGHTING SECURITY, I WOULDN'T DO ANY OF THOSE OTHER THAN THE GENERATOR.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT $500,000 GENERATOR IS PROBABLY $400,000 WORTH OF VALUE A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW IF WE NEEDED TO SELL IT, IF WE NEVER USED IT.

THEN IT COSTS, I'M NOT ADDRESSING THOSE FOR YOU.

I'M JUST PREVENTING WATER FROM DAMAGING YOUR IT BY PROBABLY PUTTING IN, I DON'T KNOW, JERRY, YOU THINK COUPLE $100,000 FOR A MASSIVE SUMP PUMP AND SOMETHING THAT COULD BE READILY FIXED THAT COULD PUMP OUT THAT BASEMENT AND KEEP UP?

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM THE STORM OR FROM THE COLLAPSING STORY LINES?

>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE INSURANCE FOR A REASON.

IF WE HAD AN INSURANCE CLAIM, WE MAY ACTUALLY BE IN A BETTER POSITION ONE TIME IF WE HAD A MASSIVE FLOOD.

BUT IN THE WAY OF TAKING CARE OF OUR CITY AND KEEPING EVERYTHING IN FUNCTIONING. [OVERLAPPING].

>> BAD NEWS THERE. [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE THE CITY IS SELF-INSURED [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE WE HAVE REFUSED ALL THE PREMIUMS ON.

>> WE DO HAVE FACILITIES INSURANCE AND THE DEDUCTIBLE.

LAURA, CAN YOU HIT US, OR IS WES IN HERE.

>> YEAH, WES IS HERE.

>> WES, CAN YOU COME UP HERE AND HIT US WITH THE DEDUCTIBLE STUFF FROM THAT.

>> WHILE HE'S WALKING UP, ALL I'M TALKING ABOUT IS IF A TORNADO TAKES THE ENTIRE BUILDING, WE HAVE SOME CATASTROPHIC COVERAGE, I BELIEVE.

>> YES.

>> WE DO. WE HAVE VARIOUS DEDUCTIBLES THOUGH.

IF YOU'RE TALKING WIND AND HAIL, IT'S FIVE PERCENT TOTAL INSURED VALUE OF THE BUILDING, SO IT'S A BIG DEDUCTIBLE.

>> IT'S A BIG DEDUCTIBLE. [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE CITY HALL IS 20 MILLION.

>> THE FLOOD INSURANCE IS 250,000-$50 MILLION.

BUT YOU CAN'T CLAIM FLOOD FOR THE SEWER THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.

IF IT'S RAIN, WE WOULD BE OKAY.

>> I JUST [NOISE] WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE DEDUCTIBLES ARE GOOFY, GOOFY IS THE WRONG WORD, ARE VERY CHALLENGING [OVERLAPPING] ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS TO THE WIND AND HAIL.

I KNOW YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] FLOODS.

>> SURE.

>> BUT IF A TORNADO WOULD WIPE THE WHOLE BUILDING DOWN, IT'S A DIFFERENT DEDUCTIBLE.

BUT FLOOD FROM A BUSTED SEWER LINE, WE'LL HAVE TO GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY THERE.

>> LET ME ROLL BACK MY COMMENT, BECAUSE ALL I'M DOING IS JUST SHOWING YOU MY MASSIVE EXPERTISE IN DEDUCTIBLES AS THEY PERTAIN TO INSURANCE FOR LARGE STRESS.

[NOISE] I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMPLICATED.

I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT THAT IS MY PLAN.

MY PLAN IS TO PUT IN [NOISE] A COMMON SENSE, PRACTICES THAT WILL HOPEFULLY MINIMIZE, IF NOT ELIMINATE.

SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE SAYING ARE THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS TO SPEND THIS MONEY.

ONCE AGAIN, IF WE RAN THIS TOGETHER AND WE SPENT TWO MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT'S JUST A NUMBER I'VE THROWN OUT THERE, DID YOU RUN A TICKET ON WHERE I'M AT?

>> YOU'RE AT TWO MILLION.

>> SO WE'RE CLOSE.

>> YOU'VE THROWN OUT 200,000 FOR A PUMP SYSTEM?

>> YEAH, 250. WHO KNOWS?

>> OKAY.

>> I'M ALREADY OVER BUDGET BUT THAT'S NORMAL IN CONSTRUCTION, JUST LIKE THE OTHER 10 I'M RUNNING.

I'M ENJOYING THE CONVERSATION.

I'M NOT TRYING TO WASTE ANYONE'S TIME.

I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, PROBABLY YOU'VE DONE AS GOOD A JOB AS I CAN TO JUST TELL YOU WHERE MY MIND IS.

NOW THAT BEING SAID, I CARE ABOUT WHERE HOWARD'S MIND IS.

IF HE FEELS DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO, THEN BACK TO THE ISSUE OF DO WE WANT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY SOLUTION MEETING? I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MEETING IF IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE, AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE INSIGHT, AND COMMENTS, AND RESEARCH, AND DISCOVERY IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS INTO PRACTICE AND GO, MAN, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THAT ALL HINGES ON THE URGENCY, I BELIEVE.

[02:30:03]

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

[BACKGROUND] PHASE 3, LET'S WAIT.

LET'S FINISH HEARING FROM.

>> MY URGENCY IS WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED ON THIS A YEAR AGO, WHERE YOU'RE BEHIND.

THAT'S HOW URGENT THIS IS.

DID I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CITY HALL? BEFORE US ON CITY COUNCIL IN 2017, I KNEW NOTHING.

WE ARE A SINGLE DAY AWAY FROM MULTIPLE TIMES OF HAVING TO RELOCATE IT, WHICH SHUTS DOWN OUR CITY, WHICH IS UNCONSCIONABLE.

IT'S THE SAME WAY THAT IT WOULD BE IN MY OWN OFFICE.

IF MY IT GOES DOWN, I'M TOAST.

I CAN'T TURN A HANDPIECE, I CAN'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

YOU SHUT DOWN IT HERE AND YOU SHUT DOWN THE CITY AND YOU'VE GOT BILLING, YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS, YOU'VE GOT CITY SERVICES, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS.

WE CAN'T AFFORD MULTIPLE EVENTS OF THE CITY GOING DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ROLLING THE DICE WITH HERE, IS PATCHING THINGS ALONG AND HOPING FOR A BETTER ECONOMIC DEAL.

I'M AFRAID THAT THE YEARS OF US NOT MOVING FORWARD HAVE NO LONGER AFFORD US THAT ABILITY TO JUST KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO, IS KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN KICK THE CAN ANYMORE.

I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO INCLUDE WHAT THE PUBLIC SEES.

I THINK THE PUBLIC JUST LIKE WITH PARKS AND WRECK, THEY NEED TO SEE THE UGLY PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE SITTING HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND HOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE DON'T NEED TO SIT ON OUR HANDS, WE DON'T NEED TO PUMP THE BREAKS, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT IT IN A LOWER GEAR, WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT CITY HALL.

I DO NOT WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY SHUTTING DOWN ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN ON MY WATCH.

IF WE DON'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CITY HALL AND WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THE DICE, THEN WE'RE TAKING THAT.

THAT'S NOT A RISK THAT I'M WILLING TO TAKE.

WHENEVER YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY THAT GETS LOST AND THE MONEY COST OF SHUTTING DOWN THE CITY, WE WORK TWO DAYS AWAY FROM SHUTTING DOWN CITY HALL, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I THINK THE URGENCY IS REALLY HIGH.

>> OKAY. MS. POWELL.

>> WELL, MAYOR, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE LABORED A CONVERSATION.

I'VE HAD THE URGENCY FROM DAY ONE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT CITY HOME.

I'VE ALREADY VOICED MY OPINION AND SAID IT.

WE'RE DOING ALL OF THESE PATCHES OR STILL WHAT I CALL BAND-AID FIXES, [NOISE] AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYERS DOLLARS TO DO THAT.

EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY, CITY HALL IS DETERIORATING.

EVEN IF WE SPIN $6 MILLION NOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO END UP SPENDING A LOT MORE AS TIME GOES ON.

IN MY OPINION, THE QUICKER WE GET STARTED, THEN MAYBE WE CAN SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN OF HAVING TO REPAIR DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT EVERY WEEK.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, BUT MAYBE EVERY MONTH OR EVERY TWO MONTHS BECAUSE IT'S COMING.

WE HAVE TO TAKE A RISK, AND I KNOW WE TAKE A RISK IN BUSINESS, BUT I ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS LIKE, SO WHY DO I WANT TO TAKE THAT RISK?

>> I THINK I'M IN THE SAME BOAT.

IT FEELS LIKE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

HENRY CLOUD IS A GOOD AUTHOR WHO HAS A BOOK CALLED, A NECESSARY ENDING.

[LAUGHTER] THIS TO ME, FEELS LIKE A NECESSARY ENDING JUST BASED ON THE RISK.

I REMEMBER WHEN JARED CALLED ABOUT WHEN THE BOILER WENT DOWN, HE CALLED AND SAID, I NEED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF SOMETHING.

JERRY HAS A SOLUTION, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT IT.

NONE OF US KNEW THIS GREAT FREEZE WAS COMING, BUT I REMEMBER HAVING THIS TIGHTNESS IN MY STOMACH THINKING, OH GOSH, WHAT IF? I DON'T WANT THAT RISK ANYMORE.

[02:35:05]

PLUMBING THAT WORKS.

ADA ACCESSIBILITY IS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.

I ALSO AM UNCOMFORTABLE SLOWING DOWN.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER SOME DIRECTION THAT WE DO WANT TO MOVE, WHICH MEANS TAKING ACTION.

I WANT TO BACK UP THOUGH AND ASK YOU GUYS, DO YOU WANT TO DO A COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS? I THINK WE MAYBE COULD DO ONE NEXT MONDAY NIGHT.

IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND HEAR THE PRESENTATION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY'S POINT OF LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE IN A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN DEFINED.

WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION TODAY, IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM, BUT I THINK YOU'RE HEARING CONSENSUS TOWARD TAKING ACTION, NOT WAITING, NOT GOING BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

IT WOULD BE MORE OF AN EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS, I THINK, SO THAT THEY COULD ASK QUESTIONS AND HEAR A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ASK STAFF TO DO?

>> YES, I'M DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH DOING THAT, AND THE SOONER, THE BETTER.

I DON'T WANT TO WAIT A MONTH TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.

SO IF WE CAN DO IT NEXT WEEK, THIS WEEK, I'M GOOD.

>> [NOISE] COUNCIL, WOULD WE HAVE AVAILABILITY IF WE SET IT FOR MONDAY NIGHT?

>> I THINK SO.

>> EXCUSE ME.

>> SOD POODLES AREN'T IN TOWN, ARE THEY?

>> NO.

>> THEY ARE IN TOWN.

>> THEY ARE IN TOWN.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING ON MY CALENDAR.

>> OKAY.

>> MONDAY NIGHT WILL BE FINE.

>> MONDAY'S FINE WITH ME.

>> MONDAY'S GOOD WITH ME.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> STANLEY? OKAY.

>> I'M FINE WITH IT.

>> OKAY. OR I'M THINKING MAYBE 6:00-7:00.

>> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

>> THEN JARED TALK TO US ABOUT TIMELINE FOR PUTTING IT THEN IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE CHOOSING AN ARCHITECT.

>> WE ARE READY TO CHOOSE AN ARCHITECT.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH A SELECTION PROCESS USING PURCHASING TO GUIDE THAT PROCESS ON THE ARCHITECT.

WE CAN BRING THAT TO COUNCIL AT ANYTIME AT THIS POINT.

>> OKAY. WELL, [NOISE] COUNCIL, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A CALLED MEETING NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM.

WOULD YOU CHECK YOUR CALENDARS FOR TUESDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK? [NOISE] WE MAY WANT TO JUST PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> TUESDAYS, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> MEETING CONFIRM?

>> YES.

>> AS THE 29TH?

>> YES, SIR. THE 29TH.

>> MAYOR, WHAT WAS THE TIME?

>> ONE O'CLOCK ON TUESDAY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT WOULD BE TO DO AN EMPLOYEE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION ITEM, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BUT WE COULD ALSO ADD THEN THIS ITEM AS AN ACTION ITEM WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL HIRING AN ARCHITECT.

THAT'S THE NEXT STEP AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO FORCE US TO MAKE A DECISION.

IF TIME IS URGENT, THERE IS A TIME OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD GRAB NEXT TUESDAY OR WE COULD PUSH IT.

>> [NOISE] NOT TO EVER BE SOMEBODY TO HAVE AN OPPOSING IDEA OR TO TALK TOO MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING MONDAY NIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

ON TUESDAY AT 1:00, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH AN ACTION ITEM ABOUT THAT SAME DISCUSSION ON MONDAY NIGHT; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> EXECUTIVE SESSION ON EMPLOYEE CONTRACT ITEM.

>> NOT A TASK ITEM FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION.

[02:40:01]

>> THIS ITEM WOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM IN PUBLIC SESSION, NOT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I THINK MAYBE THE WORDS GOT MIXED UP.

>> MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING. I DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE CITIZENS ON MONDAY NIGHT AND KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON TUESDAY AT 1:00.

ARE WE SAYING WE WOULD TAKE ACTION AT A LATER DATE?

>> TALK ABOUT THAT WHY [NOISE] IF TIMELINE IS URGENT HERE.

JUST VERBALIZE YOUR CONCERN THERE FOR US.

>> BECAUSE WE MAY HEAR A BETTER IDEA ON MONDAY NIGHT AND WE MAY NEED SOME TIME TO LOOK AT IT, STUDY IT, AND DECIDE WHETHER IT IS BETTER OR NOT.

HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE GOING ALLOW OURSELVES FROM MONDAY NIGHT TO TUESDAY AT 1:00 TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION TUESDAY? I'M ONLY THINKING IN THE WAY OF MAKING A GOOD DECISION THAT WE CAN STAND ON.

DID WE GIVE OURSELVES ENOUGH TIME?

>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR VERBALIZING THAT.

IF IT WAS ON TUESDAY'S AGENDA AND THERE WAS A BETTER ITEM OR IDEA, THEN THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP AT THAT TIME. AM I RIGHT?

>> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US.

THE REASON THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT IS COMING RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE PRIOR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL HAD BEEN WHETHER WE BUILD CITY HALL NOW AT AMARILLO HARBOR, OR WHETHER WE BUILD IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

IT WILL STAND US IN GOOD STEAD FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT AND A READY TO DO THE PROJECT STANDPOINT TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE ARCHITECTURAL WORK NOW.

THAT'S WHY THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT IS IN FRONT OF YOU PRIOR TO ANY GUIDANCE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.

ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE ALSO THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION HAS ALREADY BEEN ISSUED AND I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT GONE THROUGH BOTH ADVERTISINGS.

WE DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY EVEN AFTER THE POINT THAT IF YOU CHOSE TO CONTRACT WITH AN ARCHITECT TO MODIFY BOTH LOCATION UP TO A POINT, ALTHOUGH THAT WILL GO AWAY RELATIVELY SOON WITHIN THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO AND TO CERTAINLY MODIFY TIMING AT ANY POINT BECAUSE WE WANT TO INITIATE CONSTRUCTION UNTIL IF WE WERE TO MOVE AS FAST AS WE COULD EARLY NEXT YEAR. IS THAT RIGHT, JERRY?

>> DEFINITELY, FIRST OF THE YEAR, YEAH.

>> WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DECISION POINTS FOR COUNCIL ON THIS PROCESS.

WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY SPEED UP MUCH.

WE COULD SLOW DOWN OR EVEN CALL AN AUDIBLE AND GO TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION AS COUNCILOR STANLEY WAS TALKING ABOUT NEW LOCATIONS.

THERE ARE SOME LEGISLATURE IMPACTS FROM THIS RECENT SESSION THAT WOULD IMPACT THE RANGE OF CHOICES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TOUCH A GREEN SPACE LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL, BUT WE COULD STILL LOOK AT THAT.

THERE ARE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL THAT CAN INCORPORATE ANY IDEAS FROM MONDAY NIGHT REGARDLESS OF WHAT COUNCIL CHOOSES TO DO ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON.

I THINK THERE'S STILL OPTIONS, BUT WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF PRIOR COUNCIL GUIDANCE.

THAT'S WHY THIS IS READY AT THIS POINT.

>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF THERE IS SOME IDEAS THAT WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER, THE FACT OF PICKING OR CONSIDERING AN ARCHITECT HAS NO BEARING ON THE ABILITY TO WATCH THOSE BECOME PART OF THE PLAN, BUT IT JUST KEEPS US ON THE SCALE OF BEGINNING TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE DIRECTION OF CITY HALL.

>> I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS FLEXIBILITY [NOISE] FOR SIX MONTHS, BUT STILL A LARGE AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY.

IF YOU GET TO THE GO NO-GO DECISION ON CONSTRUCTION, OBVIOUSLY, YOUR FLEXIBILITY CHANGES A LOT IN THE DOWNWARD DIRECTION, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A DECISION AT THAT POINT.

THEN THE QUESTIONS ARE FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT AND OFFICE LOCATIONS AND JUST DESIGN MINUTIA.

>> BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THINGS ARE HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY, WHICH IS A TIME SAVINGS TO US?

>> WE'RE WORKING A NUMBER OF PATHS.

PRIOR COUNCIL GUIDANCE HAD BEEN REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE CIVIC CENTER PROJECT PASSES OR FAILS.

WE'D NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON CITY HALL, WHICH IS WHY WE BEGAN THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THE ARCHITECT.

THE REASON WHY WE INITIATED THAT ARCHITECTURAL BID PROCESS OR ARCHITECTURAL SELECTION PROCESS, WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD INITIATE THE PROJECT IMMEDIATELY OR WE COULD DELAY STARTING OF THAT PROJECT DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH CIVIC CENTER,

[02:45:01]

WE DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY BUT WE ARE MOVING OFF THAT PRIOR GUIDANCE TO GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY THE ARCHITECT AND BEGIN THE DESIGN PHASE.

WE DO MAINTAIN A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, LIKE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.

POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD GO AWAY ONCE WE START THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK SELECTION PROCESS, YOUR FLEXIBILITY REALLY STARTS GOING DOWN AT THAT POINT.

>> ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE GUIDANCE?

>> I MEAN, FLEXIBLY DON'T GO, NO GO.

>> WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING ON MONDAY 6:00-7:00?

>> 6:00-7:00.

>> THEN TUESDAY WOULD BE AT 1:00?

>> TUESDAY WOULD BE AT 1:00.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE MOVED FORWARD ON TUESDAY AT 1:00, YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING LISTENED TO PEOPLE ON MONDAY NIGHT?

>> NO MA'AM. I THINK THE WORDS THAT I WOULD USE IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HIRE AN ARCHITECT ON TUESDAY KNOWING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD OR WHERE WE WANT TO BUILD IT, OR HOW WE WANT TO BUILD IT, OR IF WE WANT TO REMODEL SOMETHING AND SO THAT IN MY LINE OF WORK IS OUT OF ORDER [OVERLAPPING] YOU IDENTIFY THE NEED FIRST AND THEN YOU GET YOUR PLAN AND THEN YOU GO HIRE THE ARCHITECTS, SO TO ME THE ACTION ITEM IT'S QUICKER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THE PROCESS GOING, BUT THE PROCESS IS REALLY MAKING THE DECISION OF WHAT WE WANT.

GETTING AN ARCHITECT HIRED IS NOT A DIFFICULT THING AND REALLY SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT MUCH TIME, SO I DON'T FEEL THE URGENCY TO GO HIRE AN ARCHITECT IS ALL I'M SAYING.

>> OKAY, I THINK THAT'S VERY WELL VERBALIZED, BUT I THINK I'M HEARING SOME CONSENSUS THAT OTHERS DO FEEL URGENCY TO DO THAT.

BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT JUST VERBALIZING WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IS SO VALUABLE TO US.

>> WELL, THANK YOU AND WE ARE IN CONSENSUS IN THE WAY OF LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO TIE JERRY'S HANDS AND NOT LOOK FORWARD TO THE WINNER AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TAKING THE APPROPRIATE NEEDS THAT WE NEED TO NOT BE FLAT-FOOTED ON THE STEEL.

WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THIS, WE HAVE PROBLEMS DOWN IN THE BASEMENT AND I'M IN NO WAY SAYING THAT WE SHOULD MAKE LIGHT OF THOSE OR DO NOTHING.

NOW, KICKING THE CANE IS A GOOD PHRASE, SOMETIMES THERE'S TIME TO KICK THE CANE AND NOT KICK THE BUMPER ON THE CAR AND BREAK YOUR TOE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BEST DECISION IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW AND I'M JUST TRYING TO LAY THAT OUT.

BUT MAN JERRY, THANK YOU, I KNOW THAT WAS A LONG ORDEAL AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH THAT WITH ME.

>> YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTION? YES.

>> WHEN DID WE PURCHASE THE EMERALD HARDWARE BUILDING, WHICH MONTH?

>> NOVEMBER.

>> NOVEMBER?

>> 2020.

>> MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THAT COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS MEETING TO HAVE A TIMELINE OF THE STEPS WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS ON THIS JUST TO HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

I KNOW IT FEELS FAST TO COUNCIL MEMBERS STANLEY, AND I THINK IT DOESN'T FEEL FAST TO THE FOUR OF US AND THAT'S JUST SITUATIONAL ARRIVAL.

WE ARRIVED AT IT AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.

I TOLD COLE LAST WEEK, I SAID AT WORKSHOP, IT'S LIKE SKIING WITH MY TEENAGE BOY.

I'M ALWAYS LAST UP THE HILL, WHEN I GET TO WHERE THEY'VE BEEN RESTING, THEY'RE GONE AGAIN,[LAUGHTER] AND I'M LIKE GOSH OKAY.

COLE'S THE OLD LADY SKIER WHO JUMPED DOWN WITH A BUNCH OF TEENAGERS.

>> WE ALL KNOW I'M HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH HOWARD AND SO [LAUGHTER] I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE I'M OFFENDED, I UNDERSTAND.

>> WE ALL STRUGGLE TO KEEP UP WITH HOWARD.

>> IT'S A NATURAL DIFFERENCE IN ATHLETIC ABILITY.

>>IT IS [LAUGHTER].

I LOVE IT. YES, THAT'S IT.

>> OKAY, MR. CITY MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US ON THIS ITEM?

>> YES MA'AM WE WILL DO, NOTICES FOR THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'LL BE READY TO BRING A TIMELINE AND SUPPORTING INFORMATION FOR THE CONVERSATION, BOTH ON MONDAY AND ON TUESDAY.

>> COUNCIL, DO WE NEED A BATHROOM BREAK?

>> YES MA'AM, ABSOLUTELY.

>> LETS TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM 1F.

>> AN AFTERNOON NAP AND A SNACK.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> CHECK THEIR PHONES FOR MESSAGES.

I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO BACK TO THE AGENDA AND WE ENDED ON ITEM 1F. YES SIR.

[02:50:04]

>> COULD I MAKE A COMMENT ON THE LAST ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT?

>>YES.

>> COLE MAYBE THIS WILL HELP A LITTLE.

I KNOW YOU FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT, WE'RE MOVING ALONG PRETTY FAST.

BUT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MADE A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE HARDWARE BUILDING SOMETIME, MAYBE TWO MONTHS APPROXIMATELY PRIOR TO THE CIVIC CENTER ELECTION.

WE MADE IT BECAUSE WE NEEDED A CIVIC CENTER.

WE HAD A FEASIBILITY TIME FOR A PRIOR TIME THAT FINISHED AFTER THE ELECTION.

BUT BASICALLY THE COUNCIL DECIDED THEY WANTED THAT TO BE THEIR CITY HALL, AND SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CHARGE AHEAD, WE HAD ALREADY MADE THE DECISION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE MAYOR.

>> IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THAT CONTRACT AFTER THE ELECTION?

>> WE COULD HAVE.

>> BUT WE DIDN'T AND WE DID HAVE THOROUGH CONVERSATION ABOUT IT THEN.

>> WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, I'M GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING THAT UP.

>> BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDE THAT WE CONSIDER SEVERAL, I'M GOING TO SAY FOUR, FIVE OR SIX BUILDINGS AND COULDN'T MAKE GOOD A DEAL.

[LAUGHTER]

>> BUT TRIED.

>> WE DID TRY.

>> WE MADE AN OFFER ON ONE WE THOUGHT THE ASKING PRICE WAS PRETTY GOOD AND THEY COUNTERED WITH A MILLION MORE THAN THE ASKING PRICE, I DINT LIKE THAT [LAUGHTER]

>> OKAY.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPED.

>> THANK YOU HOWARD THAT DOES.

>> OKAY, THANKS HOWARD.

ITEM 1F SAN JACINTO ARTS PROJECT ON ROUTE 66 UPDATE.

[1.F. San Jacinto Arts Project on Route 66 update]

NOW LET ME JUST SAY, LOOK HOW INFORMED YOU ARE ABOUT OUR CITY.

>> WE ARE AND I WAS JUST THINKING IT, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE OUT OF HERE, I THINK THOSE CURTAINS WOULD MAKE LOVELY PLAY CLOTHES FOR THE VON TRAPP FAMILY.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY IT BUT NOW YOU'VE BROUGHT IT UP.

[LAUGHTER]

>> YES, SO WITH ALL OF THE HEAVY THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, WE GET TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THIS HAPPY AND LIGHT AND WONDERFUL.

I'M MULLIN HUNTLEY, WE HAVE BEEN DOING ARTS PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN AMARILLO NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

OUR FIRST PROJECT WAS THE NORTH HEIGHTS PROJECT.

FABULOUS, AND WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THE NORTH HEIGHTS ART PROJECT, WE COMBINE THE HISTORY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ART AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE, WAS FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT HISTORY TOUCHED THEIR HEARTS.

WE LEARNED THROUGH NORTH HEIGHTS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THRIVED IN SPITE OF IN ORDINATE CHALLENGES.

CHALLENGES FROM JIM CROW LAWS, ISSUES THAT WERE JUST DIFFICULT AND YET THEY CREATED THIS INCREDIBLE BEAUTIFUL LIFE.

THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE DID THE BARRIO, AND BARRIO WAS OFTEN OVERLOOKED AND THE PEOPLE OF THE BARRIO BUILT THE CITY.

THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RAILROAD, THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR A WHOLE LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF AMARILLO, BUT WHAT WE SAW THERE WAS THIS INCREDIBLE BOND OF FAMILY.

NOW WE'RE TO OUR THIRD PROJECT.

OUR THIRD PROJECT IS THE SAN JACINTO ARTS PROJECT ON ROUTE 66 AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IN RESEARCHING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO START FROM AN 1895 COURTHOUSE THAT IT WAS THE FIRST PERMANENT STONE STRUCTURE IN POTTER COUNTY, THERE ARE NO PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT.

IT'S ONE OF THE SITES THAT WE HAVE SELECTED.

WE GO ALL THE WAY FROM THAT TO THE HEYDAY OF ROUTE 66 AND THE ADVENT OF TRAVEL.

WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR ARTS PROJECTS, AS SOME OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, IS WE IDENTIFY 15-20 HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT SITES IN AN AREA, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEN WE INVITE ARTISTS TO TELL THOSE STORIES THROUGH THEIR CRAFT, WHETHER IT'S PHOTOGRAPHY OR PAINTING OR POETRY, WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS THEIR FORM, WE INVITE THEM TO GO TO CREATE THESE SITES AND CAPTURE THAT HISTORY.

THEN WE HAVE A SHOW, THOSE THINGS ARE FOR SALE, HALF THE PROCEEDS GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HELP SUPPORT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS.

[02:55:04]

SOME OF THE SITES THAT ARE OUR FEATURE, EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE NAT WAS A NATATORIUM, HAD A SWIMMING POOL IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH.

BUILT-IN 1922, LATER BECAME A DANCE HALL.

YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT THE WUNSTOP DZZIT.

WHICH IS SPELLED W-U-N-S-T-O-P, THAT'S ONE WORD, DZZIT D-Z-Z- I-T. THAT WAS CAL FARLEY'S AND IT WAS A SERVICE STATION, TIRE STORE, AND HE HAD A RADIO STATION IN THE BACK.

EVERY DAY HE WOULD DO A RADIO BROADCAST FROM THE WUNSTOP DZZIT, AND HE WOULD CALL OUT MERCHANTS IN THE AREA, AND HE BASICALLY PROMOTED THEM.

THAT'S ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT WAS DONE ON SIXTH STREET.

ALSO HAD TEXAS'S VERY FIRST LICENSED BEAUTY SCHOOL.

THE BEEF BURGER BARREL IS VERY ICONIC IN AMARILLO AND IS A GRILL GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT HAPPENED ALONG ROUTE 66 WHERE PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME ICONIC, MEMORABLE ARCHITECTURE, AND SO THAT PLACE WAS IN A BARREL.

THAT'S IT'S THIRD LOCATION, IT'S BEEN INTO OTHER LOCATIONS IN AMARILLO BEFORE NOW AND THEN THERE'S A GOLDENLIGHT CAFE, WHICH IS THE LONGEST CONTINUALLY OPERATING RESTAURANT ON ALL OF ROUTE 66, AND IT'S RIGHT HERE.

THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE NEAT PLACES THAT I HOPE WILL INSPIRE ARTISTS TO GET TO PICK UP THEIR PENCILS, THEIR PAINTS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY DO.

IN ADDITION TO HAVING THE ART SHOW ON SEPTEMBER THE 30TH, WE'RE PLANNING A PLANEER EVENT AND IN PLANEER FOR PAINTERS TO COME OUT TO SIXTH STREET AND PAINT, PEOPLE CAN STOP BY AND WATCH THEM DOING THAT, WATCH THEM AS THEY'RE PAINTING, AT THAT SAME NIGHT THEY WANT TO HAVE A BOB ROSS LOOKALIKE CONTEST.

I'VE LOOKED AROUND OUT HERE, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS WOULD LOOK REALLY GOOD IN A NICE AFRO WIG AND A CHAMBRAY SHIRT AND SOME PLAID BELL BOTTOMS, I THINK YOU COULD TOTALLY ROCK IT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO AS WELL.

WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT., WE HAVE THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, WE'VE HELPED FUND SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE TWO NICKELS TO RUB TOGETHER.

THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH SOME OF OUR EXPENSES, WERE HOPING THAT YOU WILL DO THAT AGAIN FOR US WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO RENT IN ORDER TO PULL OFF THIS EVENT.

BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THIS WAS COMING AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WANT TO SEE YOU THERE AND MAYOR NELSON, I WHOLLY EXPECT YOU TO GET YOUR PAINTS OUT AND FIND A PLACE THAT JUST, EVERYBODY'S GOT IT, YES AND SUBMIT SOMETHING FOR THIS.

>> WELL, I WILL HOPE TO DO THAT WE'VE LOT OF WORK ON OUR PLATE.

>> I KNOW. [OVERLAPPING]

>> OF THE PAINTING GINGER NELSON WILL BE MUCH AROUND, BUT WE'LL SEE. [LAUGHTER]

>> CATHERINE IS HERE. CATHERINE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SAN JACINTO NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARCH PROJECT IS ON THEIR WEBSITE.

IT'S ALSO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE SO YOU CAN FIND ALL INFORMATION.

BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, WE JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE'RE KICKING IT OFF AND IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU, MULLIN. OUR WEBSITE IS S-J-N, STANDS FOR SAN JACINTO NEIGHBORHOOD, SJNAMARILLO.ORG.

AGAIN, WE DO HAVE BOND FUNDS THAT WE CAN DO FOR A LOT OF THE PROJECTS, BUT THEN WE'VE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THE BOND.

THIS FUNDRAISER FOR US WILL BE A WAY TO GET SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS DONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

>> GOOD. THAT'S GREAT, LADIES.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> I JUST WANTED [NOISE] TO SAY THANK YOU TO MULLIN FOR YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE FOR STARTING THIS.

IT'S JUST BEEN GREAT TELLING THE STORIES THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED GOLDENLIGHT CAFE, THE ORIGINAL ONE.

I THINK THEY'RE COMING UPON THEIR 75TH ANNIVERSARY IN ABOUT SEPTEMBER OR SOMETHING SO THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

>> THEY HAVE, AND IF YOU READ THEIR STORY, THERE'S A MISSING CHILI RECIPE.

>> YES.

[03:00:01]

>> THAT WAS NOT HANDED DOWN FROM ONE PERSON TO THE NEXT, AND SO IF ANYBODY CAN FIND THAT CHILI RECIPE, WE'D ALL LIKE TO HAVE IT.

>> THEY HAVE A SECOND LOCATION OVER OF, OF WESTERN.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, IT'S PRETTY NEAT.

>> YES, THAT'S SUCH GREAT STORY.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EVENT. YES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, GUYS. ITEM 1G IS

[1.G. Discuss SPS application to increase fuel factor;]

>> MAYOR, I AM GOING TO.

>> JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES.

NOT SO MUCH FUEL FACTOR, BUT DISCUSSING RATE TYPE CASES FROM BOTH GAS AND ELECTRIC, THIS IS WITH SPS.

CITIES DO NOT HAVE ORIGINAL JURISDICTION OVER THE FUEL FACTORS AND FUEL COSTS.

THE PUC HAS EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION OVER IT.

CITY'S ABILITY TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME, HOWEVER, IS BY APPLYING TO INTERVENE.

THAT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND DISCOVER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CAN BETTER INFORM US, OUR RATEPAYERS, AND THE PUC AS THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS ON WHAT TO DO.

FUEL FACTOR IS, I'VE GOT A REAL LONG DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS, BUT BASICALLY, THE FUEL FACTOR IS THE VARIABLE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BILLING CALCULATION BASED ON USAGE, THAT RECOVERS REVENUE TO PAY FOR THE COST OF FUEL FOR THE ELECTRIC UTILITY.

WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE ACSM, WHICH IS THE ALLIANCE OF XL MUNICIPALITIES.

SO WHEN I SAY SPS AND XL, THAT'S AN INTERCHANGEABLE TERM FOR THE MOST PART.

WHEN YOU ASK SBS, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY "NO, THEY'RE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE," BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT REGIONS.

BUT WE ARE THE ALLIANCE OF XL MUNICIPALITIES.

THERE'S OVER 80 CITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE ACSM ALLIANCE.

WE HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT IS MADE UP OF A NUMBER OF CITIES ON WHICH WE SIT.

THE STEERING COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL.

WE HAVE LEGAL ASSISTANCE, SPECIALISTS WHO DEAL IN RATE CASES, WHO HAS PROVIDED GUIDANCE TO US AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE SEEK TO INTERVENE.

SO WE HAVE MOVED THAT WAY BASED ON STEERING COMMITTEE INPUT.

ALL CITIES IN THE ACSM ALLIANCE ARE DOING IT, AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AND PROVIDE ADEQUATE TIME TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE UNDERPINNINGS, THE FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO INTO THE FUEL FACTOR CHANGE, BECAUSE IT WILL RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN COST TO OUR RATEPAYERS.

THE INCREASE IN COST, SBS PROPOSES SURCHARGE THAT'S GOING TO FORECAST AS $76 MILLION UNDER RECOVERY OVER THE LAST 24 MONTHS OR OVER THE NEXT 24 MONTHS.

IT'S UNRECOVERED IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE RECENT STORM, THE WINTER STORM.

THERE WERE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

IT WILL INCREASE THE CURRENT TEXAS RETAIL FUEL CHARGE BY ABOUT 18 PERCENT.

THAT INCREASE IN FUEL COSTS WILL RESULT IN AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 3.4 PERCENT OR ABOUT $4 A MONTH AND TOTAL MONTHLY BILLS FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE INFORMATION, ALL THE NUMBERS THAT GO INTO THIS REQUEST.

WE ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE WHO PAYS FOR THIS INCREASE BECAUSE THERE'S LOT OF DIFFERENT CLASSES OF RATEPAYERS THAT FALL INTO THIS PAY MIX.

THERE'S YOUR RESIDENTIAL RATEPAYERS, YOUR LARGE MUNICIPAL CLASS, WHICH IS WHAT WE FALL INTO.

THERE'S ALSO THE INDUSTRIAL CLASS, AND ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROLE TO BALANCE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR RATEPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING MORE THAN THEY SHOULD, THAT OUR INDUSTRIAL RATEPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING MORE THAN THEY SHOULD AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT ALLOCATION OF THE RATES AND THE CHANGE OF THOSE FUEL FACTORS FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PAY CLASSES ARE DONE APPROPRIATELY.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

EVEN IF WE WANTED TO NOT INTERVENE, THE BALANCE OF THE ACSM COMMUNITIES HAVE CHOSEN TO DO THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT, AND ALLOW YOU A CHANCE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS.

SPS IS A GREAT PARTNER.

NONE OF THIS IS MEANT TO IMPLY THAT THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE.

IT JUST MAKES SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT GO INTO THIS REQUEST.

IT IS AN EXTREMELY CHALLENGING PROPOSAL TO REALLY UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE 80 PLUS CITIES THAT ALL PITCH INTO LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE NUMBERS ON BEHALF OF THOSE CITIES, AND IN THE INTEREST OF MAKING SURE THAT OUR RATEPAYERS KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING RESPONSIBLY THAT WE CAN, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR RATES ARE CORRECT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT TO DRIVE DOWN THE RATES THAT OUR RATEPAYERS PAY.

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IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I, OR LAURA, OR ANYBODY ELSE CAN ANSWER? LAURA IS A PART OF LAW REVIEWS.

SPENDS A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS WITH OUR HIRED ATTORNEYS, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH ME ON IT.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER FOR YOU, WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER THEM NOW.

>> NOTHING? THANK YOU, JARED.

ITEM 1G IS JUST A FOLLOW-UP COUNCIL TO OUR WORKSHOP LAST WEEK WHERE WE TALKED TO SOME ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING AND WE TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON GOVERNANCE POLICY.

I WILL BE SCHEDULING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS ON OUR AGENDAS, PIECES OF OUR EXISTING GOVERNANCE POLICY FOR US TO DIALOGUE ABOUT, WORKING TOWARD HAVING A VOTE TO RE-APPROVE THOSE POLICIES, FIRST OF SEPTEMBER.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, AS A TEAM, TAKE TIME TO DIGEST THEM.

GIVE OUR NEW TEAM MEMBER TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT'S THE PLAN WITH REGARD TO OUR POLICY, AND TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO JUST OPEN FOR DISCUSSION POLICY NUMBER 1,

[1.H. Discuss Policy 1 of Governance Policy and City Councilmember Code of Ethics and defining success for current Council term;]

HOPEFULLY, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THOSE SEVEN POLICIES.

IT'S 6 1/2 PAGES, AND IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS A QUESTION? WE COULD GO LINE BY LINE THROUGH IT, I'M OPEN TO THAT, AND COLE, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO GO THROUGH IT?

>> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE GOING LINE BY LINE WILL BE NECESSARY.

I FELT LIKE I HAD A GOOD EDUCATION LAST WEEK IN GOVERNANCE AND ENDS.

WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION, AND SO TO UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE POLICY 1 RIGHT NOW JUST AS A STANDALONE AND THEN YOU'LL FOLLOW UP AS WE CONTINUE TO WALK THROUGH THIS.

>> NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING WILL GO POLICY 2.

IT'S JUST BREAKING IT INTO BITE-SIZED PIECES IN CASE WE WANT TO PAUSE AND DISCUSS ANYTHING, TWEAK ANYTHING, REVISE ANYTHING.

POLICY 1 HAS SEVEN PARTS TO IT.

>> FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO SAY ON WHAT THEY FELT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE AND IF THEY WANT TO TWEAK IT, OR IF YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO IT, AND JUST GO FROM THERE.

>> GREAT. THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO INCUMBENT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

PLACES 3, 4, AND 2 JUST ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT ON POLICIES 1 THROUGH 7? AGAIN POLICY 1 COVERS OUR GOVERNANCE PROCESS, WHAT THE COUNCIL'S ROLE IS, WHO OWNS THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT'S CLEARLY OUR CITIZENS.

OUR COUNCIL CODE OF CONDUCT, OUR COUNCIL STYLE ENVISION, HOW WE DO COUNCIL ACTION, AND OUR CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THEN JUST THE LAST POLICY IS REAL SHORT AND IT JUST SAYS BASICALLY, WE WILL REGULARLY LOOK AT THESE POLICIES AND GIVE THEM ANY REVISIONS OR UPDATE THAT THEY NEED.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BRING UP FOR DISCUSSION OR CHANGE?

>> POLICY 1 WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

OF ANY OF THE THINGS THAT I FELT LIKE [NOISE] THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT, THIS WILL BE THE ONE THAT I DON'T.

IT'S JUST BASICALLY YOUR BASIC GAME PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THINGS.

I DON'T THINK THAT A LOT HAS CHANGED.

SO I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THIS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT POLICY 1, IN GOVERNANCE [NOISE] POLICY, YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS ASK WHO'S THE OWNER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOVERNING THE BUSINESS ANSWER TO FOR THEIR DECISIONS.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND WHO THE OWNERS ARE, AND THE OWNERS ARE CITIZENS.

WE REPRESENT THEM, THEIR IDEAS, THEIR VALUES, AND WE REPORT TO THEM.

[NOISE] I THINK IT'S GOOD, I LIKE THIS COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS IDEA THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM HAS COME UP WITH.

IT DOES ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS MEETINGS.

IT'S TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO REPORT TO CITIZENS, I LIKE THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED OR THAT STUCK OUT TO YOU AS YOU READ THROUGH IT? IF YOU'RE A CITIZEN AND YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THIS, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.

[NOISE] HERE'S THE E-MAIL ADDRESS, IT'S PUBLICCOMMUNICATIONS@AMARILLO.GOV,

[03:10:05]

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.

ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS AGENDA ITEM IS JUST THE CITY COUNCIL CODE OF CONDUCT.

THAT IS BASICALLY 4 1/2 PAGES AT THE BACK OF THIS BOOK.

IT LAYS OUT CITY COUNCIL RESPONSIBILITIES, THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITIES, OUR MAYOR PRO TEM RESPONSIBILITIES, COUNCIL MEMBER RESPONSIBILITIES, CITY MANAGER RESPONSIBILITIES.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT [NOISE] WHO'S IN WHAT LANE AND WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BALLS THAT COME INTO THAT LANE.

THEN THE CODE OF CONDUCT JUST TALKS ABOUT HOW WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH CITIZENS AND STAFF.

IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BUT CERTAINLY OPEN TO HAVING ANY CONVERSATION, ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS, OR ENTERTAINING ANY SUGGESTIONS TO REVISE IT.

ANYBODY? COUNCILMAN STANLEY, ANYTHING THERE AS YOU'RE ONBOARDING WITH US? QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A POLICY MANUAL IS IT'S FOR THE NEW FOLKS AND THE OLD FOLKS, BUT SHOULD BE A HELP TO YOU, NOT A BURDEN.

MAYOR, DID YOU MENTION CODE OF ETHICS? DID I? IF I DIDN'T, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. THANK YOU.

YES. THE CODE OF ETHICS ON PAGE 22 AND 23.

THANK YOU, FREDA.

THEN THE LAST THING JUST TO FOLLOW UP FROM OUR WORKSHOP LAST WEEK IS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE SUCCESS FOR THIS NEXT TERM.

WE HAVE 23 MONTHS TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO ANSWER TO OUR OWNERS AND TO IMPROVE THE CITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST WEEK IN THE WORKSHOP.

I TOLD YOU ALL, IT WAS A JUMPING OFF POINT.

I MADE A FEW CHANGES TO IT BASED ON THINGS I HEARD, SUGGESTIONS, AND COMMENTS MADE IN THE WORKSHOP THAT OUR SUCCESS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, I THINK IT'S BEST DEFINED WHEN WE'RE INTENTIONAL.

WE SAY WHAT TARGET WE'RE AIMING TOWARD IF WE FALL SHORT OF IT.

SOMETIMES, THAT HAPPENS BUT IT'S MORE AND MORE LIKELY TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THE TARGET IF WE DEFINED WHAT SUCCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I THINK AS FAR AS OUR INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE BEING PREPARED EVERY TIME WE COME TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM, THAT'S BEING PRESENT MIND AND BODY AND PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETINGS, AND THAT WE KNOW EACH OTHER'S STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES SO WE CAN FUNCTION TOGETHER AS A HEALTHY TEAM, THAT WE KNOW AND APPLY OUR GOVERNANCE POLICIES AND OUR CODE OF ETHICS AND CONDUCT POLICIES.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS ADDRESSING THAT.

THEN WE KNOW AND APPLY OUR STRATEGIC PLAN PILLARS.

EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THOSE THAT WE GOT FROM WORKSHOP LAST WEEK.

AGAIN, IF YOU'RE A CITIZEN AND WANT A COPY OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT OR CALL THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

WE'LL BE PREPARED.

I THINK SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE HAVING THE INFORMATION WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE DECISIONS.

THAT IS, I THINK, A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR EACH ONE OF US BECAUSE SOMETIMES, THE VOTES ARE HARD, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR RIGHT OR CLEAR WRONG.

ANYTIME YOU NEED TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I THINK WE DEFINE SUCCESS BY SAYING YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, NEED TO DO THAT AND I NEED TO, AS THE MAYOR, CREATE SPACE FOR YOU TO DO THAT.

[NOISE] WHEN POSSIBLE, STAFF IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IN A TIMEFRAME THAT ALLOWS EACH MEMBER TO STUDY AND REVIEW THE INFORMATION BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

JUST FROM AN EXPECTATIONS POINT OF VIEW, I THINK INFORMATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WHEN YOU ASK FOR IT, THAT IT BE RESPONDED TO BY STAFF IN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.

WHEN WE ASK STAFF TO GO GET SOMETHING, THAT WE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH AND ACTUALLY REVIEW WHAT THEY GO AND GET FOR US IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF HOW WE SUCCEED, I THINK.

ITEM NUMBER 3, COMMUNICATION.

BOY, YOU-ALL HAD SUCH GOOD DIALOGUE ON THIS DURING THE WORKSHOP.

[03:15:04]

[NOISE] WE WILL SUCCEED WHEN OUR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HAPPENS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT.

[NOISE] WE WILL SUCCEED WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN AND DISCUSS EVERY ISSUE BEFORE THE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION ON THE ISSUE.

WE WILL SUCCEED WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS VERBALIZE THEIR THOUGHTS, ESPECIALLY THEIR CONCERNS, SO THAT THE ENTIRE TEAM HAS THE BENEFIT OF THE THOUGHTS AND HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DISCUSS THOSE THOUGHTS.

UNVERBALIZED CONCERNS LEAD TO FRUSTRATIONS AND IT CAN LEAD TO A BREAK IN UNITY HERE AT THE COUNCIL, AND THAT INTERFERES WITH OUR ABILITY TO HELP ACCOMPLISH THE COUNCIL'S MISSION.

[NOISE] I DON'T EXPECT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DEFINE THAT AS HOW WE SUCCEED TOGETHER.

COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL FOLLOW THE CODE OF ETHICS IN ALL COMMUNICATIONS.

WE WON'T MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AND WE WON'T LABEL EACH OTHER, AND WE WON'T MAKE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT MOTIVATION.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I ADDED BASED ON DIALOGUE WE HAD LAST WEEK THAT I THINK, IF WE WE'LL SAY RIGHT UP FRONT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT TO HAVE DIALOGUE ABOUT IDEAS AND NOT MAKING ACCUSATIONS, THAT WILL BE PART OF HOW WE SUCCEED.

OUTSIDE A COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL CAREFULLY COMMUNICATE FACTS TO CITIZENS AND ALL COMMUNICATION WILL BUILD UNITY OF THE COUNCIL, EVEN IF IT REFLECTS DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS ON ISSUES.

ONCE COUNCIL HAS TAKEN FINAL ACTION ON AN ISSUE, COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE ISSUE SHOULD REFLECT THE COUNCIL'S ACTION AND NOT INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVES.

WE HAD A REALLY GOOD DIALOGUE ON THAT LAST WEEK ABOUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES TO BE AT THE TABLE, BUT ONCE AN ISSUE HAS BEEN DECIDED, GOING BACKWARDS ONLY CREATES DIVISION.

ARE WE PART OF THE PROCESS? YES. WE'RE ENGAGED, WE'RE SHARING OUR THOUGHTS, WE'RE VERBALIZING OUR CONCERNS.

THEN WHEN IT'S VOTED ON AS A TEAM, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD RESPECTING THAT THE PROCESS ARRIVED AT A DECISION, AND NOW, WE'RE MOVING TO THE NEXT THING.

I THINK THERE'S A TYPO THERE. IT SAYS, "COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL DEFINE THE PROCESS," AND I THINK I SHOULD HAVE PUT "DEFEND THE PROCESS EVEN IF A MEMBER DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE DECISION." THE LAST POINT UNDER COMMUNICATION IS THAT COMMUNICATION ABOUT CITY ISSUES SHOULD IDEALLY HAPPEN DURING BUSINESS HOURS WHICH RESPECTS STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS' FAMILY TIME.

JERRY WOULD PROBABLY BUST ME ON THAT BECAUSE I CALL HIM ABOUT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TIMES A DAY.

BUT I THINK A HEALTHY TEAM TARGETS FOR THOSE COMMUNICATIONS TO HAPPEN DURING BUSINESS HOURS.

THEN THE LAST COUPLE ARE SHORT.

THAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL, AND THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ACCOMPLISH THE CITY MISSION AND MOVE THE CITY STRATEGIC PLAN FORWARD.

COUNCIL WILL FOLLOW A CLEARLY DEFINED PROCESS ON ALL OUR ACTIONS.

WE WILL DEFINE A PROBLEM, WE WILL RESEARCH QUESTIONS, WE WILL LISTEN TO PROPOSE SOLUTIONS, WE WILL DISCUSS PROPOSED SOLUTIONS, AND WE WILL VOTE ON A SOLUTION.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS AN ADD FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'VE FOLLOWED OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER PUT IT ON PAPER AS A DEFINED PROCESS.

I THINK DEFINING SUCCESS MEANS DEFINING OUR PROCESS AND BEING ABLE TO DEFEND THE PROCESS AFTER WE'VE TAKEN ACTION.

SO WENT AHEAD AND MADE THAT CHANGE.

AFTER TAKING ACTION, COUNCIL WILL PRACTICE RESILIENCY.

THIS CHANGE CAME FROM RON, MAINLY.

WHEN ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON AN ISSUE, WE'LL MOVE PAST IT AND WE WILL BOTH WIN AND LOSE WITH GRACE, NO MATTER WHAT OUR INDIVIDUAL OPINION WAS ABOUT AN ISSUE.

THEN THE LAST ONE IS, WE DEFINE A SUCCESSFUL TERM ALSO HAS AN EMPHASIS ON RELATIONSHIPS, THAT COUNCIL WILL BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER AND STAFF THAT PROMOTE PROFESSIONALISM, RESPECT, AND HEALTHY COMMUNICATION.

THAT WE CAN DISAGREE STRONGLY ON ISSUES AND STILL PROTECT THE RELATIONSHIPS ON THE COUNCIL.

SOMEWHAT ASPIRATIONAL.

BUT ARE THERE ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, CHANGE, GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON? NOTHING?

>> WELL, I WILL TUCK THAT AWAY AS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL COME BACK TO.

WE'RE GOING TO DO AN ACTION ITEM, I THINK IN SEPTEMBER THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING.

[03:20:01]

ALL I NEED IS JUST TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT IT NEEDS TO GO BACK ON A DISCUSSION AGENDA.

ITEM 1I IS TO REQUEST FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND REPORTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

[1.I. Request future agenda items and reports from City Manager.]

>> JUST A UPDATE ON THE MOWING FOR TXDOT AND THEN ALSO WITHIN THE CITY OF AMARILLO.

>> WE WILL SEND YOU A SUMMARY THIS WEEK.

WE WILL ALSO SCHEDULE THAT FOR CONVERSATION.

WELL, BASED ON WHAT WE SEND OUT, I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING BUT I WOULD THINK WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM JUST TO RECAP THAT FOR YOU AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. DOES THAT WORK MAYOR?

>> IT DOES. [NOISE] ANYTHING ELSE? ITEM NUMBER 2 IS A CONSENT AGENDA.

[2. CONSENT ITEMS]

>> YES MA'AM. WE'VE HAD A REQUEST TO PULL ITEM O.

>> ITEM O. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO PULL ITEM O, COUNCIL [NOISE] AND THAT IS BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY NEEDS TO STEP OUT WHILE WE DISCUSS AND VOTE ON THAT ITEM. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> YES. WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THERE THAT PROTECTS AGAINST ANY POSSIBLE CONFLICT.

REMOVING ITEM O.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, COUNCIL? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH REGARD TO THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> YES, MAYOR. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM O.

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER POWELL AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE AND COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, IF WE CAN JUST EXCUSE YOU FOR A MOMENT.

[NOISE] OKAY.

[2.O. CONSIDER SALE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY FORMER FIRE STATION NO.9]

MR. CITY MANAGER? [NOISE]

>> HI MAYOR. ONE SECOND, I WAS AT THE WRONG PAGE.

>> YEAH. SORRY. I MEAN, IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IT SIMPLY STATED FOR SALE AT $401,000.

THIS ITEM WOULD AUTHORIZE YOU TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT AND OTHER NECESSARY DOCUMENTS FOR THE SALE OF FIRE STATION NUMBER 9 WHICH IS LOCATED AT 3445, WESTERN.

>> JUST TO GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, WE LISTED THIS PROPERTY AT 350,000.

WE HAD A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL BUYERS BIDDING ON THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT IT IS A VERY GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY.

IT WILL HELP PAY FOR NEEDED FIRE ASSETS AND DEVELOPMENT OF FIRE FACILITY SPECIFICALLY THE FIRE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THE EQUIPMENT, AND APPARATUS MAINTENANCE FACILITY THAT WE RECENTLY PURCHASED AND ARE RENOVATING RIGHT NOW BUT LISTED FOR 350,000, SALE PRICE IS 401,000.

THIS ITEM WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE.

THIS IS LOCATED SOUTHWESTERN AT 34TH IN JANET.

>> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM?

>> YES, MAYOR. WE DO.

I MOVE TO APPROVE.

EXCUSE ME, I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT AND OTHER NECESSARY DOCUMENTS FOR THE SALE OF CITY PROPERTY WHICH IS THE FORMER FIRE STATION NUMBER 9 LOCATED AT 3445, SOUTHWESTERN STREET IN THE AMOUNT OF $401,000 MINUS CLOSING COST.

>> SECOND

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER POWELL AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TO APPROVE THE SALE AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT PASSES WITH A 4-0 VOTE WITH ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, ABSTAINING DUE TO A POSSIBLE CONFLICT.

JENNY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO.

THANK YOU [NOISE].

THAT ITEM WAS APPROVED, COLE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> NOW, MOVING ON TO ITEM 3A

[3.A. CONSIDER RESOLUTION - AUTHORIZING REFUNDING OF CANADIAN RIVER MUNICIPAL WATER AUTHORITY SUBORDINATE LIEN CONTRACT REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS, SERIES 2012 ]

>> ALRIGHT. THIS ITEM IS REFUNDING DEBT THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2012.

IT WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER INTEREST RATES

[03:25:01]

THIS PROJECT WAS FOR A WELL FIELD PROJECT BACK IN 2012.

REFUNDING THIS PROJECT NOW DEPENDING ON WHAT INTEREST RATE IS REALIZED IN OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER WHENEVER WE FINISH THIS REFUNDING PROJECT, I SHOULD SAY IS PROJECTED TO SAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 608,000 AND 852,000.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TO BE HAD BY REFUNDING THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOW INTEREST RATES.

WE HAVE LAURA STORRS, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REFUNDING.

OR IF YOU GO INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, WE ALSO HAVE FLOYD HARTMAN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT.

>> DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE DO.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION THEN?

>> YES, MAYOR. WE DO. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CANADIAN RIVER MUNICIPAL WATER AUTHORITY TO ISSUE REFUNDING BONDS TO REFUND ALL OR PART OF THE OUTSTANDING CANADIAN RIVER MUNICIPAL WATER AUTHORITY SUBORDINATE LIEN CONTRACT REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS, SERIES 2012.

WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF A MOUTHFUL.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S A MOUTHFUL.

>> YEAH, IT WAS.

>> THAT'S A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER POWELL AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MOTION? NO? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE. [OVERLAPPING] YES, SIR.

>> I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THESE REFUNDINGS, WE GET USED TO SEEING THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS BUT THE ABILITY TO SAVE ALL THIS MONEY AND COUNCIL MAN STANLEY WAS COMMENTING ABOUT THIS EARLIER, IS DUE TO THE HARD WORK OF OUR FINANCE TEAM LED BY LAURA STORRS, DEBBIE REED, AND ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR DOLLARS, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE REFUNDING WHENEVER THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES.

THEY DO HAVE LIMITATIONS ON HOW FREQUENTLY OR HOW SOON YOU CAN DO THEM.

THEY'RE ALWAYS ON TOP OF EVERY SINGLE BOND AND AS SOON AS WE CAN REFUND THEM TO SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR TAXPAYERS, WE'LL DO IT.

BUT THAT'S LED BY THE FINANCE TEAM.

I DEFINITELY WANTED TO RECOGNIZE WORK LAURA HAS BEEN DOING ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.

>> THERE'S AN EXCELLENT PAUSE.

LAURA, PLEASE THANK EVERYONE IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT FOR US, MATT, DEBBIE.

ALL OF THEM DO A GREAT JOB AND IT DOES SAVE THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. YEAH.

ITEM 3B IS CONSIDERING ENTERING INTO

[3.B. CONSIDER ENTERING INTO A PRE.DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH GARFIELD PUBLIC/PRIVATE LCC FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE AMARILLO CIVIC CENTER COMPLEX]

>> MAYOR, THANK YOU. WE'VE GOT ANDREW FREEMAN, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND SPECIAL PROJECTS TO PRESENT THE ITEM.

WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM GARFIELD, STEVE GALBREATH.

ANDREW'S GOING TO PRESENT.

ANDREW AND STEVE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ITEM.

>> YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO START OFF FIRST JUST COVERING THE BACKGROUND AGAIN ON HOW THIS PROCESS STARTED AND HOW WE'D GOTTEN TO TODAY.

THE COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AFTER THE BOND ELECTION FAILED IN NOVEMBER TO REALLY DISCUSS AND RESEARCH ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS ON HOW TO FUND THE PROJECT THAT DIDN'T RELY STRICTLY ON GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO PAY FOR IT.

SPECIFICALLY, IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE NOVEMBER 17TH COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THE VISION WAS REALLY LAID OUT.

THE MAYOR DISCUSSED THE PLAN FOR IT, AND THAT'S WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT JASON HERRICK LEADING THAT COMMITTEE.

FOLLOWING THAT, BETWEEN NOVEMBER 2020 AND JANUARY 2021, THAT'S WHEN JASON AND MYSELF DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING, WHAT CAN WE SPECIFICALLY DO IN TEXAS, HOW MIGHT WE BE FUNDING THIS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE THAT GENERATE A LOT OF IDEAS AND ALSO LED US TO VISIT WITH FIVE POTENTIAL P3 PARTNER SPECIFICALLY.

WE HAD ZOOM MEETINGS WITH EACH OF THEM, HAD OTHER STAFF INVOLVED AS WELL TO LISTEN TO THEM AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THEN BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, WITH THIS BEING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IT DOESN'T TYPICALLY FOLLOW AN RFQ, RFP PROCESS.

THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION, NEGOTIATION, AND REALLY RELATIONSHIP-BUILDING WITH THIS TYPE OF PARTNER.

THAT'S WHEN WE DEVELOPED A WRITTEN CONCEPT THAT WE SENT OUT IN FEBRUARY 2021.

WE SENT IT OUT TO THE FIVE PARTNERS THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT WITH AND RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES.

THEN AFTER THAT, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH EACH POTENTIAL PARTNER TO DISCUSS THOSE CONCEPTS.

WE HAD MULTIPLE STAFF INVOLVED INCLUDING THE CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY.

WE ALSO HAD PRIVATE CITIZENS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

THAT INCLUDED JENNIFER GALLARDO THAT ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE WITH THE PREVIOUS CIVIC CENTER COMMITTEE, WES WRIGHT, MASON ROGERS, WES PURSER, RONNIE WALKER, CLAY STRIBLING, AND BRAD BALDRIDGE.

WE HAD FINANCIAL EXPERTS,

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THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL IN THIS PROCESS.

THEN OF COURSE CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK WAS INTRODUCED TO THE GARFIELD PUBLIC/PRIVATE LLC IN MUCH MORE DETAIL.

THEY WENT THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY PRESENTATION AND ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR COMPANY AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THEY'VE WORKED ON IN TEXAS AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT LEADS US TO TODAY.

ON YOUR COUNCIL AGENDA IS A PRE-DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH GARFIELD PUBLIC/PRIVATE LLC.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHAT THE SERVICES INCLUDE, IT WOULD EVALUATE THE EXISTING CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, UPDATE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES, ANALYZE CIVIC CENTER OPERATIONS, COMPLETING A THIRD-PARTY REVIEW OF ENVIRONMENTAL GEOTECHNICAL MARKET STUDIES.

WE'VE ALSO ADDED IN THE PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED BY COUNCIL THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GET THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF THIS PROCESS, THEN ULTIMATELY PREPARATION OF A FINAL REPORT AND A FINANCE PLAN OF HOW THIS PROJECT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AT THE END OF THIS PHASE.

THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE NOT TO EXCEED $494,200 AND WOULD BE PAID BY HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES.

THEN ANOTHER NOTE, DURING THIS PHASE THAT YOU SAW IN THE CONTRACT THAT WAS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET IS THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT REALLY LAYS OUT THE EXECUTION OF WHATEVER MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS PRE-DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

THIS IS REALLY THE BRAINSTORMING, REVIEWING EVERYTHING, FIGURING OUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FUND IT DIFFERENTLY, AND THEN WE'D EXECUTE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT IF WE MOVED INTO THE FORMAL DESIGN PHASE, NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY FUND IT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH GARFIELD BEING INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS AS A MASTER DEVELOPER HELPING OVERSEE THE CONTRACTS, THE SELECTIONS, AND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AS A WHOLE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE AGREEMENT.

STEVE IS ALSO HERE.

HE HAS A FLIGHT TO CATCH A LITTLE AFTER 6:00, BUT HE'S HERE FOR ALL THE TOUGH QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM GARFIELD.

>> ANDREW, I DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

I HAD A CITIZEN THAT ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO ME.

I WANT TO BE PERFECTLY TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN TRANSPARENT FROM THE BEGINNING.

I KNOW THAT GARFIELD HAS WORKED WITH IRVING, AND BEAUMONT, AND THEN THE CITY OF LUBBOCK.

WERE THERE ANY MAJOR ISSUES IN WORKING WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL CITY LEADERS, I MIGHT SAY, IN THOSE PROJECTS?

>> SURE. WE DID FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

IRVING WAS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.

THAT HOTEL IS NOW OPERATIONAL.

STEVE CAN GO IN MORE DETAILS ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT PROJECT WAS.

BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE NOT DONE A PROJECT IN BEAUMONT.

I BELIEVE STEVE TOLD ME IT'S BEEN ABOUT 20 YEARS SINCE THEY MAYBE SAT IN ON A MEETING FOR A POTENTIAL PROJECT BUT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ON ONE PAST THE FIRST INTRODUCTORY MEETING.

THEN BUDDY HOLLY, WE'VE HEARD REALLY RAVE REVIEWS ON HOW THAT PROJECT WENT.

THEY'VE ALSO DONE OVER 10 IN LUBBOCK AND ARE NOW ONTO THE EXPO PROJECTS.

SO THEY'VE DONE THREE PROJECTS WITH THREE DIFFERENT PARTNERS IN THE LUBBOCK AREA, WHICH I THINK IS A SIGN OF HOW POSITIVE IT'S BEEN FORMED THERE.

>> I THINK TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON IRVING, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR BOTH GAVE REALLY GOOD REVIEWS OF GARFIELD'S PERFORMANCE IN IRVING.

LIKE ANY PROJECT, THEY HAD SOME CHALLENGES ON THE FINANCING SIDE, BUT THEY WORKED THROUGH THAT AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE GESTATION PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

CHALLENGES OR NOT, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE OVERCOME.

BUT AS FAR AS THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS NOT EVERYBODY IN IRVING, BUT THEY ARE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPOSURE AND INPUT ON THE PROJECT.

THEY HAD VERY GOOD REVIEWS OF GARFIELD ON THE PROJECT.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I'LL JUST ADD ONE LITTLE TIDBIT TO THAT.

DOING SOME DUE DILIGENCE BACK IN MAY, I DID REACH OUT TO THE LUBBOCK MAYOR BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE THREE PROJECTS.

THEY'VE DONE TWO AND STARTING A THIRD IN LUBBOCK.

I WANTED TO KNOW, DO THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO? WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THEM BEEN LIKE? HAS IT BEEN GOOD? HAS IT BEEN FRUSTRATING? HAS IT BEEN FAIR? HAS IT MOVED ON THE TIMELINES YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD MOVE ON, ALL OF THAT? HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR AND HE GAVE GOOD REMARKS.

HE SAID YOU REALLY NEED TO TALK TO ROB ALLISON WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE BUDDY HOLLY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WHICH WAS THEIR SECOND PROJECT IN LUBBOCK.

IRONICALLY, ROB WAS A CITY EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME THAT THEY DID THE FIRST PROJECT IN LUBBOCK, THEIR CONVENTION HOTEL, THE OVERTON.

HE DID THE FIRST PROJECT WITH THEM IN THE ANDREW ROLE.

THEN HE RETIRED, AND HE DID THE SECOND PROJECT WITH THEM AS GOVERNING BOARD MEMBER, THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BUDDY HOLLY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER BOARD.

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I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH ROB ALLISON.

HE WAS ON VACATION, BUT HE CALLED ME JUST SO THAT I COULD GRILL HIM WITH A TON OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A FIRM THAT WE WANTED TO GO INTO A CONTRACT WITH AND DO BUSINESS WITH.

I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT ROB HAD TO SAY.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT ROB HAS HAD WORKING PERSONALLY WITH GARFIELD ON THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, START TO FINISH ON TWO OF THEM.

ACTUALLY, TWO OF THEM AS CITY PROJECTS, ONE OF THEM IS A COUNTY PROJECT, AND REALLY THE SECOND PROJECT IS MORE OF A PRIVATE.

HE'S TOUCHED ALL THE BASES IN LUBBOCK AND WORKED IN-DEPTH WITH THIS GARFIELD TEAM.

JUST TO SUM IT UP, WHAT HIS SUMMARY WAS THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

THAT FELT VERY WEST TEXAS TO ME, BUT I'LL JUST PASS ON THAT FEEDBACK.

I THINK I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH ROB ON MAY 22ND.

>> I DID FORGET TO MENTION WHERE YOU EMAILED OUT THE LIST OF REQUESTED PROJECTS AND FINANCING STRUCTURE.

SIX OF THE 16 ON THIS LIST THAT THEY SHARED WERE IN TEXAS, AND THAT WAS REALLY A HIGH POINT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE AS THEIR FAMILIARITY WITH TEXAS, THE FINANCIAL RULES IN TEXAS, AND JUST THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY HAVE IN THE STATE.

>> DURING YOUR PRESENTATION JUST NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS OTHER THAN YOURSELF AND JASON HERRICK, COULD YOU GO BACK THROUGH THOSE MEMBERS AGAIN FOR ME?

>> SURE. THEY'RE UNOFFICIAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT THEY PARTICIPATE IN EVERY PROCESS: JENNIFER GALLARDO, WES WRIGHT, MASON ROGERS, WES PURSER, RONNIE WALKER, CLAY STRIBLING, AND BRAD BALDRIDGE.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> WE HAD MYSELF, JARED, KEVIN, AND BRIAN, AND THEN THE MAYOR ALSO SET IT ON SOME OF THOSE.

>> FROM THE CITY SIDE.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> FOR ANYBODY WATCHING THIS BENEFIT, WHEN HE SAYS, ANDREW, WE TALKED ABOUT HIS POSITION, THE CITY MANAGER, WE HAVE A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WE HAD CITY ATTORNEY, HE SAID ONE MORE.

>> OH, AND THE MAYOR. [OVERLAPPING]

>> YES, OF COURSE, THE MAYOR'S [INAUDIBLE].

THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS JUST TO POINT OUT THAT IT WAS PRETTY DIVERSE BUT ALSO PRETTY SENIOR GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WERE PARTICIPATING ON THE CITY SIDE AND THEN TAKING INPUT AND WORKING WITH THE CITIZENS THAT WERE ON THE INTERVIEW COMMITTEE ALONG WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

>> NOT THE TRADITIONAL RFQ, RFP SCORING PROCESS BUT DEFINITELY INTENSE PROCESS TO VET THESE COMPANIES AND INTERVIEW THEM.

>> STEVE, I'M WATCHING THE TIME.

I'M NOT SWEATING IT FOR YOU YET BECAUSE I KNOW HOW GREAT OUR AIRPORT IS, BUT YOU MIGHT BE SWEATING IT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRING YOU TO THE PODIUM IN CASE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> SURE.

>> IF YOU ALL MISSED THAT, YOU'RE WATCHING AT HOME, HE'S TRYING TO CATCH A FLIGHT.

>> LOOK, IT'S FINE.

DON'T RUSH FOR ME. I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. QUESTIONS, COUNCIL.

I THINK FREDA YOU WERE DONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER STANLEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY?

>> YES, I DO. COUPLE JUST CONTRACTUAL THINGS, ON PAGE 3 OF 9, I GUESS I'M ON SIX THERE, IT SAYS NOTE THAT ANY THIRD PARTY LEGAL FINANCIAL ADVISORY OR BOND UNDERWRITING MODELING FEES OR COST, IF ANY, ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL.

CAN YOU DEFINE THAT? I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU [OVERLAPPING].

>> THAT WOULD BE ANY OF THE CITY'S COSTS FOR THEIR BOND COUNCIL OR THEIR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

WE WANT THEM AT THE TABLE.

>> OKAY, GREAT.

>> BUT THEY'RE CONTRACTED DIRECTLY TO YOU.

>> OKAY. ON THE INSURANCE, [NOISE] THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE A REALLY LARGE PROJECT DOLLAR-WISE.

A ONE MILLION DOLLAR PER OCCURRENCE GL SEEMS A LITTLE LIGHT.

DO Y'ALL CARRY A FIVE MILLION UMBRELLA OR WHAT OTHER [OVERLAPPING]

>> THE DESIGN BUILD FIRM IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S CARRYING THE MOST INSURANCE, AND THEY'LL CARRY ABOUT FIVE MILLION FOR SURE.

>> YEAH, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, IN AN ERRORS' AND OMISSIONS' INSTANCE WHERE THERE'S A DESIGN ISSUE.

>> THE ARCHITECTS CARRY MORE THAN THAT AS WELL.

WE'RE IN AN ADVISORY ROLE, AND THE QUARTERBACK OF THE TEAM.

THE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE DESIGN STAMPING, DRAWINGS, ENGINEERS, THEY'RE GOING TO CARRY THAT HIGHER INSURANCE, AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR.

>> STEVE, IS THAT PART OF THIS PHASE OR WILL THERE BE ANOTHER CONTRACT BEFORE WE HIT THAT ONE? [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT PHASE, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT ANDREW SPOKE ABOUT.

THIS PHASE IS REALLY THE INVESTIGATION PHASE.

I THINK WE'RE CARRYING ONE MILLION DOLLAR PER OCCURRENCE INSURANCE POLICY FOR THIS, WHICH THIS IS REALLY A ADVISORY CONSULTING ROLE AT THIS POINT.

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>> IS THAT [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT MAKE SENSE. YES, SIR.

SOME OF MY QUESTIONS I THINK ARE JUST COMING FROM YOUR SCHEDULE OF VALUES THAT ARE BROKEN DOWN.

LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION HERE, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.

PAGE 6 OF 9, LETTER O, REINSTATEMENT.

IN THE EVENT THE CITY WERE TO DECIDE AT ANYTIME DURING THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT PERIOD NOT TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT, AND IN THE EVENT THE CITY WERE TO DECIDE IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AT A LATER DATE ON OR BEFORE THE SECOND ANNIVERSARY OF THE DATE OF TERMINATION OR EXPLORATION, THIS AGREEMENT, COVENANT, AND AGREE TO PROCEED IN GOOD FAITH TO FINALIZE, AND EXECUTE THE PSA ON TERMS. I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT THERE IN UNDERSTANDING, WE CHOOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS SCENARIO WITH YOUR FIRM, BUT THEN WE DO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

WHERE'S THE DEFINITION OF SIMILARITY THERE, HOW ARE TIED?

>> WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS, IT'S CONTEMPLATING THAT THE CITY MOVES FORWARD.

WE'VE FINISHED THIS STUDY, AND WE GET TO THE POINT THE CITY SAYS, WE'RE PUMPING THE BRAKES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS.

WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT IF THE CITY DOES REINSTATE THE PROJECT WITHIN 24 MONTHS, THAT THEY COME BACK AND BRING US TO THE TABLE TO BE A TEAM MEMBER.

>> THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER YOUR PROPRIETARY KNOWLEDGE, AND BASICALLY YOUR DESIGN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

NOT NECESSARILY TYING OUR HANDS IN ANY WAY OF DOING A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

>> YEAH. IF WE WERE TERMINATED FOR SOME REASON, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, AND MY ATTORNEY IS PROBABLY WATCHING NOW SAYING, "WHAT IS HE DOING?" [LAUGHTER].

>> STOP PRACTICING LAW.

>> STOP PRACTICING, BUT IF WE WERE TERMINATED, OBVIOUSLY, THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE IN EFFECT.

>> THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY EITHER AND [LAUGHTER] WE'RE BOTH GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT LIKE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

HERE'S AN ATTORNEY VERB IF YOU LIKE, IS THERE A WAY TO CLEAN THAT UP OR STRIKE THAT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, OR AT LEAST [OVERLAPPING]

>> WELL, I THINK YOUR CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT.

WE'RE JUST ASKING IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE REPORT, YOU JUST PUT IT ON A SHELF, AND THEN IT COMES BACK A YEAR LATER, WE'D JUST LIKE YOU TO CALL US RATHER THAN JUST GOING AND CALLING SOMEBODY ELSE.

>> MR. CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU WEIGH IN ON THAT FOR US?

>> YES, I CAN. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN NEGOTIATE.

WE CAN TAKE THINGS OUT.

I CAN WORK WITH YOUR COUNSEL ON ANYTHING, AND WE CERTAINLY COULD CLEAN THAT UP IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I THINK THE WAY HE'S DESCRIBED IT IS ACCURATE.

THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

IT'S JUST A WINDOW TO BRING THEM BACK, IF WE DECIDE TO DO THE PROJECT.

>> DOES THAT LANGUAGE AS IT EXISTS MAKE YOU NERVOUS?

>> IT DOES NOT.

>> OKAY.

>> IT DOESN'T LIMIT.

>> IT DOESN'T MAKE ME NERVOUS, EITHER.

>> THE ABILITY TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT IF YOU GUYS SAY, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS PROJECT.

>> THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR, IN MY VIEW.

>> OKAY.

>> YEAH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION OF WE TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT, BUT WE HAVE TERMINATED THE IDEA TO MOVE FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

BOTTOM LINE, ABLE TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT WITH YOUR FIRM, AND STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAVE YOUR PROPRIETARY OWNERSHIP ON IT, CORRECT?

>> THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.

>> QUICKLY, TO GO TO YOUR SCHEDULE OF VALUES, I'VE GOT A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS HERE.

IF I CAN GET THERE. [NOISE] I SKIPPED IT.

CURRENTLY, ARE YOU INVOLVED IN ANY LAWSUITS OR ANYTHING AGAINST YOUR FIRM?

>> NO.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN DISMISSED FROM ANY PROJECTS?

>> NO.

>> CAN YOU OR ANDREW HELP ME UNDERSTAND IN HOW THIS IS FUNDED IN HOT TAX.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE AT THE STATE LEVEL TO OUR HOT TAX MAXIMUM? AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT WE HAVE SPENT OUR HOT TAX AS IT STANDS, BUT YET WE'RE LOOKING TO FUND AT LEAST THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY THROUGH HOT TAX?

>> THIS IS A DIFFERENT MEANING THAT IS GOING TO BE FUNDED BY HOT TAX THAT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED, NOT INCREASING THE RATE.

SO IT'S ALL WITHIN THE EXISTING PERCENTAGE THAT WE ALREADY COLLECT.

IT'S JUST FROM FUND RESERVES OF CURRENT BALANCE.

>> THE REASON WE HAVE MORE IS BECAUSE HOTEL INDUSTRY.

>> PERFORMED WELL.

YES. THEY'VE SOLD MORE ROOMS THAN WE EXPECTED THEM TO.

SO WE'VE COLLECTED MORE TAX THAN WE EXPECTED TO COLLECT, BUT THE RATE HAS BEEN THE SAME; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. YES. THE RATE'S THE SAME, JUST COLLECTIONS ARE IMPROVED,

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SO NOT AN INCREASE IN THE PERCENTAGE OR WHAT ROOMS ARE CHARGED, JUST OVERALL COLLECTIONS.

WE HAVE THE DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT FROM EXISTING COLLECTION.

>> NOTHING AT THIS TIME AT THE STATE HAS INCREASED THE HOT TAX MAXIMUM?

>> NO, SIR.

>> WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT THROUGH EXCESS REVENUES FROM THE CURRENT YEAR IN HOT TAX, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT?

>> CORRECT, AND GOING INTO NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT WILL BE BETWEEN TWO FISCAL YEARS? YES.

>> THAT'S HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 494?

>> YES. BUT THEN AS FAR AS PLANNING, AND HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE PLAN, AND THE STRATEGY TO PAY FOR THIS, THAT ALL WILL BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

[BACKGROUND] YES, THE FUTURE PROJECT.

>> [INAUDIBLE] 45. FUTURE PROJECT. MAJOR PROJECT PAID FOR THROUGH FUNDING STRATEGIES THAT ARE DEVELOPED [OVERLAPPING]

>> YES. THOSE STRATEGIES COULD CONSIDER 20 DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY AND PAY FOR IT, BUT THIS IS JUST PAYING FOR THEIR SERVICES OUT OF EXISTING RESOURCES.

>> LAURA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT?

>> YES. I JUST CHECKED AND ON OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX COLLECTIONS THIS FISCAL YEAR THROUGH THE END OF MAY, WE ARE $1.5 MILLION OVER BUDGET.

WE BUDGETED VERY CONSERVATIVELY.

THAT'S OVER 51 PERCENT OVER OUR BUDGET IN THE CURRENT YEAR.

WE HAD NOT EARMARKED THOSE DOLLARS FOR ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET SO WE COULD PULL FROM THAT MONEY TO HELP PAY FOR THIS CONTRACT.

WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT HOT COLLECTIONS HAVE BEEN STRONG.

THEY'RE VERY STRONG.

>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE WOULD NOT INTENTIONALLY BUDGET THAT CONSERVATIVELY.

BEAR IN MIND AT THE TIME THAT WE PUT THIS BUDGET TOGETHER WHEN WE WERE IN THE VERY HOTTEST PART OF CORONAVIRUS LAST JULY, AUGUST, SO WE DID NOT KNOW HOW FAST HOT WOULD RECOVER. HOW FAST HOTEL OCCUPANCY.

>> WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN.

WE DEFINITELY THOUGHT IT WOULD RECOVER, BUT WE DID NOT EXPECT IT TO RECOVER AS QUICKLY OR AS STRONG AS IT HAS.

THAT'S WHY THIS THIS MONEY EXISTS.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE UNDERSHOT REVENUES THAT DRAMATICALLY.

WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT A NUMBER OUT THERE THAT WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT WE CAN HIT, BUT THIS HAPPENED DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED, I THINK FOR UNDERSTANDABLE REASONS.

>> JUST DESCRIBE TO ME BRIEFLY AND I SHOULD KNOW THIS.

HOT TAX IS NOT A REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW FOR THE FUNDING OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

[NOISE] WE'RE LIMITED WITH TWO AND A HALF MORE YEARS FOR A BOND ON PROPERTY TAXES, CORRECT?

>> OR YOU'RE LIMITED IN DOING A CERTIFICATE OF [INAUDIBLE] OBLIGATION, BUT YOU COULD GO AND DO ANOTHER GO BOND.

[INAUDIBLE].

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO?

>> YES.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU COULD DO A GENERAL OBLIGATION.

>> YOU CAN TAKE IT BACK TO THE VOTERS ANYTIME.

EITHER THE SAME PROJECT, DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

YOU JUST COULDN'T DO A CO FOR THE SAME EXACT PROJECT.

>> OKAY

>> WELL, YOU COULD DO CO FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BOND COUNSEL IS GOING HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON.

WAS THE PROJECT CHANGED ENOUGH TO MAKE IT ELIGIBLE FOR CO INVESTMENT ON ANY FUTURE PROJECT IF IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PROJECT? THAT'S GETTING INTO THE MINUTIAE OF THE LAW.

WE COULD DO A GENERAL OBLIGATION, VOTER APPROVED DEBT ISSUANCE IMMEDIATELY, BUT BUT THIS WOULD TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, AND THEN TO DESIGN, AND GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, IF ANY, ADDITIONAL RESOURCES ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED FROM THE CITY.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF CAPITAL STACK, AND I'M GOING TO USE THEIR TERM THEIR MIX OF CAPITAL RESOURCES WHERE THERE'S PRIVATE SECTOR, PUBLIC SECTOR, ETC, TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE PROJECT.

>> IF YOU COULD TELL ME ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE YOUR DRAW SCHEDULE? HOW WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE PAYMENT.

>> FOR THIS.

>> FOR THIS PROJECT. ASSUMING WE [NOISE] SIGNED THE CONTRACT, WHAT WOULD BE THE [OVERLAPPING]

>> AS IT'S SHOWN ON THAT SCHEDULE.

THERE'S A JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.

THAT'S MY BEST ESTIMATES FOR NOW.

>> IF YOU GO TO EXHIBIT A, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON A COUPLE OF YOUR BREAKOUT ITEMS.

>> SURE.

>> AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY THAT IF YOU'LL LOOK DOWN UNDER SOFT COSTS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, DO WE HAVE $30,000 ALLOCATED THERE OR IS THAT OFF HEAD OPERATED TEXT [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO, THAT'S FOR ALL OF THOSE.

THERE'S ONLY $10,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.

>> YOU HAVE $10,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND THEN THE 30 IS COMPRISED OF WHAT STAKE?

>> THE 30 [OVERLAPPING] IS A CONTINGENCY.

SEE THIS AGREEMENT.

THE PDSA A CONTINGENCY IS 15 AND 15 EXPECTED FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS JUST IN CASE THERE'S ADDITIONAL GEO TECH WORK OR ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL WORK OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

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YOU DON'T PAY IT UNLESS IT'S BEEN.

>> GOT YOU. GOOD. WHERE WOULD YOU SPEND THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER MONEY ON THIS, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN PHASE GOES.

>> WELL, WE TYPICALLY HAVE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, SENIOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT FROM OUT SIDE, WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THE ARCHITECTS TO JUST MAKE SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING REALLY WORKS WITH WHAT WE KNOW WORKS.

IT'S $2500 A MONTH FOR EACH PIECE, FOR JUST FOR TWO MONTHS.

FOR SOMEBODY TO REALLY A SENIOR PERSON TO BE PUTTING THEIR EYES ON THIS FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, NOT THE CONTRACTOR, SOMEBODY LOOKING OVER THE CONTRACTOR.

>> OKAY. YEAH.

>> THIS WHOLE REPORT AND I DON'T KNOW THIS I HAD ASKED AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD ENOUGH TIME.

>> THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES BASED ON WHAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IF YOU HAVE THOSE ORAL REPORTS YOU DON'T SPEND THAT MONEY [NOISE].

>> IS A CONTRACT WRITTEN IN A WAY WHERE IF [NOISE] WE DON'T PAY THAT AMOUNT, IT'S NOT [BACKGROUND] LUMP SUM TOTAL BID.

>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.

SAY IT. ALL THESE THE COSTS LEGAL.

THE ARCHITECTURE FEES, MY TRAVEL COSTS, THE SOILS REPORTS, ENVIRONMENTAL, THOSE ARE ALL WHAT I'M ESTIMATING THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

IF YOU DON'T SPEND THAT, WE'RE NOT BILLING THAT [NOISE].

>> CAN I SAY IT THIS WAY? DO WE HAVE A COST-PLUS NOT TO EXCEED THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY?

>> YES.

>> IF WE DON'T SPEND THESE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE PROVIDE A SOIL REPORT, WE PROVIDE THE GEO TECH DATA, WHATEVER, THEN OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BE BILLED FOR THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM. THEN IF THE SOILS REPORT COST YOU $20,000 TO GET, THE CITY WOULDN'T BE BILLED ANY ADDITIONAL COST [NOISE].

OR DO WE HAVE A TRUE COST-PLUS AGREEMENT [NOISE] WITH YOU HERE?

>> I THINK WE'RE FINE WITH THE ESTIMATES THAT I HAVE.

I THINK I'M OKAY WITH STICKING WITH THAT IF WE HAD TO PICK UP SOMETHING.

>> IF I CAN ASK BRIAN, DO YOU READ THIS CONTRACT AS A COST-PLUS NOT TO EXCEED IN THE WAY THE SCHEDULE OF VALUES ARE LUMP SUMMED TOGETHER. IS THAT FINE?

>> YES.

>> I THINK THAT'S IT ON MY END.

>> GREAT.

>> QUESTIONS FROM THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE? HOWARD.

>> WHAT IF ANY OF YOU AND YOU SAY IF YOU'RE HERE FOR FIRST THREE HOURS IN THIS MEETING?

>> I WAS.

>> [LAUGHTER] WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

WHAT IF ANY INPUT WOULD YOU BE ASKING FOR FROM THE COMMUNITY?

>> I'D SAY INITIALLY IT'S GOING TO BE SOME OF THE USES OF THE CIVIC CENTER ITSELF.

I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CIVIC CENTER AND CONVENTION CENTER.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO WE WERE HERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAKE THE EXISTING CENTER COMPETITIVE AND FIGURING OUT HOW THAT WORKS WITH THE CIVIC NEEDS.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE BIG CONVERSATIONS WE'D WANT TO HAVE WITH THE CITY.

>> WOULD YOU BE ANY BODY FROM THE COUNCIL [OVERLAPPING].

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE WOULD BE PARTICIPATING OURSELVES SOMETHING YOU KNOW ABOUT A MEETING MONTHLY.

WHAT'S THAT MEETING ABOUT?

>> YEAH. I THINK THE CITY WILL ADDRESS WHO WANTS TO BE ON THAT PANEL.

>> THE MONTHLY IS BUILT IN IS A REGULAR UPDATE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY JUST IN GENERAL, BUT I KNOW COUNCIL LAST MEETING TALKED ABOUT IF THIS CONTRACT IS APPROVED, FORMULATING A CITIZENS COUNCIL COMMITTEE TO HELP WORK ON THIS PROJECT.

I THINK THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.

>> ON ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S MOVING FARTHER ALONG THAN THIS.

WE HAVE WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH CITY MANAGER AND THERE'S A COUNCILMAN ON THAT CALL EVERY WEEK.

WE'RE HAPPY TO BE VERY OPEN.

WE'RE TRANSPARENT [BACKGROUND].

>> ANY FOLLOW-UPS.

>> WITH HOWARD, DO WE STILL HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HAVE A COUNCIL APPOINTED COMMITTEE FROM CITIZENS? I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF US WOULD SIT ON IT.

WE COULD, I GUESS, BUT WE WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY AND WE WOULD FORMULATE A NEW CITIZEN COMMITTEE THAT WOULD HELP IN OVERSIGHT AND WALKING THROUGH THIS, DOING SOME LEGWORK FOR YOU.

IS THAT STILL ON THE TABLE?

>> I THINK IT'S STILL ON THE TABLE.

>> WE WOULDN'T WANT TO USE EXISTING COMMITTEE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN [NOISE] TO REAPPOINT AND WE DO HAVE A CITIZENS COMMITTEE NOW.

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>> I THINK THERE WOULD BE VALUE IN OFFERING THOSE FOLKS TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.

IF COAL FEELS LIKE HE WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY, THEN WE COULD ALLOW HIM THAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> I DO AGREE THAT SOME OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS ARE ALREADY UP TO SPEED.

IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK AND THEY WANT TO.

IT'S NOT LIMITED TO FIVE.

WE COULD ALLOW THEM TO REMAIN.

THEN IF ANYBODY WANTED TO DO APPOINT ONE PERSON AS LONG AS IT WOULDN'T DISPUTE IT, THEN I WOULD LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO.

>> COAL, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE?

>> SURE WILL.

>> BE PREPARED WITH THAT.

MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING?

>> I WILL.

I'LL OPEN THAT UP TO YOU GUYS AS WELL.

YOU ALL WERE PART OF THE PROCESS THAT SELECTED THAT FIRST COMMITTEE.

BUT IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY YOU WANTED TO BRING ON BOARD, THEN BRING YOUR LIST AND WE CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT.

>> WHAT COMMITTEE WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>> THE CITIZENS CIVIC CENTER PROPOSAL.

[BACKGROUND] IT WAS.

MARK CUZ, ROD SCHROEDER, DAVID LOVEJOY, JIM [INAUDIBLE] AND JULIE SIMS.

>> OKAY.

>> THOSE WERE THE FIVE.

>> I'M HAPPY WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS IF THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

THEN COUNCIL MEMBER COAL COULD ADD A MEMBER TO THE COMMITTEE. I'M GOOD.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STEVE? I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION IT MAY GENERATE, BUT STEVE, YOU'VE GOT A FIGHTING CHANCE.

YOU WALK OUT RIGHT NOW.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU CATCH THAT PLANE.

>> I'M OKAY.

>> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANDREW? GOOD QUESTIONS. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LAWSUITS, AND DID YOU HEAR SOMETHING ON THE STREET OR YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT MADE YOU ASK THAT?

>> NO. [NOISE] I WAS ON THE SAME EMAIL WITH AN INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY CONTACTED ME AND JUST SAID [NOISE] THAT THE FIRM HAD BEEN DISMISSED.

BEING A CONTRACTOR I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT I HAVE DONE MY VERY BEST AND THE PROJECT DIDN'T GO.

THAT CANNOT BE AT ANY REASON FOR MY LACK OF DOING A GOOD JOB, OR FOR YOUR FIRM HAVE ANY ISSUES.

BUT I DO THINK IN HIRING A FIRM FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF WE DIDN'T AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION OF ARE YOU CURRENTLY IN ANY LAWSUITS? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO HIRE YOU.

>> SURE.

>> I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT I KNOW IF I WAS BIDDING ON A LARGE PROJECT LIKE THIS I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY BE EXPECTED TO ANSWER THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY, WE WERE NOT DISMISSED FROM IRVING.

WE DID NOT DO A PROJECT IN BOWMAN, AND YOU'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN LUBBOCK WE KNOW THAT THE THREE PROJECTS WE'RE DOING HAVE GONE GREAT.

>> I WONDERED WHERE THAT CAME FROM, IT SOUNDED LIKE A REALLY SPECIFIC QUESTION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS GENERATED BY AN EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM SOMEBODY.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING MORE-

>> THE DISMISSAL WAS.

>> GOOD, JUST THANKS FOR GIVING MORE CONTEXT TO THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? I'M SORRY, COLE DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS, I JUST CUT YOU OFF ON THERE.

>> NO, MAM.

>> THEN I THINK WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS?

>> YES, MAYOR, WE DO. I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT AND OTHER NECESSARY DOCUMENTS FOR A PRE-DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH GARFIELD PUBLIC/PRIVATE LLC FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE AMARILLO CIVIC CENTER COMPLEX NOT TO EXCEED $494,200.

>> I SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER POWELL, AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER TO APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH GARFIELD PUBLIC/PRIVATE, IS LCC OR LLC?

>> LLC.

>> THAT'S A TYPO WE NEED TO JUST-

>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS WRONG. [LAUGHTER].

>> I WAS THINKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN LCC IS BUT MAYBE.

>> THAT'S A NEW DEAL.

[BACKGROUND]

>> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

ANY QUESTIONS, OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT MOTION?

>> AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE IN AN EXPLORATORY PHASE.

WANTING TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO PAY FOR IT? NOT JUST LANDING ON THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT I SEE AS A FOCUS OF THIS NEXT STEP.

BUT ANY OTHER THOUGHTS BEFORE WE CALL THE QUESTION?

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> YEAH, WE GOT A SECOND. EDDY WAS A SECOND.

I'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE. THANK YOU, STEVE.

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>> THANK YOU.

>> DON'T SPEED.

>> GOOD LUCK.

>> DON'T SPEED. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] THE LAST ITEM

[3.C. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]

AS YOU ALL KNOW WE DO BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS IN NOVEMBER, BUT INEVITABLY WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO MOVE, OR [NOISE] POSITIONS OPEN UP SO WE'RE DOING A MID-YEAR CATCH-UP TO FILL SOME PLACES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED.

YOU'LL EACH RECEIVED A PACKET THAT HAD THOSE OPEN PLACES AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT HAD APPLIED FOR SERVING IN THOSE POSITIONS.

AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'LL DON'T MIND I GOT SUCH A BIG PILE OF PAPERWORK UP HERE. FOUND IT.

WE'LL START ONE WITH THE FIRST TWO POSITIONS ARE COUNCIL FILLED POSITIONS, AND THE FIRST ONE IS AUDIT COMMITTEE.

EDDY HAS SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE FOR AWHILE, IT'S A TWO PERSON COMMITTEE AND ELAINE HAD SERVED THERE ALSO.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR MAYOR PRO TEM GO INTO THAT POSITION.

JUST CREATING SOME EXPERIENCE THERE IN THAT MAYOR PRO TEM POSITION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING, BUT I WANTED TO JUST START OUT WITH THAT IDEA.

>> I'M FINE WITH THAT.

>> I'M FINE WITH IT TOO, SHE'LL DO IT.

>> WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY WE SHOULD ASK HER FIRST IF SHE WOULD BE WILLING.

>> YES, I ACCEPT.

>> I THINK WE JUST MOVE A VOTE [LAUGHTER].

>> I ACCEPT TO DO THIS, [LAUGHTER] WHY COUNCIL MEMBER?

>> STANLEY, TO MAKE THE MOTION [LAUGHTER].

>> DO NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> COLE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT PLACE 2, FREDA POWELL WOULD SERVE AS THE AUDIT COMMITTEE VACANCY.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> THAT'S IT. WE'VE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER STANLEY, AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

>> YOU DO REALIZE HOW RARE THAT IS COLE?

>> I DID MAKE A MOTION, THAT'S MY FIRST MOTION. [LAUGHTER].

>> BEVERLY MADE ONE OR TWO MOTIONS AT THE TIME.

[LAUGHTER]

>> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS A COMMITTEE THAT WORKS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROGRAM.

AGAIN, THAT'S A POSITION THAT ELAINE HAYS HAD FILLED, AND SHE AND FREDA BOTH SERVED ON THAT BOARD.

WHEN WE FIRST STARTED SERVING TOGETHER WE APPOINTED A FEW SUB-COMMITTEES BEFORE I REALIZED THAT IT CREATES A COMMUNICATIONS PICKLE IF THE MAYOR'S NOT PART OF THE SUB-COMMITTEE.

BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY FIVE OF US, AND AS FAR AS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THOSE SUB-COMMITTEE MEMBERS ABOUT WHETHER AN ITEM IS READY TO COME ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA, OR JUST GETTING AN UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS ARE SO THAT I HAVE VISIBILITY ON WHEN IT MIGHT COME ON IN AGENDA.

I THEN GET BOXED OUT BECAUSE I CAN'T TALK TO THEM UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THEY'VE ALREADY TALKED TO EACH OTHER ABOUT IT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, AUDIT COMMITTEE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S ON A SET TIME-FRAME, AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND GIVE A REPORT TO COUNCIL.

NEIGHBORHOOD OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS MORE DYNAMIC AND I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING THAT VISIBILITY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE WHEN IT WAS ELAINE AND FREDA SERVING ON THERE TOGETHER.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT COUNCIL?

>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> YEAH, I KNOW.

>> DO WE HAVE MOTION ON THAT THEN?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPOINT YOU TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO FILL THE ONE VACANCY THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNTY MAYOR PRO TEM PAL, AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? DIFFERENT OPINIONS? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES WITH THE 5-0 VOTE.

GERRARD, ON OUR LIST HERE, I'M NOT SEEING THE CVB.

>> CVB IS [OVERLAPPING].

>> THERE IT IS AT THE BOTTOM. OKAY. GOT IT.

SORRY. YEAH, I WAS CHECKING ALL MY BLOCKS ON AND [LAUGHTER] I WAS LIKE THIS WHOLE ROW OF CVB FOLKS THAT HAVE MADE IT FOR THE WHOLE MEETING.

>> THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY ON THIS ONE [LAUGHTER].

>> NOT ON THE AGENDA.

>>OKAY. I'M SORRY FOR THAT.

EVERYBODY'S HEART SKIPPED A BIT.

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CAN WE DO THAT? ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? THAT WAS ALSO A POSITION THAT ELAINE WAS SERVING IN.

THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES FOR THIS BOARD AND ONE IS A COUNCIL MEMBER POSITION, AND THEN ANOTHER IS JUST STRAIGHT UP.

CASHIN, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

AS IN FACT, CASHIN, YOU'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM? [NOISE] IT'S YOUR FIRST CHANCE TO ADDRESS US WITH THE NEW PLACE ONE?

>>YES. IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, WHENEVER WE STRUCTURED THE BOARD, WE HAVE SEATS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO HOTELS, ATTRACTIONS, AND THEN CITIZENS ALONG WITH THE COUNCIL SEAT.

SADLY, DIANNE BAKER PASSED AWAY AND LOST A GREAT BIT OF EXPERTISE IN THAT ROLE.

WE ARE TRYING TO REPLACE THE CITIZEN, THE OPEN CITIZENS SEAT.

REALLY WE WERE THOUGHTFUL IN WHO WE SUGGESTED AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD TO REALLY BRING IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP US.

WE FEEL WE'RE TAKING LEAPS AND BOUNDS FORWARD IN THIS LAST YEAR AND REALLY GETTING THROUGH A LOT VERY QUICKLY WITH A VERY PROACTIVE BOARDS SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST COCOA DUCKWORTH.

SHE BRINGS IN A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO STAFF TRAINING, STRATEGIC PLANNING, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW.

SHE HAS SET ON MANY, MANY BOARDS OVER THE YEARS, SO HAS SOME NON-PROFIT UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUCTURE AND I THINK WILL HELP GUIDE US OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> JUST THIS POSITION, CASHIN, IS ONE THAT IS AN OPEN?

>> CITIZENS.

>> NOT AN ATTRACTION POSITION, NOT A HOTEL POSITION, SO IT'S OPEN TO ANY CITIZEN?

>> YES.

>> WHO DOES OR DOESN'T HAVE HOSPITALITY OR ENTERTAINMENT EXPERIENCE?

>> IN OUR THOUGHTS, PUTTING THESE THREE SEATS ASIDE FOR CITIZEN WAS TO BRING IN KEY FACTORS AS WE MIGHT FIND WEAKNESSES THROUGH THE YEARS.

WHETHER THAT BE WE HAVE AN AUDITOR, A LAWYER, LIKE STARTING AS A NEW ORGANIZATION AND DELIVER BRINGS TO THE TABLE NON-PROFIT, MANY, MANY YEARS OF NON-PROFIT IN GRANT WRITING EXPERTISE.

THEN WE'VE GOT A LAWYER JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE WERE MOVING THROUGH THINGS, IF WE REALLY STARTED GETTING SIDEWAYS, THAT WE HAD SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD TO CALL US OUT ON THAT.

DIANE, OF COURSE, HAD MANY DECADES OF CVB EXPERIENCE ACTUALLY.

SO WITH HER PASSING, WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FILL THAT HOLE WITHIN ANYBODY HERE IN TOWN.

BUT COCOA DEFINITELY BRING SOME STRATEGIC I GUESS, A PASSION FOR BEING STRATEGIC IN YOUR THINKING WITH HER AND WE'RE ON THAT TRACK AND WE'D LIKE TO STAY ON THAT TRACK.

WE THINK SHE SPEAKS TO OUR MOVEMENT RIGHT NOW.

>> WHO'S WITH YOU TODAY?

>> TODAY THIS IS OUR ENTIRE STAFF AS OF RIGHT NOW.

[LAUGHTER] TODAY WE HAVE STEPHANIE ANDREWS, CLIENT SERVICES, DIRECTOR OF SALES, AMY TARR.

WE HAVE MARY RAMIREZ, WHO IS OUR EXECUTIVE ADMIN.

HOPE STOKES, DIRECTOR OF MARKETING AND BREALEY HAND, WHO ARE, I'M SORRY, BUT SHE'S RECENTLY MARRIED, PARK TOURISM MANAGER.

>> WONDERFUL. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE AS A TEAM.

YOU ALL REALLY HAVE DONE SO MUCH IN THE LAST 10 MONTHS.

>> IT THE FIRST COMING IN.

ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TOGETHER IN A COUNCIL MEETING, SO WELL, WE ARE EXCITED TO COME SIT WITH YOU GUYS TODAY.

>> WELCOME BACK. HOWARD?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTIONING QUESTIONS FOR CASHIN? MAKE A MOTION.

>> I MOVE THAT FREDA PAU, [INAUDIBLE] AND COCOA DARKHORSE.

>> [INAUDIBLE] COCOA [LAUGHTER].

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR FREDA AND COCOA.

WE HADN'T DONE ANY DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S NEW AND MIGHT NEED A JOB?

>> YES. I'M WILLING TO SERVE ON THIS AND I KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE FILLED BY A COUNSEL.

BUT I DON'T KNOW.

HONESTLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION IN THE WAY OF LIKE, FREDA MAY BE BETTER QUALIFIED TO DO IT AND BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU NEED.

IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE, LET US KNOW NOT ASKING YOU PICK BETWEEN US, BUT THEN [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'LL GIVE YOU TWO VERY STRONG ANSWERS ON THAT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AND THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN A BIG WAY.

WE LIKE HOWARD AND I WORKED TOGETHER VERY CLOSELY ON TOURISM PROJECTS.

WE KNOW THAT HE HAS A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF THE OFFICE.

GENDER, OF COURSE, HAS A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF THE OFFICE.

FREDA IN A LOT OF WAYS, BRINGS SOME DIVERSITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS, TO US.

WE HAVE A HARD TIME IN COMMUNICATING IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN TO

[04:10:04]

WE THINK THAT SHE COULD HELP WITH THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD REALLY EXPAND OUR STORY TO THE VISITOR.

THAT'S WHY WE LANDED ON THAT.

BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD NOT MIND YOU SERVING WITH US.

I ALWAYS LOOK AT AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE, I GUESS ON WHAT WE DO, ALWAYS HELPS WITH OUR LOCAL BRANDING AND AMBASSADORS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE HAD DISCUSSED AND LEANED TOWARDS FREDA.

>> IF I CAN, I'M GOING TO PASS THE BUCK AND FREDA, IF YOU WANT TO SERVE ON THIS AND YOU HAVE THE TIME AND YOU'RE INTERESTED, THEN I MAY SUPPORT THAT AND I WILL LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS TO PLUG IN AND MAYBE FILL IN ANOTHER GAP.

IF YOU FEEL THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION YOU NEED TO GO, THEN I WILL SERVE.

>> I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN SIX MONTHS.

WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP AND DO ALL THE BOARDS AGAIN.

YOUR FIREHOSE MIGHT NOT BE AS FULL AS IT HAS [LAUGHTER].

MAYBE THAT IS A GOOD TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ON LGC MAYBE YOU'D BE WILLING TO GIVE UP AND ONE OF YOU ROLL-OFF LGC AND HAND THAT POSITION OFF.

LET'S THINK TOWARD ANYTHING WE WANT TO SHIFT IN NOVEMBER. HOW DOES THAT SOUND?

>> GOOD.

>> YEAH. OKAY.

>> YOU'RE GOOD?

>> I'M GOOD.

>> FREDA, ARE YOU WILLING?

>> YES.

>> OKAY. BACK TO A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH FOR MISS DUCKWORTH AND MARRIAGE MAYOR PRO TEM PAO.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION?

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, STANLEY, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. CASHIN, YOU HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS.

>> WELL, THANK YOU. I WILL SAY HOWARD USED TO COME TO THE BOARD WHENEVER ELAINE WAS ON, SO YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO ATTEND THOSE BOARD MEETINGS IF YOU'D LIKE.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO MORE THAN TWO IN THE ROOM.

BUT WE CAN ALSO GET PLUGGED IN WITH THE HOTELIERS AND THE ATTRACTIONS AND PARTNERS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEETINGS AND WAYS THAT WE INTERACT WITH THEM.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET TO KNOW THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT.

>> YEAH. THAT CAN ALSO BE POSTED.

IF ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD COME [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION.

>> COME LOOK AT THE STAR REPORT.

WE'RE TAKING NAMES RIGHT NOW [LAUGHTER].

>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD JUST PUT ON THE CITY MANAGERS RADAR TO POSSIBLY PUT ON OUR CITY SECRETARIES RADAR, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT COLE IS GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN THOSE MEETINGS ARE HAPPENING ANYTIME THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE MEETING.

WHETHER THAT'S A ONCE A MONTH EMAIL THAT SAYS, "UPCOMING BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS." I THINK WE'VE SETTLED INTO SOME COMMUNICATION CHANNELS, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE BAD FOR US TO ALL BE GETTING THAT EMAIL.

BUT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY GIVE COLE SOME VISIBILITY ON MEETINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT MONTH.

THEN COLE, SUPER-IMPORTANT TO CALL JARED AND SAY, "I WANT TO COME TO THIS ONE" SO THAT HE CAN EITHER GET SOMETHING POSTED AS FAR AS UNNOTICED OR JUST MAKE SURE ONLY TWO OF US SHOW UP.

>> YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

>> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT, CASHIN.

>> MAYOR, WHAT STAFF HAS PREVIOUSLY DONE IS ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT OCCUR, WHAT IS IT? DJ STEPHENS WHO ARE NETWORKING MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY JUST POST THEM ON THE WEBSITE AND THEY DO LGC AND ALL OF THOSE TWO.

>> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. THEY ARE ON THE WEBSITE.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT POINT.

>> JUST TO COUNTER SO THAT MAYBE WE DON'T GET IN THE HABIT OF GETTING AN E-MAIL OR GO INTO THE WEBSITE.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT'S TRUE THERE ON THE CITY'S CALENDAR. ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, CASHIN.

THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING. ENJOY YOUR EVENING.

>> OKAY. LET'S JUMP BACK UP AND DO THE LGC.

WE'VE GOT ONE VACANCY ON THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION.

WE'LL JUST START BY TAKING SUGGESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR OF PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO NOMINATE.

I THOUGHT JENNIFER GALLARDO MIGHT BE SOMEONE WHO WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BRING SOME DIVERSITY AND FEMALENESS UNDER THAT BOARD.

>> OH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> THAT'S A GREAT CHOICE.

>> DO YOU KNOW, JENNIFER COLE?

>> I DON'T THINK I DO. I'D LIKE TO GET TO KNOW HER.

>> YEAH, WE NEED TO GET THAT INTRODUCTION.

>> WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PLACE JENNIFER GALLARDO ON THE LGC.

>> I SECOND.

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>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION BY DR. SAUER, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH TO APPOINT JENNIFER GALLARDO.

I PROBABLY NEED TO REACH OUT TO HER. I DID NOT DO THAT.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SEND HER A TEXT AND SAY CONGRATULATIONS.

>> CONGRATS, YOU'RE ON.

[LAUGHTER]

>> YEAH. OKAY, SO LET'S-

>> I'D BE SURPRISED IF SHE DIDN'T.

>> I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED ALSO, BUT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

ONCE SHE ACCEPTS THAT NOMINATION, THEN LGC WILL HAVE NEW BOARD MEMBER.

PARKS AND REC HAS TWO VACANCIES, THREE OR-

>> IF I COULD INTERRUPT, I'M SORRY.

>> YES.

>> MICHAEL LET ME KNOW THAT THERE WERE ACTUALLY THREE VACANCIES TODAY, SO THAT IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

THE THIRD PLACE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE THAT I SEND OUT TO YOU.

>> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

SO THERE ARE THREE VACANCIES THERE.

EDDY, ARE YOU CURRENTLY ON THAT BOARD?

>> NO, THAT'S THE ONE I ASKED FOR.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER POSITION.

WAS ELAINE PREVIOUSLY ON THAT BOARD?

>> YES.

>> REALLY, WE HAVE FOUR POSITIONS.

[LAUGHTER] TOM, COME TALK TO US.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> I THINK THE THREE-

>> THREE INCLUDES THE COUNCIL. OKAY.

>> WE HAVE THREE TOTAL VACANCIES.

ONE WAS COUNCIL MEMBER HAYES.

ONE WAS A MEMBER THAT MOVED AWAY, AND THEN THE THIRD WAS AN APPOINTEE THAT NEVER ACCEPTED THE ROLE, SO WE HAVE THREE CURRENT VACANCIES.

>> OKAY. GREAT.

>> TWO FOR CITIZENS, ONE FOR COUNCIL.

>> TWO FOR CITIZENS, ONE FOR COUNCIL.

I HAVE HEARD EDDY EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO WORK ON THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT EDDY TO THE BOARD.

>> OKAY.

>> I SECOND.

>> SECOND.

>> OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AND SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM POWELL TO APPOINT COUNCIL MEMBER SAUER TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

ANY QUESTIONS, FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY ONE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES WITH A 5-0 VOTE.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO OTHERS, CITIZEN POSITIONS FOR THAT BOARD.

>> I NOMINATE JOHN FORBES.

I KNOW JOHN. HE'S A FINE YOUNG MAN.

THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GET HIM INVOLVED IN THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY.

I THINK HE'D MAKE A GREAT ADDITION TO THAT BOARD.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION BY DR. SAUER, AND A SECOND FROM HOWARD SMITH WITH REGARD TO JOHN FORBES AS MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

ANYTHING FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE, IN REGARD TO JOHN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION FOR JOHN FORBES, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED?

>> WHEN I READ HIS RESUME, HE IS THE PHILLY WITH, I BELIEVE, AMARILLO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT-

>> CANYON I THINK.

>> CANYON.

>> CANYON SCHOOL DISTRICT, YEAH.

>> I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE A JASON TILLARY TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

SOMEBODY THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW PRETTY WELL OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND SEE A LOT OF GOOD CHARACTER AND A LOT OF GOOD WERE WITH ALL WITH HIM.

HE HAS A HEART FOR PARKS AND REC.

IN THE DISCUSSION, HE SAID HE WAS WILLING TO GO TO WORK.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

>> THAT'S PERFECT.